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Re: ccleaner again!

 

I have not bothered with the registry cleaner for ages a lot of people says its not safe and so I don't bother using reg cleaners but yeah managing restore points is something I do a lot startup items, brousers to, and the general junk cleanup.

thats about all I use it for though.

I couldn't do without it though.

On 7/25/2018 9:58 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes but the big issue was that its one issue behind, at least, the current version. I have also turned off in the installed version the feedback and check for updates in options with little trouble but then I'm on 7.
I find the  start-up and the other tools very handy in ccleaner. Also it does seem to do a good job of stopping errors in adobe reader by cleaning up the registry. If a third party can do clean up  crap updates, one has to wonder why adobe are so slapdash with their official installers. Bah humbug is all I'll say!
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!


Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small, we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it installed at all.

All functions can run from it.







Re: Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons

 

Well to be honest, universal apps are the issue it needs to be installed for those but to be honest bar store, most of my stuff is desktop apps, or net brousing.

On 7/25/2018 9:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I have the beta an every day installed and the alpha as portable. Of course in windows 10 portable use is less useful than on windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons


Hello: I wanted to test some of my favorite add-ons against latest NVDA code commits. Is https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ where I need to go to get these? With recent changes as to where latest development happens, I wanted to make sure I was going to the right place to get it. I want to keep my daily use 18.2.1 installation intact, so I hoped to install the development code as a portable copy somewhere else on my hard drive. Any guidance is appreciated.






Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

 

I agree, my dad was trying to get some trip planners and a few bits of music and some update for his gps.

He clicked on what he thought were the right buttons.

But it didn't work, he loaded a lot of malware and I had to spend ages removing it.

When I went to update things he had clicked the right links but all the adds covered smaller download links almost impossible to see for a sightling at the end of the page.

I ofcause had no issue but yeah thats one thing about adds I don't care for.

Worse, on the net everyone uses add servers.

I think companies would be shot here if they just let a bot get their adds.

While some adds may be fine a lot of them go to a site and you don't know if its real or not, and also those can get hacked.

I was on a site that went that way and the owner didn't notice till I told him.

On 7/25/2018 9:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes there are too many badly designed bits of click bait that attempt to trick users into downloading the incorrect file for example. Its sharp practice and needs to be policed and stopped.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


I agree, if it was local content like coupons for my store or extras like that maybe I'd let it go maybe I'd make a decision.

I have had this happen, when walking on the street with family and friends, going to one place for lunch, seeing adds for another, and some cheaper fruit or something on the other side of the road and shifting over to that.

This doesn't happen on computers, if adds meant something real then maybe we would be more reseptive.




On 7/25/2018 1:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes its the same for all social media. What is really needed though in my view all over the web is some kind of accessible ad filter. IE if the ad is just going to muck up the accessibility of a site it should be banished to the bin and sooner or later such adverts will stop being made, hopefully. I do not think nvda should or could develop simply to read ofddball adverts inserted by third party servers at the whim of a bot.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


Dear Shaun & List:
Your ideal Skype client for blind users would be wonderful, however not permitting adverts prevents blind Skypes from seeing the activity that helps pay for Skype.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA

Its a pity MS killed skype kit.

What the blind need now is a client that uses the latest protocols for skype, it
should support, skype including MS accounts, Facebook accounts, no home
page, no adds, the standard message and contacts tab and the phone stuff
and nothing else.

Well groups, and video should we use it but that is it.




On 7/24/2018 7:13 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how
it’ll > all
shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and
for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Sociohack
AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA



I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an >
efficient way
to access websites like Facebook and twitter?
at present, there is no way I could just give a casual navigation
to > these
websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is
very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for
example, you do not wish to hear the day and the time and other minor
options in twitter while navigating from tweet to tweet in twitter.









.





Re: ccleaner again!

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Yes but the big issue was that its one issue behind, at least, the current version. I have also turned off in the installed version the feedback and check for updates in options with little trouble but then I'm on 7.
I find the start-up and the other tools very handy in ccleaner. Also it does seem to do a good job of stopping errors in adobe reader by cleaning up the registry. If a third party can do clean up crap updates, one has to wonder why adobe are so slapdash with their official installers. Bah humbug is all I'll say!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!


Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small, we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it installed at all.

All functions can run from it.




Re: ccleaner again!

 

As for the comment about the why didn't I do that before moments, been there done that.

Back then I used winzip.

I was always cracking it not because I wanted it for free but because the trial screen was just a dog of a thing to bother with.

Eventually 7zip went to ribbons, and the site I was using got hacked and well some new laws came in and I had to do a cleanout.

I found and am still using 7zip, its opensource and much faster.

If I knew before I wouldn't even go the winzip root.

On 7/25/2018 9:33 PM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
After reading the email below, I'd like to thank you, Shaun, for reminding us about the portable version of CCleaner. Thanks also for adding a link to the .ini file which goes with the portable version.
Since the Windows 7 laptop I'm using is 64-bit, I decided to try out the 64-bit CCleaner in the portable version, and it worked perfectly. As you say, no more Avast, and I never used monitoring in the installed pr'ogram anyway.
CCleaner portable does everything I need, so I plan to stick with it from now on. I admit this is one of those "I don't know why I didn't do this before" moments. Good to have the choice of installed or portable, though!
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: mardi 24 juillet 2018 21:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.








Re: Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons

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Yes I have the beta an every day installed and the alpha as portable. Of course in windows 10 portable use is less useful than on windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons


Hello: I wanted to test some of my favorite add-ons against latest NVDA code commits. Is https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ where I need to go to get these? With recent changes as to where latest development happens, I wanted to make sure I was going to the right place to get it. I want to keep my daily use 18.2.1 installation intact, so I hoped to install the development code as a portable copy somewhere else on my hard drive. Any guidance is appreciated.



Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

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Yes there are too many badly designed bits of click bait that attempt to trick users into downloading the incorrect file for example. Its sharp practice and needs to be policed and stopped.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


I agree, if it was local content like coupons for my store or extras like that maybe I'd let it go maybe I'd make a decision.

I have had this happen, when walking on the street with family and friends, going to one place for lunch, seeing adds for another, and some cheaper fruit or something on the other side of the road and shifting over to that.

This doesn't happen on computers, if adds meant something real then maybe we would be more reseptive.




On 7/25/2018 1:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes its the same for all social media. What is really needed though in my view all over the web is some kind of accessible ad filter. IE if the ad is just going to muck up the accessibility of a site it should be banished to the bin and sooner or later such adverts will stop being made, hopefully. I do not think nvda should or could develop simply to read ofddball adverts inserted by third party servers at the whim of a bot.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


Dear Shaun & List:
Your ideal Skype client for blind users would be wonderful, however not permitting adverts prevents blind Skypes from seeing the activity that helps pay for Skype.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA

Its a pity MS killed skype kit.

What the blind need now is a client that uses the latest protocols for skype, it
should support, skype including MS accounts, Facebook accounts, no home
page, no adds, the standard message and contacts tab and the phone stuff
and nothing else.

Well groups, and video should we use it but that is it.




On 7/24/2018 7:13 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how
it’ll > all
shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and
for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Sociohack
AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA



I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an >
efficient way
to access websites like Facebook and twitter?
at present, there is no way I could just give a casual navigation
to > these
websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is
very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for
example, you do not wish to hear the day and the time and other minor
options in twitter while navigating from tweet to tweet in twitter.









.


Re: ccleaner again!

 

The only thing you don't get in portable is settings in the registry and the desktop and start menu short cuts and the uac allow task.

In addition, you can edit the ini file and input your settings and skip the inaccessible configuration panel.

Its a bit round about, but you can also add the open and run comands to the recycle bin as always.

You can run 32 or 64 bit ccleaner if you want.

I have just updated the ccleaner settings to not include some extra monitering stuff as well as the excluding of ccleaner, piriform and avast cookies from deletion if you visit these sites.

So no tracking for avast.

A note of warning, there are enhancement inis for ccleaner out there.

Don't use them or only use what you need, a large ini file will cause ccleaner to run really slow if you get a big list only get what you need from that ini file.

You can also modify settings etc.

One thing that could be a concern for those that care is that anyone can read change etc your ini file.

But in addition for it being portable you can back it up to the cloud.

The trial offers are off by default to, this solution doesn't fix the inaccessible nature of the crappy ccleaner interface which is destined to continue to be utter crap for ever.

It however does allow the use of the reasonably stable non crappy core engine in a way we can interact though we will have to fiddle about with a file, keep that file backed up, but yeah if you need to you can.

You can even add removed rules back.

If you want to add rules back you can always run an older version of ccleaner and backup the settings to an ini file from options.

A word of warning though, if something is removed it usually means something is screwing up, it doesn't happen often but you may want to from time to time if something is changed, when you update the portable check the ini file in the portable to see what has changed if the release notes say it.

