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Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi Steve, have you tried deleting the nvda directory under %appdata% I doubt it will work, but worth a try you will need to do this with another screen reader running. I am sure you know this let us know if it works.

On 02/08/2018 17:19, Steve Nutt wrote:
Chris, you still don’t win the price.
Updated to 2018.2.1 and still no settings.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Chris via Groups.Io
*Sent:* 02 August 2018 15:17
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Why not use the latest version of nvda first, see if that works out for you?
*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *02 August 2018 14:10
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Hi Joseph,
I have 2018.1.1 and no amount of opening or closing settings fixes it.
All the best
Steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* 30 July 2018 15:11
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Hi,
Which version of NVDA do you have, and does reopening Settings app fix the problem?
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Steve Nutt
*Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Hi,
Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all.  I do have App Essentials installed.
Any thoughts?  They are still voiced by JAWS.
Thanks.
All the best
Steve
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acronyms as words

Larry Silvermintz <silvermintz@...>
 

The voice I’m using in NVDA (TruVoice) is spelling-out any string that is all-capitals (i.e. acronyms) instead of pronouncing as single words.  TruVoice reads them as words with other screen readers.  How can I get NVDA to speak all-caps-strings as words?

 

 

Cheers, Larry S

Sarasota, FL

 


Re: some questions about NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Yep


I downloaded it and sussed it out. My wife who is sighted said she could not see any thing at all only the mouse.

I had a quick play with it on going through different screens and it done its job.


Now all it needs is to assign a short cut or gesture to turn it on and off. I guess that will maybe done in the next update to that add on?


It did make me laugh i had the monitor off as that is the way i usually do it no use having it on if you can not see it then called the wife. she said the monitor was off so she turned it on but it was black as apart from the mouse. got her to use the computer that way for a little then told her how to disable it.



It does it job.


Gene nz




On 8/3/2018 1:07 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hi again

I’ve seen the post on GitHub about Screen shade. And I’ve found the addon. And I must say, its working flawlessly. It should be implemented in NVDA it self

 

 

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From: abdul muhamin
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions about NVDA

 

Hi Quentin. Thanks for the reply. I’ll send the log. If that happened again. And yes. Creating that kind of algorithms is dangerous too. If you create an addon or something. The bots can use that. But in the newer version of Firefox. Which service should I use. As you know. The webvisum is gone. And it can no longer useable with latest Firefox. And about the flexible web. You can read about on this page

Thanks

Abdul Muhamin

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions about NVDA

 

Hi Abdul,

 

1) I haven't been paying attention, I'm not sure what Flexible web is?

2) There is a screen curtain feature being tested currently.  You can read more and try it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7857

3) Image description:  Good idea, There was an issue created awhile ago, but it doesn't appear anyone has looked at the current situation: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7671

4) Re OCR has gone downhill.  I'm not sure.  It's not even something that's easy to replicate

5) There are several performance issues with Office we are slowly working on.  If you have a particular one in mind, search for it on our Issue tracker and you will hopefully find a relevant conversation to follow: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

6) Unlikely.  The problem is that CAPTCHAs are designed to make you do something that proves you are a human, so bots and computer generated algorithms can't get past them.  Ergo, WE can't write an algorithm to defeat them (and if we do, they will change the test, because if we can, the spammers can too).  The best approach is to advocate for change in addressing the problem that CAPTCHA seeks to solve.

7) Not sure off the top of my head.  After it happens, if you could send me a copy of your NVDA log, ideally at debug level  (to info@... ) I can have a look and try for you.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:

Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

1.      Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?

2.      What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?

3.      As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?

4.      In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app, even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?

5.      In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?

6.      In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA for it

7.      Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the

Future!

Keep the NVDA alive!

Thanks.

Regards

Abdul muhamin

Chief Content Officer at

Blind Help Project



 

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Re: nvda and resilio sync

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use the preview build as it is much much faster and I can submit bug reports. By the way rezilio sync is not accessible at all on mac os. Check out youtube.com/marrie125 it’s up thre.

On 2 Aug 2018, at 5:17, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Why are you using a preview build of Safari instead of the stable version that comes with the Mac? I would expect that what is built into the Mac or comes with your Mac has had most bugs worked out by Apple.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

Preview builds of safari exist. Google for that. Actually rezilio is not accessible with mac os at all, nothing reads and the html area doesn’t work at all. I remember having the same experience on windows as well, but that was with the free plan for both machines. Ill have to try this again.

On 1 Aug 2018, at 13:13, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Then you may just need to use Safari for Rezillio, and Chrome for your
other browsing. VoiceOver is most optimized for Safari, as VoiceOver
and Safari are developed by Apple.

Preview builds of what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

I use the preview builds so yeah. And some sites like reddit go busy

There is no way to set up rezillio as a service in mac os by the way.
You get stuck with an inaccessibe html page you can’t even access to
add folders etc. I don’t know how to set it up as a service on windows
but yeah that was the advice I got from someone soemwhare lol!

On 1 Aug 2018, at 12:14, Walker, Michael E wrote:

I understand that you prefer Chrome, but we sometimes have to switch
browsers for certain services. I am not sure of the answer of setting
this up as a service. If that does not work for you, you might need
to use Safari for it. What issues are you having in Safari?

You might also check if there is a VoiceOver mailing list that would
be better suited for this topic. I mean better suited as in you may
be able to expand to a larger audience of just VoiceOver users, as
you are asking about Mac.

Good luck!
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

I just prefer chrome and safari right now has issues. Anywy, is there
a way to get rezilio sync working on mac this way I can use it on
both mac and windows and just sync stuff I need from one machine to
another when I need to. I heard you can set it up as a service and
getit out of the way but this is all new to me.

On 1 Aug 2018, at 12:03, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Sarah, why not use Safari instead of Chrome?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and resilio sync

Wish that rezilio sync were accessible for mac os, but the author
does not want to do this even though he nows that we have isues. If
the interface were accessible wiht chrome I would use it but sadly I
don’
think it will be.

RIP

On 1 Aug 2018, at 11:28, Tyler Wood wrote:

This is way way way way and about 10 more ways overcomplicating
your case.


1. firefox, open your sync interface.

2. FInd folder you want removed. Hit capslock shift m on it.

3. BOttom of the screen with control end, you'll find a remove
link.
Click it.


All done.

No need to rebuild databases, remove indexes. That just hurts more
than helps in long term.

The only thing I do is remove the .zip and .log files in the
appdata
folder.




On 01-Aug-2018 1:24 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Is there a way for us blinks to disconnect and remove folders.

I have had one that hasn't downloaded much over ages due to slow
connection and download rate with users, etc.

Well suddenly it seems bt sync seems to be stuck trying to sync
it,
and not doing so unless its indexes are dammaged, I have killed
the
indexes but to be honest, if I could remove it from my sync that
would be fine, its not an important folder and I can probably
gleem
it from somewhere else, then again, I may just get rid of it
totally its not like something I need, there are other folders I
could just munge at this point.

However right now I need to rebuild my entire sync database.

I'd leave syncing completely and if it were not for ultrabit I'd
do
just that.

reality is though that because I am going to be replacing this box
sometimes this year and just want to keep it going, the easiest
way
out of this, is to delete my sync profile, uninstall resilio sync
and leave it at that.

I will retry today but if it doesn't work, I am going to probably
temperarily stop syncing my files at least for now.



















Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Andy
 


For one thing, you have to be careful not to touch the dots when they are refreshing, or you get nonsense. it's wierd, but true. You have to be careful when touching something that is meant to be touched.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Hi Steve,

OT as it may be, what do you not like about the dotwatch?  I'm looking at it right now.  On paper it seems really nice, and it competes pretty well on price with the apple watch and most other smart watches out there as far as I can tell.  four cells is a bit small, but how many more cells can fit on a wrist anyway?

Interested to hear your thoughts as I've been really excited about it and seriously considering buying it.

Best,

Erik

On August 2, 2018 3:18:50 PM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Well the Dot Watch is pretty awful, so I won’t worry about that display.

All the best

Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 02 August 2018 18:44
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hmmm I have win7 as for my display, it does frequently lock up butt thats because I am using a beta driver of my amd card, the last release in fact before they upgraded, my card is no longer made anymore and thats one reason I may either replace the system soon or just role back to 2015 drivers, however, some newer games needed newer drivers.

sometimes things do go weird but just as well I am blind.

On 8/3/2018 6:36 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes but this is windows 7 too.
 I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix













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Re: using NVDA with BleachBit

 

To be honest ccleaner is not that bad.

The main panel sucks, but with the ini I have on dropbox and if you host it other places you in theory won't have a problem, if doing it your self you will need to have a sightling help you with the main panel but thats about it.

I would not recomend the installer of the program at this point though.

On 8/2/2018 10:10 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


I got curious and downloaded teh portable version of BleachBit for Windows.


Unfortunately it isn't accessible in itself, but it looks as if it can be used with the help of Windows10 OCR without too many problems.


It's a very thorough programme, at least at a quick glance. I don't feel safe trying it out without someone here to prevent me from messing up my system... So I'll wait till my husband is here before I do play with it more in depth.


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/08/2018 11:50, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William ha scritto:
Hi all,
As an open source alternative to ccleaner, are there any one who used BleachBit?
I would like to know if it is accessible with NVDA.
Thanks.
william







Re: Free, accessible TV software

 

Hmmm thats good to know.

I have a normal tv but if I ever happen to have a need to listen to tv on a device that would be a nice idea.

On 8/2/2018 9:45 PM, Stephen wrote:
NextPVR does all of that for you.
The channel scanning is extremely accessible, and setting the software to record via the web interface is a breeze.
At 07:28 PM 8/2/2018, you wrote:
Well if next pvr works with everything maybe thats fine.

Ofcause with all the  tvs being digital it may be easier to set an apple tv for tv viewing its a bit of a cost.

Or get used to your tv you have, not all channels can have audio descriptions and while some tvs do have accessibility in them including samsung ones, my 24 inch soni is not.

I got a sightling to set the tv and it works, ofcause you need to memorise the channels you need and then go for it.




On 8/2/2018 7:20 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think this is a big problem generally. The first thing is to define what tv system its to work with. National differences are quite radical, and of course the adaptor which is feeding the computer could be any from built in cards to usb dongles and online tv, Sat tv or terrestrial with all the different systems for AD and program guides in different parts of the world.
I do not think anyone has cracked it globally. there is still this tendency by the makers of this software that as its a visual thing, no point in making it work for blind people is there, kind of mindset.
 However if anyone does find such universal software then bring it on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "bob jutzi" <jutzi1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Free, accessible TV software


Anyone know of Win10 software for watching TV which works with NVDA?

If needed, I could revert back to Windows7 on my other system but if
possible, want this as a last resort.






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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Steve,

OT as it may be, what do you not like about the dotwatch?  I'm looking at it right now.  On paper it seems really nice, and it competes pretty well on price with the apple watch and most other smart watches out there as far as I can tell.  four cells is a bit small, but how many more cells can fit on a wrist anyway?

Interested to hear your thoughts as I've been really excited about it and seriously considering buying it.

Best,

Erik

On August 2, 2018 3:18:50 PM "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> wrote:

Well the Dot Watch is pretty awful, so I won’t worry about that display.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 02 August 2018 18:44
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, I use an Esys 12 to good effect when travelling.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: 02 August 2018 19:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io" <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

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Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Well the Dot Watch is pretty awful, so I won’t worry about that display.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 02 August 2018 18:44
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

 

Hi,

When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

 

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

I don't wait at all, settings loads instantly, but it doesn't read with screen readers that rely on UIA alone. Seems that Freedom Sci have hacked round it, as JAWS continues to work flawlessly with it.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

I don't have Any problems w/settings, although you do have to wait some time for the aplet to load. Arrow keys take you from 1 setting to the next, enter, then tab brings you to the list of settings in that particular group which can be modified. The only addons I have installed are Pico, remote, & TeamTalk classic. I am running the latest NVDA, though, & Narrator works w/it as well, so I'm wondering if this is something unique to your system.

On 8/2/18, Walker, Michael E <michael.e.walker3@boeing.com> wrote:
I agree with Joseph. If we have two screen readers failing, I would
definitely ask about it. Also, it often saves a lot of time when we
ask someone who knows versus trying to troubleshoot ourselves.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi,
If Narrator also fails to speak (if I read a previous message
correctly), then it might be time to ask folks at Redmond if UIA is to blame... again.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Yes, I use Windows Key I. I just get silence when I tab and blank
when I arrow up and down.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice
Mijares
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having
no issues.

On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS
for this one.

All th best


Steve

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muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this
app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this
is the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something
is wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

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*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

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*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


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Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

Yes, I do think it is a UIA issue. I don't think for a moment it's an NVDA issue, but why isn't everyone getting it who's on 1803?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Hi,
If Narrator also fails to speak (if I read a previous message correctly), then it might be time to ask folks at Redmond if UIA is to blame... again.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Yes, I use Windows Key I. I just get silence when I tab and blank when I arrow up and down.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having no issues.

On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS for
this one.

All th best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *abdul
muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this
app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is
the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something is
wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

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*From: *Chris via Groups.Io
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*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with
NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


Steve

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Re: Configuring Freeswitch and Google Voice

 

isn't that command line based?

how are you able to set that up? is there some sort of web gui on freeswitch?

I know that google voice made some changes about a month ago so you may not be able to get it to work


On 8/2/2018 11:50 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

Hello list,

So a follow up to a query I made on list a few weeks ago. Someone recommended as an accessible VOIP client Freeswitch. https://freeswitch.com/

I downloaded and installed it and it seems pretty basic, accessible  and easy to use which is great. My question is does anyone know how to configure Google Voice with it? Doing a quick search, I come up with: https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Google+Voice+API

Yeah, so a lot of that stuff laid out in that URL are things I’m not familiar with and seeing as how it’s going on two years old, I don’t know if anything’s changed for the better or worse.

Again, the FS client itself seems pretty nice  and accessible. It’s just getting the number properply configured for incoming and outgoing calls now I guess.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristóbal


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Configuring Freeswitch and Google Voice

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So a follow up to a query I made on list a few weeks ago. Someone recommended as an accessible VOIP client Freeswitch. https://freeswitch.com/

I downloaded and installed it and it seems pretty basic, accessible  and easy to use which is great. My question is does anyone know how to configure Google Voice with it? Doing a quick search, I come up with: https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Google+Voice+API

Yeah, so a lot of that stuff laid out in that URL are things I’m not familiar with and seeing as how it’s going on two years old, I don’t know if anything’s changed for the better or worse.

Again, the FS client itself seems pretty nice  and accessible. It’s just getting the number properply configured for incoming and outgoing calls now I guess.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Cristóbal


Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Annette Moore
 

I've had trouble with Explorer for a while now. If I get really frustrated, though, I just restart NVDA and that usually takes care of it. Reading through list view items, especially if I have more than one window open, is sometimes difficult. It's almost like Explorer has to catch up with me when I've entered on a list view. It won't read anything for a while, but if I sit here and wait long enough, it'll start reading my list of items. Dropbox is the worst for this behavior, and it's usually after I copied and pasted an item somewhere. that's usually when I restart NVDA. Sometimes I'll  just close all of my Explorer windows and reopen them, and that also takes care of it. It's the strangest thing, but I remember someone else on this list complaining about the same thing fairly recently. I don't recall, though, if he ever fixed it. It also doesn't happen all the time, just mostly when I happen to have two or three other windows open. So I've tried now to have only one or two things open at a time.

Annette


On 8/2/2018 4:34 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix

 

Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

 

Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix

 

Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
 I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
 Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


> Hello,
> I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
> When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
> announces
> "element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
> folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
> the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
> posting below.
> Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
> when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
> longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
> not,
> say, astrology.
> Here is that log excerpt now:
> name: ''
> role: ROLE_LISTITEM
> states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
> aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> hasFocus: False
> Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
> 0x05B786D0>
> Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
> 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
> <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
> 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
> description: ''
> location: None
> value: ''
> appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
> 5a151f0>
> appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
> appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
> TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
> windowHandle: 264856
> windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
> windowControlID: 0
> windowStyle: 0
> windowThreadID: 0
> windowText: u''
> displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
> UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
> UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
> UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
> UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
> Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
> UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
> Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
> UIA patterns available:
> All the best,
> Felix
>
>
>
>




Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

So the question is then, should we all be using the alpha build to see if that helps. At present i have the old master on the working installed copy of nvda, the one that will, I assume, end up as beta, and Alpha the old masterafter updates, on the portable version. i really do not notice much of a difference, to be honest.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Nvda can be silent when opening some programs and refreshing them if I doodle about a bit it happens but still I have noticed it to.




On 8/2/2018 7:46 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at 0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991, 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix




Re: dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

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So why stop at 16? Seems an odd choice to me.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@boeing.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA


You could write four-letter words, to be more concise for the smaller Braille display. ;-) Just kidding.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

But I often write words that are longer than that. Can such a small RBD really be useful?


From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com<mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>" <nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 1:47 PM
To: "nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>" <nvda@groups.io<mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
Subject: [nvda] dot mini low cost braille display and NVDA

Hi,
When the dot mini is released, will it also work with NVDA? The dot mini is being developed by the same people who make the dot watch with its 4-cell braille display, but the dot mini will have a 16-cell display.

https://dotincorp.com/product/dot-mini/



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Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

Tyler Wood
 

I've been having this happen for the past few windows 10 and NVDA builds.

It seems to really occur when copying, moving, or deleting files. Sometimes tabbing through the explorer window helps, sometimes a restart of NVDA is required. And when this happens it almost always breaks alt tabbing.

On 02-Aug-2018 1:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes but this is windows 7 too.
 I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item  get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the  computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the  one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with  the ability to  push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix













Re: Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer

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Yes but this is windows 7 too.
I am as you will see also having windows lock ups on two 7 machines and the only thing in common seems to be something to do with usb, but the add ons have been here for ages so its either nvda or a driver they updated about a few weeks ago, Intell I think.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hi,

Yes, I thought so. I’m hoping that there would be a resolution from both NV Access and Microsoft (a little hint: some of you are already testing a potential fix).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



It's build 1803, no insider build.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:34 Uhr:

Hi,

For Windows 10, this is build 17134, correct? If what I’m thinking is happening, then there might be some hope (later).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.

Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:30 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hi Joseph,

happens on Win 7 and 10. I could detect no correlation with restarting NVDA.

Best,

Felix



Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 11:28 Uhr:

Hi,

And does restarting NVDA resolve the problem for a while? If it does and if the problem happens again, then I think I know what might be going on. Also, which Windows version are you using?

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer



Hello,

no, the issue cannot be described in terms of delays. When feedback fails to occur, it will then simply not occur no matter how long I would wait. It is genuinely different behavior rather than just slowed down normal behavior.

Best,

Felix



Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> > schrieb am Do., 2. Aug. 2018 um 10:55 Uhr:

When cursoring up and down, does the selcted item get said after a delay,
and if so and you hear that, can you then select the file?

I had this with explorer both on windows 7 and 10, and it was the processor
in the computer actually not running at full speed. It seems on many
laptops the processor is slow to catch up with demand and hence the actual
selection is behind the one you think it is on, or worse, on nothing at
all!
I'm sure somebody else will respond but I had to go digging into advanced
power management and crank up the idle speed to at least 50 percent, it was
set at 10 percent, before acceptable results occurred.
Of course it could be something else, but this was the reason I found for
most of it. I would have thought that as nvda is hogging one core and hence
stopping the machine using it, Windows ought to sense it and up the speed of
the cores. It seems that this only happens sometimes when more than one core
is maxed out. I guess this might be because nvda is a 32 bit app, not a 64
bit one with the ability to push threads though different processor cores.
I'd welcome some more knowledgeable people to comment.
Brian

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From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com> >
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 8:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Intermittent lack of feedback in Windows Explorer


Hello,
I'd like to ask around if anyone else has noticed this disturbing trend:
When pressing enter on a folder in Windows Explorer, NVDA usually
announces
"element view list" followed by the name of the first element in that
folder. Often, however, NVDA remains silent. Requesting developer info for
the navigator object then yields something like the log excerpt I am
posting below.
Any ideas how I could make this behave? Being a child of the age of DOS,
when there is silence I usually wait because I assume my command takes
longer to complete. I know I'm pedantic, but then this is software and
not,
say, astrology.
Here is that log excerpt now:
name: ''
role: ROLE_LISTITEM
states: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen Abonnenten
aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
isFocusable: exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
hasFocus: False
Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA object at
0x05B786D0>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_UIItemListItemUIA'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIItem'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.ListItem'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)
description: ''
location: None
value: ''
appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1492) at address
5a151f0>
appModule.productName: u'Betriebssystem Microsoft\xae Windows\xae'
appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 264856
windowClassName: u'DirectUIHWND'
windowControlID: 0
windowStyle: 0
windowThreadID: 0
windowText: u''
displayText: exception: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x42cc2e8 at 5c5be40>
UIA automationID: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA frameworkID: DirectUI
UIA runtimeID: (1492, 217953568, 0)
UIA providerDescription: [pid:1492,hwnd:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified
Provider (unmanaged:EXPLORERFRAME.dll)]
UIA className: Exception: (-2147220991 <tel:(214)%20722-0991> , 'Ein Ereignis konnte keinen
Abonnenten aufrufen.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
UIA patterns available:
All the best,
Felix