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Re: DVD Player?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If it is for watching dvds etc use VLC Media player it is free and works
well.


I use it to watch dvds and if the dvd has audio description and can
easily be turned on then i watch it that way.


Other people use it for music.



Gene nz

On 7/28/2018 1:39 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I need to know if there is a free and accessible program that will
play DVD movies that works well with nvda?  I had Power DVD that came
with my first ever DVD RW drive but that was for Win XP and it won't
run on Win 10.  Hope there is one out there somewhere.


Thanks.


Roger





can't put the mail app on muy desktop

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just switched to the mail app but now I can’t put it on my desktop. I tried everything I know to do but nothing has worked. I don’t want to have to keep hitting the windows key and typing “mail” every time I want to go to the mail app. What could I be doing wrong?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Using NVDA on XP?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi James,

As Joseph noted, the last version of NVDA that works on Windows XP is NVDA 2017.3.  The download for that version is: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3/nvda_2017.3.exe

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The latest version that’ll run happily on Windows XP is 2017.3.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi all,

 

I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.

 

Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?

 

Many thanks,

 

James B

 

 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: MS Onenote

Quentin Christensen
 

There are several versions of OneNote.  In Windows 10 they appear as "OneNote 2016 (Desktop app)" and the other simply "OneNote", which is the UWP version.

I haven't used them in awhile, but from memory the desktop version was better last I looked.

Are you familiar with what OneNote is and how to use it (conceptually I mean, rather than which specific keys though obviously that's important too!)?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:02 AM, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:

How do we use Onenote with NVDA? Some of it seems accessible but some parts do not seem to speak.


This is under Windows 10 latest update with NVDA latest master.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


thunderbird is very sluggish

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I don't know what's going on but there seems to be something wrong with thunderbird or NVDA. The speech is very sluggish. Is there a remmody for this?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: DVD Player?

 

Well power dvd doesn't work now anyway its utterly inaccessible.

Windows media player may work you can access the dvd menu and turn on audio description, vlc should work to.

I use dvd audio extracter which nicely cracks your dvds for you.

Ofcause if its one of those paramount ones then all the bits are all over and you can't pirate the dvds.

I'd really like some accessible way to play my own dvds, for the older ones I just run cracking software and play them that way but to be honest, there are some secured dvds one which I was able to crack the other which didn't work so well so for those that don't work I end up playing them once then putting on my shelf with the other junk.

On 7/28/2018 1:39 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I need to know if there is a free and accessible program that will play DVD movies that works well with nvda?  I had Power DVD that came with my first ever DVD RW drive but that was for Win XP and it won't run on Win 10.  Hope there is one out there somewhere.


Thanks.


Roger




.


Re: Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi,

The latest version that’ll run happily on Windows XP is 2017.3.

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on XP?

 

Hi all,

 

I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.

 

Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?

 

Many thanks,

 

James B

 

 


Using NVDA on XP?

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi all,
 
I have a friend who is interested in using NVDA on a computer running XP.
 
Can he just down load the latest NVDA or should he try for an earlier version.  If so, which version?
 
Many thanks,
 
James B
 
 


Re: DVD Player?

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Well you can try vlc media player.  You will have to go in to your auto play settings in your control panel and tell dvds to play with vlc media player and set your defaults.  Good luck.

On 7/27/2018 9:39 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I need to know if there is a free and accessible program that will play DVD movies that works well with nvda?  I had Power DVD that came with my first ever DVD RW drive but that was for Win XP and it won't run on Win 10.  Hope there is one out there somewhere.


Thanks.


Roger




Re: NVDA Goes Silent In Dialogue on Websites

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear David & List:

A button is activated by pressing the space bar to press it.

A link is activated by pressing enter on it or the left-hand mouse button.

Recommend you update your NVDA to the latest version supported by win 7.

