Date   

skype accessibility

 

Hi.

Well it does seem ms is listening to us well enough to release another article about improvements to skype, they sound fuzzy and warm on paper but I can't take them at their word just yet.


Re: ccleaner again!

 

Well its never happened here but yeah I have ccleaner portable.

That does not make any tasks if ones ever got made.

But sadly, avast I don't know they may think its the best but its not.

On 7/25/2018 10:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I eventually tracked the avast installation to a process in task manager written there by ccleaner even if you say no to avast. What it does is waits till you have forgotten all about it and the machine has been idle for a time then it craftily downloads avast and installs it. I caught it last time as it fell foul of my alteration to the startup on the registry program, and asked if it should start. I said no then I had a nice little round the mulberry bush morning of avastclear, which does not remove the task, and then searching for the task folder and removing it manually in safe mode.
I do feel that although Avast may see themselves as the bees knees of anti viruses,  doing this sort of underhand installing is going to turn the general public off them big time and we are especially vulnerable due to the programs  access issues. I used to like their system back before the accessproblems but since they have been buying up companies and trying to force their stuff on computers I find myself hating them instead!!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner again!


You don't but the setting are saved automatically but with the way ccleaner has gotten access wize I thought I'd just put it out there.

Latest installs will moniter your system and such even if you turn it off maybe I am missing something but I no longer can trust the installers and I don't need to now.




On 7/25/2018 7:22 AM, Eleni Vamvakari wrote:
Is this for the official portable version or the one on Portable Apps?
  Why would we need a special settings file when settings are saved
automatically?  What did you mean when you said it was inaccessible?
I'm a bit confused about all of this.  I'm using this version right
now and it looks the same as it always has.

https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/ccportable

On 24/07/2018, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

Well if it wern't enough, today, ccleaner had an update, the website
said there wasn't one, but there was an update.

So what does this mean, you can no longer clean up old windows
instalations.

In addition to the monitering, ccleaner can run on your computer unless
you hit another button.

Even when things are cleared, it wasn't honoring my settings.

At first I tried the puran utilities, but I always liked ccleaner.

Anyway, there is a solution to this and also largely the accessibility
problems we face.

CCleaner portable is that solution, I was able to set it to startup
exactly how I wanted, you can run either 32 or 64 bit executable, I ran
the 32 bit version just because.

So, by default no monitoring no startup, no shortcuts, nothing.

I had to doodle round a bit but I was able at least in win7 to
accessibly well sort of anyway to set my options.

So you can just search for ccleaner portable on google and get this.

Place the following into the directory where you plan to have ccleaner
installed.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

Note due to dropbox limits, if someone can perminantly host this
somewhere or as many people as can have this up so others can grab it.

CCleaner uses an ini file for its settings and not the registry.

So what does the ini file have in it.

All the settings are set, no wipe space, no startup, no monitoring.

You don't need the inaccessible control panel, the privacy buttons in
the latest version seem gone to but oh well.

There are trial nag screens, updates currently are left active.

Note, for those with uac you will have to allow it through each time you
run it.

You will also have to go to options, and find settings you may have to
tab shift tab a few times to find it, and then check the boxes for the
open and run ccleaner from recycle bin and it will make those shortcuts
work.

Right now it also warns you of updates

This will give us ccleaner without avast, and the monitoring issues, and
extra junk piriform and avast seem deturmoned to foist on us poor users!

Its not much of a jesture of rebelion but as long as the ini file is
backed up and I don't plan to remove it any time soon it being so small,
we can probably use ccleaner with minimal configuration.

As long as the portable works.

Now the only reason I even bother with updates is because of win10 and
its servicing branch else I'd actually never bother updating it.

Bar the registry settings noncence there is no need to actually have it
installed at all.

All functions can run from it.










Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Gene
 

Thanks but it isn't necessary.  The owner is fair as well and the list needs almost no moderration or administering, for that matter.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Well I wish you were an admin. I don’t agree 100 percent of the tie how you handel things, but I feel you for the most part fair.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:07:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
 
I should correct the signature of my last message.  I described myself as list administrator.  I am actually a moderator.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

If you want to join a list where such discussion is allowed, that's your privelege.  This list will not allow messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the list.  I shall close the thread if it continues. 
 
This list allows some off topic discussion and has for the many years I have been a member.  But this is beyond any remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political discussion.
 
