Il 24/07/2018 16:24, Lino Morales ha scritto:

What up Duck? Cool. How about the rest of you? I forget what beta we are in 62 currently. How is it working for you?

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*Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:57:00 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Anybody on here testing the FF betas?
Hello Lino,


I've just upgraded to Firefox 63.01 with Nightly, and it's quite fast.
On the other hand, I've never experienced any lags on Firefox at all.
I'm generally using the official version, 61.01, which works very
smoothly at this end.

hth, ciao,

Ollie





Il 23/07/2018 22:59, Lino Morales ha scritto:

Hi. Is anyone on here testing the latest betas of Firefox with NVDA
2018.2 or later? Is it any faster? I’m still using Waterfox. Thanks.

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On 7/24/18, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:

Yo Elany. Contact me off list at:

Lino.jr@twc.com<mailto:Lino.jr@twc.com>

I have my own TeamTalk server if you want to hang. That goes for the rest of
you on this list cluster who are on here.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Eleni Vamvakari
<elvam2167@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 5:10:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

Thank you, Tyler, both for your agreement and for your suggestions.
While I don't deliberately insult people for no reason, I am against
political correctness in general. If people wrote bad things about a
program that I liked, I would simply ignore it. I'm not its writer,
but if I were, I would ask what they didn't like about it so that we
could discuss it in a civil manner.

I will try Team Talk again. I don't mind if it's used widely in the
mainstream. I need it to contact my Greek teacher for lessons and my
best friend so that we can voice chat. If others wish to join me, of
course, they can do so, though of course, it's different from a
dedicated program like Skype, where you have friends that you can add,
etc. But maybe, some members of various Facebook groups might be
interested in meeting there! *smile*

On 24/07/2018, Tyler Wood <tcwood12@gmail.com> wrote:

I have to agree with Eleni here.


2018 seems to be the year to be overly offended by everything. Instead
of talking about the original subject we're now suddenly talking about a
name for a company. Really, who cares. People shouldn't need their hand
held at every turn on a mailing list.


Regardless, Eleni, good luck in finding alternatives that work as nice
as skype. Team talk is nice, yes, but not many folks in the mainstream
use it. Team speak has its own set of frustrating issues - one of which
is accessing context menus with NVDA without restarting it. Discord is
slowly, oh so slowly, improving. Google hangouts is...kind of? okay, but
I forget what I didn't like about it as it has been a while, so perhaps
things have changed.


Sorry I couldn't be more help



On 24-Jul-2018 1:42 AM, Gene wrote:

I consider this to be little short of bashing, microslop, mocrosoft?
This is a public list and insulting companies may offend or bother
people who like products of a company.
If more people did this on list, the level of the list would be
degraded and it's nature would change from a helping and discussion
list to a help, discussion, and product bashing list.
If this practice spread, peoples feelings might be hurt. I don't know
who is on the list now, but in the past someone was on the list that
helped develop accessibility for Open Office and someone who works on
E-Speak was a member. If you start this sort of thing and it spreads,
it might have effects not considered by the original practitioner.
And, as you saw from comments earlier from various people, the
disparagement isn't necessarily accurate. many people presented
information about Microsoft that contradicted it.
Would you like seeing your favorite program disparaged in this way
even if the comments weren't directed toward you?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Eleni Vamvakari <mailto:elvam2167@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:07 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

People need to stop being offended by everything, especially comments
not directed toward them. Who cares whether someone uses a
disparaging name of a company? It's not a personal insult or attack.

In any case, I am of the opinion that, if things work well, they
should be improved, not changed entirely. I liked earlier versions of
Skype. Then came 7, which was annoying in several ways (I cannot
think of them at the moment, as I haven't used the older versions of
Skype since they discontinued them). Now, there is a completely new
interface. I have tried it remotely on my friend's computer (with his
permission, of course) but we were in a call, so I didn't get the full
effect of going through contacts, making and answering a call, etc.
In some ways, it's quicker than 7, and things are immediately present,
instead of being in a list and under menus. But some things seemed to
be missing. I just don't see the need to needlessly complicate
things, and even if this works, I am still interested in alternatives
with a simpler and more traditional interface.

On 23/07/2018, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com
<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

I don't see how it would either.

Except dolphin maybe, their brouser access is well not there only old
versions of internet explorer work with their stuff.

They say they are working on chrome but catch up they are doing,
firefox, chrome, waterfox, most of those we allready have everywhere

else.

On 7/24/2018 8:54 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Good point Tyler. And this goes back to the VFO brewhaha we had on
here
last week. I don’t see how Narrator would disrupt open source screen
readers like NVDA as his Erickness stated in that podcast. As I

always say

viva la NVDA!



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Tyler
Wood

<tcwood12@gmail.com <mailto:tcwood12@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:49:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible voice and text chat

A few years ago I might have agreed with you on microsoft playing
catch
up.


These days, as you say, Microsoft is everywhere. Seeing AI is simply
a
revolutionary tool on the smartphone and is not made by apple.
Similarly, narrator is quickly becoming a replacement for your

every day

screen reader. Keep in mind that the NFB went at apple pretty hard
back
in the day, too, so it isn't as though their bringing more

accessibility

into the market was voluntary. Microsoft has pretty decent

accessibility

on the Xbox, as well, a far cry from Sony who, even though they

released

so called accessibility first, are still missing crutial tts in areas
like the system settings 4 years later. Playing catch up, indeed.

I'm curious where you think microsoft is lacking in accessibility
these
days? Considering we have quite a few folks with disabilities working
for microsoft as well as apple, I think they're on a pretty level
playing field.


On 23-Jul-2018 3:40 PM, Antony Stone wrote:

Microsoft may have a better record on accessibility than "many other
companies", but depending on which other companies you compare

them with,

that
may not be saying much.

Also, given their overwhelming dominance in the desktop (laptop)
computing
market, I think they have not done as well as they should have done
in
terms
of accessibility.

I think Apple were late starters in the accessibility arena, but
once
they
decided to go for it, they showed how it should be done, and
Microsoft
have
simply played catch-up, in order to avoid total embarrassment
(rather
like
they had to in the mid 90s when they suddenly realised that people
had
found
out about the Internet, and if they didn't do something quick,

they'd be

left
behind in the networked world).


Antony.

On Monday 23 July 2018 at 22:29:59, Gene wrote:

I'm saying this not as a moderator, but as a list member. I really
object
to you giving companies disparaging nicknames and I especially
object
to
it when the company has a much better record on accessibility

than many

other companies.

Gene
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On 7/24/2018 4:13 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I never actually lost trust in MS. I knew that skype was in time

going

to be a good thing and talk about html was in happening even
since
about 2004 if I remember correctly. Skype has come a long way and
we
have to thank microslop for it. They made skype what it is

today, a

ver good tool for my jobs and more.

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On 7/24/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

The fact that someone is new to something shouldn't impair his ability to
actually learn about it.

But being fed a stream of inaccurate information makes that a much higher
hurdle to jump.

I don't disagree with you about sarcasm or arch humor, either.   That's
generally different from many of the full-blown fact-free rants one often
encounters that make assertions that don't hold up to any examination.
Hence the reason I encourage people not to "buy" anything, whether utterly
glowing or utterly negative, without getting out there and seeing what the
consensus is and being circumspect about what sources they trust when doing
that research.

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all humankind.

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On 7/24/18, Richard Wells <richwels@gmx.com> wrote:

When desktop Skype goes away, may we presume that the Google Code Skype
Talking add-on will stop working as well? If so, it seems to me that
after September 1, it might be necessary to remove the Get SkypeTalking
for NVDA: http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/ tag line from messages
that come to the list. This is just a suggestion.

On 7/24/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:

Hi I agree


But the temp copy does have restrictions though.


From the user manual below.


3.1. Portable and Temporary Copy Restrictions
Apart from the inability to automatically start during and/or after
log-on, the portable and temporary copies of NVDA also have the
following restrictions:
• The inability to interact with applications running with
administrative privileges, unless of course NVDA itself has been run
also with these privileges (not recommended).
• The inability to read User Account Control (UAC) screens when trying
to start an application with administrative privileges.
• Windows 8 and later: the inability to support input from a touchscreen.
• Windows 8 and later: the inability to provide features such as browse
mode and speaking of typed characters in Windows Store apps.
• Windows 8 and later: audio ducking is not supported.


Apart from that when they combined the installer and portable into one
version it was great. You then could use the portable on another machine
then install a copy to the computer so there were no restrictions or
from the installer version make a portable version..


When ever i make a portable version i always make a folder called nvda
and have all its files put into that. It also keep it tidy on the usb
stick.


Gene nz



On 7/25/2018 2:50 PM, Richard Wells wrote:

Now this is amazing. Imagine being able to run a temporary copy of
NVDA for testing or any other task on a computer you don't want to
leave NVDA behind on. Whoever came up with this feature needs some
kind of award for innovation or something. You folks teach me so much.
Thank you!