However most importantly only coppy the settings over from any ini either big enhancement list or new ccleaner you need it will save us a lot of headakes.

I have yet to figure out how to do a skip uac task for ccleaner exactly but if you really want it you can find it and put it in.

One thing I like with the portable is you are pritty much the boss of the program.

It can no longer not honor any settings and most importantly it won't install avast, chrome or other unwanted addware.

Lets hope the core continues to work, its all we need the interface can go to the bin, as long as we have the ini file about and as long as portable works then we can run ccleaner easily enough.

You may if you don't get my ini file, need to go through with a sightling to setup the ccleaner program portable how you like it but once your ccleaner is backed up and the ini is quite small usually then you should be done.

On 7/25/2018 9:33 PM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
After reading the email below, I'd like to thank you, Shaun, for reminding us about the portable version of CCleaner. Thanks also for adding a link to the .ini file which goes with the portable version.
Since the Windows 7 laptop I'm using is 64-bit, I decided to try out the 64-bit CCleaner in the portable version, and it worked perfectly. As you say, no more Avast, and I never used monitoring in the installed pr'ogram anyway.
CCleaner portable does everything I need, so I plan to stick with it from now on. I admit this is one of those "I don't know why I didn't do this before" moments. Good to have the choice of installed or portable, though!
Bye for now!
From Clare
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: mardi 24 juillet 2018 21:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.








Re: skype gripe Fix

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Of course as we all know no sooner do the companies fix this, than skype changes itg again. I am sorry but their constant meddling with a working bit of software made me lose my patience.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype gripe Fix


Dear Brian Tew & List:

NVDA and the Braille display cannot see the replies from your text chat
correspondents.

No problem.
Do you have a 400-minute demo copy of JAWS 2018, built 1803 available? If
so, great. See if JAWS works to find the whereabouts of the replies field.
No JAWS? Flag down the first sighted person that comes by, explain what you
are looking for and ask them to count the rows & columns from the
upper-left-hand edge of the screen to the elusive field and count how wide
it is.

Now the fun part: either convince the client to buy JAWS 2018 build 103, the
quick and expensive method, or figure out how to get NVDA to read the
replies field!

Hit the documentation for NVDA, it may be an easy macro or script to write,
or require the programming talent of a regiment of the United States Army
Corps. Of Engineers.
Alternatively, even JAWS may require scripting. Friend of mine, a blind
Court Reporter, lately teaching ESL as a volunteer, had a field JAWS would
not show on her Braille display. She got out the JAWS documentation, read
the sections on frames, scripts, macros and such and made JAWS read the
elusive field all by herself, I believe in one evening. You may also try
using Window Eyes, still available from VFO Group, however as it is no
longer being developed; it may not be a good choice.

Using one of these programs may let you find the blasted reply window!
Good luck and please do let this list know your success or failure, and if
success, briefly describe what you did to make NVDA read it and the Braille
Display it.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Tew via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] skype gripe

Hey yall,
using skype 7.4, windows 10 and NVDA on a desktop with speech and braille
Both.
I cannot see any messages from the other skypers.
They see reply, and me but I never see their messages.
I have tabbed and alt-tabbed through everything on there.
My status in online.
Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks.




Re: ccleaner again!

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
After reading the email below, I'd like to thank you, Shaun, for reminding us about the portable version of CCleaner. Thanks also for adding a link to the .ini file which goes with the portable version.
Since the Windows 7 laptop I'm using is 64-bit, I decided to try out the 64-bit CCleaner in the portable version, and it worked perfectly. As you say, no more Avast, and I never used monitoring in the installed pr'ogram anyway.
CCleaner portable does everything I need, so I plan to stick with it from now on. I admit this is one of those "I don't know why I didn't do this before" moments. Good to have the choice of installed or portable, though!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: mardi 24 juillet 2018 21:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.


Re: skype gripe Fix

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Brian Tew & List:

NVDA and the Braille display cannot see the replies from your text chat
correspondents.

No problem.
Do you have a 400-minute demo copy of JAWS 2018, built 1803 available? If
so, great. See if JAWS works to find the whereabouts of the replies field.
No JAWS? Flag down the first sighted person that comes by, explain what you
are looking for and ask them to count the rows & columns from the
upper-left-hand edge of the screen to the elusive field and count how wide
it is.

Now the fun part: either convince the client to buy JAWS 2018 build 103, the
quick and expensive method, or figure out how to get NVDA to read the
replies field!

Hit the documentation for NVDA, it may be an easy macro or script to write,
or require the programming talent of a regiment of the United States Army
Corps. Of Engineers.
Alternatively, even JAWS may require scripting. Friend of mine, a blind
Court Reporter, lately teaching ESL as a volunteer, had a field JAWS would
not show on her Braille display. She got out the JAWS documentation, read
the sections on frames, scripts, macros and such and made JAWS read the
elusive field all by herself, I believe in one evening. You may also try
using Window Eyes, still available from VFO Group, however as it is no
longer being developed; it may not be a good choice.

Using one of these programs may let you find the blasted reply window!
Good luck and please do let this list know your success or failure, and if
success, briefly describe what you did to make NVDA read it and the Braille
Display it.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Tew via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] skype gripe

Hey yall,
using skype 7.4, windows 10 and NVDA on a desktop with speech and braille
Both.
I cannot see any messages from the other skypers.
They see reply, and me but I never see their messages.
I have tabbed and alt-tabbed through everything on there.
My status in online.
Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks.



Re: making the menus in libre office talk

 

hello.
i tested many versions of libreoffice since 4.3 while nvda was running
and had no problem with reading menus, options and documents.

On 7/3/18, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
from memory, if you install lo without a screen reader running it will
not be accessible. if you install with screen reader running it
switches all the accessible stuff on things might have changed. this
was a few years ago when the Ia2 stuff was being ported over.

On 30/06/2018 21:10, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
Odd that it's just the menus. Is this a situation where Java RTE and
Access bridge are required to obtain access to the menus?

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 30 June 2018 18:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] making the menus in libre office talk

Hi, everyone,


I have a friend who just got a refurvished computer from Computers for
the Blind in Texas. She said they installed libre office on it but she
can't make the menus talk. Other than that, she said she can work with
the writer word processer and the spread sheet with no problem. Is there
a way to make the menus talk?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie











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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Glenn & List:

 

Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, however, not all, prescriptions.

 

However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug in your particular case.

 

Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the medicine did not dissolve the stones.

 

His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad candidate for surgery.

 

At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.

 

I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional open procedure.

 

One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending money.

 

Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, just USB ones.

 

The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and especially the r and d to design newer ones.

 

 

There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are almost custom-made, as is their programming.

 

When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, faster CPU and much more RAM.

Brian

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get off SSDI.

So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and scripting.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

Dear Brian & List:

 

I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a certified Jaws Scripter.

 

Perhaps not.

 

I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work would have to be completely redone.

 

I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell Foundation of San Francisco.

 

I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay and pay to support only a few employees.

Brian

 

It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the employer to be was misquoted for the job.

Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?

If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.  Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dohme

 

 


Bandwidth && network traffic

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Glenn & List:

 

True, few people think of data usage. Does AOL still charge based upon traffic sent + received? They used to and Genie may still.

 

Network bandwidth is no longer much of a concern with fiber for moving data. The Listserv program can have sub-lists, so everyone is not on one server, but a university or firm with a cluster of subscribers will get just one copy of a message, then send each subscriber their own copy to read/delete etc. This used to be necessary when the expensive modems were 1,200 BPS and 110 and 300 Baud were the speeds even CRT terminals ran at unless hard-wired to the computer they were connected to.

 

Friend of mine, an operations manager at Bell Canada one day said he found he could have the master control terminals talk to his switching machines at 9,600 Baud on an ordinary phone line. I told him I had been running 33,600 Baud on my home line for about three years, he listened to his engineers too much talking about the need for specially conditioned lines for data rates higher than 110 Baud. This almost floored the man!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

I am guilty of not trimming off older parts of a conversation, I certainly will try to pay more attention to this.

I did not ever consider data usage.

 

Glenn

 


rules for Most Lists

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Antony & List:

 

I have noticed that almost every list I have ever subscribed to has almost the exact rules as every other list I belong to. It is almost like they were from a large rubber stamp or cookie cutter.

 

The rules are usually:

No flaming

Keep the language civil, like grandma was reading your posts

Please spell check before sending

Your subject line should be highly descriptive of your message body

Ask the author of a message from another source if you may post it here

 

In addition, Often, the rules are listed in exactly the same order on many different lists.

 

I expect the rules for this list are similar to other lists, even ones on different platforms, such as Mailman, Freelists.org, Yahoo groups, etc.


Brian

 


skype gripe

Brian Tew
 

Hey yall,
using skype 7.4, windows 10 and nvda on a desktop with speech and braille both.
I cannot see any messages from the other skypers.
They see me and reply, but I never see their messages.
I have tabbed and alt-tabbed through everything on there.
My status in online.
Do you have any suggestions?
thanks.


Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

 

hello.
you can press f5 to activate navigator.
navigator is treeview and you can expand many elements and arrow down
and press enter to your desirable one.
for example: headings are accessible in this way.

On 7/16/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Not at the moment. I see several issues on the issue tracker about it, but
not seen much change recently.
I guess you would need to use any commands their office product had
natively. It also still has not had say all fixed.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability


Does Libre office support browse mode with NVDA? If not, then how do we
navigate heading to heading and annotation to annotation?
--
Regards,
Sociohack








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers

 

hello.
i came back after fourty days, because i did not have my laptop in
this periond of time available.
about synthesizer, variant and rate, i realy hate fast rate.
so, i wish that use iven3 with rate 30 without boost, pitch 51 and
inflection 75 and love it very much!
it pronunce all the words that i heard correctly, (except acronyms).
and i believe its very friendly, lovely and natural voice with the my
favorite configurations that i mentioned.

On 7/19/18, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
You miss the point though. You’re the only country that writes dates
numerically the opposite way to everyone else.



All the best


Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: 17 July 2018 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



We write it the way we say it.

If someone asks us the date we would say:

June 11

Or November 6.

Glenn



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



Actually, there are other problems with American English which makes me
stick with Eloquence for British English. Americans don’t know how to write
dates properly, they are the only country that do it upside down. So 6/11
is Sixth November in English and 11 June in American.



I actually quite like the British version of Eloquence and I am British.



There is no difference in intelligibility either.



All the best



Steve



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 July 2018 13:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



I also suspect that in the case of Eloquence, high speed intelligibility is
better, perhaps much better, when using American English instead of Brittish
English. I enjoy listening to real Brittish English. But the Brittish
English accent in Eloquence was obviously created by Americans who have no
idea how to properly reproduce a Brittish accent. It's revolting. Being
Americans, they properly reproduced the American accent.



The American accent is probably clearer at fast speeds no matter what accent
a person is used to because the Brittish accent degrades the speech itself,
it doesn't just change the accent.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 1:24 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tips for speed reading /listening with screen readers



I'm so used to E-speak that Eloquence is incoherent to me. But, the flutter
you get in E-speak in the boost mode is hindering me to achieve faster
speeds. So, I'm forcing myself to get used to Eloquence.

And yes, the so called natural sounding synthesizers are not as good at high
speeds. But then, SAPI5 and one core voices aren't much behind if we compare
them to these so called natural voices at moderate voices. I tried a demo of
Acapella, didn't like it much. It's high quality voices do sound good, and
more human like, but you can't use them at high speeds. The speech becomes
incoherent. There is a clatter in the background. When it comes to high
speed functionality, there is nothing better than E[speak and Eloquence.
--
Regards,
Sociohack






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA Run From Computer Option? BRILLIANT!

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi I agree


But the temp copy does have restrictions though.


From the user manual below.


3.1. Portable and Temporary Copy Restrictions
Apart from the inability to automatically start during and/or after
log-on, the portable and temporary copies of NVDA also have the
following restrictions:
• The inability to interact with applications running with
administrative privileges, unless of course NVDA itself has been run
also with these privileges (not recommended).
• The inability to read User Account Control (UAC) screens when trying
to start an application with administrative privileges.
• Windows 8 and later: the inability to support input from a touchscreen.
• Windows 8 and later: the inability to provide features such as browse
mode and speaking of typed characters in Windows Store apps.
• Windows 8 and later: audio ducking is not supported.


Apart from that when they combined the installer and portable into one
version it was great. You then could use the portable on another machine
then install a copy to the computer so there were no restrictions or
from the installer version make a portable version..


When ever i make a portable version i always make a folder called nvda
and have all its files put into that. It also keep it tidy on the usb stick.


Gene nz

On 7/25/2018 2:50 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
Now this is amazing. Imagine being able to run a temporary copy of
NVDA for testing or any other task on a computer you don't want to
leave NVDA behind on. Whoever came up with this feature needs some
kind of award for innovation or something. You folks teach me so much.
Thank you!




Skype Talking?

Richard Wells
 

When desktop Skype goes away, may we presume that the Google Code Skype Talking add-on will stop working as well? If so, it seems to me that after September 1, it might be necessary to remove the Get SkypeTalking for NVDA: http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/ tag line from messages that come to the list. This is just a suggestion.