Gene Asner, list administrator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
>
>
> Dear Glenn & List:
>
> Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in
>
> gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
> Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
> have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,
>
> have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a
>
> part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
> provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
> however, not all, prescriptions.
>
> However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request
>
> it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and
>
> often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this
>
> does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
> in your particular case.
>
> Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to
>
> dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
> maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to
>
> his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
> supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
> Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
> medicine did not dissolve the stones.
>
> His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
> candidate for surgery.
>
> At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
> available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
> River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various
>
> hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
> wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
> day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor
>
> in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
> phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.
>
> I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
> small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
> procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
> open procedure.
>
> One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
> other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with
>
> the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
> prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
> others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
> would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went
>
> to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort
>
> allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
> products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying
>
> to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
> budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal
>
> with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
> could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
> it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
> money.
>
> Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
> and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
> prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance
>
> and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
> perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their
>
> makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade
>
> required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
> just USB ones.
>
> The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
> equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
> they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
> themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In
>
> addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
> displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
> especially the r and d to design newer ones.
>
>
> There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
> scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
> department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it
>
> will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
> you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the
>
> update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
> updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,
>
> using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.
>
> the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
> Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are
>
> almost custom-made, as is their programming.
>
> When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,
>
> I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the
>
> PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
> of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
> handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
> faster CPU and much more RAM.
> Brian
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
> Glenn
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place
>
> someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
> off SSDI.
> So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
> scripting.
> Glenn
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> Dear Brian & List:
>
> I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
> certified Jaws Scripter.
>
> Perhaps not.
>
> I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
> firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the
>
> work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work
>
> would have to be completely redone.
>
> I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
> Foundation of San Francisco.
>
> I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
> complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay
>
> and pay to support only a few employees.
> Brian
>
> It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
> employer to be was misquoted for the job.
> Brian
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
> If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
> Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were
>
> at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
> could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.
>
> I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed
>
> about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
>
> --
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
> all humankind.
>            ~ Richard Dohme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Digest?

 

In the digests, if using full-featured (HTML format) after each and every message there are generally 6 links (there are rare exceptions):

  1. View/Reply Online followed by the number of messages in a given topic in parentheses
  2. Reply to Group  (creates a new e-mail message in your e-mail client or webmail client with the correct subject for a reply, "Re: Topic title here")
  3. Reply to Sender  (creates a private e-mail to the sender of said message with the subject being, "Private: Topic title here")
  4. Mute this topic (stops delivery of any further messages in this topic either via digest or individual message)
  5. Top ^  (takes you back to the top of the message to the word, "DIGEST," immediately after which is the list of messages)
  6. New Topic  (opens a message in your e-mail or webmail client addressed to the same group as the message, but ready for you to start a new topic)
if going for plain text digests, there are three links with the following labels ahead of them so you know what each is for:
  1. View this message (analogous to #1 in the full-featured)
  2. Reply to this message (analogous to #2 in the full-featured)
  3. Mute this thread (analogous to #4 in the full featured)

It has been ages since I last experimented with the plain text digests, so Mark may have added some links, but I'm not going to switch to plain text digests to see what they look like since I last played with them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Problem updating Windows 10

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Marco Oros wrote:

Nope, this is function update of Windows 10.

Nope, they all have KB numbers.  There is no such thing as a Microsoft pushed update to any Microsoft product without a KB number.

If you check Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update Pane, View Update History link, then look under the Quality Updates section.  Each and every update listed has its KB number in parentheses and, if it failed to install, will have the line Failed to install on date - error code.

It is much easier to find a solution if you use a web search engine and give just two search parameters:  the KB number and the error code.  Most error codes can be triggered for a wide variety of reasons, and that's even true sometimes for a single KB update.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Lino Morales
 

Well I wish you were an admin. I don’t agree 100 percent of the tie how you handel things, but I feel you for the most part fair.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:07:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
 
I should correct the signature of my last message.  I described myself as list administrator.  I am actually a moderator.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

If you want to join a list where such discussion is allowed, that's your privelege.  This list will not allow messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the list.  I shall close the thread if it continues. 
 
This list allows some off topic discussion and has for the many years I have been a member.  But this is beyond any remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political discussion.
 
