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Re: Doing mathematics

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Thank you Rick! I have contacted the authorities, and I have got to know that i'm allowed the scribe of my choice and the use of an abacus during the exam. Further, a compensatory time of 20 minutes per hour will also be provided to all visuallly impaired candidates.
i will look at the question papers and get in touch with you again.
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: nvda very laggy on some websites with latest chrome

Peter Beasley
 

Just when onto the site using Chrome and had no problems.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 26 July 2018 18:15
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda very laggy on some websites with latest chrome

 

Hi,

On websites such as this one:

 

https://www.windowscentral.com/chime-surface-go-only-decent-10-inch-windows-tablet

 

NVDA is very very laggy almost to the point of the site is nearly unreadable and its frustrating to navigate the site. I am glad I have the cheap inexpensive jaws home use license and Microsoft narrator as backups when NVDA gets real laggy like this. But even so, could this please be fixed so NVDA is nice and snappy on websites?

 

Thanks

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

As two of us have pointed out in this thread. Maybe you need to remove Focus Highlight from the auto update as its clearly downdating it. I have just put back 5.2 and its now wanting to downdate it again. if we could lock out such add ons then that would be good.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #AddonRelease


Hi,

The add-on lives in Tools menu, not Preferences. Windows 10 App Essentials
won't be updated through this add-on because that add-on already has add-on
update facility.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply
add-onupdates #AddonRelease



Hi, all. Well, at the risk of sounding puzzled, I have the add-on mentioned
in the subject line installed. Yet when I check the preferences menu, I
can't find the add-on in the list. I only can find the Windows 10
essentials add-on. Thinking it wasn't installed correctly, I installed the
add-on again and found out that the add-on was already installed and do I
wish to install it again. Everybody else is able to use the add-on, so what
am I doing wrong to try to run it. Could it be that because I only have the
Windows 10 essentials add-on installed that the updater add-on can't run or
doesn't show in the list of add-ons? Oh, btw, the add-on is installed in a
folder called downloads where I have various and sundry executables.
Thanks.






Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi I have an issue. The whole system locks up with this message when its updating.
Cannot install NVDA add-on from C:\Users\Brian\Downloads\addonUpdater-18.08.nvda-addon.
You must be running NVDA to be able to install add-ons.

Now the thing is I would not be installing tthem in any other way, now would I?
I had to close this system message blind as nvda stopped. This was a portable of the latest alpha. Not tried it on the beta ofr stable yet, but thought I'd let you know.

Cannot install NVDA add-on from C:\Users\Brian\Downloads\addonUpdater-18.08.nvda-addon.
You must be running NVDA to be able to install add-ons.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #AddonRelease


Hi,

The add-on lives in Tools menu, not Preferences. Windows 10 App Essentials
won't be updated through this add-on because that add-on already has add-on
update facility.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply
add-onupdates #AddonRelease



Hi, all. Well, at the risk of sounding puzzled, I have the add-on mentioned
in the subject line installed. Yet when I check the preferences menu, I
can't find the add-on in the list. I only can find the Windows 10
essentials add-on. Thinking it wasn't installed correctly, I installed the
add-on again and found out that the add-on was already installed and do I
wish to install it again. Everybody else is able to use the add-on, so what
am I doing wrong to try to run it. Could it be that because I only have the
Windows 10 essentials add-on installed that the updater add-on can't run or
doesn't show in the list of add-ons? Oh, btw, the add-on is installed in a
folder called downloads where I have various and sundry executables.
Thanks.






Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #addonrelease

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Can you just select the ones you want to update. i do not really want to change a couple of them for my own reasons.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #AddonRelease


Hi,

Yes. This is partly due to the add-ons server.

Cheers,

Jsoeph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene New
Zealand
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 1:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply
add-on updates #AddonRelease



Hi Joseph



Just tried the add on and it works well.



I did notice on one of the add ons 7 of them out of 8 had updates and you
could see the number going up to the latest add on but noticed one of them
went down a number like 5.1 to 5.0 would that just mean stable?

I think it was the focus high lighter one.

It is nice and easy to use.