On 7/24/18, Brian K. Lingard <bkl@ncf.ca> wrote:

Dear Glenn & List:

True, few people think of data usage. Does AOL still charge based upon
traffic sent + received? They used to and Genie may still.

Network bandwidth is no longer much of a concern with fiber for moving
data.
The Listserv program can have sub-lists, so everyone is not on one server,
but a university or firm with a cluster of subscribers will get just one
copy of a message, then send each subscriber their own copy to read/delete
etc. This used to be necessary when the expensive modems were 1,200 BPS and
110 and 300 Baud were the speeds even CRT terminals ran at unless
hard-wired
to the computer they were connected to.

Friend of mine, an operations manager at Bell Canada one day said he found
he could have the master control terminals talk to his switching machines
at
9,600 Baud on an ordinary phone line. I told him I had been running 33,600
Baud on my home line for about three years, he listened to his engineers
too
much talking about the need for specially conditioned lines for data rates
higher than 110 Baud. This almost floored the man!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

I am guilty of not trimming off older parts of a conversation, I certainly
will try to pay more attention to this.
I did not ever consider data usage.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology


Dear Glenn & List:

Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, however, not all, prescriptions.

However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug in your particular case.

Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the medicine did not dissolve the stones.

His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad candidate for surgery.

At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.

I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional open procedure.

One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending money.

Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, just USB ones.

The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and especially the r and d to design newer ones.


There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are almost custom-made, as is their programming.

When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, faster CPU and much more RAM.
Brian


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get off SSDI.
So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and scripting.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Dear Brian & List:

I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a certified Jaws Scripter.

Perhaps not.

I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work would have to be completely redone.

I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell Foundation of San Francisco.

I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay and pay to support only a few employees.
Brian

It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the employer to be was misquoted for the job.
Brian
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone. Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market.

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On 7/24/18, Brian K. Lingard <bkl@ncf.ca> wrote:

Dear Antony & List:

I have noticed that almost every list I have ever subscribed to has almost
the exact rules as every other list I belong to. It is almost like they
were
from a large rubber stamp or cookie cutter.

The rules are usually:
No flaming
Keep the language civil, like grandma was reading your posts
Please spell check before sending
Your subject line should be highly descriptive of your message body
Ask the author of a message from another source if you may post it here

In addition, Often, the rules are listed in exactly the same order on many
different lists.

I expect the rules for this list are similar to other lists, even ones on
different platforms, such as Mailman, Freelists.org, Yahoo groups, etc.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner again!

You don't but the setting are saved automatically but with the way ccleaner has gotten access wize I thought I'd just put it out there.

Latest installs will moniter your system and such even if you turn it off maybe I am missing something but I no longer can trust the installers and I don't need to now.




On 7/25/2018 7:22 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:

Is this for the official portable version or the one on Portable Apps?
Why would we need a special settings file when settings are saved
automatically? What did you mean when you said it was inaccessible?
I'm a bit confused about all of this. I'm using this version right
now and it looks the same as it always has.

https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/ccportable

On 24/07/2018, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows
instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.

On 7/25/2018 9:58 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes but the big issue was that its one issue behind, at least, the current version. I have also turned off in the installed version the feedback and check for updates in options with little trouble but then I'm on 7.
I find the  start-up and the other tools very handy in ccleaner. Also it does seem to do a good job of stopping errors in adobe reader by cleaning up the registry. If a third party can do clean up  crap updates, one has to wonder why adobe are so slapdash with their official installers. Bah humbug is all I'll say!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small, we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it installed at all.

All functions can run from it.

On 7/25/2018 9:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes I have the beta an every day installed and the alpha as portable. Of course in windows 10 portable use is less useful than on windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons

Hello: I wanted to test some of my favorite add-ons against latest NVDA code commits. Is https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ where I need to go to get these? With recent changes as to where latest development happens, I wanted to make sure I was going to the right place to get it. I want to keep my daily use 18.2.1 installation intact, so I hoped to install the development code as a portable copy somewhere else on my hard drive. Any guidance is appreciated.

On 7/25/2018 9:52 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes there are too many badly designed bits of click bait that attempt to trick users into downloading the incorrect file for example. Its sharp practice and needs to be policed and stopped.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

I agree, if it was local content like coupons for my store or extras like that maybe I'd let it go maybe I'd make a decision.

I have had this happen, when walking on the street with family and friends, going to one place for lunch, seeing adds for another, and some cheaper fruit or something on the other side of the road and shifting over to that.

This doesn't happen on computers, if adds meant something real then maybe we would be more reseptive.




On 7/25/2018 1:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes its the same for all social media. What is really needed though in my view all over the web is some kind of accessible ad filter. IE if the ad is just going to muck up the accessibility of a site it should be banished to the bin and sooner or later such adverts will stop being made, hopefully. I do not think nvda should or could develop simply to read ofddball adverts inserted by third party servers at the whim of a bot.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


Dear Shaun & List:
Your ideal Skype client for blind users would be wonderful, however not permitting adverts prevents blind Skypes from seeing the activity that helps pay for Skype.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA

Its a pity MS killed skype kit.

What the blind need now is a client that uses the latest protocols for skype, it
should support, skype including MS accounts, Facebook accounts, no home
page, no adds, the standard message and contacts tab and the phone stuff
and nothing else.

Well groups, and video should we use it but that is it.




On 7/24/2018 7:13 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how

it’ll > all
shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and
for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of

Sociohack

AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA



I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an >

efficient way
to access websites like Facebook and twitter?

at present, there is no way I could just give a casual navigation

to > these
websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is
very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for
example, you do not wish to hear the day and the time and other minor
options in twitter while navigating from tweet to tweet in twitter.

.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small, we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it installed at all.

All functions can run from it.

On 7/25/2018 9:33 PM, Clare Page wrote:

Hi!
After reading the email below, I'd like to thank you, Shaun, for reminding us about the portable version of CCleaner. Thanks also for adding a link to the .ini file which goes with the portable version.
Since the Windows 7 laptop I'm using is 64-bit, I decided to try out the 64-bit CCleaner in the portable version, and it worked perfectly. As you say, no more Avast, and I never used monitoring in the installed pr'ogram anyway.
CCleaner portable does everything I need, so I plan to stick with it from now on. I admit this is one of those "I don't know why I didn't do this before" moments. Good to have the choice of installed or portable, though!
Bye for now!

From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: mardi 24 juillet 2018 21:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner again!

Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@gmx.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Testing Latest Code Against Add-ons

Hello: I wanted to test some of my favorite add-ons against latest NVDA code commits. Is https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ where I need to go to get these? With recent changes as to where latest development happens, I wanted to make sure I was going to the right place to get it. I want to keep my daily use 18.2.1 installation intact, so I hoped to install the development code as a portable copy somewhere else on my hard drive. Any guidance is appreciated.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA

I agree, if it was local content like coupons for my store or extras like that maybe I'd let it go maybe I'd make a decision.

I have had this happen, when walking on the street with family and friends, going to one place for lunch, seeing adds for another, and some cheaper fruit or something on the other side of the road and shifting over to that.

This doesn't happen on computers, if adds meant something real then maybe we would be more reseptive.




On 7/25/2018 1:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes its the same for all social media. What is really needed though in my view all over the web is some kind of accessible ad filter. IE if the ad is just going to muck up the accessibility of a site it should be banished to the bin and sooner or later such adverts will stop being made, hopefully. I do not think nvda should or could develop simply to read ofddball adverts inserted by third party servers at the whim of a bot.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA


Dear Shaun & List:
Your ideal Skype client for blind users would be wonderful, however not permitting adverts prevents blind Skypes from seeing the activity that helps pay for Skype.
Brian

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 5:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA

Its a pity MS killed skype kit.

What the blind need now is a client that uses the latest protocols for skype, it
should support, skype including MS accounts, Facebook accounts, no home
page, no adds, the standard message and contacts tab and the phone stuff
and nothing else.

Well groups, and video should we use it but that is it.




On 7/24/2018 7:13 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

This is where a third party client comes in handy. Who knows how

it’ll > all
shake out after Twitter’s new rules take place next month, but for now, and
for Twitter at least, the cleanest option is a third party client.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of

Sociohack

AC
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] Using different social media platforms/websites with
NVDA



I find navigating social media websites very tiring. Is there an >

efficient way
to access websites like Facebook and twitter?

at present, there is no way I could just give a casual navigation

to > these
websites. it is because of their highly interactive content, navigating them is
very tiring. you are forced to hear all sorts of unnecessary information. for
example, you do not wish to hear the day and the time and other minor
options in twitter while navigating from tweet to tweet in twitter.

.