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Re: Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 2

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If you are referring to nvda in the beta version there is no add ons. if
it is the browser it is the same add ons that are used with the alfa and
stable version and it or those versions do not have the problem only the
beta. It is sorta randam but seems if you use the alfa first then turn
it off then start the beta it will happen then at times.


Gene nz

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Try disabling them all and then turn them on one at a time if it fixes
it.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "hurrikennyandopo ..."
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mozilla fire fox crashes with nvda 2018.3 beta 2


It seems to happen if i use the alfa snap shot first say to update then
after i turn it off then check with the beta version it seems to crash
but not all the time some times it will just give the message no updates
then you can close it then other times the browser crashes.

this is only with nvda 2018.3 beta 2 not the alfa snap shot.


Gene nz



On 8/16/2018 8:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys


I do not get this problem with the alfa snapshot when i go to do the
following. help then check for update.

it will download the alfa snap shot then let me set it up.


when i go to do the same with the nvda 2018.3 beta 2 snap shot it goes
to open the browser then crashes and then i get the following.


I thought it might of been a corrupted beta etc so totally removed it
all settings etc then reinstalled it. Even done this with a new fresh
copy as well.


INFO - __main__ (20:09:35.987):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.563):
Config dir: C:\nvda beta snapshots\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (20:09:36.565):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
NVDA version 2018.3beta2
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.717):
Using Windows version 10.0.17134 workstation
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using Python version 2.7.15 (v2.7.15:ca079a3ea3, Apr 30 2018, 16:22:17)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (20:09:36.719):
Using comtypes version 1.1.3
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (20:09:38.078):
Loaded synthDriver oneCore
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.079):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (20:09:38.085):
Using liblouis version 3.6.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (20:09:38.088):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (20:09:38.415):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation5
INFO - core.main (20:09:38.915):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (20:09:38.993):
Performing automatic update check
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:10:21.470):
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
ERROR - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (20:11:19.418):
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 417, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1726] The remote procedure call failed
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(20:12:05.006):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
role: ROLE_CHECKBOX
states: STATE_CHECKED, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at
0x035D3450>
Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>,
<class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>,
<type 'object'>)
description: None
location: (477, 450, 355, 16)
value: None
appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'crashreporter', process ID
9028) at address 5872650>
appModule.productName: u'Firefox'
appModule.productVersion: u'61.0.2'
TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>
windowHandle: 263040
windowClassName: u'Button'
windowControlID: 1007
windowStyle: 1342242819
windowThreadID: 6616
windowText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
displayText: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix it'
IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x754280 at 583df30>
IAccessibleChildID: 0
IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=263040, objectID=-4,
childID=0
IAccessible accName: u'Tell Mozilla about this crash so they can fix
it'
IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CHECKBUTTON
IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_CHECKED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED,
STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048596)
IAccessible accDescription: None
IAccessible accValue: None




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Re: unlabeled graphics on the web

Walker, Michael E
 

Gene, you are very correct that unlabeled graphics are skipped, no matter what navigation keys you choose. It is a serious problem. Suppose I am taking online training at work, and I have to be able to click the unlabeled graphic, and not have NVDA skip it. Suppose I know what the unlabeled graphic is, by text above or below it, and I do not have a sighted person available to click it for me. This comes up in the workplace all the time. How can we submit feedback to the developers on this? Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web

 

If graphics aren't labeled, then, of course, you may have a hard time determining what graphic to click.  But the question, as posed, assumes that.  Can NVDA be made to announce all graphics?  I don't think it does now.  If there is a graphic without any text, I don't think it announces it and there is no setting I know of to adjust the level of graphic announcement.  JAWS has such a setting and you were discussing that in your comparison of NVDA and JAWS.  If I am correct that there is no setting in NVDA for this, this is another way in which NVDA isn't as user definable as JAWS where it should be.  This may be a serious problem on a site where, to take an action a graphic needs to be clicked.  It might mean having to click it with the simulated mouse but to do that, it must be announced as you move through the page so you can move to it and then move the mouse to it. 

 

You may need sighted help to know which graphic to click but as far as I know, NVDA doesn't read unlabeled graphics on web pages and moving character by character doesn't read them either.  As far as I know, they are skipped as though they don't exist.

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web

 

I don't think you can do much about idiotic web site design. I think you
might be able to in Jaws, though it is often a trial and error thing as
unless you have sighted help to identify non marked controls you are
stuffed. It might be worth writing to the site admins and pointing out that
a little bit ofalt tagging would go a long way.
 Brian

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From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web


Hi, how do I get NVDA to identify all graphics on a web page, including the
unlabeled ones, if I need to click one for example? Also, which section of
the user guide explains this in further detail? Thanks.






Re: unlabeled graphics on the web

Gene
 

If graphics aren't labeled, then, of course, you may have a hard time determining what graphic to click.  But the question, as posed, assumes that.  Can NVDA be made to announce all graphics?  I don't think it does now.  If there is a graphic without any text, I don't think it announces it and there is no setting I know of to adjust the level of graphic announcement.  JAWS has such a setting and you were discussing that in your comparison of NVDA and JAWS.  If I am correct that there is no setting in NVDA for this, this is another way in which NVDA isn't as user definable as JAWS where it should be.  This may be a serious problem on a site where, to take an action a graphic needs to be clicked.  It might mean having to click it with the simulated mouse but to do that, it must be announced as you move through the page so you can move to it and then move the mouse to it. 
 
You may need sighted help to know which graphic to click but as far as I know, NVDA doesn't read unlabeled graphics on web pages and moving character by character doesn't read them either.  As far as I know, they are skipped as though they don't exist.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web

I don't think you can do much about idiotic web site design. I think you
might be able to in Jaws, though it is often a trial and error thing as
unless you have sighted help to identify non marked controls you are
stuffed. It might be worth writing to the site admins and pointing out that
a little bit ofalt tagging would go a long way.
 Brian

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From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web


Hi, how do I get NVDA to identify all graphics on a web page, including the
unlabeled ones, if I need to click one for example? Also, which section of
the user guide explains this in further detail? Thanks.







Thunderbird and the current date?

Roger Stewart
 

I've notice that recently when I start up Thunderbird, it will sometimes give the current date. I never noticed this until the last several days and it it's not consistent.  It didn't do it all this morning but the last 2 times I've started it, it did announce the date including the year. Is this something that is somehow visible or is nvda picking this up in the background and why is it not announce every time?  Just wondering.


Thanks.


Roger


Re: unlabeled graphics on the web

Walker, Michael E
 

Yes, you certainly can do something about unlabeled graphics in JAWS. You can set graphics to show all, and you can also identify graphics by different characteristics like the file name and URL. This should be a feature in NVDA. While I agree with writing to the site's developers, it often doesn't make a difference, if they don't care. In that case, the blind user needs to be able to find a way.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web

I don't think you can do much about idiotic web site design. I think you might be able to in Jaws, though it is often a trial and error thing as unless you have sighted help to identify non marked controls you are stuffed. It might be worth writing to the site admins and pointing out that a little bit ofalt tagging would go a long way.
Brian

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From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web


Hi, how do I get NVDA to identify all graphics on a web page, including the
unlabeled ones, if I need to click one for example? Also, which section of
the user guide explains this in further detail? Thanks.


Re: One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #addonrelease

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Hi, the new add on updater seems to have fixed the EOF issue. i did previously try deleting the update file for add ons but that made no difference, yet it was odd that before no portable version had the issue, only installed ones, but as I say its working now.

Poor old windows got in a bit of a mess with me switching versions of nvda to update them all though. I had to fiddle abit to get sense out of it, but then I do not think stopping and starting different nvda versions in quick succession was actually a use case considered!

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #AddonRelease


Hi all,



Please join me in welcoming one new add-on and one updated add-on to the
stage:



* Input Lock (new by Jose Manuel Delicado): lock keyboards, mouse and
touchscreens from accidental input. Add-ons website entry:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/inputLock.en.html
* Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated): August 16th snapshot
attempts at detecting end of file error as reported by some users, also adds
Input Lock to list of add-ons eligible for update checks. Also, for those
using latest NVDA alpha snapshots, this add-on will try to use checkable
list box control that ships with NVDA.



Cheers,

Joseph




Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
I still cannot reproduce this problem when I tried with NVDA 2018.3 beta 2 and Windows 10 App Essentials 18.08.1 running on build 17134.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

NVDA version 2018.3Beta2 and Windows 10 App Essentials version 18.08.1.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo















Re: One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #addonrelease

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Input lock sounds like quite a dangerous idea! I assume that its easy to get out of is it?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #AddonRelease


Hi all,



Please join me in welcoming one new add-on and one updated add-on to the
stage:



* Input Lock (new by Jose Manuel Delicado): lock keyboards, mouse and
touchscreens from accidental input. Add-ons website entry:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/inputLock.en.html
* Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated): August 16th snapshot
attempts at detecting end of file error as reported by some users, also adds
Input Lock to list of add-ons eligible for update checks. Also, for those
using latest NVDA alpha snapshots, this add-on will try to use checkable
list box control that ships with NVDA.



