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Re: Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Gene
 

This shows that if an add-on is developed and approved, unless it is a proprietary for profit add-on, it should be required that the code be released on approval.
 
Since this is a crowd funded add-on, that isn't just what should be done, it is what is morally owed to those who contributed.  Maybe they wouldn't have if they had known that, years later, the code is not available and there money may have only developed an add on that could be used for a few years.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Well, here’s hoping he can be convinced to release his part of the source to not b in violation of the GPL licence. But given his track record I’ll be surprised if he even does. I love that add on and don’t want to see it die.

On 27 Aug 2018, at 15:02, Kwork wrote:

Hope broke for some people, but not for others. Mine still works for some strange reason even with my WinX upgrade.

I checked it just now.

On 8/27/2018 2:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep same with hope. It broke, the person had emailed the author with error logs etc a few years ago and had not heard back. It’s sad really, so this does not surprise me at all. I did not fund it knowing who had developed it, or at least who had helped developed it.

On 26 Aug 2018, at 13:57, Chris G wrote:

QCast is another product that won't work when more and more podcasts start serving their audio over SSL or secure feeds.
I found a workaround for my podcast but it won't work forever. 
Asked the developer to update QCast so it would work with SSL feeds.  I heard crickets. 
It is too bad.


From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 3:02 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Yep that’s normal behavior for this person. I got reported and called a doosh bag for calling him out publicly on twitter, but he is showing the same behavior again.

Take care all

On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:47, The Wolf wrote:

he never responds to emails either

On 8/26/2018 9:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have to agree. I’ve seen this behavior with one of the devs wiht a lot of his programs, the qube anybody, and the thing he did for pandora for windows? Yeah. So frankly I’m not surprised


I do agree this should be a part of nvda’s core and if we don’t use it, we don’t have to. And eah this dev has broken other things with gpl with his apps as well, so again, not surprised. Good apps but horable bedside manners?

Take care

On 26 Aug 2018, at 4:48, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not the official server. Someone studied the connection between remote and the official server and developed an unofficial server so that others could host NVDA remote.  I’ve written to the creators of this addon via email regarding the violations of GPL, however it appears that the creators of this addon don’t care. Therefore, I feel it would be in the interest of both NVAccess and the community at large for NVAccess to take possession of all code associated with the remote addon and incorporate it into NVDA core.

On Aug 26, 2018, at 05:45, dingpengyu <dingpengyu06@...> wrote:

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y


Re: Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, here’s hoping he can be convinced to release his part of the source to not b in violation of the GPL licence. But given his track record I’ll be surprised if he even does. I love that add on and don’t want to see it die.

On 27 Aug 2018, at 15:02, Kwork wrote:

Hope broke for some people, but not for others. Mine still works for some strange reason even with my WinX upgrade.

I checked it just now.

On 8/27/2018 2:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep same with hope. It broke, the person had emailed the author with error logs etc a few years ago and had not heard back. It’s sad really, so this does not surprise me at all. I did not fund it knowing who had developed it, or at least who had helped developed it.

On 26 Aug 2018, at 13:57, Chris G wrote:

QCast is another product that won't work when more and more podcasts start serving their audio over SSL or secure feeds.
I found a workaround for my podcast but it won't work forever. 
Asked the developer to update QCast so it would work with SSL feeds.  I heard crickets. 
It is too bad.


From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 3:02 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Yep that’s normal behavior for this person. I got reported and called a doosh bag for calling him out publicly on twitter, but he is showing the same behavior again.

Take care all

On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:47, The Wolf wrote:

he never responds to emails either

On 8/26/2018 9:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have to agree. I’ve seen this behavior with one of the devs wiht a lot of his programs, the qube anybody, and the thing he did for pandora for windows? Yeah. So frankly I’m not surprised


I do agree this should be a part of nvda’s core and if we don’t use it, we don’t have to. And eah this dev has broken other things with gpl with his apps as well, so again, not surprised. Good apps but horable bedside manners?

Take care

On 26 Aug 2018, at 4:48, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not the official server. Someone studied the connection between remote and the official server and developed an unofficial server so that others could host NVDA remote.  I’ve written to the creators of this addon via email regarding the violations of GPL, however it appears that the creators of this addon don’t care. Therefore, I feel it would be in the interest of both NVAccess and the community at large for NVAccess to take possession of all code associated with the remote addon and incorporate it into NVDA core.

