Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something is wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 13:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Joseph,

Have you considered linking to the tech support series from nvaccess.org?

Thanks,

Mike

Hi all,

The third part of NVDA Tech Support: An Introduction is now available:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar3.mp3

This part talks about recognizing and troubleshooting common problems users may encounter as they use NVDA.

Also, the complete set of this webinar series is now available:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupport.zip

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 4:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Hi Joseph,

I have 2018.1.1 and no amount of opening or closing settings fixes it.

All the best

Steve

Hi,

Which version of NVDA do you have, and does reopening Settings app fix the problem?

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve

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Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

1.       Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?

2.       What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?

3.       As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?

4.       In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app, even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?

5.       In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?

6.       In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA for it

7.       Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the

Future!

Keep the NVDA alive!

Thanks.

Regards

Abdul muhamin

Chief Content Officer at

Blind Help Project

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve

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Hi,

Which version of NVDA do you have, and does reopening Settings app fix the problem?

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best

Steve

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Hi Quentin. Thanks for the reply. I’ll send the log. If that happened again. And yes. Creating that kind of algorithms is dangerous too. If you create an addon or something. The bots can use that. But in the newer version of Firefox. Which service should I use. As you know. The webvisum is gone. And it can no longer useable with latest Firefox. And about the flexible web. You can read about on this page

Thanks

Abdul Muhamin

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Then you may just need to use Safari for Rezillio, and Chrome for your
other browsing. VoiceOver is most optimized for Safari, as VoiceOver
and Safari are developed by Apple.

Preview builds of what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

I use the preview builds so yeah. And some sites like reddit go busy

There is no way to set up rezillio as a service in mac os by the way.
You get stuck with an inaccessibe html page you can’t even access to
add folders etc. I don’t know how to set it up as a service on windows
but yeah that was the advice I got from someone soemwhare lol!

On 1 Aug 2018, at 12:14, Walker, Michael E wrote:

I understand that you prefer Chrome, but we sometimes have to switch
browsers for certain services. I am not sure of the answer of setting
this up as a service. If that does not work for you, you might need
to use Safari for it. What issues are you having in Safari?

You might also check if there is a VoiceOver mailing list that would
be better suited for this topic. I mean better suited as in you may
be able to expand to a larger audience of just VoiceOver users, as
you are asking about Mac.

Good luck!
Mike

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Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

I just prefer chrome and safari right now has issues. Anywy, is there
a way to get rezilio sync working on mac this way I can use it on
both mac and windows and just sync stuff I need from one machine to
another when I need to. I heard you can set it up as a service and
getit out of the way but this is all new to me.

On 1 Aug 2018, at 12:03, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Sarah, why not use Safari instead of Chrome?

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Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

Wish that rezilio sync were accessible for mac os, but the author
does not want to do this even though he nows that we have isues. If
the interface were accessible wiht chrome I would use it but sadly I
don’
think it will be.

RIP

On 1 Aug 2018, at 11:28, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is way way way way and about 10 more ways overcomplicating
your case.


1. firefox, open your sync interface.

2. FInd folder you want removed. Hit capslock shift m on it.

3. BOttom of the screen with control end, you'll find a remove
link.
Click it.


All done.

No need to rebuild databases, remove indexes. That just hurts more
than helps in long term.

The only thing I do is remove the .zip and .log files in the
appdata
folder.




On 01-Aug-2018 1:24 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hi.

Is there a way for us blinks to disconnect and remove folders.

I have had one that hasn't downloaded much over ages due to slow
connection and download rate with users, etc.

Well suddenly it seems bt sync seems to be stuck trying to sync
it,
and not doing so unless its indexes are dammaged, I have killed
the
indexes but to be honest, if I could remove it from my sync that
would be fine, its not an important folder and I can probably
gleem
it from somewhere else, then again, I may just get rid of it
totally its not like something I need, there are other folders I
could just munge at this point.

However right now I need to rebuild my entire sync database.

I'd leave syncing completely and if it were not for ultrabit I'd
do
just that.

reality is though that because I am going to be replacing this box
sometimes this year and just want to keep it going, the easiest
way
out of this, is to delete my sync profile, uninstall resilio sync
and leave it at that.

I will retry today but if it doesn't work, I am going to probably
temperarily stop syncing my files at least for now.

Hi all,

The third part of NVDA Tech Support: An Introduction is now available:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupportWebinar3.mp3

This part talks about recognizing and troubleshooting common problems users may encounter as they use NVDA.

Also, the complete set of this webinar series is now available:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/NVDATechSupport.zip

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

That’s maybe I don’t’see that at all…if you speak about alpha versions…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 11:42

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>

This will help a lot. Thanks. After reading several reviews, I just ordered an Antenna called a No-cable from Amazon so look forward to trying this.
On 8/2/2018 6:16 AM, Stephen wrote:

Yes, I can press f2 from the main interface to get to live TV mode, and you can also press pg-up and pg-down to switch channels. I can't help out with the closed caption query though, sorry.
At 08:03 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:

Hi,

If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:

Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it

on.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.

.

Yes, I can press f2 from the main interface to get to live TV mode, and you can also press pg-up and pg-down to switch channels. I can't help out with the closed caption query though, sorry.
At 08:03 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:

Hi,

If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:

Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.

.

Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 11:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address
bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it
has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing.
Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very
restricted compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos
and pictures, when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have
to figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make
it act in

a sensible way?
Brian

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I'm checking out Next PVR but don't find it very accessible. First, no desktop shortcuts are installed so for me the quickest way of launching it is searching from the start menu for Next PVR which brings up the player as a Firefox document. However, when opening it, I find some slider controls along with several unlabeled buttons.

On 8/2/2018 6:03 AM, Aman Singer wrote:

Hi,
If I may ask, have you been able to watch live TV with Next PVR? I
found this very difficult but it's always possible I was missing something.
Further, have you managed to access closed captioning with Next or any other
application?
Thanks,
Aman

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software
NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to
record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:

Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the tvs being digital it may be easier to set an
apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio
descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including
samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to
memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define
what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite
radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer
could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv
or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program
guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally.
there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as
its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is
there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software

Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.

.