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Re: adding a regular expression dictionary entry

 

Giles,

          For the record, if the line of periods is really a line of periods with no intervening spaces in it, Mr. Tew's suggestion for the regular expression is safer.  It requires that the string begin with four successive periods, followed by any number of additional periods.  If you have a correctly formed elipsis it will not match his regular expression, but it will match the one I gave.

          This becomes more than a bit of a trick because you're trying to capture something that might be formatted any of several ways depending on the publisher, but you want to avoid snagging an elipsis in regular text when they occur.

          If there's any possibility of spaces intentionally being intermixed with the periods, and you want to be sure that there is a minimum of a series of four, my original regular expression could be modified to:   /(\.+\s|\.*){4,}/g 
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Re: question about nitro pdf

Brice Mijares
 

Nitro came reinstalled on my Lenovo laptop. Used it a couple time then removed it from my system and installed acrobat reader DC.

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If somebody tells us where the latest version is, somebody will try it perhaps?
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about nitro pdf
I haven't heard of it either.
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I've never even heard of it, is it supposed to be accessible and what does it offer that the adobe program does not or that the webbie reader cannot manage?
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about nitro pdf

Hi all! does anybody know how to use nitro pdf with nvda? specifically how
to read pdfs with it?
Thanks in advance,
Nick.




Re: adding a regular expression dictionary entry

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks for those suggestions, they work a treat! :)


Re: adding a regular expression dictionary entry

Brian Tew
 

I suggest the following:

\.\.\.\.\.*

and the matching expression be one space.

This will delete any group of four or more periods but leave elipses alone.


Re: question about nitro pdf

Mallard
 

I looked for it, but was unable to download it from anywhere.

Ciao,

Ollie

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If somebody tells us where the latest version is, somebody will try it perhaps?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question about nitro pdf


I haven't heard of it either.



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I've never even heard of it, is it supposed to be accessible and what does it offer that the adobe program does not or that the webbie reader cannot manage?
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about nitro pdf


Hi all! does anybody know how to use nitro pdf with nvda? specifically how
to read pdfs with it?
Thanks in advance,
Nick.












some questions about NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

  1. Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?
  2. What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?
  3. As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?
  4. In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app, even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?
  5. In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?
  6. In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA for it
  7. Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the

Future!

Keep the NVDA alive!

Thanks.

Regards

Abdul muhamin

Chief Content Officer at

Blind Help Project


Re: question about nitro pdf

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If somebody tells us where the latest version is, somebody will try it perhaps?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about nitro pdf


I haven't heard of it either.



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Subject: Re: [nvda] question about nitro pdf

I've never even heard of it, is it supposed to be accessible and what does it offer that the adobe program does not or that the webbie reader cannot manage?
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] question about nitro pdf


Hi all! does anybody know how to use nitro pdf with nvda? specifically how
to read pdfs with it?
Thanks in advance,
Nick.




Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

John Isige
 

Weirdly, apparently Skype 8 will run on XP SP3, Microsoft notes"• If
you're using Windows XP SP3, make sure you're using Internet Explorer 8
or higher." But I'm going to guess the day will come when that stops. It
would really surprise me if Microsoft did anything specific to make it
run on XP, I'm guessing it just happens to be the case that nothing
they've done has broken running under XP yet. But sorry, it's going to
die eventually. Less and less newer stuff will run under XP as time goes
on. Maybe ReactOS can get itself together eventually and everybody can
switch to that, LOL! Although I did see lately that they're bringing in
stuff from wine, so maybe that means more stuff will actually work. But
I still see stuff about installs hanging on the ReactOS screen, so
there's that. I might see if I can make a virtual machine of it just to
see if a version of NVDA will actually do anything. Oh wait ... hmmmm. I
wonder if I have an old system around? They've got a live CD and, in
theory, I could boot that and run NVDA off of the HD, there's no way I'm
letting it anywhere near real data.

On 8/1/2018 0:37, zahra wrote:
hi.
since my favorite version of windows is only windows xp, and i cant
use and accept newer versions of windows, what is the alternative and
replacement program for skype without need and forcing update and
support all versions of windows, accessible with nvda for voice call
and sending and recieving text messages?
thanks for any help, God bless you!

On 8/1/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
what are the other choices, that work.



On 8/1/2018 1:54 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype"
more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a
lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for other
more usable choices in my opinion.


On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of
major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are
right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward has
screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not evolve
their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and probably
using a different programmer which means bad documentation of
previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long history
in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would
properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new
versions on blind people as production programs.  I don't go around
crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an
improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for
alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months
or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If
proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should
extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't
supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always
going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there
doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate
audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for
speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not
all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who
have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the
ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t
use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go
into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker
settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is
that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as
well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my
headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast
enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in
time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear
to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an
incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop,
the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to
listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything
else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an
outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself
on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the
hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I
haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to
find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be
super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call
forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone
numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome
based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings
and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association,
but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating
around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still
rough
to say the least.


















Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

abdul muhamin
 

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something is wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

 

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

 

From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 30 July 2018 09:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

 

Hi,

 

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

 

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

unfortunately i dont have android mobile to use whatsapp.
i need a messenger like skype which supports voice call and chat messages.

On 8/1/18, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@gmail.com> wrote:
Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger, among others.  Cheers!


On 1/8/2018 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
what are the other choices, that work.



On 8/1/2018 1:54 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype"
more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a
lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for
other more usable choices in my opinion.


On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of
major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are
right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward
has screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not
evolve their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and
probably using a different programmer which means bad documentation
of previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long
history in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would
properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new
versions on blind people as production programs. I don't go around
crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an
improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for
alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months
or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If
proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should
extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't
supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always
going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version,
there doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a
separate audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for
speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not
all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who
have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the
ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t
use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can
go into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker
settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is
that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as
well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my
headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast
enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window
in time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to
appear to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an
incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m
not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual
desktop, the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to
listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as
described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything
else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an
outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate
myself on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the
hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far,
I haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to
find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be
super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call
forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how
the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone
numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome
based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings
and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file
association, but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating
around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious
functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s
still rough
to say the least.






















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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Rosie - creating a new folder in my music drive

Nancy Shackelford
 

Oh good! Glad it worked; I was pretty sure it still worked with Win 10.

Nance

On 8/1/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I got the latest version of windows 10. I did create the folder in my music
drive with control shift N and it worked.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy
Shackelford
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Rosie - creating a new folder in my music drive

U got Win 7? or later? Control shift N should bring up the field where you
type name of your folder.

Nance

On 7/28/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



I just downloaded 3 books from another list I'm on but I can't
remember how to create a new folder for them in my music drive. I
tried everything from alt N to alt V but nothing has worked. Any
suggestions?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie









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Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger, among others.  Cheers!

On 1/8/2018 12:37 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
what are the other choices, that work.



On 8/1/2018 1:54 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype" more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for other more usable choices in my opinion.


On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward has screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not evolve their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and probably using a different programmer which means bad documentation of previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long history in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new versions on blind people as production programs. I don't go around crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough
to say the least.



















Re: Rosie - creating a new folder in my music drive

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I got the latest version of windows 10. I did create the folder in my music drive with control shift N and it worked.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Rosie - creating a new folder in my music drive

U got Win 7? or later? Control shift N should bring up the field where you type name of your folder.

Nance

On 7/28/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



I just downloaded 3 books from another list I'm on but I can't
remember how to create a new folder for them in my music drive. I
tried everything from alt N to alt V but nothing has worked. Any suggestions?



Thanks for your help in advance.



Rosemarie









--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

hi.
since my favorite version of windows is only windows xp, and i cant
use and accept newer versions of windows, what is the alternative and
replacement program for skype without need and forcing update and
support all versions of windows, accessible with nvda for voice call
and sending and recieving text messages?
thanks for any help, God bless you!

On 8/1/18, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
what are the other choices, that work.



On 8/1/2018 1:54 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype"
more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a
lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for other
more usable choices in my opinion.


On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of
major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are
right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward has
screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not evolve
their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and probably
using a different programmer which means bad documentation of
previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long history
in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would
properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new
versions on blind people as production programs.  I don't go around
crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an
improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for
alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months
or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If
proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should
extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't
supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always
going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there
doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate
audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for
speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not
all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who
have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the
ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t
use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go
into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker
settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is
that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as
well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my
headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast
enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in
time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear
to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an
incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop,
the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to
listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything
else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an
outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself
on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the
hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I
haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to
find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be
super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call
forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone
numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome
based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings
and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association,
but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating
around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still
rough
to say the least.




















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

 

what are the other choices, that work.

On 8/1/2018 1:54 PM, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype" more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for other more usable choices in my opinion.


On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward has screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not evolve their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and probably using a different programmer which means bad documentation of previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long history in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new versions on blind people as production programs.  I don't go around crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough
to say the least.

















Re: Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 released #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Good news: If you are using Add-on Updater add-on, Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 will show up when you check for add-on updates.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: joseph.lee22590@... <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:09 PM
To: 'nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io' <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Subject: Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 released #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/enhancedTouchGestures/releases/tag/18.08

 

At the moment this update isn’t showing up via Add-on Updater due to the fact that add-on server has failed to update its files list on time. In the meantime, this version adds a compatibility layer to support future NVDA releases, including 2018.3.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

I boycotted skype since Microsoft took over.  I found the "New Skype" more of a problem than a joy, so I ditched it.  Anyway, there are a lot more Messaging apps these days, and Skype can be skipped for other more usable choices in my opinion.

On 31/7/2018 6:54 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I agree. It seems to take companies twice as long to fix issues of major impact to the blind compared to the sighted. Also you are right, and its particualrly true of Skype that every step forward has screwed up something that used to work. They obviously do not evolve their software, the recreate it from scratch every time and probably using a different programmer which means bad documentation of previous cock ups, since this call answering issue has a long history in Skype, its a now you have it now you don't feature.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


A lot of these sorts of problems could be avoided if companies would properly beta test accessibility before foisting inferior new versions on blind people as production programs.  I don't go around crying discrimination, but this sort of thing, releasing an improperly evaluated version and making blind users responsible for alerting companies about problems, then having companies take months or longer to correct problems, is blatantly discriminatory.  If proper evaluation and beta testing is done in general, it should extend to accessibility.  I guess separate is not equal isn't supposed to extend to blind people.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Initial Skype for desktop 8 feedback


Hmph, its obvious that skype 7 is more accessible and usable and less
crappy than skype 8 I do hope they fix it.

In the mean time I may have to get chrome and use hangouts or whats app
or something.




On 7/31/2018 11:16 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Hello list,

So, some initial feedback after updating to Skype 8.x

Muscle memory issues with the new keystrokes aside which are always going to
take a bit getting used to, I’m finding certain aspects to be quite
frustrating. I’ve already written Microsoft about some of this via the
feedback option in the app as well as on Twitter.

Anyway, the immediate thing is that with this updated version, there doesn’t
seem to be any means to have the Skype ringer alert go to a separate audio
source like external or PC speakers. There’s only one option for speakers
which if you’re using a headset, which I’m pretty sure most if not all of us
are using is the only viable option. More so for those of us who have a paid
number. The end result is that when you get an incoming call, the ringer
quite easily drowns out anything Jaws (in my case) may say. I don’t use the
audio ducking feature as I find it to be too distracting. One can go into
the speaker settings in Skype and lower the volume or the speaker settings
in Windows 10 to lower Skype volume, but all that accomplishes is that in
addition to the ringer being lowered, the call audio is lowered as well.
Also, I’ve already twice missed an incoming call because I took my headset
off for this or that reason and didn’t hear the ringer alert fast enough
through the headset to put it back on and get to the Skype window in time to
pick up.

I had mentioned previously that the hotkeys also no longer to appear to be
universal. Indeed, this is the case. So now, when you get an incoming call,
you have to scramble to the Skype window since at least for me, I’m not
taken there automatically and if I’m in a different virtual desktop, the
taskbar short cut win key plus X, Y or Z won’t work and try to listen to
figure out if I’m finally in the Skype window which again, as described
previously, isn’t as easy since the ringer is drowning everything else out.
The few times I’ve had a chance to take an incoming call and used the
control plus shift plus P command, Skype actually initiates an outgoing call
as well as answering the incoming call. This . . . has proven to be
problematic to say the least.

More than once already, I’ve found myself trying to orientate myself on the
Skype screen to maybe tab to the answer button instead of using the hotkey
to avoid this issue with answering/making a duel call, but so far, I haven’t
been able to access the answer/accept call button in time.

This leads me into the other issue. I so far have not been able to find any
of the telephone settings for Skype. Settings in Skype appear to be super
basic. Nothing however for voicemail greeting, managing call forwarding and
or ringer time. I know I can probably if need be access some of these
features via the Skype web account, but talk about a needless step
backwards.

One other thing for Jaws users (I don’t use NVDA enough to know how the
dictionary manager works), I had a bunch of saved entries for phone numbers
to speak this or that clinic. It seems that the Skype app is Chrome based
so, they didn’t port over. I’m sure I can go into my Jaws settings and try
and play around with changing a dictionary manager file association, but
again, just another inconvenience.

IN broad terms, the app all in all seems accessible and navigating around
like a webpage is easy enough, but it lacks some serious functionality.

It is much easier to make calls, but receiving/answering… it’s still rough
to say the least.














Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 released #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Enhanced Touch Gestures 18.08 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/enhancedTouchGestures/releases/tag/18.08

 

At the moment this update isn’t showing up via Add-on Updater due to the fact that add-on server has failed to update its files list on time. In the meantime, this version adds a compatibility layer to support future NVDA releases, including 2018.3.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: adding a regular expression dictionary entry

 

Giles,

            I'm tired, and I just realized that you probably do want to hear the page number read.  Use this regular expression if that's the case:  /\.+\s|\.*/g
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: adding a regular expression dictionary entry

 

Giles,

           Try the following as the match string:    /\.+\s|\.*\d+/g

           and the replacement should be nothing.  This should cover either a straight line of periods with no intervening spaces embedded, or if there are spaces embedded, followed by any number of digits afterward.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel