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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

I should add, and others with more technical knowledge will, I hope, comment on this, that when I try to connect to the site using Google, I get a message that a secure connection can't be established and no connection is allowed.  I can connect on Firefox.  I don't know if the site is actually insecure enough to worry about or if an older protocol is being used that Google doesn't work with any longer because it isn't as secure as whatever is generally being used these days.  If you are going to send personal information to the site, you might want to wait until more information is available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

The links appear to work.  But you won't know it unless you look below the links.  For convenience, move to the repetition of links like getting started, install a server, choose a server, and I'm not sure if there are any other repeated ones
Press enter on one of the repeated links.  I say to use them because they are so much closer to the content.  Then look down from there.  Try getting started first. 
Now go back to the join a server link and follow that one.  Look down and you will see that the page has changed. 
 
If you try to follow a link to a server at some point, you will see a registration form.  You may have to wait a little but it will come up. 
 
I haven't looked at the site in enough detail to be sure it is accessible enough to use but the links do work.  They are like links in a FAQ where, once you follow them, part of the page changes and part of it doesn't.  But you won't know that part of the page has changed unless you start looking down.  for example, following one link changes the page so you will see something that says whatever the name is for organizations.  Following another link shows text that says whatever the name is for individuals. 
 
If you wish, you can see if you can do what is necessary to sign up and use the service.  But the links do work.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

I was mistakenly looking at another site someone asked about in the last day or two.  I'm not sure if it was on this list.  So disregard my messages of the last hour or two.  I'm looking at the other site now. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:49 PM, Gene wrote:
What does the link say?
It's the Get Started Link (that visually masquerades as a button).  It is announced as "Get Started".  And I'm talking about the https://joinmastodon.org/ webpage.
 
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

The links appear to work.  But you won't know it unless you look below the links.  For convenience, move to the repetition of links like getting started, install a server, choose a server, and I'm not sure if there are any other repeated ones
Press enter on one of the repeated links.  I say to use them because they are so much closer to the content.  Then look down from there.  Try getting started first. 
Now go back to the join a server link and follow that one.  Look down and you will see that the page has changed. 
 
If you try to follow a link to a server at some point, you will see a registration form.  You may have to wait a little but it will come up. 
 
I haven't looked at the site in enough detail to be sure it is accessible enough to use but the links do work.  They are like links in a FAQ where, once you follow them, part of the page changes and part of it doesn't.  But you won't know that part of the page has changed unless you start looking down.  for example, following one link changes the page so you will see something that says whatever the name is for organizations.  Following another link shows text that says whatever the name is for individuals. 
 
If you wish, you can see if you can do what is necessary to sign up and use the service.  But the links do work.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

I was mistakenly looking at another site someone asked about in the last day or two.  I'm not sure if it was on this list.  So disregard my messages of the last hour or two.  I'm looking at the other site now. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:49 PM, Gene wrote:
What does the link say?
It's the Get Started Link (that visually masquerades as a button).  It is announced as "Get Started".  And I'm talking about the https://joinmastodon.org/ webpage.
 
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    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

Rusty Perez
 

Hi folks,
I've installed the screen curtain add on.

It appears to be running when I go in to the add on manager, but it
doesn't appear just under the tools menu. Also, it does not appear
when I search for it in the gestures / tools area.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

On 8/8/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


have a look on the following page these are add ons under development
and has the add on updater as well as the screen curtain one and more.
The link to this page is https://addons.nvda-project.org/dev.en.html


Gene nz



On 8/9/2018 2:41 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Where do you find this screen curtain?

On 8/8/2018 7:22 AM, Andre Vosloo wrote:
Hi Joseph

What a great add-on thanks very much.  Will assign a hot key soon.

regards

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*Christo de Klerk
*Sent:* 08 August 2018 11:19 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

Hey Joseph

The add-on works like a charm on my Lenovo laptop. I have also set up
a toggle hotkey, Windows key+s in my case. I am thrilled about this
add-on, because I often have to work with confidential information
and one never knows when there might be prying eyes around.

Excellent work!

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/08 11:08 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

    Hi Joseph. Good work. After updating to the latest version of this
    addon, it announces screen kirtan on and off. I’ve added a keyboard
    shortcut also. Alt plus caps lock plus s.

    Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
    Windows 10

    *From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
    *Sent: *Wednesday, August 8, 2018 9:09 AM
    *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
    half anhour, website entry will return at the same time

    Hi,

    Gesture assignment: yes, it should be mentioned, and I’ll do just
    that for Screen Curtain for the next release (in September).

    Cheers,

    Joseph

    *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
    *Gene New Zealand
    *Sent:* Tuesday, August 7, 2018 9:04 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain August 7th build: to go live in
    half an hour, website entry will return at the same time

    Hi Joseph

    Just downloaded the screen curtain add on hearing screen curtain on
    and off i like that much better than the beeps.

    I also checked out the documentation as well and had a quick read.

    I think maybe some people may know or some will not that you can
    asign a short cut key to turn it on and off. There was no mention in
    the help section or where to go if you are a new user of the add on.

    I Until i looked under the gestures section then tools then screen
    curtain i did not know where this could be done.

    Some people may not be aware you can asign a gesture to some of the
    add ons.

    Do you reckon it needs to be mentioned or not just looking at it
    from a new user.

    Gene nz

    On 8/8/2018 6:31 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

        Hi all,

        Screen Curtain August 7^th build will hit the air in about half
        an hour from now. This build includes following changes as a
        result of basic add-on review:

          * Settings: now configurable. You can now ask NVDA to not
            enable screen curtain when it starts (default behavior from
            now on). Also, the add-on is ready for configuration profile
            switches – that is, you can enable or disable screen curtain
            while in certain situations (using an app, for example).
          * Documentation: greatly improved. It now mentions new
            settings, toggle state, and a link to the actual NVDA issue
            is provided.
          * Toggle messages: instead of playing a tone whenever screen
            curtain is toggled, a message will be spoken and brailled.
            The tone will be heard if screen curtain is enabled when
            NVDA starts.
        Also, this add-on will once again show up on add-ons website
        under development section as it has gone through basic review
        process.

        Thank you.

        Cheers,

        Joseph






Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

I was mistakenly looking at another site someone asked about in the last day or two.  I'm not sure if it was on this list.  So disregard my messages of the last hour or two.  I'm looking at the other site now. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:49 PM, Gene wrote:
What does the link say?
It's the Get Started Link (that visually masquerades as a button).  It is announced as "Get Started".  And I'm talking about the https://joinmastodon.org/ webpage.
 
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Re: The Way NVDA Announces Punctuation As I Type

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Will,

You are correct re apostrophe being treated as a word break when speaking typed words.  There is an issue open for it, which doesn't appear to have had any updates lately: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6215  I've just commented on it myself.

Re speaking punctuation as you type but not as you read, as Gene noted, press NVDA+p to change NVDA's punctuation level while reading only.  It has four states, None, Some, Most and All.  The higher the level, the more punctuation gets read, and the lower the level, the less gets read when reading.  When typing, if speak typed characters on, NVDA will read any punctuation character you type, regardless of the punctuation level.  This doesn't quite work in with the way you want to work if you want to have speak typed characters off unfortunately.  I can't think of a way of having NVDA read the punctuation characters that you type without reading the letters as well.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:07 AM, Wilco <w.norman@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m a relative NVDA newby just trying to navigate my way through the transition from JAWS.

 

One thing I’m struggling with a bit is the way NVDA speaks as I am typing. For instance, if I want to type a word with an apostrophe in it, as soon as I hit the apostrophe key, NVDA announces the word to that point, and then announces the rest of the word when I press space at the end.

 

So don’t is  spoken as don t, which is kind of off-putting when word processing.


Is there any way around this?

 

I have NVDA set to only announce words when I type.

 

Also, if possible I’d quite like NVDA to announce punctuation that I type, but not punctuation as I read. So I might want the reassurance of hearing NVDA say period or question mark when I enter them at the end of a sentence, but I wouldn’t want it to read out every full stop and question mark in text that I am simple browsing or reading.

 

Any thoughts welcome.

 

Cheers, Will.




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Re: How to click on links when they won't click

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:49 PM, Gene wrote:
What does the link say?
It's the Get Started Link (that visually masquerades as a button).  It is announced as "Get Started".  And I'm talking about the https://joinmastodon.org/ webpage.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

Also, the site appears to have some blind users already.  I see this quote on the home page:
Attention Braillenote users, please email rayndarren@... rather than trying to create a character. One will be created for you.
That implies that there are blind users using browsers.  As I say, aside from trying to solve this problem, I think we should see if your problem is more general.  If you send us another  page where you can't click links, people can try. 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

What does the link say?  I saw a link yesterday that I can't find now so I'm not sure if I am looking on the right page.  Is it on the home page? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 
               Gene, what happens when you activate that link?   When I activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link activation makes the page scroll to.

                If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

                It's just plain weird, weird, weird.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

What does the link say?  I saw a link yesterday that I can't find now so I'm not sure if I am looking on the right page.  Is it on the home page? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 
               Gene, what happens when you activate that link?   When I activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link activation makes the page scroll to.

                If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

                It's just plain weird, weird, weird.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Win10 startup and NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi All,

Does anyone experience this: 

After I turn on my laptop, enter my password, it goes to the desktop and NVDA voice comes up;

Then a long silence during which no key works;

then a message announcing the size of the window;

then long silence; and finally the desktop is working. 

Is there anyone to disable the announcing of the window size?  Any other suggestion?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:

If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 

               Gene, what happens when you activate that link?   When I activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link activation makes the page scroll to.

                If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

                It's just plain weird, weird, weird.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

You said you are having increasing problems with links not working.  I'm not just pursuing the question for this site.  You may have a more general problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hi Gene, maybe I should just forget it.

Thank you very much for the help..

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Are you using any popup blockers or ad blockers or noscript or anything that may be causing this problem?  If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

I'm not sure where the link was that took me to the page with menus earlier.  But in general, links I've followed have worked correctly, regardless of how the site looks visually and the menu I opened, I believe I had to turn browse mode off to open it and keep browse mode off to move through the menu, worked properly. 
 
If you, Brian, haven't worked with the site using NVDA, which I assume is the screen-reader being used, you may have a very different perspective if you do.
 
I'm not saying there aren't problems, I haven't looked at that much of the site, but the FAQS I read parts of read properly, the create a character page reads properly and so far, in my looking at this and that, things either worked properly or I could get them to work, as I described with the menus. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hi.  Yes I think the person who refered me to it is a bit sighted so that is probably why she could do it.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

            I can activate the Get Started link (which, by the way, is another of those loathsome "link disguised visually as a button" objects),but what it does is something I've never seen (literally) before:  It just slides you down the page so that you are placed, without focus on anything, in an area of the page just below two menu buttons, the first of which is a dropdown for "I am" (you're presented with a list of occupations) and the second "I speak."  Immediately below that is a scrollable table (layout wise, but not as a table object) of various sites, with a collection of links for each one.

            This page is just bizarre.  If you can see it's easy enough to figure out certain parts of it, but even then overall it does not follow anything that I'd call a recognizable convention for web coding that I've ever encountered.   It's overall design is beyond awful.

             If you are determined to try to work with these folks I would definitely give their mobile app a try and then give them a businesslike earful about just how awful their website is from an accessibility perspective.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

 

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 06:27 PM, Gene wrote:
If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 
               Gene, what happens when you activate that link?   When I activate it, whether by regular mouse click or in a screen reader, the end result is dead silence and, in the case of a screen reader, with no object having focus anywhere in the visible area where the link activation makes the page scroll to.

