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Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

The Gamages
 

Just to add to this, Jaws doesn't work for me either, NVDA says blank,
Jaws says nothing at all.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brice Mijares
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with
NVDA

Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having no
issues.

On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS for
this one.

All th best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *abdul
muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings
app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this app 2 or
more
times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is the problem
with the last security updates of win10. or something is wrong with
some
addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

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*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with
NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App
Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


Steve

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Windows Repair

E.T.
 

This is not directly related to NVDA so please reply off list if you will. I suspect there are some very knowledgeable folks here so am hoping for some badly needed help.

Internet Explorer under Windows 7 running in a virtual machine on the Mac crashes. I need to boot from the Windows 7 disc from the VM so I can run a repair. Since IE cannot be uninstalled this seems the only option. But there does not seem to be a way to actually boot from the disc in the VM.

So perhaps deactivate Windows, create a new VM and then reactivate it? Is this workable?

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it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan


Re: New Google results page??

Gene
 

I see no problems with how it works with scripts enabled.  There are some categories you can choose from above the main results such as images and others if you want to filter results in that way.  if you don't choose one, it uses the all results choice and, in the small number of tests I did, I found little or no difference.  More testing may reveal more significant differences with other searches but I'm skeptical and, though I'll keep an opened mind to good evidence, I doubt anything has changed to any extent.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??

hi.
as i tested, my guess was true and the behaviour of google for search
result is the same in compare to the previous times, when javascript
is disabled.
disable javascript in about:config of firefox or settings in google
chrome and it should works properly.
however, i only tested with firefox, not other browsers!

On 8/3/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I suspect that if you compare Google results to other search engines,
> Google will be better.  In addition, if people are concerned about privacy
> issues, you can get a lot more privacy by not being logged into your Google
> account when you search.
>
> Others may want to compare other search engines to Google.  One thing
> missing from the search engines I tried was a caching feature.  This is a
> very useful feature at times.  And the little comparison I've done, as I
> recall, it's been quite awhile, seemed to show, though I didn't do a lot of
> testing and this needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed, that I saw the most
> relevant results sooner in the list.
>
> and I'm not sure if these other sites show the address of where the link
> leads.  That is essential in today's security environment unless you know
> how to see where the link leads in other ways.
>
> I'd have to experiment to see if one method is better than another, that is
> if having the address right there on the page is meaningfully more
> convenient than using copy link location, then reading it from the clipboard
> by making the screen-reader read the clipboard content.
>
> As far as caching goes, it is invaluable if you are dealing with a web page
> that is a pdf page, or something like an rtf document.  Using the cached
> version opens a Google converted version of the document.  It is a standard
> web page.  it saves you conversion time or reading the document in a viewer.
>  It's right there as a web page.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arlene
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:58 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??
>
>
> Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it
> for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search
> engine I never used Google as the search engine.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
>   All maximizing a page does is make it larger.  it doesn't change content.
> I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading.  There
> are some different headings than before.  Then there is a heading that says
> something like web results.  I haven't done searches to compare, but the one
> or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results
> below the web content heading.
>
>   I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed.  See this article:
>   https://mashable.com/2018/03/05/google-testing-material-search-results/
>
>   Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to
> show results in terms of their order.  I doubt they would do it and this
> article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or
> against any major change.
>
>   Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences?
> The sections above web results are not the search results people have been
> using for years.  Those under the heading appear to be.
>
>   Gene.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>
>   From: Jaffar Sidek
>   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??
>
>
>   Hi.  I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results
>   criteria.  Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results.  A
>   few things you can try.
>
>   1.  Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page.  I
>   am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.
>
>   2.  try ending your search word or phrase with a  question mark, like
>   "Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"
>
>   3.  Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no
>   harm in clicking the page in question.  There might be textual answers
>   that might lead you somewhere.
>
>   4.  You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like
>   in page two or 3 of the search results.  Sometimes, patience can be a
>   virtue.
>
>   5.  If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the
>   patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other
>   search engines like Bing or Yahoo.  These are my strategies, and they do
>   work for me most times.
>
>   Cheers!
>   On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
>   > hi brian.
>   > i faced this issue in the recent days.
>   > even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
>   > finding the result became a little difficult.
>   > what is the solution to make previous behaviour?
>   >
>   > On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>   > <bglists@...> wrote:
>   >> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar,
> but
>   >>
>   >> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it
> has any
>   >>
>   >> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing.
> Unfortunately
>   >>
>   >> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very
> restricted
>   >> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and
> pictures,
>   >> when what I really want are articles and web sites.
>   >>
>   >> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have
> to
>   >> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it
> act in
>   >>
>   >> a sensible way?
>   >>   Brian
>   >>
>   >> bglists@...
>   >> Sent via blueyonder.
>   >> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>   >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>   >> in the display name field.
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: some questions about NVDA

 

hi.
i have only an acer laptop and wish to turn off the monitor.
can someone please help me how to do it?

On 8/3/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Yep


I downloaded it and sussed it out. My wife who is sighted said she could not
see any thing at all only the mouse.

I had a quick play with it on going through different screens and it done
its job.


Now all it needs is to assign a short cut or gesture to turn it on and off.
I guess that will maybe done in the next update to that add on?


It did make me laugh i had the monitor off as that is the way i usually do
it no use having it on if you can not see it then called the wife. she said
the monitor was off so she turned it on but it was black as apart from the
mouse. got her to use the computer that way for a little then told her how
to disable it.



It does it job.


Gene nz



On 8/3/2018 1:07 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:
Hi again
I’ve seen the post on GitHub about Screen shade. And I’ve found the addon.
And I must say, its working flawlessly. It should be implemented in NVDA it
self


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From: abdul muhamin<mailto:abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions about NVDA

Hi Quentin. Thanks for the reply. I’ll send the log. If that happened again.
And yes. Creating that kind of algorithms is dangerous too. If you create an
addon or something. The bots can use that. But in the newer version of
Firefox. Which service should I use. As you know. The webvisum is gone. And
it can no longer useable with latest Firefox. And about the flexible web.
You can read about on this
page<https://www.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/WebinarDetail/F0077>
Thanks
Abdul Muhamin

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From: Quentin Christensen<mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 12:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] some questions about NVDA

Hi Abdul,

1) I haven't been paying attention, I'm not sure what Flexible web is?
2) There is a screen curtain feature being tested currently. You can read
more and try it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7857
3) Image description: Good idea, There was an issue created awhile ago, but
it doesn't appear anyone has looked at the current situation:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7671
4) Re OCR has gone downhill. I'm not sure. It's not even something that's
easy to replicate
5) There are several performance issues with Office we are slowly working
on. If you have a particular one in mind, search for it on our Issue
tracker and you will hopefully find a relevant conversation to follow:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
6) Unlikely. The problem is that CAPTCHAs are designed to make you do
something that proves you are a human, so bots and computer generated
algorithms can't get past them. Ergo, WE can't write an algorithm to defeat
them (and if we do, they will change the test, because if we can, the
spammers can too). The best approach is to advocate for change in
addressing the problem that CAPTCHA seeks to solve.
7) Not sure off the top of my head. After it happens, if you could send me
a copy of your NVDA log, ideally at debug level (to
info@nvaccess.org<mailto:info@nvaccess.org> ) I can have a look and try for
you.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:55 PM, abdul muhamin
<abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com<mailto:abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all. Here are some questions I want to ask

1. Can we expect flexible web with NVDA in future?

2. What about the screen curtain addon for NVDA?

3. As you all know, Narrator has an image description feature, why we
doesn’t have this important feature in NVDA?

4. In the early updates of win10. When the win10 OCR implemented on
NVDA. It recognize almost everything, for example, the photos in photos app,
even I used it for reading video games menu. But now, its very laggy. And
doesn’t recognize as it was before. Why is that?

5. In Microsoft office 2013 or 2016, the NVDA has so many delays, while
reading, writing, and while reading the ribbon menus, why?

6. In the modern browsers like the Firefox quantum, solving captcha
images is the main issue for many vi people. Can we expect a feature in NVDA
for it

7. Last question, I’m using Microsoft mail app. And I’ve created a
sepret profile for it. Sometimes after reading or replying to a mail. When I
press windows plus m to move to the desktop. The NVDA stops reading
anything. And it force me to restart the NVDA, why?

I hope all of the above mentioned problems will be fixed in the
Future!
Keep the NVDA alive!
Thanks.
Regards
Abdul muhamin
Chief Content Officer at
Blind Help Project<http://www.blindhelp.net>



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Re: New Google results page??

 

hi.
as i tested, my guess was true and the behaviour of google for search
result is the same in compare to the previous times, when javascript
is disabled.
disable javascript in about:config of firefox or settings in google
chrome and it should works properly.
however, i only tested with firefox, not other browsers!

On 8/3/18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I suspect that if you compare Google results to other search engines,
Google will be better. In addition, if people are concerned about privacy
issues, you can get a lot more privacy by not being logged into your Google
account when you search.

Others may want to compare other search engines to Google. One thing
missing from the search engines I tried was a caching feature. This is a
very useful feature at times. And the little comparison I've done, as I
recall, it's been quite awhile, seemed to show, though I didn't do a lot of
testing and this needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed, that I saw the most
relevant results sooner in the list.

and I'm not sure if these other sites show the address of where the link
leads. That is essential in today's security environment unless you know
how to see where the link leads in other ways.

I'd have to experiment to see if one method is better than another, that is
if having the address right there on the page is meaningfully more
convenient than using copy link location, then reading it from the clipboard
by making the screen-reader read the clipboard content.

As far as caching goes, it is invaluable if you are dealing with a web page
that is a pdf page, or something like an rtf document. Using the cached
version opens a Google converted version of the document. It is a standard
web page. it saves you conversion time or reading the document in a viewer.
It's right there as a web page.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it
for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search
engine I never used Google as the search engine.



On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

All maximizing a page does is make it larger. it doesn't change content.
I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading. There
are some different headings than before. Then there is a heading that says
something like web results. I haven't done searches to compare, but the one
or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results
below the web content heading.

I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed. See this article:
https://mashable.com/2018/03/05/google-testing-material-search-results/

Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to
show results in terms of their order. I doubt they would do it and this
article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or
against any major change.

Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences?
The sections above web results are not the search results people have been
using for years. Those under the heading appear to be.

Gene.
----- Original Message -----

From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??


Hi. I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results
criteria. Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results. A
few things you can try.

1. Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page. I
am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.

2. try ending your search word or phrase with a question mark, like
"Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"

3. Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no
harm in clicking the page in question. There might be textual answers
that might lead you somewhere.

4. You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like
in page two or 3 of the search results. Sometimes, patience can be a
virtue.

5. If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the
patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other
search engines like Bing or Yahoo. These are my strategies, and they do
work for me most times.

Cheers!
On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi brian.
> i faced this issue in the recent days.
> even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
> finding the result became a little difficult.
> what is the solution to make previous behaviour?
>
> On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar,
but
>>
>> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it
has any
>>
>> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing.
Unfortunately
>>
>> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very
restricted
>> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and
pictures,
>> when what I really want are articles and web sites.
>>
>> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have
to
>> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it
act in
>>
>> a sensible way?
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>









--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: New Google results page??

Gene
 

I suspect that if you compare Google results to other search engines,
Google will be better.  In addition, if people are concerned about privacy issues, you can get a lot more privacy by not being logged into your Google account when you search. 
 
Others may want to compare other search engines to Google.  One thing missing from the search engines I tried was a caching feature.  This is a very useful feature at times.  And the little comparison I've done, as I recall, it's been quite awhile, seemed to show, though I didn't do a lot of testing and this needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed, that I saw the most relevant results sooner in the list.
 
and I'm not sure if these other sites show the address of where the link leads.  That is essential in today's security environment unless you know how to see where the link leads in other ways. 
 
I'd have to experiment to see if one method is better than another, that is if having the address right there on the page is meaningfully more convenient than using copy link location, then reading it from the clipboard by making the screen-reader read the clipboard content.
 
As far as caching goes, it is invaluable if you are dealing with a web page that is a pdf page, or something like an rtf document.  Using the cached version opens a Google converted version of the document.  It is a standard web page.  it saves you conversion time or reading the document in a viewer.  It's right there as a web page. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??

Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search engine I never used Google as the search engine.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
All maximizing a page does is make it larger.  it doesn't change content.  I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading.  There are some different headings than before.  Then there is a heading that says something like web results.  I haven't done searches to compare, but the one or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results below the web content heading. 
 
I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed.  See this article:
 
Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to show results in terms of their order.  I doubt they would do it and this article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or against any major change. 
 
Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences?  The sections above web results are not the search results people have been using for years.  Those under the heading appear to be.
 
Gene.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??

Hi.  I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results
criteria.  Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results.  A
few things you can try.

1.  Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page.  I
am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.

2.  try ending your search word or phrase with a  question mark, like
"Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"

3.  Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no
harm in clicking the page in question.  There might be textual answers
that might lead you somewhere.

4.  You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like
in page two or 3 of the search results.  Sometimes, patience can be a
virtue.

5.  If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the
patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other
search engines like Bing or Yahoo.  These are my strategies, and they do
work for me most times.

Cheers!
On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi brian.
> i faced this issue in the recent days.
> even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
> finding the result became a little difficult.
> what is the solution to make previous behaviour?
>
> On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but
>>
>> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any
>>
>> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately
>>
>> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
>> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
>> when what I really want are articles and web sites.
>>
>> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
>> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in
>>
>> a sensible way?
>>   Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: New Google results page??

Arlene
 

Hi there: You can also use startpage as your search engine. Been using it for years. I don't use Google and since I was given startpage as a search engine I never used Google as the search engine.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 8:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
All maximizing a page does is make it larger.  it doesn't change content.  I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading.  There are some different headings than before.  Then there is a heading that says something like web results.  I haven't done searches to compare, but the one or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results below the web content heading. 
 
I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed.  See this article:
 
Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to show results in terms of their order.  I doubt they would do it and this article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or against any major change. 
 
Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences?  The sections above web results are not the search results people have been using for years.  Those under the heading appear to be.
 
Gene.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??

Hi.  I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results
criteria.  Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results.  A
few things you can try.

1.  Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page.  I
am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.

2.  try ending your search word or phrase with a  question mark, like
"Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"

3.  Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no
harm in clicking the page in question.  There might be textual answers
that might lead you somewhere.

4.  You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like
in page two or 3 of the search results.  Sometimes, patience can be a
virtue.

5.  If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the
patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other
search engines like Bing or Yahoo.  These are my strategies, and they do
work for me most times.

Cheers!
On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi brian.
> i faced this issue in the recent days.
> even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
> finding the result became a little difficult.
> what is the solution to make previous behaviour?
>
> On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but
>>
>> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any
>>
>> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately
>>
>> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
>> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
>> when what I really want are articles and web sites.
>>
>> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
>> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in
>>
>> a sensible way?
>>   Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: New Google results page??

Gene
 

All maximizing a page does is make it larger.  it doesn't change content.  I do what I have done for years, use the letter h to move by heading.  There are some different headings than before.  Then there is a heading that says something like web results.  I haven't done searches to compare, but the one or two searches I've done seem to show the same or about the same results below the web content heading. 
 
I'm skeptical that the actual results have changed.  See this article:
 
Changing the results would mean a major change in how google decides to show results in terms of their order.  I doubt they would do it and this article not saying anything appears to be strong evidence against it or against any major change. 
 
Are you looking above the section of web results and seeing differences?  The sections above web results are not the search results people have been using for years.  Those under the heading appear to be.
 
Gene.
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New Google results page??

Hi.  I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results
criteria.  Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results.  A
few things you can try.

1.  Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page.  I
am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.

2.  try ending your search word or phrase with a  question mark, like
"Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"

3.  Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no
harm in clicking the page in question.  There might be textual answers
that might lead you somewhere.

4.  You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like
in page two or 3 of the search results.  Sometimes, patience can be a
virtue.

5.  If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the
patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other
search engines like Bing or Yahoo.  These are my strategies, and they do
work for me most times.

Cheers!
On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
> hi brian.
> i faced this issue in the recent days.
> even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
> finding the result became a little difficult.
> what is the solution to make previous behaviour?
>
> On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but
>>
>> now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any
>>
>> function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately
>>
>> if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
>> compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
>> when what I really want are articles and web sites.
>>
>> Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
>> figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in
>>
>> a sensible way?
>>   Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: New Google results page??

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I have noticed that Google has recently changed it's search results criteria.  Yes, there is more emphasis on video and pictoral results.  A few things you can try.

1.  Press the windows key plus up arrow to maximize the search page.  I am not saying it will yield better results, but it might help some.

2.  try ending your search word or phrase with a  question mark, like "Fishing lines?" or "Household Gadgets?"

3.  Even if you are given a video or picture search result, there is no harm in clicking the page in question.  There might be textual answers that might lead you somewhere.

4.  You might find your answer in a page other than the first one, like in page two or 3 of the search results.  Sometimes, patience can be a virtue.

5.  If all else fails, or if you are in a hurry and do not have the patience to persevere with Google Search, then resort to using other search engines like Bing or Yahoo.  These are my strategies, and they do work for me most times.

Cheers!

On 2/8/2018 4:02 PM, zahra wrote:
hi brian.
i faced this issue in the recent days.
even i go to google website and write and search my desire item, but
finding the result became a little difficult.
what is the solution to make previous behaviour?

