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Re: Introduction, and a question
Ervin, Glenn
I wouldn’t compare seatbelts to pulling a thumb drive. LOL Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 3:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for some people one day, ...
You are talking about probabilities. I don't believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work executing a few commands.
A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware for a long time and nothing happens to them. But for some people, one day,...
Gene
From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers. See this article.
And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways. In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7. XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Re: Accessible voice and text chat
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Well I’ve sent some feedback and I am still part of the Insiders. I do see some relevant feedback on their from time to time. It really does help.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:48:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat If you are on windows 7 you cannot use the feedback hub. I’ve seen some of the feedback some people leave. I actually vote it down as for me it is of no value, and some are trolls. I was a part of the insider program for a while and I saw a lot of feedback of people complaining just to complain.. But yeah take a look at some of the feedback that’s there and you will see what I mean. Some of it is, um, interesting and I dunno why it is not just removed. On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:42, Lino Morales wrote:
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Antony Stone
I totally agree.
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"Safely remove this device" was put there for a purpose. Microsoft is good at making things as easy for the user (and hiding the technical details) as possible - they wouldn't include something like this if they didn't know there was a good reason behind it. Antony.
On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:46:35, Gene wrote:
A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing happens to them, but for
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Re: Accessible voice and text chat
Tyler Wood
A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft playing catch up.
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These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing AI is simply a revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by apple. Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for your every day screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple pretty hard back in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing more accessibility into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty decent accessibility on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even though they released so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial tts in areas like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up, indeed. I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in accessibility these days? Considering we have quite a few folks with disabilities working for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a pretty level playing field.
On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
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If you are on windows 7 you cannot use the feedback hub. I’ve seen some of the feedback some people leave. I actually vote it down as for me it is of no value, and some are trolls. I was a part of the insider program for a while and I saw a lot of feedback of people complaining just to complain.. But yeah take a look at some of the feedback that’s there and you will see what I mean. Some of it is, um, interesting and I dunno why it is not just removed.
On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:42, Lino Morales wrote:
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Gene
In what version of Windows did you first see this
action?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question Gene, It is a default Windows action, I only use Microsoft’s anti-virus and malware (mrt) tools. I tried a malware one lately, Malware Bytes, but I removed it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You may get that message on your machine, for some reason. I have never gotten such a message on four machines. maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action. I haven't used either version.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it. Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label. That is one I escape out of all the time. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
I don't know what messages you are talking about. if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing. If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed. If it can't, you get a message that it can't. I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages. I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive. In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows. it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be. I explained in previous messages what I would do. I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly. But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement.
You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't? These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do. They are placed there for a reason.
You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware. I won't go into that here. But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance.
How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
James,
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Gene
A lot of people never wear seatbelts and nothing
happens to them, but for some people one day, ...
You are talking about probabilities. I don't
believe in taking meaningless risks, even if small, to save a bit of work
executing a few commands.
A lot of people don't use safely remove hardware
for a long time and nothing happens to them. But for some people, one
day,...
Gene
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers. See this article.
And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways. In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7. XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Re: Accessible voice and text chat
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Well hey like I said on another list. This is the new MS. Under Satia Nedella I think they are doing an awesome job. I can’t stress enough here and the other lists I’m on to use that good ole Feedback Hub. Yes kids MS does read your feedback.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Antony Stone <antony.stone@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:40:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that may not be saying much. Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms of accessibility. I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left behind in the networked world). Antony. On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote: > I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really object > to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially object to > it when the company has a much better record on accessibility than many > other companies. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > > I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going > > to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since > > about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we > > have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a > > ver good tool for my jobs and more. -- There's a good theatrical performance about puns on in the West End. It's a play on words. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Although they are getting better, they still have a long way to go Apple are much much better at accessibility especially with their own softwares then mocrosoft, at least for now. Mocrosoft have a lot of catching up, and they know it. I still say to the original poster, use skype, it is getting better, and it has a long way to go, but get used to it, or switch to zoom, which I would not use just for chatting purposes. It’s way too over powered for that.
On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:29, Gene wrote:
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Antony Stone
Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
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companies", but depending on which other companies you compare them with, that may not be saying much. Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop) computing market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done in terms of accessibility. I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but once they decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and Microsoft have simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment (rather like they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people had found out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick, they'd be left behind in the networked world). Antony.
On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:
I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really object --
There's a good theatrical performance about puns on in the West End. It's a play on words. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
I’ve not tried the speach player. Is that on the official add ons website if so I will give this A try and see how I myself like it. I love the 1core voices, but its’ good to try somethingn different in case the 1core decide to crash or something.
On 23 Jul 2018, at 13:36, James Bentley wrote:
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Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
All I have to say is Eloquence sucks along with ESPeak. If you are running WIN 8.x or 10 the on board MS One Core or SAPI 5 ones are great.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:36:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA What a coincidence that your email came through right now! I was going to download that right after checking a few emails.