Gene Asner, list administrator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
>
>
> Dear Glenn & List:
>
> Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in
>
> gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
> Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
> have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,
>
> have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a
>
> part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
> provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
> however, not all, prescriptions.
>
> However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request
>
> it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and
>
> often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this
>
> does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
> in your particular case.
>
> Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to
>
> dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
> maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to
>
> his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
> supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
> Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
> medicine did not dissolve the stones.
>
> His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
> candidate for surgery.
>
> At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
> available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
> River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various
>
> hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
> wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
> day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor
>
> in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
> phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.
>
> I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
> small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
> procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
> open procedure.
>
> One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
> other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with
>
> the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
> prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
> others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
> would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went
>
> to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort
>
> allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
> products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying
>
> to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
> budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal
>
> with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
> could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
> it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
> money.
>
> Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
> and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
> prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance
>
> and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
> perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their
>
> makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade
>
> required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
> just USB ones.
>
> The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
> equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
> they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
> themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In
>
> addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
> displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
> especially the r and d to design newer ones.
>
>
> There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
> scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
> department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it
>
> will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
> you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the
>
> update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
> updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,
>
> using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.
>
> the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
> Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are
>
> almost custom-made, as is their programming.
>
> When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,
>
> I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the
>
> PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
> of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
> handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
> faster CPU and much more RAM.
> Brian
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
> Glenn
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place
>
> someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
> off SSDI.
> So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
> scripting.
> Glenn
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> Dear Brian & List:
>
> I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
> certified Jaws Scripter.
>
> Perhaps not.
>
> I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
> firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the
>
> work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work
>
> would have to be completely redone.
>
> I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
> Foundation of San Francisco.
>
> I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
> complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay
>
> and pay to support only a few employees.
> Brian
>
> It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
> employer to be was misquoted for the job.
> Brian
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
> If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
> Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were
>
> at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
> could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.
>
> I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed
>
> about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
>
> --
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
> all humankind.
>            ~ Richard Dohme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Gene
 

I should correct the signature of my last message.  I described myself as list administrator.  I am actually a moderator.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

If you want to join a list where such discussion is allowed, that's your privelege.  This list will not allow messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the list.  I shall close the thread if it continues. 
 
This list allows some off topic discussion and has for the many years I have been a member.  But this is beyond any remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political discussion.
 
Gene Asner, list administrator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
>
>
> Dear Glenn & List:
>
> Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in
>
> gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
> Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
> have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,
>
> have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a
>
> part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
> provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
> however, not all, prescriptions.
>
> However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request
>
> it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and
>
> often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this
>
> does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
> in your particular case.
>
> Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to
>
> dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
> maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to
>
> his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
> supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
> Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
> medicine did not dissolve the stones.
>
> His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
> candidate for surgery.
>
> At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
> available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
> River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various
>
> hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
> wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
> day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor
>
> in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
> phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.
>
> I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
> small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
> procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
> open procedure.
>
> One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
> other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with
>
> the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
> prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
> others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
> would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went
>
> to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort
>
> allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
> products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying
>
> to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
> budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal
>
> with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
> could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
> it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
> money.
>
> Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
> and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
> prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance
>
> and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
> perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their
>
> makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade
>
> required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
> just USB ones.
>
> The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
> equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
> they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
> themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In
>
> addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
> displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
> especially the r and d to design newer ones.
>
>
> There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
> scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
> department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it
>
> will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
> you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the
>
> update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
> updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,
>
> using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.
>
> the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
> Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are
>
> almost custom-made, as is their programming.
>
> When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,
>
> I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the
>
> PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
> of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
> handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
> faster CPU and much more RAM.
> Brian
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
> Glenn
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place
>
> someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
> off SSDI.
> So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
> scripting.
> Glenn
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> Dear Brian & List:
>
> I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
> certified Jaws Scripter.
>
> Perhaps not.
>
> I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
> firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the
>
> work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work
>
> would have to be completely redone.
>
> I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
> Foundation of San Francisco.
>
> I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
> complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay
>
> and pay to support only a few employees.
> Brian
>
> It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
> employer to be was misquoted for the job.
> Brian
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
> If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
> Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were
>
> at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
> could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.
>
> I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed
>
> about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
>
> --
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
> all humankind.
>            ~ Richard Dohme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Gene
 

If you want to join a list where such discussion is allowed, that's your privelege.  This list will not allow messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the list.  I shall close the thread if it continues. 
 
This list allows some off topic discussion and has for the many years I have been a member.  But this is beyond any remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political discussion.
 
Gene Asner, list administrator

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
>
>
> Dear Glenn & List:
>
> Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in
>
> gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
> Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
> have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,
>
> have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a
>
> part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
> provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
> however, not all, prescriptions.
>
> However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request
>
> it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and
>
> often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this
>
> does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
> in your particular case.
>
> Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to
>
> dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
> maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to
>
> his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
> supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
> Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
> medicine did not dissolve the stones.
>
> His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
> candidate for surgery.
>
> At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
> available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
> River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various
>
> hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
> wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
> day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor
>
> in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
> phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.
>
> I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
> small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
> procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
> open procedure.
>
> One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
> other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with
>
> the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
> prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
> others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
> would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went
>
> to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort
>
> allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
> products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying
>
> to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
> budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal
>
> with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
> could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
> it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
> money.
>
> Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
> and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
> prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance
>
> and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
> perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their
>
> makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade
>
> required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
> just USB ones.
>
> The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
> equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
> they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
> themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In
>
> addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
> displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
> especially the r and d to design newer ones.
>
>
> There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
> scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
> department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it
>
> will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
> you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the
>
> update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
> updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,
>
> using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.
>
> the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
> Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are
>
> almost custom-made, as is their programming.
>
> When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,
>
> I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the
>
> PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
> of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
> handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
> faster CPU and much more RAM.
> Brian
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
> Glenn
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place
>
> someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
> off SSDI.
> So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
> scripting.
> Glenn
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> Dear Brian & List:
>
> I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
> certified Jaws Scripter.
>
> Perhaps not.
>
> I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
> firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the
>
> work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work
>
> would have to be completely redone.
>
> I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
> Foundation of San Francisco.
>
> I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
> complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay
>
> and pay to support only a few employees.
> Brian
>
> It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
> employer to be was misquoted for the job.
> Brian
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
> If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
> Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were
>
> at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
> could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.
>
> I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed
>
> about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
>
> --
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
> all humankind.
>            ~ Richard Dohme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Mallard
 

Strange thing; I do see a V for Visited and nothing for non-visited links, except on a site where I do my shopping, which sows all links as visited, I never understood why.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/07/2018 21:12, Ron Canazzi ha scritto:
Hi Group,


I know this is a controversial topic, but through this whole Quantum Firefox switch, I and many others have not had any issues with Firefox.  There is obviously something wrong because a significant number of people using screen access technology are having issues.  I just wish the screen reader developers could pin this one down. I have been using Firefox for 15 years now and through all of it with JAWS and NVDA on several systems going back to Windows XP, I have no major issues.


In addition, I am having good results with Microsoft Edge.  The only major issue I have there is with NVDA, visited VS unvisited links are not recognized.  If they ever fix this one in NVDA, that one will be near perfect as well.




On 7/25/2018 2:21 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and its about as friendly as  ahead of mad cows.
Also unless they have relented on update it gets put back to on. Grr.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance


You will have to turn off auto complete in the about:config

In the address bar type

About:config

A warning may appear Then click continue anyway if asked

Then search for

browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled

and change it to false by hitting enter

then you are done!

From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 17:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Hello,
When I use firefox in the address bar, I hear NVDA voicing out the address, or at least trying to fill it in, even though I unchecked autofill. Is there a way to fix this annoyance? Thanks.
Armando










Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I know this is a controversial topic, but through this whole Quantum Firefox switch, I and many others have not had any issues with Firefox.  There is obviously something wrong because a significant number of people using screen access technology are having issues.  I just wish the screen reader developers could pin this one down. I have been using Firefox for 15 years now and through all of it with JAWS and NVDA on several systems going back to Windows XP, I have no major issues.


In addition, I am having good results with Microsoft Edge.  The only major issue I have there is with NVDA, visited VS unvisited links are not recognized.  If they ever fix this one in NVDA, that one will be near perfect as well.

On 7/25/2018 2:21 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and its about as friendly as  ahead of mad cows.
Also unless they have relented on update it gets put back to on. Grr.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance


You will have to turn off auto complete in the about:config

In the address bar type

About:config

A warning may appear Then click continue anyway if asked

Then search for

browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled

and change it to false by hitting enter

then you are done!

From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 17:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Hello,
When I use firefox in the address bar, I hear NVDA voicing out the address, or at least trying to fill it in, even though I unchecked autofill. Is there a way to fix this annoyance? Thanks.
Armando








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Re: Problem updating Windows 10

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well this seems to come up often, assuming Microsoft has not created yet more ways to screw it up, this is the normal advice. Note only try one thing at once, do not be tempted to alter things unless you actually need to. Note I did not write this it came from the web some time back but as far as I know its safe.

Solutions to Fix Error Code 0x80070002
When you got this kind of error, do not worry! Here are a couple of solutions for this issue, which is fairly easy, even for a person that doesn't have a lot of technical experience. Just follow the instructions in the methods below to simply resolve Windows Update errors 0x80070002 or 0x80070003.
Solution 1. Quick Fix: Check Time Settings
Details are the key to success, the time settings have a great influence on the Windows update. Simply check the date and time settings may solve your problem:
Click “Control Panel”
Open “Date and Time”
Press on “Change date and time” and make corrections if necessary
Configure your time zone before pressing OK
Press on “Internet Time” tab before selecting “Change Settings”
Check “Synchronize with an Internet time server” before choosing the Time Server from the list presented
Press “Update Now”
Press “OK” twice to complete the configuration and close all open windows
After this, restart your computer before accessing Windows Update. if You had Incorrect time set on your system then doing above steps should fix the 0x80070002 error for you.
Solution 2. Check and Remove the Corrupted System Files
If the quick fix does not work, it is therefore advised to scan and see if you have any corrupted files on your system.
First, Scan and Check the Corrupted System Files
Click Windows icon and type CMD, then right-click command prompt and choose Run as Administrator
Type “SFC /scannow” and hit enter
Wait for this process to complete
use cmd to fix 0x80070002 error code
If you get a message that everything succeeded then try to run Windows Update again, if you get an error message which contains that corrupted files were found but cannot be repaired then please try to remove the corrupted files
Second, Remove the Corrupted Windows Update Files
1. Click "Start" button and select "Control Panel". Type "Administrative Tools" in the search box and press Enter.
2. On the pop-up windows find and double-click "Service". If you are asked to provide administrator password or confirmation, type password and give confirmation.
3. Click the tab "Name" to sort items alphabetically, after which you can find out Windows Update service easily. Right-click it and select Stop.
If deleting system files does not help you, you can fix the 0x80070002 error by deleting software distribution folder to help you solve this case. Follow Solution 3 to get it fixed now.
Solution 3. Delete Software Distribution Folder to Fix 0x80070002
The Software distribution folder is found on the C drive of your system. It is in the folder where all downloaded Windows updates are stored.
It may turn out that some files in the folder are corrupt and therefore unable to or prevent installation of updates. Deleting it can help in resolving error code 0x80070002. Here are the simple steps:
Click "This PC" or "My computer"
Navigate to “C:\Windows” folder.
Search for and delete the folder named “SoftwareDistribution”. You may also choose to rename the folder as “SoftwareDistributionOld” in case you do not wish to delete it.
Restart your computer before accessing Windows Update Store. You should be able to notice updates being downloaded and installed. This will make sure that this method works to fix error 0x80070002 code for you.
Solution 4. Try Windows Update Troubleshooter
The Windows Update Troubleshooter is always a method to consider when you have any problems running Windows Update. Go to the Microsoft official website, search for "Troubleshooter" and download it, and this tool is able to automatically diagnose and fix common problems with Windows Update.
Important Note: Backup Data When Error 0x80070002 Occurs

Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Oros" <marco.oros93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problem updating Windows 10


Hi!

I have one problem to update Windows and for installing next updates of functions. Code of It is:

0x80070002

Please, what can I do for this?

Thank You.

Marco



Re: Digest?

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

There is a way, but I'm not a fan. Unless you happen to reply to posts themselves and not keep the original digest subject line, as has happened before and makes things very, very confusing.

On 25-Jul-2018 1:25 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
There is but I'd personally advise not doing so. Instead if your email software allows it, create a junk folder and use rules to put  things you are not interested in into it, also if you are really keen you can even banish users. :-)
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Place, Vicki" <vplace@columbiabasin.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Digest?


Is the a way to get a digest of posts and not individual ones?

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Re: Digest?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

There is but I'd personally advise not doing so. Instead if your email software allows it, create a junk folder and use rules to put things you are not interested in into it, also if you are really keen you can even banish users. :-)
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Place, Vicki" <vplace@columbiabasin.edu>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Digest?


Is the a way to get a digest of posts and not individual ones?