Gene nz

On 7/30/2018 7:02 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,



I'm delighted to announce the immediate release of Add-on Updater that
brings one of the frequently requested features to life: ability to check,
download, and apply community add-on updates:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html



To use this add-on, after installing it, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Check for
add-on updates. If updates are found, a list of updates will be shown with
an option to update add-ons. After installing add-on updates, say "yes" when
asked to restart.



The following add-ons are excluded from add-on update check via this add-on
because they provide their own add-on update feature: Braille Extender,
StationPlaylist Studio, WeatherPlus, Windows 10 App Essentials. Also,
add-ons not hosted on community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org)
are also excluded.



Cheers,

Joseph








Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

IE it says...

Focus Highlight; Current version: 5.2; New version: 5.0

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #AddonRelease


Hi all,



I'm delighted to announce the immediate release of Add-on Updater that
brings one of the frequently requested features to life: ability to check,
download, and apply community add-on updates:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html



To use this add-on, after installing it, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Check for
add-on updates. If updates are found, a list of updates will be shown with
an option to update add-ons. After installing add-on updates, say "yes" when
asked to restart.



The following add-ons are excluded from add-on update check via this add-on
because they provide their own add-on update feature: Braille Extender,
StationPlaylist Studio, WeatherPlus, Windows 10 App Essentials. Also,
add-ons not hosted on community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org)
are also excluded.



Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #addonrelease

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Joseph, Focus Highlight i have is version 5.2, but it is asking me to downdate to 5.0 on the updater. Could it be that the latest version of Focus Highlight is not on the site yet, as the author let me have the latest version outside of the web site. It might be a bug though if it thinks an earlier version is later than a later one already installed of any add on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 8:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #AddonRelease


Hi all,



I'm delighted to announce the immediate release of Add-on Updater that
brings one of the frequently requested features to life: ability to check,
download, and apply community add-on updates:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html



To use this add-on, after installing it, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Check for
add-on updates. If updates are found, a list of updates will be shown with
an option to update add-ons. After installing add-on updates, say "yes" when
asked to restart.



The following add-ons are excluded from add-on update check via this add-on
because they provide their own add-on update feature: Braille Extender,
StationPlaylist Studio, WeatherPlus, Windows 10 App Essentials. Also,
add-ons not hosted on community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org)
are also excluded.



Cheers,

Joseph




Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

 

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best


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Re: Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I seldom use it, but on an unknown page whose size and layout cannot be known, it can be very handy to see what there is on the page more easily as a simple list of the various objects. It also helps to see if any are not labelled and hence may cause issues.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA


Hi all!
I agree with Gene!
I never use the elements list, because it is easier for me to press the short cut key for that element right on the web site. I can figure out where the different heading levels are, so I can just start pressing the number two over and over if I know I want to see all material on the web page at the second heading level.
I look up health stuff for Traci all the time, on web sites I have never been on, and I arrow around a bit, and then start using H for heading and K for link, for example.
I have just never used the links list, in NVDA or JAWS!
David Moore

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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: Gene; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

One more message in this thread from me. I wasn't going to write any more in this thread but after trying the links list again, I see more serious disadvantages of it and I think they should be addressed.

Those interested in the topic may find useful information as well. In addition, since NVDA volunteers create instructional material, the following may contribute to better material.

Now, let's consider the disadvantages I spoke of.

First, you may have to select the structure you want to look for. Let's take the Google page for an example. If you were on a different page the last time and were searching through links, this time, on Google, you first have to select headings as the structure you want to search through. So we are already at two extra and completely unnecessary steps.

One, open the links list. Two, select headings as the structure you want to use which requires shift tabbing once and down arrowing once, then tabbing back to the list. So that is actually three completely unnecessary steps.
Now, you down arrow through the headings. When you find a result you want to know more about before going to the actual page the heading/link leads to, you do the following:
You have to use the move to command, alt m. This moves you to the heading/link and you are now returned to the web page. You now can down arrow through the information about the result or read it as you wish. As I said you are back on the web page. The headings list doesn't move you to the heading as you move through the list. You have to move to the heading. So this is yet another completely unnecessary step.

If you just want to follow the link without looking at any additionall information, you do alt m, then enter. Either way, you execute the alt m command, a completely unnecessary command, as I said.

So let's review. You want to look through results on Google. You do a search for a topic.
You open the links list. If you used it as a links list last time, you shift tab once, down arrow once to set it to headings, tab once, and start down arrowing through the headings. Google results are links that are shown as both headings and links. Once you get to one you want to follow, you have to issue the command alt m, then press enter. Or, if you want to see the additional information for the result to help you decide if you want to follow the link, its alt m then read the results.

Now, consider the alternative.
Go to Google, do a search and when the results page comes up do the following:
Type the letter h repeatedly. That command moves you through the headings exactly as you would move if you were using the headings list but you don't have to issue an unnecessary command and take one or both hands off the main keyboard to issue the NVDA f7 command to open the list. Nor do you do any of the other unnecessary steps I outlined above.
All you do is type the letter h repeatedly. When you get to a heading you want to see aditional information about, you just read the information, which is right under where you are.
Or you just press enter to follow the link.
So do search, type h until you get to a heading that interests you, and either read the results or just press enter. That description was very short because all those unnecessary steps were eliminated.

Since h moves through headings exactly as the headings list does, where is the advantage to the list?
Since the letter k allows you to move from link to link without leaving the page and you move from link to link, exactly as you do in the links list, where is the advantage of the links list?

You accused me of making a mountain out of a molehill. Really? When there are the kinds of important differences I've outlined? And you accuse me of being rigid. I have presented a factual, detailed discussion supporting my argument.

If people want to use these lists, they may, of course, do what they want. But because I make a strong case for what I consider to be best practices and best teaching practices, that does not make me dictatorial or rigid. I'm not forcing anyone to do anything. But I am presenting a detailed, reasoned argument which I consider to be very strong.

I've observed the kinds of problems a lot of blind people have using the Internet for years. I've done a little advising and teaching. I've seen that one of the crucially important things to teach is the importance of context, to not just open a web page and read every page from the top, nor to tab through it and that's all, but rather to work with a page in a way to accomplish what you want to accomplish. What you do on a page may differ considerably depending on what you are doing, whether it is a familiar page or not, and what is on the page. There may be pages where you start from the top and read some or all the page. there may be pages where you use the find command, find something like a link and follow it. There are pages where you might do other things. But a lot of people do things like just tab through a page or just start reading or don't look effectively for what they want to find on a page if they know in advance what it is. And they don't change what they do, they treat pages in the same way.

The links list reinforces all the undesirable predispositions I've observed that I consider essential for good instruction to dispel and guard against. Note carefully that I didn't say people shouldn't be taught the links list. Nor did I say they shouldn't use it. I said that people should not be taught the links list until after they have fully mastered web page navigation and how to decide how to work with a web page, depending on what kind of page it is and what they want to do on the page. If the links list is studied before that time, it reinforces all the wrong habits students may have adopted in the past or may be tempted to adopt before they have learned why they are bad habits. The idea of the links list is sudductive. When I first heard about it, while I was still learning page navigation, it sounded wonderful. But as I learned, I realized how pernicious it is to teach it before the student is ready to learn it without detrimental effect.

Of course, if a student doesn't learn well using techniques and approaches I generally teach, I would use other approaches and methods. I am discussing what I consider to be best practices for most students.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

It may be that I don't understand how sighted people see web pages but it is certainly different than the way a blind person encounters it.

I don't know if I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. And I don't think your characterization is correct about my having a tendency to do so.

I fail to see why you are so defensive and hostile on this subject. I'm making two or three main points and your messages support them even though you are at least to an extent, arguing against them.

The thread began with you explaining a difficulty you are having with increasing numbers of web sites where a structure appears visually as one thing and to the screen-reader as something else. You discussed how you had problems using one of the screen-reader lists to move through the cart in part because a structure appears different visually than it appears to a screen-reader and you were using the links list so the structure was not seen.

My point is that if you don't use the links list, but use the methods I discussed, the search command, or tabbing through the cart, you won't have the problem. and you won't have it on other sites. Your own message argues for what I am saying.

I explained my strong view that the links list shouldn’t' be used on unfamiliar pages.
I said it detracts from effective teaching because it uses completely artificial constructs and removes the user from the page. And I said that it shouldn't be taught until the student has thoroughly mastered navigation using the web page itself.