On 8/2/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Its been a few days since i tried a google search from the address bar, but

now it comes up with a search choices with no apparent indication it has any

function, but it does and it then seems to get very confusing. Unfortunately

if you ignore it and use the search results list it seems very restricted
compared to how it was. It seems to be prioritising videos and pictures,
when what I really want are articles and web sites.

Is there any way to get the traditional system back or does one have to
figure out the new choices system after a log in to actually make it act in

a sensible way?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.





Re: List of Annotations in Word

kelby carlson
 

It sounds like this is an issue across the board, because it sounds like JAWS is having a very similar issue with Word and track changes.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 10:05 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

You're welcome - it used to be easier.  Those shortcuts have changed (and got longer) since I last used them.  

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Quentin,

Whanks for the shortcut. I have used the review tab, but wasn't aware how to bring up that list.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelby,

It is an issue we are aware of.  The issue and associated conversation are at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6297

Basically NVDA gives the process 20 seconds to run and if it hasn't finished in that time, it cancels it so that the user isn't left with an unresponsive system for too long.  We're looking into how we can improve that.

Word's reviewing pane lists all the track changes etc.  You can get to that from the reviewing pane, and the easy, quick and logical shortcut* to get to it is alt+r, z, t, t, p, enter

If you want to "clear" track changes so you can just see comments etc, you can press ALT+r, a, 2, s to accept all tracked changes and turn off tracking.

*Shortcut may or may not be easy, quick or logical

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:09 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
When I am in a Word document with a lot of annotations and press NVDA+F7, then check the radio buttons for "annotations" nothing shows up in the list. Is there a way to fix this?







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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: List of Annotations in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

You're welcome - it used to be easier.  Those shortcuts have changed (and got longer) since I last used them.  

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:51 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
Quentin,

Whanks for the shortcut. I have used the review tab, but wasn't aware how to bring up that list.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelby,

It is an issue we are aware of.  The issue and associated conversation are at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6297

Basically NVDA gives the process 20 seconds to run and if it hasn't finished in that time, it cancels it so that the user isn't left with an unresponsive system for too long.  We're looking into how we can improve that.

Word's reviewing pane lists all the track changes etc.  You can get to that from the reviewing pane, and the easy, quick and logical shortcut* to get to it is alt+r, z, t, t, p, enter

If you want to "clear" track changes so you can just see comments etc, you can press ALT+r, a, 2, s to accept all tracked changes and turn off tracking.

*Shortcut may or may not be easy, quick or logical

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:09 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
When I am in a Word document with a lot of annotations and press NVDA+F7, then check the radio buttons for "annotations" nothing shows up in the list. Is there a way to fix this?







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: List of Annotations in Word

kelby carlson
 

Quentin,

Whanks for the shortcut. I have used the review tab, but wasn't aware how to bring up that list.


On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:25 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelby,

It is an issue we are aware of.  The issue and associated conversation are at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6297

Basically NVDA gives the process 20 seconds to run and if it hasn't finished in that time, it cancels it so that the user isn't left with an unresponsive system for too long.  We're looking into how we can improve that.

Word's reviewing pane lists all the track changes etc.  You can get to that from the reviewing pane, and the easy, quick and logical shortcut* to get to it is alt+r, z, t, t, p, enter

If you want to "clear" track changes so you can just see comments etc, you can press ALT+r, a, 2, s to accept all tracked changes and turn off tracking.

*Shortcut may or may not be easy, quick or logical

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:09 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
When I am in a Word document with a lot of annotations and press NVDA+F7, then check the radio buttons for "annotations" nothing shows up in the list. Is there a way to fix this?







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: List of Annotations in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelby,

It is an issue we are aware of.  The issue and associated conversation are at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6297

Basically NVDA gives the process 20 seconds to run and if it hasn't finished in that time, it cancels it so that the user isn't left with an unresponsive system for too long.  We're looking into how we can improve that.

Word's reviewing pane lists all the track changes etc.  You can get to that from the reviewing pane, and the easy, quick and logical shortcut* to get to it is alt+r, z, t, t, p, enter

If you want to "clear" track changes so you can just see comments etc, you can press ALT+r, a, 2, s to accept all tracked changes and turn off tracking.

*Shortcut may or may not be easy, quick or logical

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 7:09 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
When I am in a Word document with a lot of annotations and press NVDA+F7, then check the radio buttons for "annotations" nothing shows up in the list. Is there a way to fix this?







