Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

Hi all,



Please join me in welcoming one new add-on and one updated add-on to the
stage:



* Input Lock (new by Jose Manuel Delicado): lock keyboards, mouse and
touchscreens from accidental input. Add-ons website entry:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/inputLock.en.html
* Add-on Updater (proof of concept updated): August 16th snapshot
attempts at detecting end of file error as reported by some users, also adds
Input Lock to list of add-ons eligible for update checks. Also, for those
using latest NVDA alpha snapshots, this add-on will try to use checkable
list box control that ships with NVDA.



Cheers,

Joseph

It is a NVDA addon, and with my version of Thunderbird, 52.9.1 (32
bits) still works to manage coluns...


Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

�s 12:05 de 16/08/2018, Gene escreveu:

There is an add on, I don't recall if it is a Thunderbird or an NVDA
add on that makes changing the order much easier.� I don't know if it
works with new versions, but it might save you time and trouble to
wait for more information from the list about it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Mellor <mailto:david2@parasys.co.uk>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:44 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Thunderbird columns with object navigation

Hi group,
I came across this post about changing the order of mail message
columns in
Thunderbird.

,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,0,,20,0,780,3281531
Unfortunately I can't find the column headers anywhere on Thunderbird
60.0
using object navigation. I can move around the message list and
folder list
and I've been able to drag and drop folders around using the same
method.

Has anyone had any luck with accessing the message column headers with
recent Thunderbird versions please?

Very many thanks,
David

Hi,
And which NVDA version and add-on release do you have?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello again

I have version 1803 build 17134.228, but I noticed this behaviour with build 17134.165 already, but hoped it would go away or be fixed by 228.
Even a restart or a shutdown and start-up does not fix it. This is flabbergasting.

Kind regards

Christo



On 2018/08/16 06:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:59 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

I don't particularly care if they use a keyboard themselves.  It would be nice if at least one person reviewed the design using a keyboard, but not just a keyboard, a screen-reader.  You can't evaluate a site from the keyboard without knowing how to use a screen-reader.  But if they don't want to bother doing that, the site should be tested by blind people while the site is under development. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Danni

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

lol Gene!

 

 keep telling folks that if these designers would just use these sites with a keyboard they might find out how not user friendly they are!

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi,
I see. If you have build 17134 (Version 1803 stable), it may have to do with NVDA missing some UIA events, as I can't reproduce this on latest Windows Insider build. Try logging out and back in.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hi Joseph

I cannot get NVDA to read the emoji panel in any application which allows text input. For example, I am writing this in Thunderbird and I cannot select emoji while typing this message. Also in Notepad and other text editors I have tried and also not in the message composition window of Outlook 2013. If I bring up Narrator, I can use it to select emoji from the panel.

It used to work for me in NVDA, but I can't pinpoint at which point it stopped working.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2018/08/16 05:15 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo
de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows
10 App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

Hi,
Under which circumstances does NVDA not read this panel - perhaps using nOtepad, browsing the web, wetc.?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading emoji in emoji panel

Hello all


I used to be able to access emoji in the emoji panel you get by pressing Windows key plus period or Windows key plus semicolon, but for some reason NVDA does not read the emoji in that panel or the category names anymore. Narrator reads them perfectly, so I know they are there and I can use Narrator to insert emoji in my text.


Does anyone have any idea what could be causing NVDA to just say "blank"
when I navigate around the emoji panel? Is there some setting that could be upsetting NVDA?


I am using NVDA version 2018.3 Beta 2 on a 32 bit Windows 10 machine
with the latest Windows update. I have the latest version of Windows 10
App Essentials add-on installed and active.


I would appreciate your suggestions.


Kind regards


Christo

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 4:14 AM

Subject: [nvda] Button no longer works on website after Windows update

Hello:

 

Overnight, my computer was updated with the latest Windows update for Windows 10 Professional. As a result, some buttons on a certain website no longer function. They worked yesterday and they do not work today and the only change I know of to my computer is the Windows update. The url is:

 

http://boctoastmasters.com/

 

I have tried both Internet Explorer 11 and the latest version of Firefox.

 

There are 2 buttons on this page that I can no longer activate, one labeled Member Login and another labeled Login as Site Admin. They can be quickly navigated to using the B key. However, I cannot seem to get them to perform their typical action using either the keyboard (I’ve tried Enter, Space and Shift + Enter) or routing the mouse and pressing the slash key to simulate a left mouse click.

 

If the button works, you will be presented with an edit box where you can begin entering your name. There have been no changes made to the website. I know this because I am one of its administrators.

 

I am using the latest released version of NVDA without any addins.

 

Rick

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Just one more example of what happens when someone or a corporation, which is bye law a person, so someone, with very little brain, like Winney the Pu (spelling) still doesn't know after years of working with advocacy groups to make their site accessible, that you don't just make changes.  You test them with blind users before implementing them.  This is clearly something a sighted person would see.  A screen-reader wouldn't read it automatically.  the page has changed.  Perhaps this change could be properly coded using Aria or JAVA script, I don't have the technical knowledge to know how best to do it.  The person would be placed on the correct control and the text would be read as well as the control you are on.  But no.  Obviously the changes weren't tested, not even with one or two blind people.  Even Winnie The Pu learns faster.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:47 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page

Ok, that works. Thank you. A stupid workaround, but hopefully amazon will
change things back, not holding my breath, or the NVDA developers will
figure out how to work with this kind of change.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


I need to correct 1 thing I said not alt tab but shift tab gets you to the
buy it now button and it works I've been doing it for the last 2 days!

to recap it's check submit queery then spacebar insert then shift tab to buy
now!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page


> Thanks all for your messages and thoughts. Maybe it's time to open a
> ticket
> now that I know it's not me.
> Incidentally, I tried it also on the portable ESR Firefox, one still in
> the
> version 52 series, latest Chrome, and latest IE, and all are showing the
> no
> numbered heading level. For me, tabbing around didn't work. I'll try
> Travis's suggestions in a while.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Change on Amazon makes buying options less, possibly
> inaccessible with screenreaders while on product page
>
>
> Thanks, Travis. I will file this info away because I, too, use Kindle
> Unlimited. I used it just the other day to grab a book and it worked
> just fine: the correct buttons showed in the correct places and showed
> as actual buttons. thank you. I wouldn't have even thought to route the
> NVDA cursor to the buttton because I'm not as familiar with that as I
> really need to be. I never used the virtual mouse cursor in System
> Access when I used it and rarely ever used the JAWS cursor in JAWS when
> I used that because I didn't really understand how it worked, but it
> sounds like it's time for me to learn to understand it. LOL! Thanks again.
>
> Annette
> On 8/14/2018 9:24 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> The problem exists when using the kindle unlimited program to get a
>> book. You have to tab to the button (NVDA sees it as a button), but
>> pressing b doesn't go to it. However, when I was sitting on it (after
>> finding it via the tab key), I used nvda-F1 to bring up it's
>> information, and it is clearly labeled as a button, so no clue why b
>> doesn't navigate to it. I've also discovered the only for me to click
>> the button is to use the route command (nvda-numpad minus) to route
>> the nvda cursor to it, then press nvda-shift-numpad enter. (yes, I
>> need the shift, without it, it activates an entirely different page
>> which has ne bearing on what I'm trying to do). No idea why the shift
>> works and w/o the shift doesn't, but there it is. That's the only
>> I've managed to get my books into the kindle app using the web site.
>> Interestingly enough, using safari on the Iphone doesn't have this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hello:



Overnight, my computer was updated with the latest Windows update for
Windows 10 Professional. As a result, some buttons on a certain website no
longer function. They worked yesterday and they do not work today and the
only change I know of to my computer is the Windows update. The url is:



http://boctoastmasters.com/



I have tried both Internet Explorer 11 and the latest version of Firefox.



There are 2 buttons on this page that I can no longer activate, one labeled
Member Login and another labeled Login as Site Admin. They can be quickly
navigated to using the B key. However, I cannot seem to get them to perform
their typical action using either the keyboard (I've tried Enter, Space and
Shift + Enter) or routing the mouse and pressing the slash key to simulate a
left mouse click.



If the button works, you will be presented with an edit box where you can
begin entering your name. There have been no changes made to the website. I
know this because I am one of its administrators.



I am using the latest released version of NVDA without any addins.



Rick