To this, and to my concrete examples and very specific arguments, you wrote a quarrelsome, almost attack that maybe some day it will occur to me that there are other ways of doing things than mine. That is completely beside the point and irrelevant. I made a very good case for my views and why I think they are by far best practices. Attacking me and accusing me of rigidity won't win the argument. You haven't given any specific counterexamples or arguments against what I said except that different people are different. That has nothing to do with best practices. If you don't generalize about best practices and try to account for exceptions that don't represent the general, how can you teach anything?

I've done a little teaching. If the person had problems understanding or working in the way I think is the best practice to teach, I would use other methods.

And I didn't prescribe or say that people have to use this or that method. I discussed using the find command, move by headings, skip blocks of links commands, and move by button. Hardly rigid. I'm giving different ways of movement that one may use depending on circumstances and page layout and on how you want to work with the page. I also said specifically that if you want to know a lot about what is on a page, you may want to read some or all of the page.

I discussed the mouse because you attacked me as being rigid and dictatorial. I didn't do so as an attack, however, And you don't have to apologize for anything. But it is certainly the case that a sighted person may approach something In not necessarily the best manner for a blind person to learn because of thinking of things as perceived in the sighted way. I didn't say you generally do this. It doesn't appear to me that you do. And I am not discounting the value of getting sighted help when useful or important. But my point still stands.

But based on twenty years of Internet use, thinking about what works well and what doesn't, and observing the kinds of problems many blind people have using the Internet, I dispute the amount of emphasis you seem to place on use of the mouse to get a picture of the web page.

If you are interested, I will discuss what I consider the most effective way to give blind people an understanding of the way a sighted person sees a web page layout as compared with a blind person, using browse mode which reformats the page.

Your tone has been increasingly hostile and dismissive. If you want to answer, I'll give you the last word. I've pretty much said everything I have to say and you may have a response. I think people pretty well have decided what they think of our differences so I won't keep arguing various points.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon.com "Cart" page with JAWS & NVDA

Gene,

No one is better at making a mountain out of a molehill than you are.

You really need to consider "how you read," as it's clear to me that I am far from alone in my perception of your both your tone and the scope of your comments.

As to my taking on "the sighted way" well, of course I do. We are all the products of our sensory palettes. I could no sooner pretend to understand what it is to be blind as a perceptual world than I could to pretend to understand what it is to be deaf, unable to taste or smell, or lacking touch or proprioception. I am what I am, and I make no apology for that. I also find your explanation of how you look at a webpage utterly alien to my own experience even when I'm looking at parts rather than the whole. I tend to look at classes of objects because most webpages are presented arranged by such and, up until very recently, one could count on object types having very distinct visual presentations. That's how most of them came to have their names, e.g, a button on screen looks like a button on a physical object (or at least it did until the recent flat look became all the rage, now it looks like a rectangle filled in by color and a label when it's done conventionally). It is bad, bad, bad design to mask one object as though it were another. It violates every rule in the book.
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Re: VFO not complimentary about NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

You’d probably be violating some work policy too, installing your own software.  They often also disable the use of USB sticks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 20 July 2018 01:54
To: Nvda List List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] VFO not complimentary about NVDA

 

At the time I didn’t know about it. I think I did ask about that as well, and if I remember the answer was no. And there was no room on the surface thing all the usb slots were taken. These guys really wanted me to use jaws, and I told you  the rest of what hapepned in another post.  I’m actually kind of glad I left although I will miss the kids. They never go the typing programs and stuff I set up to work, but oh well.



On Jul 19, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

Sarah,

         Although it is not the perfect solution, could you not have used NVDA portable?   I've really grown to love portable versions when I run up against the "we won't install it" attitude.  I have yet to work in a business environment where you can't use a jump drive, though.

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           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 


Re: Problem with NVDA and Braille input

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Brailleback on Android seems to suffer similar issues, so I’m guessing it’s the Liblouis Braille tables which are not up to scratch.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: 20 July 2018 00:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with NVDA and Braille input

 

I've noticed similar issues with my BrailleNote Touch, and I have my braille table set to Grade 2. I mostly use my qwerty keyboard for typing and the Touch for proofreading and editing. The backspace, space, and enter keys work as they should with NVDA, but if there is some way to input braille with the Perkins-style keyboard on my Touch and have it come out right, that would be nice.


Re: Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Although this message is really off topic for this list, I will point out one error in it.

 

The phone is on Marsh Mallow, not Kitkat or Lollipop.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: 19 July 2018 21:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

 

I wonder if this is the phone that the kapsys phone is based on. It is an Android phone running either Kitkat or Lollypop and has a touch screen on the top section and keys on the lower section.  Kapsys has superimposed their own skin and a suite of specialized talking apps. They're selling it for around $500 with a GPS system added on for another $300. This is the French company that marketed a handheld GPS navigation device called the Kapten.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:29 AM

Subject: [nvda] Smartphones with Keypads or Keyboards

 

This seems to me to be worthy of a spin-off topic of its own.

If you're not looking for a phone where you want a full keypad for texting, but would like a dial pad for calling, and want an Android device all rolled into one there's the Freetel Musashi FTJ161A
which is hugely expensive, but one of a kind as far as I know since it can act as a full smartphone with touch screen on the top half and still has a standard dial pad on the bottom half.  (For more on this device see:  https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Freetel+Musashi+flip+phone)  Freetel tried to enter the US market in 2016/2017 but pretty much failed in that attempt.  Their what-was-then-flagship standard smartphone, the Samurai Kiwami, can now be had for under $100, and it works fine on T-Mobile's GSM network and should do the same for Verizon.  It is, however, still an Android Lollipop (5.1) device out of the box and since Freetel has left the US market ongoing support cannot be expected.

This web search returns many options for currently available smartphones with keyboards, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Smartphone+with+keyboard, and this one for smartphones with keyboards and touchscreens, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=smartphone+with+keyboard+and+touch+screen.
There is, of course, a huge amount of overlap between those two lists.
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Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-on updates #addonrelease

Jacob Kruger
 

Joseph, using your try build of NVDA: try-w10-15530,16facaf1


And, there's no additional menu item under tools, etc., for this add-on?


Stay well



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On 7/29/2018 9:02 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the immediate release of Add-on Updater that brings one of the frequently requested features to life: ability to check, download, and apply community add-on updates:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html

 

To use this add-on, after installing it, go to NVDA menu/Tools/Check for add-on updates. If updates are found, a list of updates will be shown with an option to update add-ons. After installing add-on updates, say “yes” when asked to restart.

 

The following add-ons are excluded from add-on update check via this add-on because they provide their own add-on update feature: Braille Extender, StationPlaylist Studio, WeatherPlus, Windows 10 App Essentials. Also, add-ons not hosted on community add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org) are also excluded.

 

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: Reading web pages

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Some of you might love this: You can create a configuration profile, set it up so that it triggers exactly when the "read all" function is used, and turn all the document formatting information off in that profile only. Then it will just do the right thing automatically. Pretty much a set and forget solution.
Best,
Felix

zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> schrieb am So., 29. Juli 2018 um 14:56 Uhr:

hi.
i disabled reporting all items in document formatting and love nvda
much more with these settings!
if i want to know whether unknown item is link or not, just i press nvda tab.
it also announces discription of the link for me.

On 7/29/18, Mark Reynolds <mdtreynolds@...> wrote:
> Thanks John - that's brilliant
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Re: NVDA Backup

Quentin Christensen
 

Once you've made a portable copy, you can use it more or less like an installed copy.  The differences are that there are some limitations on where it will work - for instance, you can't use a portable copy on the logon screen.  Once you have reinstalled Windows however, you can reinstall NVDA from the portable copy by running the portable copy, opening the Tools menu again, and this time there will be an "Install NVDA" option.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:50 PM, E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens@...> wrote:
   Thanks. That part was easy. After I do the restore, and upgraded to the latest version of NVDA, how do I use that portable copy? Thanks much.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/29/2018 7:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
HI E.T.

 From NVDA's "Tools" menu (press NVDA+n, then T) choose "Create Portable Copy" (Press C or arrow to it and enter).

Specify a directory to save to, and be sure to check "copy current user configuration".

When restoring Windows 7, you will need have Windows 7 SP1 for the current version of NVDA to run (from NVDA 2018.4 and later).

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:56 AM, E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io <mailto:ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io>> wrote:

    Howdy folks,
        I need to restore an old Windows 7 VM and would like to know if
    there is a way to backup NVDA settings which includes the Code
    Factory add on. Thanks.

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    it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan






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Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Follow-up: in the end, I plan to teach Windows 10 App Essentials to respect Add-on Updater and yield add-on update feature to Add-on Updater. At the moment this cannot be done because Windows 10 App Essentials will use a custom check to detect if you need regular or pilot development snapshots.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

The add-on lives in Tools menu, not Preferences. Windows 10 App Essentials won’t be updated through this add-on because that add-on already has add-on update facility.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #AddonRelease

 

Hi, all.  Well, at the risk of sounding puzzled, I have the add-on mentioned in the subject line installed.  Yet when I check the preferences menu, I can’t find the add-on in the list.  I only can find the Windows 10 essentials add-on.  Thinking it wasn’t installed correctly, I installed the add-on again and found out that the add-on was already installed and do I wish to install it again.  Everybody else is able to use the add-on, so what am I doing wrong to try to run it.  Could it be that because I only have the Windows 10 essentials add-on installed that the updater add-on can’t run or doesn’t show in the list of add-ons?  Oh, btw, the add-on is installed in a folder called downloads where I have various and sundry executables.  Thanks. 


Re: NVDA Backup

E.T.
 

Thanks. That part was easy. After I do the restore, and upgraded to the latest version of NVDA, how do I use that portable copy? Thanks much.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/29/2018 7:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
HI E.T.
From NVDA's "Tools" menu (press NVDA+n, then T) choose "Create Portable Copy" (Press C or arrow to it and enter).
Specify a directory to save to, and be sure to check "copy current user configuration".
When restoring Windows 7, you will need have Windows 7 SP1 for the current version of NVDA to run (from NVDA 2018.4 and later).
Regards
Quentin.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:56 AM, E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io <mailto:ancient.aliens=icloud.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Howdy folks,
   I need to restore an old Windows 7 VM and would like to know if
there is a way to backup NVDA settings which includes the Code
Factory add on. Thanks.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan
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Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #addonrelease

 

Hi,

The add-on lives in Tools menu, not Preferences. Windows 10 App Essentials won’t be updated through this add-on because that add-on already has add-on update facility.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Massey
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #AddonRelease

 

Hi, all.  Well, at the risk of sounding puzzled, I have the add-on mentioned in the subject line installed.  Yet when I check the preferences menu, I can’t find the add-on in the list.  I only can find the Windows 10 essentials add-on.  Thinking it wasn’t installed correctly, I installed the add-on again and found out that the add-on was already installed and do I wish to install it again.  Everybody else is able to use the add-on, so what am I doing wrong to try to run it.  Could it be that because I only have the Windows 10 essentials add-on installed that the updater add-on can’t run or doesn’t show in the list of add-ons?  Oh, btw, the add-on is installed in a folder called downloads where I have various and sundry executables.  Thanks. 


Re: Introducing Add-on Updater: check, download, apply add-onupdates #addonrelease

Michael Massey <massey52@...>
 

Hi, all.  Well, at the risk of sounding puzzled, I have the add-on mentioned in the subject line installed.  Yet when I check the preferences menu, I can’t find the add-on in the list.  I only can find the Windows 10 essentials add-on.  Thinking it wasn’t installed correctly, I installed the add-on again and found out that the add-on was already installed and do I wish to install it again.  Everybody else is able to use the add-on, so what am I doing wrong to try to run it.  Could it be that because I only have the Windows 10 essentials add-on installed that the updater add-on can’t run or doesn’t show in the list of add-ons?  Oh, btw, the add-on is installed in a folder called downloads where I have various and sundry executables.  Thanks. 


Re: NVDA Backup

Quentin Christensen
 

HI E.T.

From NVDA's "Tools" menu (press NVDA+n, then T) choose "Create Portable Copy" (Press C or arrow to it and enter).

Specify a directory to save to, and be sure to check "copy current user configuration".

When restoring Windows 7, you will need have Windows 7 SP1 for the current version of NVDA to run (from NVDA 2018.4 and later).

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:56 AM, E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens@...> wrote:
Howdy folks,
   I need to restore an old Windows 7 VM and would like to know if there is a way to backup NVDA settings which includes the Code Factory add on. Thanks.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Ancient.Aliens@...
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Twitter: @NVAccess