On Aug 26, 2018, at 05:45, dingpengyu <dingpengyu06@...> wrote:

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y


Re: downloding MP3 FILES

Ervin, Glenn
 

The problem exists with Microsoft not showing file extensions by default, and if this is not turned on, folks don't know if it is an MP3 file or an executable file.
I can't imagine using a computer without file extensions being in the filename.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

Several years ago, there was a bug in some mp3 players that would allow malformed headers to trigger some code execution. That was a result of the players, and the way they handled the mp3 headers, not the mp3 format itself. As far as I know, all those players have been patched, so that particular bug is no longer present Since mp3 files contain no executable code, it's extremely unlikely that anyone could receive a virus from one, since there's nothing in an mp3 file that is treated as executable code, and you have to have executable code for viruses to exist/spread, so I'd have to agree on this one that downloading mp3 files by themselves poses zero threat to anyone.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:


Hi, it's probably not possible to get a virus downloading from Youtube
itself. It may be possible though, depending on the converter you're
using to download/convert the video to mp3 format.


On 8/24/2018 7:25 PM, Gene wrote:
You said it is possible to get a virus or malware downloading
from Youtube.  Do you mean possible or impossible?  For that
matter, if you would be infected by downloading, which I really
doubt, why couldn't you be infected by playing the file from the
site?  For reasons I stated in my previous message, I really
doubt you can be infected by downloading from Youtube.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

It’s called WASAPI,, record the sound your speakers outputs

 

It is possible to get a virus or malware downloading fron youtube

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

 

Using “what you hear” or whatever it’s called in Goldwave is
definitely a neat trick and can certainly be really helpful.

 

You can’t really get a virus from an mp3 though.

 

The OP asked for a programme so I assumed he wasn’t talking about a
web browser. Surprised noone’s mentioned Soulseek yet, so I’ll mention
it now. Unfortunately the QT version, the only one being updated,
doesn’t seem very accessible from my standpoint, although apparently
some people have gotten it to work with NVDA…

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: August 24, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

 

I use GoldWave to record songs, that way I can listen to the song as I
rrecord it.  Also you don’t get any virus or trash that is in the
music information such as author, extra url of ads etc…

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

 

hi group

which is the best and most accessible program for windows pc to
downlode mp3 files using NVDA?

thank u

 

kerryn

 

 



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Re: downloding MP3 FILES

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Several years ago, there was a bug in some mp3 players that would allow malformed headers to trigger some code execution. That was a result of the players, and the way they handled the mp3 headers, not the mp3 format itself. As far as I know, all those players have been patched, so that particular bug is no longer present
Since mp3 files contain no executable code, it's extremely unlikely that anyone could receive a virus from one, since there's nothing in an mp3 file that is treated as executable code, and you have to have executable code for viruses to exist/spread, so I'd have to agree on this one that downloading mp3 files by themselves poses zero threat to anyone.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi, it's probably not possible to get a virus downloading from Youtube
itself. It may be possible though, depending on the converter you're using
to download/convert the video to mp3 format.
On 8/24/2018 7:25 PM, Gene wrote:
You said it is possible to get a virus or malware downloading
from Youtube.  Do you mean possible or impossible?  For that
matter, if you would be infected by downloading, which I really
doubt, why couldn't you be infected by playing the file from the
site?  For reasons I stated in my previous message, I really
doubt you can be infected by downloading from Youtube.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
It’s called WASAPI,, record the sound your speakers outputs
 
It is possible to get a virus or malware downloading fron youtube
 
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
Using “what you hear” or whatever it’s called in Goldwave is
definitely a neat trick and can certainly be really helpful.
 
You can’t really get a virus from an mp3 though.
 
The OP asked for a programme so I assumed he wasn’t talking about a
web browser. Surprised noone’s mentioned Soulseek yet, so I’ll mention
it now. Unfortunately the QT version, the only one being updated,
doesn’t seem very accessible from my standpoint, although apparently
some people have gotten it to work with NVDA…
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: August 24, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
I use GoldWave to record songs, that way I can listen to the song as I
rrecord it.  Also you don’t get any virus or trash that is in the
music information such as author, extra url of ads etc…
 
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
 
From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
hi group
which is the best and most accessible program for windows pc to
downlode mp3 files using NVDA?
thank u
 
kerryn
 
 
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Re: Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Kwork
 

Hope broke for some people, but not for others. Mine still works for some strange reason even with my WinX upgrade.

I checked it just now.

On 8/27/2018 2:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep same with hope. It broke, the person had emailed the author with error logs etc a few years ago and had not heard back. It’s sad really, so this does not surprise me at all. I did not fund it knowing who had developed it, or at least who had helped developed it.

On 26 Aug 2018, at 13:57, Chris G wrote:

QCast is another product that won't work when more and more podcasts start serving their audio over SSL or secure feeds.
I found a workaround for my podcast but it won't work forever. 
Asked the developer to update QCast so it would work with SSL feeds.  I heard crickets. 
It is too bad.


From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 3:02 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Yep that’s normal behavior for this person. I got reported and called a doosh bag for calling him out publicly on twitter, but he is showing the same behavior again.

Take care all

On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:47, The Wolf wrote:

he never responds to emails either

On 8/26/2018 9:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have to agree. I’ve seen this behavior with one of the devs wiht a lot of his programs, the qube anybody, and the thing he did for pandora for windows? Yeah. So frankly I’m not surprised


I do agree this should be a part of nvda’s core and if we don’t use it, we don’t have to. And eah this dev has broken other things with gpl with his apps as well, so again, not surprised. Good apps but horable bedside manners?

Take care

On 26 Aug 2018, at 4:48, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not the official server. Someone studied the connection between remote and the official server and developed an unofficial server so that others could host NVDA remote.  I’ve written to the creators of this addon via email regarding the violations of GPL, however it appears that the creators of this addon don’t care. Therefore, I feel it would be in the interest of both NVAccess and the community at large for NVAccess to take possession of all code associated with the remote addon and incorporate it into NVDA core.

On Aug 26, 2018, at 05:45, dingpengyu <dingpengyu06@...> wrote:

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y


Re: Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep same with hope. It broke, the person had emailed the author with error logs etc a few years ago and had not heard back. It’s sad really, so this does not surprise me at all. I did not fund it knowing who had developed it, or at least who had helped developed it.

On 26 Aug 2018, at 13:57, Chris G wrote:

QCast is another product that won't work when more and more podcasts start serving their audio over SSL or secure feeds.
I found a workaround for my podcast but it won't work forever. 
Asked the developer to update QCast so it would work with SSL feeds.  I heard crickets. 
It is too bad.


From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 3:02 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Yep that’s normal behavior for this person. I got reported and called a doosh bag for calling him out publicly on twitter, but he is showing the same behavior again.

Take care all

On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:47, The Wolf wrote:

he never responds to emails either

On 8/26/2018 9:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have to agree. I’ve seen this behavior with one of the devs wiht a lot of his programs, the qube anybody, and the thing he did for pandora for windows? Yeah. So frankly I’m not surprised


I do agree this should be a part of nvda’s core and if we don’t use it, we don’t have to. And eah this dev has broken other things with gpl with his apps as well, so again, not surprised. Good apps but horable bedside manners?

Take care

On 26 Aug 2018, at 4:48, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not the official server. Someone studied the connection between remote and the official server and developed an unofficial server so that others could host NVDA remote.  I’ve written to the creators of this addon via email regarding the violations of GPL, however it appears that the creators of this addon don’t care. Therefore, I feel it would be in the interest of both NVAccess and the community at large for NVAccess to take possession of all code associated with the remote addon and incorporate it into NVDA core.

On Aug 26, 2018, at 05:45, dingpengyu <dingpengyu06@...> wrote:

-- 
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Glenn,

          I will agree that if one uses fields seldom searched on the method of pulling those in under Outlook is tedious.  One nice thing, though, is once you've formulated a search it gets saved in Recent Searches.

          It's interesting that in my step-by-step instructions for doing an Outlook Advanced search for screen reader users I state the following, which I stand by:      Advanced Tab – so seldom used I will not discuss it here.  I used Outlook in several different professional settings over the course of decades and never did a search where I had to call on the Advanced Tab.

 


          I have absolutely no idea regarding comparative search speed.  Some of that's likely dependent on what gets indexed, which Outlook lets you configure, too.

          Like all software each has pluses and minuses.  In the case of e-mail clients certain features are passionately beloved by some, while being considered a big "meh" by others.  The identities feature of OE seems to be one of those.  I never knew of anyone who used it, but it's certainly beloved on the blind and low vision technology groups on which I participate.

          There is no right or wrong here; it's all a matter of personal preference.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Free Synthesizers

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


late to the thread but if they are looking for some free synths and payed ones you can go to the following page at http://accessibilitycentral.net/how%20to%20install%20additional%20nvda%20components.html

They would then need to jump down by headings until they get to headings like  speech platform synths and voices. That page is where you can download all differnt ones.


I can drop box the whole package if some one goes that way just let me know.


there is another speech hub but you must also install the add on for nvda to see the synths You can get back to me if you are unsure where to find the add on.


Gene nz



On 8/28/2018 6:07 AM, George McCoy wrote:

It's a balancing act.  You have to set the rate in the control panel such that it is acceptable for nvda but not too fast for narrator; assuming, of course, that you use Narrator at all.


George

On 8/27/2018 11:03 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

Would increasing the speed in control panel correspondingly increase NVDA’s highest speed?

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free Synthesizers

 

I know of no way to increase the speed higher than "rate of 100."

Yours is a common complaint.  I'd submit a suggestion that the top rate be increased significantly via the Feedback Hub, then post the link to same here for folks to be able to upvote it.

It amazes me how many screen reader users can understand a speech rate that leaves most of the rest of the world scratching their heads (including me)!  But I also get why that's an incredibly valuable skill to develop.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

Brian,

Perhaps one can go to advanced and repetitively select different fields to add to the search, but that is a lot of work to get all that done, prior to your search.

OE offers that to you from the start.

And, I have found that Outlook is slower at its searches than OE is.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Glenn,

          Pick one of your messages saying that the Outlook search is substandard compared to Outlook Express.

          Give me a single example of something you typically search for in OE and I'll bet I can replicate an advanced search for same in Outlook in seconds.  You really can't get more expansive and comprehensive a search mechanism than the Advanced Search function in Outlook provides.  That doesn't mean that the way in which OE allows you to do certain types of searches might be much easier, and I couldn't say because I have not touched OE in decades - it's dead and unsupported software.

           I just take issue with the idea that Outlook doesn't provide a search function that's far more complex and comprehensive than the average user will ever have need for, or even the advanced user will have frequent need for.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Glenn,

          Pick one of your messages saying that the Outlook search is substandard compared to Outlook Express.

          Give me a single example of something you typically search for in OE and I'll bet I can replicate an advanced search for same in Outlook in seconds.  You really can't get more expansive and comprehensive a search mechanism than the Advanced Search function in Outlook provides.  That doesn't mean that the way in which OE allows you to do certain types of searches might be much easier, and I couldn't say because I have not touched OE in decades - it's dead and unsupported software.

           I just take issue with the idea that Outlook doesn't provide a search function that's far more complex and comprehensive than the average user will ever have need for, or even the advanced user will have frequent need for.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Ervin, Glenn
 

Wow, I have searched for those before, and did not find anything, but 150 dollars is a bit much, I think I could buy an old external synth for that.
Cool though, thanks.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

You mean http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isar.html ?

Anony.

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 21:52:24, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a
UsB cable, so we could use those old internal synths. Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with
one of those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just
have to find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386
machines that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned
memory issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths.
This was due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember
only 640k of ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into
the standard address space like in the old home computers of the 80s
did to get more memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate
the hardware paging and allow access of code into pages which
normally shared the same address space, slowing things down a lot
due to having to store the registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare.
Nurse the screens!

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you
could run a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey"
<tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to
talk and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will
run under DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If
not, I do have others here that will run.
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Is there value to providing source code? The answer is unequivocally yes."

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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

Hi Brian,

I don’t know which of my messages you are replying to, you don’t have your messages showing the message that you are replying to, but at any rate, I had already mentioned that folks get to those advanced search options by control + tabbing when you are in the search window, and the only way I know of getting to that search window is shift + control + F.

But those advanced searches are not as good as the search options in Outlook Express.

I would not keep old messages if I could not search through them with a search feature.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Glenn,

            You have never apparently used the Advanced Find feature of Outlook (CTRL + SHIFT + F) which allows you to specify values to search for in virtually any user-visible field, if you go through the Messages, More Choices, and Advanced tabs of that feature. It's been around for quite a while and can be directly invoked when you're in any mailbox.

--

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Antony Stone
 

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 21:52:24, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a UsB
cable, so we could use those old internal synths. Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with one of
those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just have to
find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386 machines
that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory
issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was
due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of
ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard
address space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more
memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging
and allow access of code into pages which normally shared the same
address space, slowing things down a lot due to having to store the
registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare.
Nurse the screens!

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could
run a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.
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leaks of Windows source code on the Internet.

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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Glenn,

            You have never apparently used the Advanced Find feature of Outlook (CTRL + SHIFT + F) which allows you to specify values to search for in virtually any user-visible field, if you go through the Messages, More Choices, and Advanced tabs of that feature. It's been around for quite a while and can be directly invoked when you're in any mailbox.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Ervin, Glenn
 

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a UsB cable, so we could use those old internal synths.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with one of those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just have to find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386 machines that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory
issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was
due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of ram
was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard address
space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more memory.
Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging and allow
access of code into pages which normally shared the same address space,
slowing things down a lot due to having to store the registers and stacks
and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare. Nurse the screens!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could run
a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.




.
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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with one of those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just have to find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386 machines that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard address space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging and allow access of code into pages which normally shared the same address space, slowing things down a lot due to having to store the registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare. Nurse the screens!

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could run
a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.
On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.




.
--
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y









Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Ervin, Glenn
 

I know, you can control + tab to pages with more details, but it still is not as good as in OE.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

You can narrow and define your search in Microsoft Outlook. See the documentation at
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/learn-to-narrow-your-search-criteria-for-better-searches-in-outlook-d824d1e9-a255-4c8a-8553-276fb895a8da

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

The only problem with Outlook in my opinion, is its lousy search features.

In outlook Express, we can put something in every message field to really narrow the search, and the time frame is much easier and customizable to use than it is in Outlook.

I save many messages for later reference and the searches for old messages is much faster with Outlook Express than it is with Outlook.

For me, that is a significant drawback with Outlook.

The one thing I can state that I like about Outlook over Outlook Express, is the way you can go to another folder and when you return to the inbox, you are in the same place in the list of messages from where you left the inbox.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I'm using Microsoft Outlook for email now. I haven't even scratched the surface with all the features.

And you're far from alone in that.  When dealing with any complex program most individual users use far less than 10% of the features as a whole and even then only customize a few of those.

All one has to do is think about any of the other Microsoft Office suite programs, other office suites, Thunderbird, most web browsers, and more and how they use them to realize that they "haven't even scratched the surface with all the features."

There are lots of things in the MS Office suite of programs that I've never touched, including some of the programs themselves (e.g., OneNote).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Jason White
 

You can narrow and define your search in Microsoft Outlook. See the documentation at
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/learn-to-narrow-your-search-criteria-for-better-searches-in-outlook-d824d1e9-a255-4c8a-8553-276fb895a8da

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

The only problem with Outlook in my opinion, is its lousy search features.

In outlook Express, we can put something in every message field to really narrow the search, and the time frame is much easier and customizable to use than it is in Outlook.

I save many messages for later reference and the searches for old messages is much faster with Outlook Express than it is with Outlook.

For me, that is a significant drawback with Outlook.

The one thing I can state that I like about Outlook over Outlook Express, is the way you can go to another folder and when you return to the inbox, you are in the same place in the list of messages from where you left the inbox.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 08:26 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I'm using Microsoft Outlook for email now. I haven't even scratched the surface with all the features.

And you're far from alone in that.  When dealing with any complex program most individual users use far less than 10% of the features as a whole and even then only customize a few of those.

All one has to do is think about any of the other Microsoft Office suite programs, other office suites, Thunderbird, most web browsers, and more and how they use them to realize that they "haven't even scratched the surface with all the features."

There are lots of things in the MS Office suite of programs that I've never touched, including some of the programs themselves (e.g., OneNote).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    A little kindness from person to person is better than a vast love for all humankind.

           ~ Richard Dehmel

 

 


Re: Hi New Screen Curtan in NVDA.

Antony Stone
 

According to https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/screenCurtain.ja.html the
authors of Screen Curtain are B.V. Babbage and Joseph Lee.

Antony.

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 20:49:08, Michael Munn wrote:

Good Afternoon NVDA user's list email subscribers,This is Michael Munn the
new person in the list.
I have a fantastic news to tell you all that the NVDA now come with an Add
on called Screen Curtain.. I think all of you already know this. In case
you don't I'm going to repeat this once again.
This add on soon to be one of the Feature of NVDA that's enable the user of
NVDA to hide their Screen so that wany sighted people can't look after you.

Who is the developer of this unique add on?
I really enjoy this add on.
Thanks once again
Best Regards
Michael Munn
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Hi New Screen Curtan in NVDA.

Michael Munn
 

Good Afternoon NVDA user's list email subscribers,This is Michael Munn the new person in the list.
I have a fantastic news to tell you all that the NVDA now come with an Add on called Screen Curtain.. I think all of you already know this. In case you don't I'm going to repeat this once again. 
This add on soon to be one of the Feature of NVDA that's enable the user of NVDA to hide their Screen so that wany sighted people can't look after you.

Who is the developer of this unique add on?
I really enjoy this add on.
Thanks once again 
Best Regards 
Michael Munn 
"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell, 
Des Moines 
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