                If I were not able to see exactly what's happening, and what NVDA "sees" as happening via the Focus Highlight add-on, I'd definitely think that activating that link "did nothing" and repeated space bar presses or hits of enter after activating it initially do nothing more since nothing's got focus where they clearly intend for the user to begin picking from two dropdown lists.

                It's just plain weird, weird, weird.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hi Gene, maybe I should just forget it.

Thank you very much for the help..

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Are you using any popup blockers or ad blockers or noscript or anything that may be causing this problem?  If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Mallard
 

By the way, my Firefox just updated to 61.0.2, and now Ctrl+D works as expected. Who knows what was wrong... Never mind; the main thing is that the problem solved itself.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 10/08/2018 00:25, Scott VanDeWalle ha scritto:

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

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*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:59 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be. Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Scott VanDeWalle <mailto:scottvandewalle2@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox.

Scott

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*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Scott VanDeWalle <mailto:scottvandewalle2@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app.

Thank you

Scott

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*From: *Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind./

           ~ Richard Dehmel


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hi.  Yes I think the person who refered me to it is a bit sighted so that is probably why she could do it.

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

            I can activate the Get Started link (which, by the way, is another of those loathsome "link disguised visually as a button" objects),but what it does is something I've never seen (literally) before:  It just slides you down the page so that you are placed, without focus on anything, in an area of the page just below two menu buttons, the first of which is a dropdown for "I am" (you're presented with a list of occupations) and the second "I speak."  Immediately below that is a scrollable table (layout wise, but not as a table object) of various sites, with a collection of links for each one.

            This page is just bizarre.  If you can see it's easy enough to figure out certain parts of it, but even then overall it does not follow anything that I'd call a recognizable convention for web coding that I've ever encountered.   It's overall design is beyond awful.

             If you are determined to try to work with these folks I would definitely give their mobile app a try and then give them a businesslike earful about just how awful their website is from an accessibility perspective.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

Are you using any popup blockers or ad blockers or noscript or anything that may be causing this problem?  If the site is coded so unconventionally, as Brian says, who knows what is causing the problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Yes I tried turning off browse mode and then clicking, no luck, however I notice the links say visited link, so I find that strange also.

Take care

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 5:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

            I can activate the Get Started link (which, by the way, is another of those loathsome "link disguised visually as a button" objects),but what it does is something I've never seen (literally) before:  It just slides you down the page so that you are placed, without focus on anything, in an area of the page just below two menu buttons, the first of which is a dropdown for "I am" (you're presented with a list of occupations) and the second "I speak."  Immediately below that is a scrollable table (layout wise, but not as a table object) of various sites, with a collection of links for each one.

            This page is just bizarre.  If you can see it's easy enough to figure out certain parts of it, but even then overall it does not follow anything that I'd call a recognizable convention for web coding that I've ever encountered.   It's overall design is beyond awful.

             If you are determined to try to work with these folks I would definitely give their mobile app a try and then give them a businesslike earful about just how awful their website is from an accessibility perspective.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Gene
 

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a problem with your system, I don't know what it might be.  Did you do the test of turning off browse mode and clicking links?  We need to determine if this is a UIA problem or something else. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 

 

 


Re: How to click on links when they won't click

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hmmm, that is strange.  I’ve used both chrome and firefox. 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

What browser are you using?  I had no problem clicking on links, including that one and the FAQ link.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Hello, I’m just trying to click on the get started link so I can sign up for an account.  I guess if all else fails, I will just have to sign up using a mobile app. 

Thank you

 

Scott

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to click on links when they won't click

 

Scott,

        The site you list has another twist on the hover over theme but it's not hover over.   That page is, overall, one of the most complex I've encountered in a long time.

         It's difficult to know what to experiment with.  If you have a specific control you'd like for me to explore to start let me know what it is.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel