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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

 

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos.  Or you could run a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.




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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Antony Stone
 

As others have said, no way will NVDA run without Windows, but I'm curious
about why you want to build a DOS machine anyway?

What do you plan to do with it?

Antony.

On Sunday 26 August 2018 at 02:06:06, Howard Traxler wrote:

I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk and
possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under DOS? I
think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have others here
that will run.

Thanks.
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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Sky Mundell
 

Actually you got the name wrong. Its name is Vocal-eyes, not Vocalizer

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could run a
windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could run a windows machine with dos box.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.


Re: the latest version of add on updater

 

Hi,
Travis is correct: I intend to not release a stable version of this add-on, as lessons learned through this add-on will be applied to a feature which I'm writing for NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] the latest version of add on updater

Simple answer: There is no stable version. It is a prototype as the website says. If you want a stable version only, uninstall it and pretend it does not exist. As I believe it's supposed to be integrated into NVDA core at some point, it'll probably never be released as a "stable" version. Joseph Lee can correct us if I'm wrong.

Travis

On 8/25/2018 6:24 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I am using nvda latest version. I can't find a stable version of
the add on updater for nvda. Can you please tell me how to get stable
version because I am running the development version.





Re: regular expression and speech dic

 

Glad to hear you've got it solved.

That second capture group is interesting, that's for sure.

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Re: regular expression and speech dic

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

I finally got it working like this:
(lv)([0-9\u4e00-\u9fa5]+|[^a-zA-Z])

Brian Vogel 於 26/8/2018 11:46 寫道:

William,

        Everything's good, your command of English is far, far, far, far [. . .] better than my command of Chinese.

        If the last regular expression I offered does not catch what you need it to catch and/or the substitution does not break it into the appropriate units, what would be best next is to have examples of what it did not capture and how those examples should be split apart into words to be fed to the synthesizer.  I will always presume that "lv" is meant to be replaced with the English word "level."
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Re: regular expression and speech dic

 

William,

        Everything's good, your command of English is far, far, far, far [. . .] better than my command of Chinese.

        If the last regular expression I offered does not catch what you need it to catch and/or the substitution does not break it into the appropriate units, what would be best next is to have examples of what it did not capture and how those examples should be split apart into words to be fed to the synthesizer.  I will always presume that "lv" is meant to be replaced with the English word "level."
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Re: regular expression and speech dic

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Brian
Thanks.
Well, this is how Chinese work. Chinese normally don't have spaces between words. Unlike English there are lots of spaces, Chinese almost have no spaces.

For the suggestions what I have given, mainly I want to capture all the "lv" that is alone from other English, i.e. not preceded or followed by any other English word; and at the same time capture those "lv" that is in between Chinese word, immediately before numbers, that is what the three examples I meant. Sorry for the lack of explaination in the previous email.


 
Brian Vogel 於 25/8/2018 21:18 寫道:

William,

I'm not asking for a phonetic transcription, but a "how would you like those broken apart" description for how the three examples you provided, which follow, should be read (with my guesses afterward):

你的lv?                 你的 level  (and is that question mark the end of a sentence)
我的lv是12           我的 level  是 12
我maxlv了            我 max level 了

This gets very tricky if the first example is the end of a sentence while the others are not.  Also, do you happen to know if the unicode for the entire Chinese character set is sequential, like the unicode for, say, a-z or 0-9 is?

In that last example, would it only be "max" and "min" in the three character positions before lv when used?

The lack of the use of whitespace in these forms makes them trickier to accurately snag and parse apart for substitution for the voice synthesizer.  They look like something that would be unpronouncable without being broken into several units.
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Re: Future of speech synth add ons

 

Oh, I forgot to mention in my first post that those using Codefactory's Sapi version of their synth probably won't be affected. Thanks for bringing that up.
If Tifflotecnia's add on stops working with future NVDA releases and no update has been released, I may have to consider either buying a Sapi version of Vocalizer from Codefactory, or switching to Windows OneCore (the Windows OneCore does include a Thai voice now, at least).


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Sky Mundell
 

Fortunately, I use a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence from Kodefactory         

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of speech synth add ons

 

I use an older Eloquence ad-on and a couple other synths that I would hate to lose. Will definitely need to back everything up.


On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:25 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Since NVDA 2018.3 will adopt WxPython 4 and thus rendering older add ons incompatible, I wonder does this means that current speech synth add ons E.G those from Codefactory and Tifflotecnia needs to be updated in order to maintain compatibility?
If so, then I'm really worried since I use the Vocalizer from Tifflotecnia and that add on hasn't receive major updates for so long. I can't say about the one from Codefactory as I didn't use that version but I would be worried too if it hasn't receive major updates in a while.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

I hope they can update Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer for NVDA to the new Vocalizer Expressive version by Nuance, if that's the case, I'm going to purchase a new lisence for the version. I shurely have the contact of Tiflotecnia's administrator, but I still want some updates, since the last was in 2013, I think.
Wow, tyme is going fast as I've never expected to happen!
Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I’m sure tiflotechica will update theirs in a good time
Well, we have been told that a major update is coming, but to this day we haven't seen any major updates from Tifflotecnia. But since NVDA 2018.3 will break compatibility with add ons not updated to support WxPython 4/Python 3 features and given that a number of users have paid for this synth, I still hope Tifflotecnia will release a quick patch to make the synth compatible with NVDA 2018.3, but that hope is not very high to be honest.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

 

I’m sure tiflotechica will update theirs in a good time
Well, we have been told that a major update is coming, but to this day we haven't seen any major updates from Tifflotecnia. But since NVDA 2018.3 will break compatibility with add ons not updated to support WxPython 4/Python 3 features and given that a number of users have paid for this synth, I still hope Tifflotecnia will release a quick patch to make the synth compatible with NVDA 2018.3, but that hope is not very high to be honest.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Devin Prater
 

I’m sure tiflotechica will update theirs in a good time, but I doubt Code factory will. In any case, the community will update their addons just fine, I’m sure. 

On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Perhaps someone needs to notify both Tifflotecnia and Codefactory about the pending change in NVDA (if this hasn't been done already), so they can update their add ons to support NVDA 2018.3.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

 

Perhaps someone needs to notify both Tifflotecnia and Codefactory about the pending change in NVDA (if this hasn't been done already), so they can update their add ons to support NVDA 2018.3.


Re: Future of speech synth add ons

kelby carlson
 

I use an older Eloquence ad-on and a couple other synths that I would hate to lose. Will definitely need to back everything up.


On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:25 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Since NVDA 2018.3 will adopt WxPython 4 and thus rendering older add ons incompatible, I wonder does this means that current speech synth add ons E.G those from Codefactory and Tifflotecnia needs to be updated in order to maintain compatibility?
If so, then I'm really worried since I use the Vocalizer from Tifflotecnia and that add on hasn't receive major updates for so long. I can't say about the one from Codefactory as I didn't use that version but I would be worried too if it hasn't receive major updates in a while.


Future of speech synth add ons

 

Since NVDA 2018.3 will adopt WxPython 4 and thus rendering older add ons incompatible, I wonder does this means that current speech synth add ons E.G those from Codefactory and Tifflotecnia needs to be updated in order to maintain compatibility?
If so, then I'm really worried since I use the Vocalizer from Tifflotecnia and that add on hasn't receive major updates for so long. I can't say about the one from Codefactory as I didn't use that version but I would be worried too if it hasn't receive major updates in a while.


Re: the latest version of add on updater

Kwork
 

Simple answer: There is no stable version. It is a prototype as the website says. If you want a stable version only, uninstall it and pretend it does not exist. As I believe it's supposed to be integrated into NVDA core at some point, it'll probably never be released as a "stable" version. Joseph Lee can correct us if I'm wrong.

Travis

On 8/25/2018 6:24 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I am using nvda latest version.  I can't find a stable version of the add on updater for nvda.  Can you please tell me how to get stable version because I am running the development version.




the latest version of add on updater

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Hay I am using nvda latest version.  I can't find a stable version of the add on updater for nvda.  Can you please tell me how to get stable version because I am running the development version.


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Tyler Spivey
 

No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille.  I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS?  I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22.  If not, I do have
others here that will run.

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