Consider upgrading to Win 10. No announced end date for support.
Briam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David Russell
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA Goes Silent in Dialogue on Websites

Hello Members,

I believe I am using a 2016 version of NVDA with my windows seven
Computer, and will upgrade when purchasing a new computer in 2020.
That being said, can someone explain the reason NVDA goes silent when I
press enter on a given website, and I enter a link called Dialogue.
Arrow keys (up down) or tab keys do not result in any screen info being read.
Just blank blank blank

One such example is the Tax Information link at Amazon, required by authors
To complete when establishing or updating an existing account.

I notice too, some websites are using the word 'button' instead of 'link' to
identify key places. What is the difference?

Thank you for your help.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


DVD Player?

Roger Stewart
 

I need to know if there is a free and accessible program that will play DVD movies that works well with nvda?  I had Power DVD that came with my first ever DVD RW drive but that was for Win XP and it won't run on Win 10.  Hope there is one out there somewhere.


Thanks.


Roger


Re: User configuration directory

 

Hi,

Turns out it might not have to do with showing hidden files and folders.

To the original poster: what ve3rsion of Windows is this, and can you locate folder contents after you tab around?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory

 

Hi,

I think there is a bigger problem here: the folder name doesn’t matter; what matters is if show hidden files and folders is turned on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory

 

On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.

 

Best

Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@...>:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


Re: User configuration directory

 

Hi,

I think there is a bigger problem here: the folder name doesn’t matter; what matters is if show hidden files and folders is turned on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] User configuration directory

 

On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.

 

Best

Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@...>:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Gene
 

It may be that I don't understand how sighted people see web pages but it is certainly different than the way a blind person encounters it. 
 
I don't know if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.  And I don't think your characterization is correct about my having a tendency to do so.
 
I fail to see why you are so defensive and hostile on this subject.  I'm making two or three main points and your messages support them even though you are at least to an extent, arguing against them.
 
The thread began with you explaining a difficulty you are having with increasing numbers of web sites where a structure appears visually as one thing and to the screen-reader as something else.  You discussed how you had problems using one of the screen-reader lists to move through the cart in part because a structure appears different visually than it appears to a screen-reader and you were using the links list so the structure was not seen. 
 
My point is that if you don't use the links list, but use the methods I discussed, the search command, or tabbing through the cart, you won't have the problem.  and you won't have it on other sites.  Your own message argues for what I am saying.
 
I explained my strong view that the links list shouldn’t' be used on unfamiliar pages.
I said it detracts from effective teaching because it uses completely artificial constructs and removes the user from the page.  And I said that it shouldn't be taught until the student has thoroughly mastered navigation using the web page itself.
 
To this, and to my concrete examples and very specific arguments, you wrote a quarrelsome, almost attack that maybe some day it will occur to me that there are other ways of doing things than mine.  That is completely beside the point and irrelevant.  I made a very good case for my views and why I think they are by far best practices.  Attacking me and accusing me of rigidity won't win the argument.  You haven't given any specific counterexamples or arguments against what I said except that different people are different.  That has nothing to do with best practices.  If you don't generalize about best practices and try to account for exceptions that don't represent the general, how can you teach anything? 
 
I've done a little teaching.  If the person had problems understanding or working in the way I think is the best practice to teach, I would use other methods. 
 
And I didn't prescribe or say that people have to use this or that method.  I discussed using the find command, move by headings, skip blocks of links commands, and move by button.  Hardly rigid.  I'm giving different ways of movement that one may use depending on circumstances and page layout and on how you want to work with the page.  I also said specifically that if you want to know a lot about what is on a page, you may want to read some or all of the page.
 
I discussed the mouse because you attacked me as being rigid and dictatorial.  I didn't do so as an attack, however,  And you don't have to apologize for anything.  But it is certainly the case that a sighted person may approach something In not necessarily the best manner for a blind person to learn because of thinking of things as perceived in the sighted way.  I didn't say you generally do this.  It doesn't appear to me that you do.  And I am not discounting the value of getting sighted help when useful or important.  But my point still stands.
 