I will post my opinion in a day or 2.
James B
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
I still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add on.
Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live. After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash. And, just use the original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a computer outside of my home. Gene, thank you for your input. I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I paid around $40,for lousy speech. Especially since I am so impressed with NVDA itself. As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to use Chrome. Cheers, James B From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA There is something else to consider. First, I may have misunderstood the request to take the sub ject off list. It might have referred to where people live. I often see people take topics of general interest off lists and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion. As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to use it with. I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA from a thumb drive. Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use the artifact. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence. I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this. On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote: Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best. I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy. James B From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product. On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote: Hi all, I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA. If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using? Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good? Thanks, James B
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Re: Eloquence or something as good for NVDA
James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
What a coincidence that your email came through right now! I was
going to download that right after checking a few emails.
I will post my opinion in a day or 2.
James B
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for
NVDA I
still think you might like the speech player in Espeak add
on. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Bentley" <bentleyj1952@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence or something as good for NVDA I haven’t heard from Richard yet but my impression was that he wanted to discuss East Texas and other things related to where we live. After reading your last post, I am pretty certain that I will just use Eloquence from Code Factory when I come up with the cash. And, just use the original NVDA voice on a thumb drive when I want to have speech on a computer outside of my home. Gene, thank you for your input. I sure wouldn’t have been impressed if I paid around $40,for lousy speech. Especially since I am so impressed with NVDA itself. As I learn more, I will probably be interested in what some of the NVDA add ons do but I have my plate full right now since I am also learning how to use Chrome. Cheers, James B From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA There is something else to consider. First, I may have misunderstood the request to take the sub ject off list. It might have referred to where people live. I often see people take topics of general interest off lists and I first thought the request referred to the Eloquence discussion. As far as the SAPI 5 versus the add on is concerned, I don't think you can use the SAPI 5 verxsion unless it is installed on the computer you want to use it with. I suspect, though you would have to check, that you can use the add with a portable version and that it would run with the rest of NVDA from a thumb drive. Perhaps, considering the problem of artifacts, you might want to have both versions, depending on where you are going to use the artifact. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 3:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Why do people want to take things off list that are of general interest. This is such a topic. There are demos of the Code Factory SAPI 5 Eloquence and of the add on, which has both Eloquence and another series of voices. The Eloquence in the add on, I don't recall who makes and distributes it, has lots of artifacts and is significantly inferior for that reason. All sorts of unwanted and annoying sounds occur. the other synthesizer included is fine, but not the Eloquence. I suggest trying either or both demos when deciding what you might want to use. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA Write me privately at richwels@... and I'll talk more about this. On 7/22/2018 1:48 PM, James Bentley wrote: Do you know if the Code Factory version is the best. I have heard that at least one of the 2 versions out there is glitchy. James B From: Richard Wells Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Elequence or something as good for NVDA James, they allow three installations of Eloquence if you are referring to the Code Factory product. On 7/22/2018 10:01 AM, James Bentley wrote: Hi all, I have questions about diffferent voices for NVDA. If I purchase Elequence for NVDA, do I have to pay around 40 dollars for each PC that I am using? Can the portible NVDA be set up with Elequence or something almost as good? Thanks, James B
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Re: Accessible voice and text chat
Gene
I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list
member. I really object to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and
I especially object to it when the company has a much better record on
accessibility than many other companies.
Gene
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On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time going > to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even since > about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and we > have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is today, a > ver good tool for my jobs and more. > > Blessings and happy Monday > Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website: > http://www.tffppodcast.com > For stuff we sell, mac training materials and tutorials go to > http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium > and for hosting options go to http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting > to subscribe to the feed click here: > http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp > And for the listen page go here: > http://www.tffppodcast.com/listen > > Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here: > http://www.tffppodcast.com/pod-pledge > For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, > phones and development can be discussed subscribe send a blank email to > androiddiscuss+subscribe@android-discuss.groups.io > and follow the prompts. > to visit the subgroups and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to > the main group as well) visit the following URL: > about-android.tffppodcast.com > > To subscribe to the skype english list go to > skypeenglish.tffppodcast.com and send a blank email to the subscribe > address listed there. > > On 23 Jul 2018, at 2:50, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > >> Its just that many distrust microsoft, and indeed the old Skype team >> as it has seemed for years now that its one step forward and two back >> on accessibility with this particular software, and people are losing >> patience with it I suspect. > > > >
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Re: Introduction, and a question
James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
Hi Joseph,
Thanks for summing this up. So, I was concerned about mostly
nothing.
I do think that I will stick with doing a forced removal of my USB flash
drive through safely remove hardware and media. But, its good to know that
it isn’t necessary to power down my computer. And, as I stated to another
lister, its good to know that I will not be damaging files on any public
computer.
I am, for the most part, new to portable applications on USB flash drives
but I am learning.
Joseph, I see you absolutely every where. Thanks for all that
you do.
James B
From:
Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question Hi, Actually, to sum this all up:
Hope this helps. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Ervin, Glenn
Gene, It is a default Windows action, I only use Microsoft’s anti-virus and malware (mrt) tools. I tried a malware one lately, Malware Bytes, but I removed it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
You may get that message on your machine, for some reason. I have never gotten such a message on four machines. maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a default action. I haven't used either version.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it. Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label. That is one I escape out of all the time. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
I don't know what messages you are talking about. if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing. If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed. If it can't, you get a message that it can't. I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages. I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive. In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows. it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be. I explained in previous messages what I would do. I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly. But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement.
You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't? These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do. They are placed there for a reason.
You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware. I won't go into that here. But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance.
How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
James,
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Gene
You may get that message on your machine, for some
reason. I have never gotten such a message on four machines.
maybe an antimalware program is offering to scan
it but it is not a default action in Windows unless Windows 8 and 10 have such a
default action. I haven't used either version.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question Whenever you plug in a drive, you get the message to scan it. Once you do scan it, it is good for a time, or unless you change the drive label. That is one I escape out of all the time. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
I don't know what messages you are talking about. if you use safely remove hardware, there is no canned message about scanning and removing. If the drive can safely be removed, you get a message that the drive can safely be removed. If it can't, you get a message that it can't. I haven't seen any reputable advisor, such as Kim Komando, advocate ignoring such messages. I've said that at times, it is alright to remove a drive if you get a not safe to remove message, such as in the case of when you run NVDA from a thumb drive. In a specific case like that, where you unload NVDA but you still can't remove the drive, it is because a file is still being used by Windows. it is not released by Windows for some reason and It won't be. I explained in previous messages what I would do. I see that Joseph Lee seems to give a much shorter waiting time, if I understand his message correctly. But usually, when a file is not being held in use by Windows for no reason, if you get a message that it is unsafe to remove a drive, it isn't and you should use safely remove hardware again to see if you get the safe to remove announcement.
You may get away with ignoring such messages and not using Safely Remove hardware most of the time but what about the time when you don't? These features aren't just placed in Windows because some programmer had nothing to do. They are placed there for a reason.
You can set parameters regarding external drives so that you never have to use Safely remove Hardware. I won't go into that here. But unless you know the parameters are set in that way, I wouldn't take the chance.
How do I know what Joe stranger or Joe friend or public library administrator did, if anything, regarding these settings? Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
James,
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Ervin, Glenn
All I can state is that I have been doing this all along, with no problems. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:38 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding computers. See this article.
And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in some ways. In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7. XP caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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Tyler Wood
I have yet to have many of the problems that plagued me in windows 7 through windows 8.1.
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The frustration at having windows not start was beyond infuriating. Windows 10 has fixed that for me, among tons of others. Skype 8 really isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It's a change that has been sorely needed in 2018 and it's no different than the panic from upgrading from windows xp to 7, and now to 10. 8 and 8.1 were a cobbled together mess that reminds me in great detail of Windows Millennium. People are just afraid of change. Tons of sighted people ran away from skype when it retained its classic look and moved over to discord and the like. Now skype is trying to follow this trend a few years late. Think skype is bad? Try using facebook, where changes seemingly come daily and absolutely 0 of them for the better of accessibility, especially on Mobile. Skype, for me, is still the clear winner of cross platform, simple, least internet used voice communication and until other companies step up to the plate for these things I'm sticking with it. And by step up to the plate, I mean mainstream that sighted and blind alike use.
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For me "trust" does mean "taking someone at their word", and if I feel I can't
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Re: Introduction, and a question
Gene
It isn't a good idea to assume things regarding
computers. See this article.
And note that, this article doesn't apply to XP in
some ways. In XP, the default is not the same as in Windows 7. XP
caches material by default, Windows 7 doesn't.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question Well, I know by checking the percentage when sending a file, and a minute of inactivity will be long enough for any process that is automatic. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
How do you know? Maybe you know in the case of a mechanical external hard drive if you hear it make sounds, and they have gotten increasingly quiet over the years, but there is no way to tell with a thumb drive, having no moving parts.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ervin, Glenn Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Windows always gives the canned message about removing a drive but I have never paid attention to that, I know when something is being written to it. Glenn
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
You are saying it will cause problems if you remove the drive while NVDA is running. I see no reason why problems should be encountered if you unload it first, as discussed in my previous message.
As I understood the question, the drive was not trying to be removed while NVDA was running. NVDA was unloaded, then safely remove hardware was attempted but it always shows the drive shouldn't be removed. This is because a file remains in use by Windows even if NVDA is removed. That doesn't mean any information is being sent to the drive except, perhaps, under the condition I specified.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Damien Garwood Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Introduction, and a question
Hi James,
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