No, I won't give them a break.  the only message from Apple sent to the list is a stock general message they send for lots of inquiries.  It's obvious.  The name of the program is never mentioned and it is a general message.  Did you get a different one?  They may be working on the problem but how quickly and seriously?  Was this message sent out because they actually are or is it sent out by a staff member who deals with complaints as a standard response? 
 
If you want to defend Apple, that's your right.  But why?  It's glaringly obvious that if Apple had given proper attention to accessibility, these obvious problems would have been solved long before this version reached release.  I won't give them a break.  I've seen complaints about accessibility in ITunes when new releases have come out before.  Apple claims to take accessibility seriously.  That means checking products during development, not after people report obvious problems after release. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

Guys, give them a break for Christ sake!  They said they were working on it,
did they not?

If you don't believe them, then, ok, fine, whatever, but you don't have to
publicly rub it in their faces!  That's incredibly disrespectful!
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" < whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119


> Sounds like a classic autoresponse script to me.
> At 12:22 AM 5/25/2016, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>I received an email from apple. I am going to post it below this message.
>>Thanks to Christopher for posting the email address for Apple
>>accessibility.
>>Chris
>>
>>Subject:
>>Re: newest version of iTunes.; Follow-up: 641443370
>>Hello,
>>Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and wanted to let you
>>know that Apple is currently investigating this issue. We cannot comment
>>on when it may be resolved.
>>Apple Accessibility
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Most stations these days broadcast in Flash and/or HtML5.  Saving such links won't direct you to the actual underlying stream.  There is an underlying stream but the listen links on most station web sites direct you to the flash or HTMl5 stream, or they are links that open your browser and cause it to follow scripts to the Flash content.  Sometimes, right clicking and saving links won't work at all because the site doesn't support saving such links. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for pls or m3u file of a radio station stream

Very often, you can just do a right click on the listen link and then
choose save link as and 9 times out of 10 it will save a .pls or .m3u
file for you. The file may not be labeled correctly and may just say
listen.pls or something like that. Just rename it and save it where
you'll know where it is and you're good to go.

Roger








On 5/25/2016 12:05 PM, Bobby wrote:
> I am having issues locating pls files or m3us.  I listen to lots of
> internet radio stations butt I don't like going to the web sites all
> of the time.  I was if you know of a good progran that will capture a
> pls or m3u because finding the listen live link can be very hard.  If
> you know of a program please let me know.
>
>
>
>
> .
>

If this is going to be done, probably the best way would be to have an apply button or something similar.  In other words, for example, after you made changes in the voice settings dialog, you could press apply and be returned to the preferences menu again.  You would be returned to the menu you entered a dialog from.  Then you could open another dialog and change more settings.  This would be slightly easier than opening the NVDA menu again but I'm not sure if it would actually make the interface more confusing for inexperienced users.  It may just be easier to tell people to make changes in one dialog, press ok, then open the menu again with NVDA key n.  We'll see what others have to say. 

 

Gene

From: Scott VanDeWalle

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 11:42 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] making a suggestion for nvda

Hello.
Ok, i will bring it up here to make sure it is something that not just
me would like to see, and maybe there is a way and i just need to
expand my mind with the knowledge of how to do this.  smile.

You know how in settings when clicking ok when done with a section of
settings, the whole settings panel goes away?  Well, it'd be nice to
somehow put things in like a list, sort of like programs like
thunderbird, or at least so one does not have to exit settings just to
have to go back into settings with nvda n to change more settings.
Yes, i know you could probably change things with keyboard shortcuts,
however, I do not know all the shortcuts to do this yet for all the
possible things you could set.  So i'm just thinking it might be easier
for new people, and me alike.lol or people like me who might get
confused easily when first encountering a new program.

Thank you

Scott
Original message:
> Hi Scott,

> The official place for filing requests and bugs is our little corner of
> GitHub: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
> <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues>

> Ideally also search to see if the issue has already been filed.

> If you'd like some feedback on the idea first then absolutely raise it
> here and we can have a conversation about it and get it filed.

> I can and do file issues myself, although the advantage in you filing
> it is that if more information is needed or clarification on something,
> it's easy to ask.

> Kind regards

> Quentin.

> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Scott VanDeWalle
> <scottvandewalle2@... <mailto:scottvandewalle2@...>> wrote:


> Hello, i'd like to know how to make a suggestion that I feel is a good
> idea for a future release.
> I don't know enough programming stuff to know how easy or not this
> would be, but still I think it is a wonderful idea.
> Thank you

> Scott





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>

Joseph,
Thanks for the info.
Chris

Hi.

I ran it through kurzweil and here is a link to the results.

https://files.emypeople.net/index.php/s/NvhTJ3jpRzE6Gmf/download

If you're wondering about the different url the server that the file
is shared from is my employers owncloud server.

Looks like fairly standard english to me.

However, adobe reader did the same as everyone else for me, couldn't
make heads or tails of it.


HTH.



On 5/25/2016 6:19 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:

I certainly can't.

-----Original Message----- From: Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can anyone get English out of this file?

I'll put a link to the file. When I open it, for some reason, all I see
is symbols, nothing resembling English. Can anyone help me troubleshoot
this one? I'm using Adobe Acrobat DC. I tried to open it in Balabolka,
and I saw the symbols again. If I"m missing something really obvious,
let me know that too. Also, nothing like this has ever happened with
files from this same author before.


The link is below:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3787427/Essene%20Definition.pdf

----- Original Message -----

From: Jacob Kruger

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:45 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

Home page is about:blank - has been in all my web browsers for quite a few years now...<smile>

 

Also tried out ctrl + 1, etc., but, didn't help - will try out the canary version of chrome.

 

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

Hi

Out of curiosity have you set a home page for it to load first? I noticed when there was none, it would not focus properly on the content, but when the web page was set it seems to work ok.

I think it is set to a new tab when you first open google chrome.

If I remember right with tab browsing you use the CTRL key + the numbers from 1 to 9 depending on the pages that were opened. I like it better as normal web pages.

Gene nz

On 26/05/2016 12:24 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

The problem is that I will, for example, open a new tab, or focus on address entry field, type in an address, and hit enter, and while window title tells me page has finished loading,tabbing around, using combinations of F6, shift+F6, etc. etc. don't ever focus on page's actual contents.

 

At times, however, focus will automatically have switched over to page contents, and, if I load a page from a bookmark, it also seems to do that pretty much every time.

 

Like said, biggest issue is inconsistency - as in, want to search for something, and would, honestly be quicker to just type in address for google.com rather than look for it in bookmarks, or else, I copy an address from an e-mail, or text file, and want to jut paste it into the address bar, but, then can't seem to get it to focus on the page contents.

 

This is on a windows 10 64 bit machine, using NVDA 2016.1, but, not sure either of those are relevant.

 

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

I'm not sure what you are describing.  When I use Chrome, which I don't use for regular browsing, Often all I see is the title bar with the name of the web page.  I may be able to get the page to display by opening and then closing a new tab.  I may have to completely reload the page.  I'm not sure if that is the problem you are describing.  I don't know how many people have this problem.  But I do and it is one reason I wouldn't consider using Chrome as my main browser. 

 

Other reasons are how many things display as a web page.  It is far more convenient to have such things display as lists or dialogs.  Even Firefox, which has made things in the options dialog function like a web page, still has the items organized as lists you can arrow down. 

Also, it appears to me that lots of menu items don't have shortcuts as has been standard in Windows programs for years.  I haven't found a short cut combination for something as important as book marks.  And I've seen other menu items with no short cuts.  This sort of thing after all these years of Google working on making chrome accessible are singularly unimpressive.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

GeneFrom: Jacob Kruger

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

While in things like IE, and firefox, you could generally jump to/focus on actual webpage content using something like tab, or shift + tab keystrokes, or else ctrl + F6, it seems like chrome is somewhat inconsistent in that after I type a URL into it's address bar, at times, I can't too easily get NVDA to then actually switch over to interacting with the actual web page contents?

 

Is there some standard method/means to get this to happen that I'm missing, due to being too used to other browsers?

 

Ask since am sort of considering switching over to chrome as my primary web-browser, but, if this inconsistency carries on, then it's a no-go, since it's quite irritating...LOL!

 

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
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----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

Hi

Out of curiosity have you set a home page for it to load first? I noticed when there was none, it would not focus properly on the content, but when the web page was set it seems to work ok.

I think it is set to a new tab when you first open google chrome.

If I remember right with tab browsing you use the CTRL key + the numbers from 1 to 9 depending on the pages that were opened. I like it better as normal web pages.

Gene nz

On 26/05/2016 12:24 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

The problem is that I will, for example, open a new tab, or focus on address entry field, type in an address, and hit enter, and while window title tells me page has finished loading,tabbing around, using combinations of F6, shift+F6, etc. etc. don't ever focus on page's actual contents.

 

At times, however, focus will automatically have switched over to page contents, and, if I load a page from a bookmark, it also seems to do that pretty much every time.

 

Like said, biggest issue is inconsistency - as in, want to search for something, and would, honestly be quicker to just type in address for google.com rather than look for it in bookmarks, or else, I copy an address from an e-mail, or text file, and want to jut paste it into the address bar, but, then can't seem to get it to focus on the page contents.

 

This is on a windows 10 64 bit machine, using NVDA 2016.1, but, not sure either of those are relevant.

 

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

I'm not sure what you are describing.  When I use Chrome, which I don't use for regular browsing, Often all I see is the title bar with the name of the web page.  I may be able to get the page to display by opening and then closing a new tab.  I may have to completely reload the page.  I'm not sure if that is the problem you are describing.  I don't know how many people have this problem.  But I do and it is one reason I wouldn't consider using Chrome as my main browser. 

 

Other reasons are how many things display as a web page.  It is far more convenient to have such things display as lists or dialogs.  Even Firefox, which has made things in the options dialog function like a web page, still has the items organized as lists you can arrow down. 

Also, it appears to me that lots of menu items don't have shortcuts as has been standard in Windows programs for years.  I haven't found a short cut combination for something as important as book marks.  And I've seen other menu items with no short cuts.  This sort of thing after all these years of Google working on making chrome accessible are singularly unimpressive.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

GeneFrom: Jacob Kruger

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

While in things like IE, and firefox, you could generally jump to/focus on actual webpage content using something like tab, or shift + tab keystrokes, or else ctrl + F6, it seems like chrome is somewhat inconsistent in that after I type a URL into it's address bar, at times, I can't too easily get NVDA to then actually switch over to interacting with the actual web page contents?

 

Is there some standard method/means to get this to happen that I'm missing, due to being too used to other browsers?

 

Ask since am sort of considering switching over to chrome as my primary web-browser, but, if this inconsistency carries on, then it's a no-go, since it's quite irritating...LOL!

 

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

It appears you are talking about Windows.  This thread is about ITunes.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119

I had someone with a recoveryy partition do an upgrade, and was able to
downgrade with no issue.
I had someone try to upgrade, get there, had to reformat, and not only
would windows not reactivate but it wouldn't downgrade either and so
unless I pirated it I guess it wouldn't work.
Saying that I didn't look to closely in the issue as the system involved
had a dieing hard drive and overheating processer and was due for the
scrapheap and was in fact smashed rather than sold and chucked so it was
no loss.
In theory you can't transfer your windows 10 licence round but the rest
you are supposed to do so.




On 26/05/2016 9:33 a.m., Gene wrote:
> Does it force an upgrade after a time?  I suspect that once you upgrade, you can't go back, though I don't know that.  If that is the case, I would say that upgrading should be done by those who want to try new things, not by those who want reliability and dependability.  Of course, people could upgrade on one machine and keep their main machine as it is until evaluating the upgrade.
>
> Gene
> From: Chris Shook
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Itunes 12.4.0.119
>
>
> iTunes usually gives you an option whether to update or not.
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: 26 May, 2016 2:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

I'm not sure what you are describing.  When I use Chrome, which I don't use for regular browsing, Often all I see is the title bar with the name of the web page.  I may be able to get the page to display by opening and then closing a new tab.  I may have to completely reload the page.  I'm not sure if that is the problem you are describing.  I don't know how many people have this problem.  But I do and it is one reason I wouldn't consider using Chrome as my main browser. 

 

Other reasons are how many things display as a web page.  It is far more convenient to have such things display as lists or dialogs.  Even Firefox, which has made things in the options dialog function like a web page, still has the items organized as lists you can arrow down. 

Also, it appears to me that lots of menu items don't have shortcuts as has been standard in Windows programs for years.  I haven't found a short cut combination for something as important as book marks.  And I've seen other menu items with no short cuts.  This sort of thing after all these years of Google working on making chrome accessible are singularly unimpressive.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

GeneFrom: Jacob Kruger

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Moving over to/focusing on web-page contents after having loaded a page in google chrome

While in things like IE, and firefox, you could generally jump to/focus on actual webpage content using something like tab, or shift + tab keystrokes, or else ctrl + F6, it seems like chrome is somewhat inconsistent in that after I type a URL into it's address bar, at times, I can't too easily get NVDA to then actually switch over to interacting with the actual web page contents?

 

Is there some standard method/means to get this to happen that I'm missing, due to being too used to other browsers?

 

Ask since am sort of considering switching over to chrome as my primary web-browser, but, if this inconsistency carries on, then it's a no-go, since it's quite irritating...LOL!

 

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

Instead of pressing Control followed by the say all keypress, you can use
the shift key to stop and restart speech. It acts like a pause/play button
once say all has started.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 25 May 2016 04:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Subject: Re: [nvda] how to set nvda auto read



Having pressed NVDA+down arrow (or laptop: NVDA+a) to read from the current
point onwards, you can press control, to stop NVDA from speaking. You need
to press NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a to restart from the start of the current
line / element to keep reading.



If you press shift to pause speech (note that works with some synthesizers,
such as eSpeak, but not all synthesizers), you can press shift to restart
reading, although if you have used the arrow keys to navigate around the
document in the meantime, you will need to press NVDA+down arrow or NVDA+a
to restart reading from where you currently are.


Kind regards


Quentin.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:03 PM, aikeo koomanivong
<moykoomanivong@...> wrote:

Hi all thanks for great answers
But so I want to talk again about auto read with nvda
Well during it reading all I press shift key it working well but when
press shift key then I press up/down arrow then I need it to be auto
read again how should I do?
So sometime I read the document on the Microsoft word it very tired to
press down-arrow to read row by row how to set auto read
If NVDA didn’t have this function I hope someone could send this idea
to the nvda developer
Thanks again



On 5/25/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


I just done a quick tutorial on how to do it, I will tidy it up later on
tonight and upload it to the nvda tutorials for windows 10 page for any
one
else who wants to do it.


Bad draft below.

Customizing your Desktop

If you have been so used to having a my Pc icon, recycle bin, control
panel
ectra some of the shortcuts can be replaced
Back on the desktop and have noticed it is not there and wanted it back
on
the desktop, this can easily be done.
Press the Windows key + the letter I. This will bring up the Windows
settings section in Windows. You will be given some options. Locate the
Personalization icon then press the enter key. Arrow to you hear NVDA say
Themes then press the enter key. Next tab until you hear NVDA say Desktop
icon settings then press the enter key. You will now be given some
options.
For example computer, User's Files, Network, Recycle Bin, Control Panel.
If
there are shortcuts you want back on the desktop from this section, press
the space bar on the ones you want. This will check the check box, so they
can be added. After you have made your selection, tab to the apply button,
then press the enter key, tab again until you hear NVDA say ok button,
then
press the enter key. Now these shortcuts/icons will now be on your
desktop.





Gene nz


On 25/05/2016 7:03 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


I just read the email again, it says about putting a icon on the desk top
sorry, the other way was doing it through file explorer after you use the
Windows key + the letter E to bring up windows explorer.


I can sus this out any how how to do this.


Gene nz


On 25/05/2016 6:34 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


Before I went on holidays I started to put together a page on Windows 10
on
the stuff that most people would change etc. This page can be found at

<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html>

<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html>

http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

Jump down to a section called How to Configure File Explorer (previously
known as Windows Explorer) to Open With This PC


I have done this to all of my machines


hope this helps.


Gene nz


On 24/05/2016 11:20 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Greetings,
Please is there a way to set up in Windows 10 the old "computer" icon on
the
desktop to be able to quickly access all drives?
Very much appreciated
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to set nvda auto read

Once you have set autoread going, you can use the shift key like a pause
button. Press it to stop the speech, press it again to resume speech
from
where you left off.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of aikeo koomanivong
Sent: 24 May 2016 09:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to set nvda auto read

When I using the internet after Firefox or internet explorer full loading
the screen reader will auto read when I press control keyboard it’s stop
reading but when I want it auto read again I don’t know how to do it If
you
have the best way please share with me Regards keo













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