But based on twenty years of Internet use, thinking about what works well and what doesn't, and observing the kinds of problems many blind people have using the Internet, I dispute the amount of emphasis you seem to place on use of the mouse to get a picture of the web page. 
 
If you are interested, I will discuss what I consider the most effective way to give blind people an understanding of the way a sighted person sees a web page layout as compared with a blind person, using browse mode which reformats the page.  
 
Your tone has been increasingly hostile and dismissive.  If you want to answer, I'll give you the last word.  I've pretty much said everything I have to say and you may have a response.  I think people pretty well have decided what they think of our differences so I won't keep arguing various points.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Gene,

           No one is better at making a mountain out of a molehill than you are.

           You really need to consider "how you read," as it's clear to me that I am far from alone in my perception of your both your tone and the scope of your comments.

           As to my taking on "the sighted way" well, of course I do.  We are all the products of our sensory palettes.  I could no sooner pretend to understand what it is to be blind as a perceptual world than I could to pretend to understand what it is to be deaf, unable to taste or smell, or lacking touch or proprioception.  I am what I am, and I make no apology for that.  I also find your explanation of how you look at a webpage utterly alien to my own experience even when I'm looking at parts rather than the whole.  I tend to look at classes of objects because most webpages are presented arranged by such and, up until very recently, one could count on object types having very distinct visual presentations.  That's how most of them came to have their names, e.g, a button on screen looks like a button on a physical object (or at least it did until the recent flat look became all the rage, now it looks like a rectangle filled in by color and a label when it's done conventionally).  It is bad, bad, bad design to mask one object as though it were another.  It violates every rule in the book.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: User configuration directory

Roger Stewart
 

Don't think so. I just checked and I find an item on my installed copy saying explore user config. It's just in a different place. It's in app data under nvda but portable copy has user config in the nvda directory itself.

Roger









On 7/27/2018 4:58 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.

Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@...>:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage



Re: User configuration directory

Adriani Botez
 

On the installed copy the folder is called systemconfig. Only in portable copies the foldeer is called Userconfig.

Best
Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 27.07.2018 um 23:21 schrieb Tage Johansson <frans.tage@...>:

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


Re: User configuration directory

Richard Wells
 

Your user folder is in C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\nvda and just replace UserName with the name of the logged on user.


On 7/27/2018 4:21 PM, Tage Johansson wrote:
Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


User configuration directory

Tage Johansson
 

Hello!
Does anyone know where the NVDA user config directory usually is located. I tried to click on the item in the start menu, but it seams to be an empty file instead of a directory.
Thanks in advance!
Tage


Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I couldn't have said it any better. Yes, we all see things from different points of view. I know what you mean about pretending to be something you're not. It would be like me pretending to be sighted when I'm not. As far as looking at web pages, a person has to do what works best for him or her. There is no "right way" of looking at web pages. I know we haven't always agreed on some things but I do have a lot of respect for you. Thank you for this great message.


Rosemarie



On 7/27/2018 1:44 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

           No one is better at making a mountain out of a molehill than you are.

           You really need to consider "how you read," as it's clear to me that I am far from alone in my perception of your both your tone and the scope of your comments.

           As to my taking on "the sighted way" well, of course I do.  We are all the products of our sensory palettes.  I could no sooner pretend to understand what it is to be blind as a perceptual world than I could to pretend to understand what it is to be deaf, unable to taste or smell, or lacking touch or proprioception.  I am what I am, and I make no apology for that.  I also find your explanation of how you look at a webpage utterly alien to my own experience even when I'm looking at parts rather than the whole.  I tend to look at classes of objects because most webpages are presented arranged by such and, up until very recently, one could count on object types having very distinct visual presentations.  That's how most of them came to have their names, e.g, a button on screen looks like a button on a physical object (or at least it did until the recent flat look became all the rage, now it looks like a rectangle filled in by color and a label when it's done conventionally).  It is bad, bad, bad design to mask one object as though it were another.  It violates every rule in the book.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 



Re: nvda very laggy on some websites with latest chrome

Josh Kennedy
 

google chrome is being laggy.