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Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Such an annoying feature should be part of a standard settings system, not hidden in the back of beyond.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando Maldonado" <armando.maldonado0767@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance


Hello, your tip worked, thanks for the help.
armando
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris via Groups.Io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance


You will have to turn off auto complete in the about:config



In the address bar type



About:config



A warning may appear Then click continue anyway if asked



Then search for



browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled



and change it to false by hitting enter



then you are done!



From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 17:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance



Hello,

When I use firefox in the address bar, I hear NVDA voicing out the address, or at least trying to fill it in, even though I unchecked autofill. Is there a way to fix this annoyance? Thanks.

Armando


Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes and its about as friendly as ahead of mad cows.
Also unless they have relented on update it gets put back to on. Grr.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance


You will have to turn off auto complete in the about:config

In the address bar type

About:config

A warning may appear Then click continue anyway if asked

Then search for

browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled

and change it to false by hitting enter

then you are done!

From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 17:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Hello,
When I use firefox in the address bar, I hear NVDA voicing out the address, or at least trying to fill it in, even though I unchecked autofill. Is there a way to fix this annoyance? Thanks.
Armando


Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Pleease no politics here.
Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology


All I’ll say is CA is one messed up country right now with Trudo the leftist in power. Oh and how is universal health care working out for ya? Not pretty from I understand. Now back to NVDA questions already in progress.



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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Elshara Silverheart <joshbrn004@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:17:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

lol I was gonna respond since I'm also from Canada but I live in BC

On 7/25/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Did you post this to the wrong list?
Its a bit Canadian... ahem.
Not nvda either.
cough.
:-)

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology


Dear Glenn & List:

Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in

gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,

have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a

part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
however, not all, prescriptions.

However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request

it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and

often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this

does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
in your particular case.

Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to

dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to

his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
medicine did not dissolve the stones.

His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
candidate for surgery.

At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various

hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor

in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.

I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
open procedure.

One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with

the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went

to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort

allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying

to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal

with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
money.

Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance

and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their

makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade

required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
just USB ones.

The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In

addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
especially the r and d to design newer ones.


There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it

will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the

update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,

using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.

the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are

almost custom-made, as is their programming.

When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,

I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the

PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
faster CPU and much more RAM.
Brian


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
Glenn
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place

someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
off SSDI.
So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
scripting.
Glenn


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Dear Brian & List:

I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
certified Jaws Scripter.

Perhaps not.

I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the

work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work

would have to be completely redone.

I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
Foundation of San Francisco.

I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay

and pay to support only a few employees.
Brian

It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
employer to be was misquoted for the job.
Brian
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were

at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.

I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed

about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market.

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
all humankind.
~ Richard Dohme











Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

Ervin, Glenn
 

I suspect that Canadian doctors all come to the US where they make mega bucks, and that is why there aren’t enough doctors for the need in Canada.

And if folks weren’t taking so many drugs that they don’t need we would not need so many doctors.

I have lost respect for the doctors who only seem to have the ability to write prescriptions, and practice no surgical skills.

But like you wrote, back to the topic of NVDA.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

 

All I’ll say is CA is one messed up country right now with Trudo the leftist in power. Oh and how is universal health care working out for ya? Not pretty from I understand. Now back to NVDA questions already in progress.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Elshara Silverheart <joshbrn004@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:17:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology

 

lol I was gonna respond since I'm also from Canada but I live in BC

On 7/25/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Did you post this to the wrong list?
>  Its a bit Canadian... ahem.
>  Not nvda either.
>  cough.
>   :-)
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
>
>
> Dear Glenn & List:
>
> Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in
>
> gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months.
> Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who
> have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine,
>
> have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a
>
> part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP
> provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most,
> however, not all, prescriptions.
>
> However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request
>
> it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and
>
> often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this
>
> does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug
> in your particular case.
>
> Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to
>
> dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was
> maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to
>
> his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's
> supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of
> Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the
> medicine did not dissolve the stones.
>
> His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad
> candidate for surgery.
>
> At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not
> available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa
> River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various
>
> hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his
> wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a
> day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor
>
> in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his
> phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it.
>
> I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a
> small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these
> procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional
> open procedure.
>
> One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably
> other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with
>
> the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per
> prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay,
> others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did
> would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went
>
> to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort
>
> allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene
> products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying
>
> to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her
> budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal
>
> with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home
> could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay
> it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending
> money.
>
> Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting
> and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the
> prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance
>
> and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many
> perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their
>
> makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade
>
> required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports,
> just USB ones.
>
> The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the
> equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as
> they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built
> themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In
>
> addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed
> displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and
> especially the r and d to design newer ones.
>
>
> There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and
> scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your
> department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it
>
> will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app
> you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the
>
> update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the
> updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee,
>
> using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc.
>
> the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public
> Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are
>
> almost custom-made, as is their programming.
>
> When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well,
>
> I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the
>
> PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line
> of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to
> handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage,
> faster CPU and much more RAM.
> Brian
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin,
> Glenn
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place
>
> someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get
> off SSDI.
> So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and
> scripting.
> Glenn
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>  <nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> Dear Brian & List:
>
> I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a
> certified Jaws Scripter.
>
> Perhaps not.
>
> I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental
> firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the
>
> work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work
>
> would have to be completely redone.
>
> I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell
> Foundation of San Francisco.
>
> I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a
> complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay
>
> and pay to support only a few employees.
> Brian
>
> It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the
> employer to be was misquoted for the job.
> Brian
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it?
> If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone.
> Alternatively, even ask here.   Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were
>
> at one time anyway.  I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I
> could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there.
>
> I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed
>
> about 2 years ago.  It is a real niche market.
>
> --
> Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>     A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for
> all humankind.
>            ~ Richard Dohme
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: rules for Most Lists

Ervin, Glenn
 

As list owner you may not ever see them.
When folks subscribe to a list, they get an eMail listing all that information.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Elshara Silverheart
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 5:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] rules for Most Lists

I've ran a mailman server and it didn't come with a predefined template for rules.

On 7/24/18, Brian K. Lingard <bkl@ncf.ca> wrote:
Dear Antony & List:

I have noticed that almost every list I have ever subscribed to has
almost the exact rules as every other list I belong to. It is almost
like they were from a large rubber stamp or cookie cutter.

The rules are usually:
No flaming
Keep the language civil, like grandma was reading your posts Please
spell check before sending Your subject line should be highly
descriptive of your message body Ask the author of a message from
another source if you may post it here

In addition, Often, the rules are listed in exactly the same order on
many different lists.

I expect the rules for this list are similar to other lists, even ones
on different platforms, such as Mailman, Freelists.org, Yahoo groups, etc.

Brian





Re: Bandwidth && network traffic

Ervin, Glenn
 

I don’t know much about AOL, I think a few of my clients still have their old AOL account, only because it was their first eMail address.

And I believe it is just an eMail service for most, going through their ISP, likely fiber optic connection.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Bandwidth && network traffic

 

Dear Glenn & List:

 

True, few people think of data usage. Does AOL still charge based upon traffic sent + received? They used to and Genie may still.

 

Network bandwidth is no longer much of a concern with fiber for moving data. The Listserv program can have sub-lists, so everyone is not on one server, but a university or firm with a cluster of subscribers will get just one copy of a message, then send each subscriber their own copy to read/delete etc. This used to be necessary when the expensive modems were 1,200 BPS and 110 and 300 Baud were the speeds even CRT terminals ran at unless hard-wired to the computer they were connected to.

 

Friend of mine, an operations manager at Bell Canada one day said he found he could have the master control terminals talk to his switching machines at 9,600 Baud on an ordinary phone line. I told him I had been running 33,600 Baud on my home line for about three years, he listened to his engineers too much talking about the need for specially conditioned lines for data rates higher than 110 Baud. This almost floored the man!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] skype 8 for desktop

 

I am guilty of not trimming off older parts of a conversation, I certainly will try to pay more attention to this.

I did not ever consider data usage.

 

Glenn

 


Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance

Chris
 

You are welcome 😃

 

 

From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 18:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

 

Hello, your tip worked, thanks for the help.

armando

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:58 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

 

You will have to turn off auto complete in the about:config

 

In the address bar type

 

About:config

 

A warning may appear Then click continue anyway if asked

 

Then search for

 

browser.urlbar.autocomplete.enabled

 

and change it to false by hitting enter

 

then you are done!

 

From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: 25 July 2018 17:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Firefox annoyance

 

Hello,

When I use firefox in the address bar, I hear NVDA voicing out the address, or at least trying to fill it in, even though I unchecked autofill. Is there a way to fix this annoyance? Thanks.

Armando