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


List of Annotations in Word

kelby carlson
 

When I am in a Word document with a lot of annotations and press NVDA+F7, then check the radio buttons for "annotations" nothing shows up in the list. Is there a way to fix this?


Re: Free, accessible TV software

 

I may look at that.

On 8/3/2018 10:14 AM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Mystic Access recently held a class on accessible TV watching options, including software for Windows, Mac, IOS, and Android. This is probably archived on their website at www.mysticaccess.com ( http://www.mysticaccess.com ). They offer tutorials, products, and services designed with the blind in mind, so to speak, so you might want to check them out. Hope that helps.



Re: Strange Behavior with NVDA and groups.io Website

Jackie
 

Abbie, I'm replying from the website using the latest version of firefox. Reply is actually a link. Have you tried NVDA+f7 to see if you can find it that way? & what version of FF are you using? To send the msg, you can tab to & press either private or discard or reply to group, which are actually buttons.


Re: Strange Behavior with NVDA and groups.io Website

 

Abbie,

      I can't explain your issue with the Reply button, but I am wondering if you've considered one of the Daily Digest formats as opposed to the Daily Summary format.  Digests come out either when 12 messages have rolled in to the group or in the morning like the Daily Summary if less than 12 messages have come in during the prior day.  The digest format includes a "Reply to Group" mailto link that will fire up your e-mail client with the subject correctly formatted for a reply to the topic of the message you've clicked that link for.  You need not use the web interface.

      Not that I don't love hearing about someone using the web interface, but it is possible to avoid it if that's what you'd prefer.  You can also really limit the topics you allow in to your inbox by using advanced subscription preferences using the "Following only" option coupled with the "First message" option coupled with the "Auto follow replies" option.  That way you see only the first message in any topic and will never see another for that topic unless you either intentionally follow it or reply to it, in which case it will be followed as a result.  See:    Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

 

 
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Strange Behavior with NVDA and groups.io Website

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I don’t know if this is an issue with NVDA or the groups.io site, but I thought I would bring it up for what it’s worth. I subscribe to this and two other lists on this platform in daily summary mode to cut down on the number of messages that land in my in box. This means that the only way I can reply to a message is through the website. Today, I discovered that the Reply button is missing. I was in Firefox at the time. I switched to Chrome and then Internet Explorer before finally finding the reply button. How weird is that?

 


Re: Free, accessible TV software

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Mystic Access recently held a class on accessible TV watching options, including software for Windows, Mac, IOS, and Android. This is probably archived on their website at www.mysticaccess.com. They offer tutorials, products, and services designed with the blind in mind, so to speak, so you might want to check them out. Hope that helps.


Re: Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Steve, your system is 32 or 64-bit?
What version of Windows, Home, Professional or other?

Rui Fontes


Às 20:15 de 02/08/2018, Steve Nutt escreveu:

Hi Joseph,
Yes, I do think it is a UIA issue. I don't think for a moment it's an NVDA issue, but why isn't everyone getting it who's on 1803?
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Hi,
If Narrator also fails to speak (if I read a previous message correctly), then it might be time to ask folks at Redmond if UIA is to blame... again.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Yes, I use Windows Key I. I just get silence when I tab and blank when I arrow up and down.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: 02 August 2018 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with NVDA
Are these settings opened by hitting windows key I? if so, I'm having no issues.
On 8/2/2018 9:03 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi,

It is still broken with all add-ons disabled.

Update though, it is broken in Narrator as well. Glad I have JAWS for
this one.

All th best


Steve

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *abdul
muhamin
*Sent:* 01 August 2018 08:45
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

Hi all. I’ve noticed the same problem yesterday, sometimes. The
settings app is not readable by NVDA. However, you can restart this
app 2 or more times to make it readable. I don’t know, whether this is
the problem with the last security updates of win10. or something is
wrong with some addons, I doesn’t tri with addons disable

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10

*From: *Chris via Groups.Io
<mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent: *Monday, July 30, 2018 7:18 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible
with NVDA

First things first, try a restart of windows

If that don’t work , restart nvda with addons disabled

See how that goes

*From: *Steve Nutt <mailto:steve@comproom.co.uk>
*Sent: *30 July 2018 09:55
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Windows 10 Settings applet no longer accessible with
NVDA

Hi,

Using Windows 10 V1803, I notice that when you tab round in settings
now, none of the lists or tabs are voiced by NVDA at all. I do have
App Essentials installed.

Any thoughts? They are still voiced by JAWS.

Thanks.

All the best


Steve

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