Cheers,

Joseph




Re: unlabeled graphics on the web

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I don't think you can do much about idiotic web site design. I think you might be able to in Jaws, though it is often a trial and error thing as unless you have sighted help to identify non marked controls you are stuffed. It might be worth writing to the site admins and pointing out that a little bit ofalt tagging would go a long way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Michael E" <michael.e.walker3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] unlabeled graphics on the web


Hi, how do I get NVDA to identify all graphics on a web page, including the unlabeled ones, if I need to click one for example? Also, which section of the user guide explains this in further detail? Thanks.


Re: Thunderbird columns with object navigation

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Firstly which version of Tbird do you run now?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation


Hi marcio,
Could you tell me how you are currently doing it please?
David


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio
via Groups.Io
Sent: 16 August 2018 13:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi,
Can you tell me where I find this addon?
I know how to move Thunderbird Columns but with an addon it'll be
easier, I'm sure.

Em 16/08/2018 08:31, Rui Fontes escreveu:
It is a NVDA addon, and with my version of Thunderbird, 52.9.1 (32
bits) still works to manage coluns...


Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

�s 12:05 de 16/08/2018, Gene escreveu:
There is an add on, I don't recall if it is a Thunderbird or an NVDA
add on that makes changing the order much easier.� I don't know if it
works with new versions, but it might save you time and trouble to
wait for more information from the list about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Mellor <mailto:david2@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message
columns in
Thunderbird.
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/colum_headers_in_thunderbird/3281531?p=,


,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird
60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and
folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same
method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David






Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

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So not even the sighted get it? That is odd. Very long ago when the BBC started adding such messages a similar issue occurred on their I player, where you could not play anything until you realised there was an invisible message to be found and all sorts of messing about had to be applied to get it to be seen. I think they have fixed it now, but at the start all sorts of problems occurred. Maybe its the office newbie who was given the job of adding it!

I did find one the other day that basically said, accept or push off we do not conform to gdpR. Not quite so blunt but almost.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Button no longer works on website after Windows update


I suspect something tied to the cookie notification myself, as these are, in the grand scheme of things, a relatively recent development. Whether the screen reader is on or off, I am not being presented with this notification when the page initially loads, and that's across machines.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

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Re: NVDA and AMD processors

Don H
 

I am thinking that maybe the B and O audio might be playing a part in my issue I am thinking it may have some enhanced sound settings. No such Enhanced setting in my Realtech audio settings.


Re: NVDA and AMD processors

Josh Kennedy
 

I also have an AMD CPU and have no issues. 


Oracle SQL Developer

Walker, Michael E
 

Hi,

 

My teammate insists that I use SQL Developer, when he works with me. Who has had luck getting it to work well enough to see the visual layout of the database tables and schemas, using NVDA? For example, if you need to see where a stored procedure is in the database, how well does that work with NVDA?

 

Thanks,

Mike


Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

NVDA version 2018.3Beta2 and Windows 10 App Essentials version 18.08.1.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/16 06:53 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo














One new add-on, one updated add-on: Input Lock 1.4 (new), Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated) #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Please join me in welcoming one new add-on and one updated add-on to the stage:

 

  • Input Lock (new by Jose Manuel Delicado): lock keyboards, mouse and touchscreens from accidental input. Add-ons website entry: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/inputLock.en.html
  • Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated): August 16th snapshot attempts at detecting end of file error as reported by some users, also adds Input Lock to list of add-ons eligible for update checks. Also, for those using latest NVDA alpha snapshots, this add-on will try to use checkable list box control that ships with NVDA.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Button no longer works on website after Windows update

 

Howard,

           I'm not quite clear regarding what you mean by, "where you are reading."

           If NVDA has focus on a segment of text, and is reading it, and you stop the reading you should be able to use the NVDA command for Move mouse to current navigator object to accomplish what you say if I'm understanding you correctly.    That's NVDA+numpadDivide for desktop keyboard layout and NVDA+shift+m for laptop keyboard layout.

           Caret browsing is another option that might prove easier.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

 

Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo












Re: Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Danni
 


I agree with that but in all my years of battling sites I only once ran across someone willing to try using a screen reader sadly!
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

I don't particularly care if they use a keyboard themselves.  It would be nice if at least one person reviewed the design using a keyboard, but not just a keyboard, a screen-reader.  You can't evaluate a site from the keyboard without knowing how to use a screen-reader.  But if they don't want to bother doing that, the site should be tested by blind people while the site is under development. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Danni
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

lol Gene!
 
 keep telling folks that if these designers would just use these sites with a keyboard they might find out how not user friendly they are!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello again

I have version 1803  build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228. Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo