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Re: skype accessibility
If there was one time that Microsoft kind of listens to my feedback, is when I reported an issue in the iOS version of Skype where, I think, VoiceOver is not reading what I'm typing in the message edit box. That was fixed, after a couple of updates.
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Re: can't get to my music file folder
Brian's Mail list account
If you find that explorer is not letting you in, I find master seeker which is a portable program quite handy for seeing what is actually going on.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get to my music file folder Hi, Gene,
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Re: skype accessibility
Brian's Mail list account
Yes how is it that they keep on going on, but never seem to be able to actually do it. it surely cannot be that hard to throw a new version at a series of blind skype users with different screenwriters can it? Or are they judging everything on how it works with Narrator?
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:37 PM Subject: [nvda] skype accessibility Hi.
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Re: can't get to my music file folder
Jim Pipczak
Hi,
Did you try pressing the Windows key and then typing “my music”? It should be under documents and then music. Famous last words.
Thanks, Jim
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] can't get to my music file folder
Hi, everyone,
I don't know why but for some weird reason I can't find my music file folder. I don't know if it's something in NVDA or not. When I do a search for music and hit enter, all it shows is groove music but nothing else. This didn't happen in earlier versions of windows. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't fix the problem either. Why is this happening?
Thanks for your helpp in advance.
Rosemarie
Jim Pipczak
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Re: can't get to my music file folder
Running and typing music should always get you to that folder unless you changed your location.
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if not go to c:\users find your username and then your music folder Ofcause go and hit winkey and I, go to storage search for this in settings search and see where stuff actually goes, I have for example on the workstation because of its 128gb ssd, all documents, music and other videos and data pictures, etc on my data hdd and not on the system. If this is the case you can change your location of your files using simple comands from explorer.
On 7/26/2018 3:59 PM, Gene wrote:
Did you do what you should always do when odd pronblems occur with no known possible solution other than this? Did you reboot?
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Re: can't get to my music file folder
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Gene,
Yes, the problem is solved now. I found my music folder in file explorer. I should have thought of that earlier.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get to my music file folder
Did you do what you should always do when odd pronblems occur with no known possible solution other than this? Did you reboot?
Also, did you look for the folder using File Explorer?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:57 PM Subject: [nvda] can't get to my music file folder
Hi, everyone,
I don't know why but for some weird reason I can't find my music file folder. I don't know if it's something in NVDA or not. When I do a search for music and hit enter, all it shows is groove music but nothing else. This didn't happen in earlier versions of windows. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't fix the problem either. Why is this happening?
Thanks for your helpp in advance.
Rosemarie
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Re: can't get to my music file folder
Gene
Did you do what you should always do when odd
pronblems occur with no known possible solution other than this? Did you
reboot?
Also, did you look for the folder using File
Explorer?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] can't get to my music file folder Hi, everyone,
I don't know why but for some weird reason I can't find my music file folder. I don't know if it's something in NVDA or not. When I do a search for music and hit enter, all it shows is groove music but nothing else. This didn't happen in earlier versions of windows. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't fix the problem either. Why is this happening?
Thanks for your helpp in advance.
Rosemarie
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can't get to my music file folder
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, everyone,
I don't know why but for some weird reason I can't find my music file folder. I don't know if it's something in NVDA or not. When I do a search for music and hit enter, all it shows is groove music but nothing else. This didn't happen in earlier versions of windows. I called the microsoft disability line and they couldn't fix the problem either. Why is this happening?
Thanks for your helpp in advance.
Rosemarie
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Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA
Laurie Mehta
I agree with you.
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If a person has an iPhone, the Twitter app especially, and even the Face Book app, works very well with voice over. -LM --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 7/25/18, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
Another suggestion is to use the Facebook and Twitter mobile apps. From my experience, Facebook iOS app works fine with VoiceOver. I hardly use the Facebook website nowadays as the app is more convenient. _._,_._,_
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Re: Using different social media platforms/websites with NVDA
Another suggestion is to use the Facebook and Twitter mobile apps. From my experience, Facebook iOS app works fine with VoiceOver. I hardly use the Facebook website nowadays as the app is more convenient.
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skype accessibility
Hi.
Well it does seem ms is listening to us well enough to release another article about improvements to skype, they sound fuzzy and warm on paper but I can't take them at their word just yet.
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Re: ccleaner again!
Well its never happened here but yeah I have ccleaner portable.
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That does not make any tasks if ones ever got made. But sadly, avast I don't know they may think its the best but its not.
On 7/25/2018 10:08 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I eventually tracked the avast installation to a process in task manager written there by ccleaner even if you say no to avast. What it does is waits till you have forgotten all about it and the machine has been idle for a time then it craftily downloads avast and installs it. I caught it last time as it fell foul of my alteration to the startup on the registry program, and asked if it should start. I said no then I had a nice little round the mulberry bush morning of avastclear, which does not remove the task, and then searching for the task folder and removing it manually in safe mode.
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Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
Gene
Thanks but it isn't necessary. The owner is
fair as well and the list needs almost no moderration or administering, for that
matter.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Lino Morales
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access
technology Well I wish you were an admin. I don’t agree 100 percent of the tie how you handel things, but I feel you for the most part fair.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene
<gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:07:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology I should correct the signature of my last
message. I described myself as list administrator. I am
actually a moderator.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access
technology If you want to join a list where such
discussion is allowed, that's your privelege. This list will not allow
messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have
not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the
list. I shall close the thread if it continues.
This list allows some off topic discussion
and has for the many years I have been a member. But this is beyond any
remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a
good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political
discussion.
Gene Asner, list
administrator
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology > > > Dear Glenn & List: > > Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in > > gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. > Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who > have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, > > have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a > > part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP > provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, > however, not all, prescriptions. > > However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request > > it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and > > often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this > > does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug > in your particular case. > > Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to > > dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was > maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to > > his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's > supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of > Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the > medicine did not dissolve the stones. > > His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad > candidate for surgery. > > At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not > available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa > River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various > > hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his > wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a > day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor > > in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his > phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it. > > I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a > small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these > procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional > open procedure. > > One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably > other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with > > the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per > prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, > others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did > would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went > > to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort > > allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene > products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying > > to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her > budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal > > with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home > could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay > it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending > money. > > Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting > and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the > prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance > > and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many > perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their > > makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade > > required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, > just USB ones. > > The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the > equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as > they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built > themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In > > addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed > displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and > especially the r and d to design newer ones. > > > There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and > scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your > department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it > > will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app > you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the > > update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the > updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, > > using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. > > the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public > Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are > > almost custom-made, as is their programming. > > When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, > > I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the > > PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line > of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to > handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, > faster CPU and much more RAM. > Brian > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, > Glenn > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place > > someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get > off SSDI. > So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and > scripting. > Glenn > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io > > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > Dear Brian & List: > > I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a > certified Jaws Scripter. > > Perhaps not. > > I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental > firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the > > work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work > > would have to be completely redone. > > I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell > Foundation of San Francisco. > > I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a > complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay > > and pay to support only a few employees. > Brian > > It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the > employer to be was misquoted for the job. > Brian > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: > Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it? > If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone. > Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were > > at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I > could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there. > > I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed > > about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market. > > -- > Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for > all humankind. > ~ Richard Dohme > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Digest?
In the digests, if using full-featured (HTML format) after each and every message there are generally 6 links (there are rare exceptions):
It has been ages since I last experimented with the plain text digests, so Mark may have added some links, but I'm not going to switch to plain text digests to see what they look like since I last played with them. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Problem updating Windows 10
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Marco Oros wrote:
Nope, they all have KB numbers. There is no such thing as a Microsoft pushed update to any Microsoft product without a KB number. If you check Settings, Update & Security, Windows Update Pane, View Update History link, then look under the Quality Updates section. Each and every update listed has its KB number in parentheses and, if it failed to install, will have the line Failed to install on date - error code. It is much easier to find a solution if you use a web search engine and give just two search parameters: the KB number and the error code. Most error codes can be triggered for a wide variety of reasons, and that's even true sometimes for a single KB update. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind. ~ Richard Dehmel
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Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Well I wish you were an admin. I don’t agree 100 percent of the tie how you handel things, but I feel you for the most part fair.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:07:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology I should correct the signature of my last message. I described myself as list administrator. I am actually a moderator.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From:
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
If you want to join a list where such discussion is allowed, that's your privelege. This list will not allow messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have not even the remotest connection
to anything reasonably allowed on the list. I shall close the thread if it continues.
This list allows some off topic discussion and has for the many years I have been a member. But this is beyond any remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a good chance of stirring up
a good deal of divisive political discussion.
Gene Asner, list administrator
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology > > > Dear Glenn & List: > > Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in > > gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. > Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who > have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, > > have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a > > part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP > provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, > however, not all, prescriptions. > > However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request > > it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and > > often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this > > does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug > in your particular case. > > Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to > > dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was > maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to > > his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's > supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of > Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the > medicine did not dissolve the stones. > > His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad > candidate for surgery. > > At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not > available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa > River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various > > hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his > wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a > day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor > > in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his > phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it. > > I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a > small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these > procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional > open procedure. > > One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably > other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with > > the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per > prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, > others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did > would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went > > to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort > > allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene > products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying > > to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her > budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal > > with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home > could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay > it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending > money. > > Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting > and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the > prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance > > and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many > perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their > > makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade > > required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, > just USB ones. > > The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the > equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as > they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built > themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In > > addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed > displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and > especially the r and d to design newer ones. > > > There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and > scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your > department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it > > will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app > you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the > > update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the > updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, > > using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. > > the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public > Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are > > almost custom-made, as is their programming. > > When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, > > I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the > > PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line > of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to > handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, > faster CPU and much more RAM. > Brian > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, > Glenn > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place > > someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get > off SSDI. > So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and > scripting. > Glenn > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io > > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > Dear Brian & List: > > I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a > certified Jaws Scripter. > > Perhaps not. > > I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental > firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the > > work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work > > would have to be completely redone. > > I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell > Foundation of San Francisco. > > I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a > complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay > > and pay to support only a few employees. > Brian > > It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the > employer to be was misquoted for the job. > Brian > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: > Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it? > If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone. > Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were > > at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I > could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there. > > I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed > > about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market. > > -- > Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for > all humankind. > ~ Richard Dohme > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
Gene
I should correct the signature of my last
message. I described myself as list administrator. I am
actually a moderator.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access
technology If you want to join a list where such
discussion is allowed, that's your privelege. This list will not allow
messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have
not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the
list. I shall close the thread if it continues.
This list allows some off topic discussion
and has for the many years I have been a member. But this is beyond any
remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a
good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political
discussion.
Gene Asner, list
administrator
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology > > > Dear Glenn & List: > > Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in > > gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. > Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who > have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, > > have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a > > part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP > provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, > however, not all, prescriptions. > > However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request > > it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and > > often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this > > does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug > in your particular case. > > Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to > > dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was > maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to > > his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's > supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of > Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the > medicine did not dissolve the stones. > > His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad > candidate for surgery. > > At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not > available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa > River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various > > hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his > wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a > day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor > > in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his > phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it. > > I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a > small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these > procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional > open procedure. > > One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably > other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with > > the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per > prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, > others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did > would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went > > to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort > > allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene > products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying > > to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her > budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal > > with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home > could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay > it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending > money. > > Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting > and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the > prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance > > and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many > perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their > > makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade > > required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, > just USB ones. > > The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the > equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as > they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built > themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In > > addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed > displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and > especially the r and d to design newer ones. > > > There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and > scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your > department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it > > will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app > you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the > > update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the > updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, > > using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. > > the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public > Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are > > almost custom-made, as is their programming. > > When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, > > I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the > > PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line > of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to > handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, > faster CPU and much more RAM. > Brian > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, > Glenn > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place > > someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get > off SSDI. > So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and > scripting. > Glenn > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io > > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > Dear Brian & List: > > I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a > certified Jaws Scripter. > > Perhaps not. > > I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental > firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the > > work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work > > would have to be completely redone. > > I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell > Foundation of San Francisco. > > I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a > complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay > > and pay to support only a few employees. > Brian > > It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the > employer to be was misquoted for the job. > Brian > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: > Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it? > If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone. > Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were > > at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I > could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there. > > I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed > > about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market. > > -- > Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for > all humankind. > ~ Richard Dohme > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology
Gene
If you want to join a list where such
discussion is allowed, that's your privelege. This list will not allow
messages that risk causing divisive and heated political discussions that have
not even the remotest connection to anything reasonably allowed on the
list. I shall close the thread if it continues.
This list allows some off topic discussion
and has for the many years I have been a member. But this is beyond any
remotely reasonable expansion of off topic material, and as I said, it has a
good chance of stirring up a good deal of divisive political
discussion.
Gene Asner, list
administrator
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:31 AM > Subject: [nvda] Getting Off of SSDI, ongoing cost of access technology > > > Dear Glenn & List: > > Here in Canada, at least Ontario, you are considered successfully placed in > > gainful employment if the job is expected to last at least six months. > Friends receiving ODSP [Ontario Disability Support Program] payments who > have many medical conditions, each with at least one prescription medicine, > > have told me time and again they are capable of gainful work, however, as a > > part-time employee, they will not have a Prescription Medicine Plan. ODSP > provides each recipient with a Prescription Drug Benefit that covers most, > however, not all, prescriptions. > > However, if you require a prescription not on the formulary, you may request > > it be covered for you as your doctor has prescribed it, it is expensive, and > > often the only medicine licensed in Canada to treat your condition. If this > > does not work, you may apply to The Trillium Plan for coverage of the drug > in your particular case. > > Friend of mine's spouse was diagnosed with gallstones. The doctor wanted to > > dissolve them with an expensive medicine. Their ODSP monthly income was > maybe, $1,000 combined for the two of them. Friend takes the prescription to > > his usual pharmacy, asks what it costs, answer was $300 for a month's > supply. He contacts his doctor, who writes an appeal letter to the Min of > Health, after a few weeks went by, they approved it. Unfortunately, the > medicine did not dissolve the stones. > > His wife was diabetic, had heart issues and for these reasons was a bad > candidate for surgery. > > At the time, Lithotripsy, busting the stones into fine powder, was not > available in Ottawa. It was in Montreal, province just across the Ottawa > River, and with its own Min of Health, friend of mine called around various > > hospitals there, found one that did this treatment, gave the info to his > wife's doctor, who said I heard they no longer do this! Meanwhile, about a > day before, the hospital had told my friend they did do it, have the doctor > > in Ottawa send them a referral. Therefore, my friend said why run up his > phone bill if the doctor will say he heard they no longer do it. > > I do not know of a laparoscopic procedure, where they operate through a > small hole to the scene of the procedure was an option. Have heard these > procedures are much less stressful on the body, compared to a traditional > open procedure. > > One friend of mine, in Toronto, is blind, diabetic, with MS and probably > other issues. Between her various doctors, she is on 32 prescriptions, with > > the Ontario Drug Benefit, pharmacies may charge a $2 co-pay per > prescription. That is $64/month. Many pharmacies will waive the $2 co-pay, > others do not. The nursing home she resided at dealt with one pharmacy did > would not waive the co-pay. Her entire ODSP cheque of around $700/month went > > to pay the daily fee for staying the home, except for her $100/month comfort > > allowance, which was to cover replacement clothes, feminine hygiene > products, toothpaste, phone & cable tv if any, she also smoked. After trying > > to explain to the home the $64 co-pay would be the largest item in her > budget, she cannot afford it, and getting the story they only wanted to deal > > with the single pharmacy as it simplified ordering, she decided the home > could bill her all they wanted for the co-pay, however, she refused to pay > it. Her prescription medicines kept arriving and she had more spending > money. > > Having the Soc. Security Admin. Pay for access technology, with scripting > and training, to get someone into the workforce, earning more than the > prevailing SGA is fine. However, access tech wears out, requires maintenance > > and can become unusable due to advances in computer technology. Many > perfectly good braille displays and synthesizers became obsolete when their > > makers decided not to make drivers available for them when a Windows upgrade > > required new drivers, or computers no longer had parallel & serial ports, > just USB ones. > > The braille displays were well built, however the firm that took over the > equipment when TSI went bust, chose to not prolong their working life as > they competed directly with the Braille displays the firm designed & built > themselves. Freedom Scientific, now VFO Group was one firm that did this. In > > addition, manufacturers of access tech can go bust, making well-designed > displays, however, not with enough market share to make the units and > especially the r and d to design newer ones. > > > There is also the issue of funding equipment maintenance, replacement and > scripting updated or new applications. If you work for Government, your > department or agency is expected to pay for this. Fine. The scripter says it > > will cost $75,000 to script the soon to be released update to the main app > you use. The department has perhaps one or two blind employees who need the > > update. If updates are released semi-annually, that is $1590, 000 for the > updates or $75,000 per blind employee. If the employee is a Quad or amputee, > > using a sip & puff system to control their telephone, terminal printers etc. > > the cost of reprogramming their sit & puff system can approach the Public > Debt of the United States of America. This is because sip & puff systems are > > almost custom-made, as is their programming. > > When my employer was concerned over the cost of a PC for me, offered, well, > > I earn my hourly wage whether I am doing productive work or waiting for the > > PC to compute. I prefer doing productive work. The boss accepted this line > of reasoning and purchased the faster PC with enough RAM and hard drive to > handle newer program versions, which seem to require more disk storage, > faster CPU and much more RAM. > Brian > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ervin, > Glenn > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 10:35 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > In VR with state agencies, we are reimbursed by Social Security if we place > > someone in a job that is above SGA, that is, enough for the client to get > off SSDI. > So usually, cost is not an issue for things like adaptive equipment and > scripting. > Glenn > > > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io > > <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Brian K. Lingard > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:31 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > Dear Brian & List: > > I thought VFO Group would do JAWS scripting or put you in contact with a > certified Jaws Scripter. > > Perhaps not. > > I do know that someone wanted a proprietary application for a car rental > firm scripted to work with JAWS and was quoted thousands of dollars for the > > work and advised that every timed the firm rolled out a new version the work > > would have to be completely redone. > > I believe the would- be scripting contractor was the Smith-Kettlewell > Foundation of San Francisco. > > I can see changes being required for a new version of the App, but a > complete rewrite. That seems like someone trying to make a large company pay > > and pay to support only a few employees. > Brian > > It may have been a proprietary telemarketing program. However, I think the > employer to be was misquoted for the job. > Brian > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Vogel > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:34 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re: [NVDA] VFO not complimentary about NVDA > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Steve Nutt wrote: > Again, if I want a program scripted in NVDA, who does it? > If you contact NV Access, I feel certain they could point you to someone. > Alternatively, even ask here. Most JAWS scripters are self-taught, or were > > at one time anyway. I believe NVDA scripts are done in Python (though I > could be wrong) and there are plenty of Python programmers out there. > > I had to dig long and hard to find JAWS scriptwriters when they were needed > > about 2 years ago. It is a real niche market. > > -- > Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 > A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for > all humankind. > ~ Richard Dohme > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance
Mallard <mallard@...>
Strange thing; I do see a V for Visited and nothing for non-visited links, except on a site where I do my shopping, which sows all links as visited, I never understood why.
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Ciao, Ollie
Il 25/07/2018 21:12, Ron Canazzi ha scritto:
Hi Group,
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Re: NVDA and Firefox annoyance
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
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I know this is a controversial topic, but through this whole Quantum Firefox switch, I and many others have not had any issues with Firefox. There is obviously something wrong because a significant number of people using screen access technology are having issues. I just wish the screen reader developers could pin this one down. I have been using Firefox for 15 years now and through all of it with JAWS and NVDA on several systems going back to Windows XP, I have no major issues. In addition, I am having good results with Microsoft Edge. The only major issue I have there is with NVDA, visited VS unvisited links are not recognized. If they ever fix this one in NVDA, that one will be near perfect as well.
On 7/25/2018 2:21 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes and its about as friendly as ahead of mad cows. --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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