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Re: NVDA 2018.3: wxPython 4 is not the same thing as Python 3

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Yes but from what I read at the start, and have not looked of late, the fixes will be done for commonly used Synths, but in the case of externally sourced ones this will have to mean the cooperation of those companies in rewriting their code.
Espeak will, I imagine be fixable. I like Espeak, as its fast and does not have the problems of real voices ie garbled at speed and the terrible lisp of Eloquence for uk English listeners.

Incidentally, I suppose as long as an add on makes no use of the gui for the wx4  versions of nvda, then most things will still work. So add ons with their own set ups etc will be the issue.
Incidentally for all our xp readers, Toolbar Explorer will run on that older nvda version for that  system. I tried it last night.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 5:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3: wxPython 4 is not the same thing as Python 3

Hi all,

For the last few hours, there has been a thread regarding incompatibility of
some add-ons and NVDA 2018.3, with some folks claiming that speech
synthesizers are not compatible. This information is mostly false, and this
may have been driven by confusion regarding wxPython 4 versus Python 3.

wxPython: NVDA 2018.3 will upgrade wxPython GUI toolkit to version 4.0.3, a
necessary milestone for the eventual migration to Python 3. If an add-on
uses attributes that are not found in newer wxPython releases, they won't
load. Likewise, an add-on that exclusively uses wxPython 4 material won't
work in older NVDA releases. At least some GUI elements of speech
synthesizer drivers are affected, and that's the reason why there has been
an uproar regarding an important add-on. Regarding speech synthesizer
drivers and GUI issues, they produce minor warnings, but apart from that,
they are usable (but not forever).

Python 3: Python is a programming language. Therefore, moving from one
version of a programming language to the next can be challenging, especially
if it introduces incompatible syntax and throws away old internal
assumptions. Python 2 to 3 migration will go through both issues and much
more, and research suggests that many NVDA features and add-ons will be
affected, including some synthesizers the community uses (sorry, Espeak,
you're included in this mix). Specifically, due to prevalence of Unicode,
it'll take some time to come up with routines that will work with text
formatted as Unicode and other encodings, and unfortunately, some speech
synthesizers will insist on using ANSI format strings when in fact Python 3
wants to read and write Unicode (Espeak is a notable case).

In regards to add-ons, any add-on that deals with text processing are
affected (speech synthesizers, for example). Also, if they use Python
standard library (various Python modules), they need to take note of
differences between Python 2 and 3, especially in regards to module and
function renames (_winreg versus winreg, the former with an underscore and
the latter without).

A more general overview of what will it take to move NVDA to Python 3 can be
found at:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7105

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: Future of speech synth add ons

Chris

#46005

Kerching kerching kerching :D

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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 August 2018 09:41
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of speech synth add ons

Why, I am pretty sure the next release of nvda will work as mentioned in

the recent thread on here. I would hope that the developers of synth drivers

will be kept well up to speed before bridges are burned on python 2.7 in

favour of a later version.

It would surely be silly not to do this from a userbase point of view.

Brian

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From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@...>

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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of speech synth add ons

>I also use Vocalizer from Code Factory, so it looks like I, too, will have

>to find another synthesizer when the new NVDA update comes out. How can I

>get more One-Core voices? The only options I see in the preferences are

>David, Zera, and Mark.

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Re: off topic windows live mail - desperate

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#46004

Yes the I found for example it was perfectly possible for some word documents when loaded into Jart to print out with some Greek or similar characters for no obvious reason at all.

It might be good to look for print problems in other software and update drivers of find a font that works. If on the other hand the characters are in fact like this on screen then it could be that the version of live mail has some settings wrong, ie set to serilic windows or something daft.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic windows live mail - desperate

I guess the first question is what font is she using?

The defaults under WLM tend to work "out of the box".

I am suspecting this is actually something utterly independent of WLM, as I've encountered instances of printers with a character set mind of their own on a couple of occasions over the decades. My first test is to see if the printer behaves similarly from other programs, such as Notepad or Word.

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Re: Future of speech synth add ons

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#46003

Why, I am pretty sure  the next release of nvda will work as mentioned in the recent thread on here. I would hope that the developers of synth drivers will be kept well up to speed before bridges are burned on python 2.7 in favour of a later version.
It would surely be silly not to do this from a userbase point of view.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abbie Taylor" <abbietaylor945@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of speech synth add ons

I also use Vocalizer from Code Factory, so it looks like I, too, will have to find another synthesizer when the new NVDA update comes out. How can I get more One-Core voices? The only options I see in the preferences are David, Zera, and Mark.

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Re: Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

Chris

#46002

Yes, same issue here as well, along with no speech output after using the mail app on some occasions but not all the time

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From: David Moore
Sent: 27 August 2018 01:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

Hi all!

I hope you can help me.

Lately, in the mail app, if I use the arrow keys to read word by word, or line by line, the same word, letter, or line will repeat, even if I am on another line, letter, or word.

When I try to correct my emails, I have to use the text commands to read with the review cursor, and press the command to bring the focus to the review cursor, and make the correction.

My messages read fine with the review cursor, but it is getting almost impossible to read my message with the arrow keys and the focus.

I am using latest alpha build, latest Mail app update, and Windows 1803.

It is the win10 mail app.

I have tried turning off my add-ons except for Windows app essentials, but it does not help.

Let me know if any of you are having this problem with the Win10 mail app with NVDA.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: Free Synthesizers

The Wolf

#46001

windows 8 used the same voices that windows 10 does but am not sure if the mark voice was added when windows10 came out or if it was present on windows8

I personally didn't use windows8 much so I can not be 100 percent sure.

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On 8/26/2018 4:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Agreed. Windows 10 actually has better synths than my Windows 7 did, where I only had Microsoft Anna for SAPI 5. Now I have at least three choices, and possibly more, though I haven't figured out how to add them yet. I can't speak for Windows 8 as I never had it.

Travis

On 8/26/2018 11:09 AM, Jackie wrote:
Then Brian V's response was right on the money, wherever the money went lol.

On 8/26/18, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com> wrote:
Windows 10 unfortunately.
On Aug 26, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

What version of Windows do you run, Kelby?

On 8/26/18, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
MS SAPI 5 and One Core.

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Re: Hi All, This is Michael Munn and I'm also an user of the NVDA Screen Reader. I have been using NVDA for 2 years now. Technology change rapetly now days so I need to master more than one screen reader. I’m also !a JAWS user. I have been using JAW

Gene

#46000

You put your message in the subject line.

Gene

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Munn

Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:59 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Hi All, This is Michael Munn and I'm also an user of the NVDA Screen Reader. I have been using NVDA for 2 years now. Technology change rapetly now days so I need to master more than one screen reader. I’m also !a JAWS user. I have been using JAWS for 3 years. I heard about this list from the NVDA Anual conference in June of this year. NVDA is a good Screen Reader Thanks and have a nice evening. Best Regards michael Munn

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Hi All, This is Michael Munn and I'm also an user of the NVDA Screen Reader. I have been using NVDA for 2 years now. Technology change rapetly now days so I need to master more than one screen reader. I’m also !a JAWS user. I have been using JAWS for 3 years. I heard about this list from the NVDA Anual conference in June of this year. NVDA is a good Screen Reader Thanks and have a nice evening. Best Regards michael Munn

Michael Munn

#45999

"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."

Harold Russell,

Des Moines

1968

Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Delegate:
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind

www.hadley.edu

Email address:

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