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Re: Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

 

Hi,

There may or may not be announcements regarding this add-on on this list for a while, as I plan to shift attention to the corresponding NVDA feature in order to apply lessons learned through this add-on. The next big thing might be ability to update Windows 10 App Essentials through Add-on Updater, but that won’t happen until October at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:22 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater August 27th build (proof of concept) is now available. This build brings:

 

  • User experience feedback: when add-on updates dialog appears, all add-on checkboxes will be checked by default. This is in response to feedback from people regarding user experience of having this checked/unchecked. My original intent was to check them, but couldn’t find a solution for a while. This fix also addresses a problem where users of most recent releases could not update their add-ons due to missing wxPython attribute when running NVDA 2018.2.1.
  • Development snapshot download: fixed an issue where if you told Add-on Updater to download development versions of add-ons, it would download stable releases instead. This was internal to the add-on – no changes to add-on server.

 

Important notes:

  • If you are running NVDA 2018.2.x and happen to use August 25th build (the original, not revision A), you need to apply this update manually. To do so, go to NVDA add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org), go to “add-ons under development”, look for Add-on Updater, and download the build offered.
  • This is a proof of concept add-on, thus no stable build will be released and should be used to send feedback regarding add-on update feature in NVDA (which I’m working on).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: webpage shortcuts using Firefox

ely.r@...
 

Glen,

I am running Windows 10 and Firefox, and use much the same process as you. I had always deselected whatever item was the default selected before creating the new shortcut. I thought that was likely the different. However I tried your step by step without the deselect and it worked fine. When you finish your process, is there a new Icon with the correct name on your desktop?

Guess this was not of much help.

Rick

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] webpage shortcuts using firefox

 

I don’t know why the way I do it in Windows 7 won’t work.

I go to the page, and go to the address field, with alt + D.

Then I do the copy command, control + C, it’s already highlighted.

Then I go to the desktop and I usually unselect whatever is there, but I don’t think this is necessary, with control + space bar.

Then I tap the applications key and arrow to new and open that and enter on shortcut.

Then I paste the URL I copied before, with control + V.

Then I enter and give it a name and I’m done.

It took a lot longer to write this out than this procedure takes.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] webpage shortcuts using firefox

 

The default method is drag and drop, which is not particularly convenient for screen reader users.

See this article on intowindows.com entitled, How To Create Website Shortcut On Desktop In Windows 10, which gives you alternative methods for creating desktop shortcuts to websites that are applicable no matter what web browser you're using.

If your default web browser is something other than Internet Explorer (and it should be) you can still use the trick of using IE just to create the desktop shortcut from the webpage currently visible.  The shortcut on the desktop will open in whatever your chosen default web browser happens to be, as what's created is nothing more than a shortcut to a web page and those are always opened by the default web browser you've chosen.

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Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater August 27th build (proof of concept) is now available. This build brings:

 

  • User experience feedback: when add-on updates dialog appears, all add-on checkboxes will be checked by default. This is in response to feedback from people regarding user experience of having this checked/unchecked. My original intent was to check them, but couldn’t find a solution for a while. This fix also addresses a problem where users of most recent releases could not update their add-ons due to missing wxPython attribute when running NVDA 2018.2.1.
  • Development snapshot download: fixed an issue where if you told Add-on Updater to download development versions of add-ons, it would download stable releases instead. This was internal to the add-on – no changes to add-on server.

 

Important notes:

  • If you are running NVDA 2018.2.x and happen to use August 25th build (the original, not revision A), you need to apply this update manually. To do so, go to NVDA add-ons website (addons.nvda-project.org), go to “add-ons under development”, look for Add-on Updater, and download the build offered.
  • This is a proof of concept add-on, thus no stable build will be released and should be used to send feedback regarding add-on update feature in NVDA (which I’m working on).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

David Moore
 

I keep my computers on as well, and I restart them often!

When I arrow down through a message, the same line repeats, and I have had to use the review cursor!

That is really weird!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 7:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

 

Laptop is on most of the day and off at night but I Maybe reboot once or twice a day or when I have to for a update for example

And hibernation is disabled

 

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 27 August 2018 10:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

 

Do you actually reboot your machines regularly? IE even on windows 7 these

weird sluggish problems occur if I just hibernate or whatever windows.

 

Brian

 

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Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

 

 

Yes, same issue here as well, along with no speech output after using the

mail app on some occasions but not all the time

 

 

From: David Moore

Sent: 27 August 2018 01:03

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

 

Hi all!

I hope you can help me.

Lately, in the mail app, if I use the arrow keys to read word by word, or

line by line, the same word, letter, or line will repeat, even if I am on

another line, letter, or word.

When I try to correct my emails, I have to use the text commands to read

with the review cursor, and press the command to bring the focus to the

review cursor, and make the correction.

My messages read fine with the review cursor, but it is getting almost

impossible to read my message with the arrow keys and the focus.

I am using latest alpha build, latest Mail app update, and Windows 1803.

It is the win10 mail app.

I have tried turning off my add-ons except for Windows app essentials, but

it does not help.

Let me know if any of you are having this problem with the Win10 mail app

with NVDA.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: webpage shortcuts using firefox

 

Glenn,

            What you document should work just fine under Windows 10.  In fact, it's the easiest way for screen reader users since both Firefox and Chrome have gone to drag and drop as the default method for creating browser shortcuts on the desktop.

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Re: Free Synthesizers

Ervin, Glenn
 

Would increasing the speed in control panel correspondingly increase NVDA’s highest speed?

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free Synthesizers

 

I know of no way to increase the speed higher than "rate of 100."

Yours is a common complaint.  I'd submit a suggestion that the top rate be increased significantly via the Feedback Hub, then post the link to same here for folks to be able to upvote it.

It amazes me how many screen reader users can understand a speech rate that leaves most of the rest of the world scratching their heads (including me)!  But I also get why that's an incredibly valuable skill to develop.
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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Gene
 

Windows Live Mail has both those features, a search feature that is just as good as Outlook Express and returning to a folder and having your previous position remembered. 
 
As I may have said here before, because of the inconveniences and problems many people have with continuing to use a completely outdated program, I wouldn't use Outlook Express unless it had one or more features I considered essential or very important compared with other programs.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Thunderbird had both of these features as well and, with first letter folder navigation now available, that is another reason not to continue to use Outlook Express.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

The only problem with Outlook in my opinion, is its lousy search features.

In outlook Express, we can put something in every message field to really narrow the search, and the time frame is much easier and customizable to use than it is in Outlook.

I save many messages for later reference and the searches for old messages is much faster with Outlook Express than it is with Outlook.

For me, that is a significant drawback with Outlook.

The one thing I can state that I like about Outlook over Outlook Express, is the way you can go to another folder and when you return to the inbox, you are in the same place in the list of messages from where you left the inbox.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I'm using Microsoft Outlook for email now. I haven't even scratched the surface with all the features.

And you're far from alone in that.  When dealing with any complex program most individual users use far less than 10% of the features as a whole and even then only customize a few of those.

All one has to do is think about any of the other Microsoft Office suite programs, other office suites, Thunderbird, most web browsers, and more and how they use them to realize that they "haven't even scratched the surface with all the features."

There are lots of things in the MS Office suite of programs that I've never touched, including some of the programs themselves (e.g., OneNote).
 
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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Ervin, Glenn
 

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory issues were the problem.
Glenn

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard address space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging and allow access of code into pages which normally shared the same address space, slowing things down a lot due to having to store the registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare. Nurse the screens!

Brian

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From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could run
a windows machine with dos box.
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.




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Re: webpage shortcuts using firefox

Ervin, Glenn
 

I don’t know why the way I do it in Windows 7 won’t work.

I go to the page, and go to the address field, with alt + D.

Then I do the copy command, control + C, it’s already highlighted.

Then I go to the desktop and I usually unselect whatever is there, but I don’t think this is necessary, with control + space bar.

Then I tap the applications key and arrow to new and open that and enter on shortcut.

Then I paste the URL I copied before, with control + V.

Then I enter and give it a name and I’m done.

It took a lot longer to write this out than this procedure takes.

Glenn

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] webpage shortcuts using firefox

 

The default method is drag and drop, which is not particularly convenient for screen reader users.

See this article on intowindows.com entitled, How To Create Website Shortcut On Desktop In Windows 10, which gives you alternative methods for creating desktop shortcuts to websites that are applicable no matter what web browser you're using.

If your default web browser is something other than Internet Explorer (and it should be) you can still use the trick of using IE just to create the desktop shortcut from the webpage currently visible.  The shortcut on the desktop will open in whatever your chosen default web browser happens to be, as what's created is nothing more than a shortcut to a web page and those are always opened by the default web browser you've chosen.

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Re: strange behavior with add on updater

Kwork
 

It's under the Add-ons under development link:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/dev.en.html

On 8/27/2018 7:27 AM, Brice Mijares wrote:
Is the manual install located at NVDA Community Add-ons website , if so, I didn't find it.

On 8/26/2018 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And the solution has been revealed in the form of Revision A for August 25th snapshot, with the bug caused by a wxPython attribute that isn't available in NVDA 2018.2.1. I'm about to upload August 27th snapshot that not only includes a fix for this (for those who haven't applied revision A), but also will check add-on checkboxes by default so you can update add-ons.
Note that the new build will require manual install for those using August 25th build (not revision A).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater



Hello Andy.  I had the same issue Tony reported and am glad it installed for you.  This is the first time I have had any trouble.  No doubt all will be revealed.

Ian Westerland





On 8/27/2018 1:49 PM, Andy wrote:
When i launched NVDA yesterday the update dialogue came up and i had
no problem installing the update.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater


Hi Tony.  I was about to write to the list on the same subject.  At
first I wondered if there was some kind of bug when the notification
appeared several hours apart but I am convinced it isn't a bug.

Looking forward to the answer and a possible remedy.

Ian Westerland




On 8/27/2018 1:40 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy,


The latest version of the add on updater came out yesterday. When I
check the option to install it, the only button that shows up is a
close button. I went through the dialog box, and the only things that
are in there are the checkbox to select the update and the close button.
What's up with that, where's the install button for the darn thing?
Slightly perplexed.


Tony
















Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Kwork
 

Yep, I couldn't get NVDA to read anything in the setup screen, so just grabbed Thunderbird instead.

On 8/27/2018 7:20 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
I was able to set the Windows 10 mail program up using JFW.
Is there a problem doing it with NVDA?
Glenn


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

I use Thunderbird. It's very easy to download and install if you get it from www.ninite.com. Some settings need to be tweaked in order for it to work well with a screen reader. I have instructions if anybody needs them. I've noticed lately that it's sluggish on start-up, so you just need to be patient and after a while, it'll work normally. The Windows 10 mail app also works well with NVDA, but set-up only works with Narrator, and it doesn't have all the features that Thunderbird does. I hope this is helpful.

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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

The only problem with Outlook in my opinion, is its lousy search features.

In outlook Express, we can put something in every message field to really narrow the search, and the time frame is much easier and customizable to use than it is in Outlook.

I save many messages for later reference and the searches for old messages is much faster with Outlook Express than it is with Outlook.

For me, that is a significant drawback with Outlook.

The one thing I can state that I like about Outlook over Outlook Express, is the way you can go to another folder and when you return to the inbox, you are in the same place in the list of messages from where you left the inbox.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I'm using Microsoft Outlook for email now. I haven't even scratched the surface with all the features.

And you're far from alone in that.  When dealing with any complex program most individual users use far less than 10% of the features as a whole and even then only customize a few of those.

All one has to do is think about any of the other Microsoft Office suite programs, other office suites, Thunderbird, most web browsers, and more and how they use them to realize that they "haven't even scratched the surface with all the features."

There are lots of things in the MS Office suite of programs that I've never touched, including some of the programs themselves (e.g., OneNote).
 
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Re: Beeping paragraphs

Jonathan COHN
 

Larry,
Were you also complaining about issues with the ZoomText reader recently not behaving as expected. If so, did both issues start at the same time as far as you can tell? I don't have any additional ideas, but perhaps the two are related.

Take care,

Jonathan Cohn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Silvermintz
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Beeping paragraphs
Importance: Low

The Line Indentation reporting was off, so please tell me what other culprits y'all suspect please.


Re: strange behavior with add on updater

Brice Mijares
 

thank you.

On 8/27/2018 7:29 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
As the add-on is under development, you won't find it on the front page - you need to go to "add-ons under development" section.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 7:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater
Is the manual install located at NVDA Community Add-ons website , if so, I didn't find it.
On 8/26/2018 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And the solution has been revealed in the form of Revision A for August 25th snapshot, with the bug caused by a wxPython attribute that isn't available in NVDA 2018.2.1. I'm about to upload August 27th snapshot that not only includes a fix for this (for those who haven't applied revision A), but also will check add-on checkboxes by default so you can update add-ons.
Note that the new build will require manual install for those using August 25th build (not revision A).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian
Westerland
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater



Hello Andy. I had the same issue Tony reported and am glad it installed for you. This is the first time I have had any trouble. No doubt all will be revealed.

Ian Westerland





On 8/27/2018 1:49 PM, Andy wrote:
When i launched NVDA yesterday the update dialogue came up and i had
no problem installing the update.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater


Hi Tony. I was about to write to the list on the same subject. At
first I wondered if there was some kind of bug when the notification
appeared several hours apart but I am convinced it isn't a bug.

Looking forward to the answer and a possible remedy.

Ian Westerland




On 8/27/2018 1:40 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy,


The latest version of the add on updater came out yesterday. When I
check the option to install it, the only button that shows up is a
close button. I went through the dialog box, and the only things
that are in there are the checkbox to select the update and the close button.
What's up with that, where's the install button for the darn thing?
Slightly perplexed.


Tony















Re: firefox ?

Danni
 

Thanks Brian!

I have no clue which version it was other than older and working correctly! haha

All I know is I rebooted and got welcome to firefox ugg I had made sure last time that I set it to not update yet it updated sigh!

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox ?


Which version of Firefox were you using before?
I would actually suggest two things. If you are the sort of person who only puts your computer to sleep, try a complete shut down and restart.

If that works, all well and good if not, try running the register tool in nvda. I suspect this might make no difference as I think it runs at boot up anyway, but worth a try.
It is worth noting that there are a significant number of us who have had this issue with the Quantum builds so if you were using 52 before, then you might be on of us. For those my fix is Waterfox which is a 64 bit version of firefox with whatever the problem in Firefox recent builds omitted.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 12:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] firefox ?



it updated on me yesterday grr had it set not to but apparently it doesn't much matter! anyway since it updated it's not loading pages I just get blank blank blank unless I hit windows escape and arrow over to the page then it will let me read but it's sluggish!

I noticed also that if I turn off brouse mode it will let me tab down and it will read though obviously not everything which makes me think it's a brouse mode issue on firefox but I have no clue for sure?

it's firefox 61.0.2 I believe






Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

I find web mail time consuming.
My ISP sometimes, like several times a week, won't work with any of my eMail clients, in that I can receive, but sometimes not send from an eMail client, and I have tried a variety of clients to see if it was the program.
I have spent hours on the phone with CableOne support to no resolve.
But as a work-around, I use their web mail interface for sending mail, when I discover that again my messages aren't going out, and I must say that in my opinion, the web interface should be the utility of last resort when using a screenreader.
Their default settings is a format called Ajax, and I have never looked into what that is, but that definitely does not work with a screenreader.
But whatever the format, I think the web access for mail is less efficient than an eMail client.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

Nah I use gmail all the time and it is perfically usable. In fact it is getting better.



On 23 Aug 2018, at 12:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I was under the impression that google had just made its email online
full of rubbish and almost unusable. I think I'd use gmail if I only
had gmail accounts, but I don't and attempting to use different web
interfaces for different providers did my head in so I use pop3 mostly
with Imap when I need to see the spam folder.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email


I use gmail.com and the basic html view. Works here. I don’t use
nor
like any email programs on windows.

Take care

On 23 Aug 2018, at 0:33, Kwork wrote:

I imagine I'll get more than one opinion here, but what do people
use
in
Windows 10 for email? Other questions would include, accessible out
of
the
box, and if not, what needs to happen, additional tweaks, apps, etc.
Thanks
for any help!







Re: strange behavior with add on updater

 

Hi,
As the add-on is under development, you won't find it on the front page - you need to go to "add-ons under development" section.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 7:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater

Is the manual install located at NVDA Community Add-ons website , if so, I didn't find it.

On 8/26/2018 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And the solution has been revealed in the form of Revision A for August 25th snapshot, with the bug caused by a wxPython attribute that isn't available in NVDA 2018.2.1. I'm about to upload August 27th snapshot that not only includes a fix for this (for those who haven't applied revision A), but also will check add-on checkboxes by default so you can update add-ons.
Note that the new build will require manual install for those using August 25th build (not revision A).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian
Westerland
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater



Hello Andy. I had the same issue Tony reported and am glad it installed for you. This is the first time I have had any trouble. No doubt all will be revealed.

Ian Westerland





On 8/27/2018 1:49 PM, Andy wrote:
When i launched NVDA yesterday the update dialogue came up and i had
no problem installing the update.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater


Hi Tony. I was about to write to the list on the same subject. At
first I wondered if there was some kind of bug when the notification
appeared several hours apart but I am convinced it isn't a bug.

Looking forward to the answer and a possible remedy.

Ian Westerland




On 8/27/2018 1:40 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy,


The latest version of the add on updater came out yesterday. When I
check the option to install it, the only button that shows up is a
close button. I went through the dialog box, and the only things
that are in there are the checkbox to select the update and the close button.
What's up with that, where's the install button for the darn thing?
Slightly perplexed.


Tony















Re: strange behavior with add on updater

Brice Mijares
 

Is the manual install located at NVDA Community Add-ons website , if so, I didn't find it.

On 8/26/2018 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
And the solution has been revealed in the form of Revision A for August 25th snapshot, with the bug caused by a wxPython attribute that isn't available in NVDA 2018.2.1. I'm about to upload August 27th snapshot that not only includes a fix for this (for those who haven't applied revision A), but also will check add-on checkboxes by default so you can update add-ons.
Note that the new build will require manual install for those using August 25th build (not revision A).
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater
Hello Andy. I had the same issue Tony reported and am glad it installed for you. This is the first time I have had any trouble. No doubt all will be revealed.
Ian Westerland
On 8/27/2018 1:49 PM, Andy wrote:
When i launched NVDA yesterday the update dialogue came up and i had
no problem installing the update.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Westerland"
<iwesterl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange behavior with add on updater


Hi Tony. I was about to write to the list on the same subject. At
first I wondered if there was some kind of bug when the notification
appeared several hours apart but I am convinced it isn't a bug.

Looking forward to the answer and a possible remedy.

Ian Westerland




On 8/27/2018 1:40 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy,


The latest version of the add on updater came out yesterday. When I
check the option to install it, the only button that shows up is a
close button. I went through the dialog box, and the only things that
are in there are the checkbox to select the update and the close button.
What's up with that, where's the install button for the darn thing?
Slightly perplexed.


Tony









Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

I was able to set the Windows 10 mail program up using JFW.
Is there a problem doing it with NVDA?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 5:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

I use Thunderbird. It's very easy to download and install if you get it from www.ninite.com. Some settings need to be tweaked in order for it to work well with a screen reader. I have instructions if anybody needs them. I've noticed lately that it's sluggish on start-up, so you just need to be patient and after a while, it'll work normally. The Windows 10 mail app also works well with NVDA, but set-up only works with Narrator, and it doesn't have all the features that Thunderbird does. I hope this is helpful.

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Re: strange behavior with add on updater

Brice Mijares
 

The same happened to me yesterday, and again this morning.

On 8/26/2018 8:44 PM, Ian Westerland wrote:
Hi Tony.  I was about to write to the list on the same subject.  At first I wondered if there was some kind of bug when the notification appeared several hours apart but I am convinced it isn't a bug.
Looking forward to the answer and a possible remedy.
Ian Westerland
On 8/27/2018 1:40 PM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Howdy,


The latest version of the add on updater came out yesterday. When I
check the option to install it, the only button that shows up is a close
button.   I went through the dialog box, and the only things that are in
there are the checkbox to select the update and the close button.
What's up with that, where's the install button for the darn thing?
Slightly perplexed.


Tony