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One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Please join me in welcoming one new add-on and one updated add-on to the stage:

 

  • Input Lock (new by Jose Manuel Delicado): lock keyboards, mouse and touchscreens from accidental input. Add-ons website entry: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/inputLock.en.html
  • Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated): August 16th snapshot attempts at detecting end of file error as reported by some users, also adds Input Lock to list of add-ons eligible for update checks. Also, for those using latest NVDA alpha snapshots, this add-on will try to use checkable list box control that ships with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

 

Howard,

           I'm not quite clear regarding what you mean by, "where you are reading."

           If NVDA has focus on a segment of text, and is reading it, and you stop the reading you should be able to use the NVDA command for Move mouse to current navigator object to accomplish what you say if I'm understanding you correctly.    That's NVDA+numpadDivide for desktop keyboard layout and NVDA+shift+m for laptop keyboard layout.

           Caret browsing is another option that might prove easier.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo












Re: Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Danni
 


I agree with that but in all my years of battling sites I only once ran across someone willing to try using a screen reader sadly!
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

I don't particularly care if they use a keyboard themselves.  It would be nice if at least one person reviewed the design using a keyboard, but not just a keyboard, a screen-reader.  You can't evaluate a site from the keyboard without knowing how to use a screen-reader.  But if they don't want to bother doing that, the site should be tested by blind people while the site is under development. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Danni
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

lol Gene!
 
 keep telling folks that if these designers would just use these sites with a keyboard they might find out how not user friendly they are!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello again

I have version 1803  build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228. Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo











Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo








Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows 10
App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo







Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Rick's question reminds me of one I've had:  How does one route the mouse pointer to where you are reading?  Thanks.
 
Howard

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Button no longer works on website after Windows update

Hello:

 

Overnight, my computer was updated with the latest Windows update for Windows 10 Professional. As a result, some buttons on a certain website no longer function. They worked yesterday and they do not work today and the only change I know of to my computer is the Windows update. The url is:

 

http://boctoastmasters.com/

 

I have tried both Internet Explorer 11 and the latest version of Firefox.

 

There are 2 buttons on this page that I can no longer activate, one labeled Member Login and another labeled Login as Site Admin. They can be quickly navigated to using the B key. However, I cannot seem to get them to perform their typical action using either the keyboard (I’ve tried Enter, Space and Shift + Enter) or routing the mouse and pressing the slash key to simulate a left mouse click.

 

If the button works, you will be presented with an edit box where you can begin entering your name. There have been no changes made to the website. I know this because I am one of its administrators.

 

I am using the latest released version of NVDA without any addins.

 

Rick


Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

 

I suspect something tied to the cookie notification myself, as these are, in the grand scheme of things, a relatively recent development.  Whether the screen reader is on or off, I am not being presented with this notification when the page initially loads, and that's across machines.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Gene
 

I don't particularly care if they use a keyboard themselves.  It would be nice if at least one person reviewed the design using a keyboard, but not just a keyboard, a screen-reader.  You can't evaluate a site from the keyboard without knowing how to use a screen-reader.  But if they don't want to bother doing that, the site should be tested by blind people while the site is under development. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Danni
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

lol Gene!
 
 keep telling folks that if these designers would just use these sites with a keyboard they might find out how not user friendly they are!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In waterfox on windows 7, which also did an update today, the button does not show up. However refreshing shows the cookies message the nvda/waterfox did not get the first time and then accept allows the button to be there and interacted with. My feeling on this is that there is a display of the main page, then a display of the cookie message, but the latter is not actually seen by nvda unless you force nvda and waterfox to reload. its a bit like on some sites with google bits when the place they should be is empty, but a refresh gets them back. Sometimes the site realises and says server not available, but in this case it seems nvda or woaterfox is unaware of the overlay completely until you do something to refresh it.

It reminds me of a very very old nvda bug where at start of firefox, the page would not seem to be there unless you open and close a menu or switched away and back or refreshed the page.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] Button no longer works on website after Windows update


Hello:



Overnight, my computer was updated with the latest Windows update for
Windows 10 Professional. As a result, some buttons on a certain website no
longer function. They worked yesterday and they do not work today and the
only change I know of to my computer is the Windows update. The url is:



http://boctoastmasters.com/



I have tried both Internet Explorer 11 and the latest version of Firefox.



There are 2 buttons on this page that I can no longer activate, one labeled
Member Login and another labeled Login as Site Admin. They can be quickly
navigated to using the B key. However, I cannot seem to get them to perform
their typical action using either the keyboard (I've tried Enter, Space and
Shift + Enter) or routing the mouse and pressing the slash key to simulate a
left mouse click.



If the button works, you will be presented with an edit box where you can
begin entering your name. There have been no changes made to the website. I
know this because I am one of its administrators.



I am using the latest released version of NVDA without any addins.



Rick




Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows 10
App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo


Re: Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Danni
 


lol Gene!
 
 keep telling folks that if these designers would just use these sites with a keyboard they might find out how not user friendly they are!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
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Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

 

Give Mozilla App Enhancements a try. It will mitigate your issue, but, not
answer your question.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Mellor
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message columns in
Thunderbird.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=,
,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird 60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David


Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Go to Addons manager and activate the Get Addons button.
In the web page open, look by Mozilla...

Rui

Às 13:24 de 16/08/2018, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi,
Can you tell me where I find this addon?
I know how to move Thunderbird Columns but with an addon it'll be easier, I'm sure.
Em 16/08/2018 08:31, Rui Fontes escreveu:
It is a NVDA addon, and with my version of Thunderbird, 52.9.1 (32 bits) still works to manage coluns...


Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

�s 12:05 de 16/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
There is an add on, I don't recall if it is a Thunderbird or an NVDA add on that makes changing the order much easier.� I don't know if it works with new versions, but it might save you time and trouble to wait for more information from the list about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Mellor <mailto:david2@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message columns in
Thunderbird.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=,
,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird 60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David






Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

 

Rick,

           As an aside I think the Firefox issue is on my computer.  There is another website I used to routinely use that just refuses to load under Firefox.  I think it's time I do a complete uninstall and reinstall on Firefox to see if that fixes things, as the usual clearing of browser cache didn't do squat.

           It loads just find on my partner's computer, which is the hardware twin of mine, under Firefox.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

 

Rick,

          Something very weird is up here.  I can't speak to what the behavior would have been before the latest cumulative update because, unfortunately, all of my machines have updated (I think, I'll check my one laptop in a bit).

          Those buttons are not recognized as even existing in browse mode and you get "No next button" announced when using the 'b' shortcut for buttons.  However, if you bring up the list of elements both are shown.  When I activate the member login button via the elements list I am presented with a notification with regard to the site using cookies that is not announced by NVDA.

           Now, what's even weirder, is that after reloading the page after that cookies notification, which a screen reader user would not know about, is presented and which makes it disappear, the 'b' command in browse mode works exactly as expected.  Still, when I activate the Member Login button I still get the "silent cookies notification" which effectively stops you dead in your tracks unless you interact with it.   If I click on the "Agree" for cookies then the member login pop-up dialog appears and NVDA begins interacting with it.

           This is all under Chrome.  The site is being really cranky about even loading for me under Firefox, and those buttons never even appear.  It's doing just fine under Chrome and Edge, so I can't explain that.

            I find it odd that the cookie policy does not appear at all until a button is activated.  These typically pop up when you land on a website that uses cookies and you have to agree before you can keep going at all.  

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

 

The Add-On is:  

Mozilla Apps Enhancements


NVDA+H is used for rearranging columns.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

David Mellor
 

Hi marcio,
Could you tell me how you are currently doing it please?
David

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 August 2018 13:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi,
Can you tell me where I find this addon?
I know how to move Thunderbird Columns but with an addon it'll be
easier, I'm sure.

Em 16/08/2018 08:31, Rui Fontes escreveu:
It is a NVDA addon, and with my version of Thunderbird, 52.9.1 (32
bits) still works to manage coluns...


Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

�s 12:05 de 16/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
There is an add on, I don't recall if it is a Thunderbird or an NVDA
add on that makes changing the order much easier.� I don't know if it
works with new versions, but it might save you time and trouble to
wait for more information from the list about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Mellor <mailto:david2@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message
columns in
Thunderbird.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=,


,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird
60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and
folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same
method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David






NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank" when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo