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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Gene
 

There is an add-on, I think it's an NVDA add-on that lets you reorder the columns.  I don't know if it can be used with quantum versions of Thunderbird.  You may have to go back to the last nonquantum version or earlier to use it.  There is also a way to do so using drag and drop.  I don't remember how you do it but it can be done. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

Agreed. It took a couple hours to look through all that I could find in
Thunderbird, but I mostly have things the way I want it now.

The only thing I want to do now, and I can't figure out if it's
possible, either natively or with an extension, is to re-order the
columns. I want the sender's name to be announced first rather than the
subject line when in the message listview.

Travis

On 8/27/2018 4:18 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
> In answer to Glenn's question, there is a problem setting up the
> Windows 10 mail app with NVDA. For some reason, it won't read the
> set-up screens, and the only way I could set it up was using Narrator.
> I also had trouble inputting my signature because neither NVDA nor
> Narrator would read that window properly. I've gone back to using
> Thunderbird. Once it gets going, it works pretty well for me.
>
>



Re: Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi David

 

Just to make sure I am replying from the mail app with the latest alfa snap shot. It does not seem to be repeating the letters in focus mode and does not seem to be repeating lines either. I will see also if it reads it bac and can be edited which I think it can.

 

I do not seem to be getting the same effect. Maybe your nvda.ini file has got curupt. If you are using a portable version may be delete out every thing in the folder and make sure it is empty then reinstall nvda into it and see if it fixes the problem

 

Are you using a installer version? Or a portable version?

 

Just hit the nvda key + letter T 3 times to mak     e sure the reply is in mail and got this Inbox - Outlook ‎- Mail

 

I know your level is set to debug which is good. I am not getting the same effect nvda latest alfa of last night and windows 10 ver 1803.

 

I just had to look up shortcuts on how to reply and send I have not used it since it was setup.

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 12:03:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Words and lines repeat in the Mail app!
 

Hi all!

I hope you can help me.

Lately, in the mail app, if I use the arrow keys to read word by word, or line by line, the same word, letter, or line will repeat, even if I am on another line, letter, or word.

When I try to correct my emails, I have to use the text commands to read with the review cursor, and press the command to bring the focus to the review cursor, and make the correction.

My messages read fine with the review cursor, but it is getting almost impossible to read my message with the arrow keys and the focus.

I am using latest alpha build, latest Mail app update, and Windows 1803.

It is the win10 mail app.

I have tried turning off my add-ons except for Windows app essentials, but it does not help.

Let me know if any of you are having this problem with the Win10 mail app with NVDA.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: downloding MP3 FILES

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Oh man, if you get that popup, ignore it, it's nothing but a scam, They're just looking to shake you down for money. They don't do anything for you or your computer. The only way to get rid of that popup is to exit the browser and restart it. It's a shame folks resort to such measures, but there it is.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Kevin wrote:

But the location you download from can give you a virus can’t it?
Isn’t that what that popup that says message you’re your computer has a
virus call us and we’ll help you remove it, if you don’t we’ll be forced to
erase your computer as to not infect our system…  or something like that. 
And that popup doesn’t go away even if you exit your browser and re enter
it!
 
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
 
From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
Several years ago, there was a bug in some mp3 players that would allow
malformed headers to trigger some code execution.  That was a result of
the players, and the way they handled the mp3 headers, not the mp3 format
itself.  As far as I know, all those players have been patched, so that
particular bug is no longer present
Since mp3 files contain no executable code, it's extremely unlikely that
anyone could receive a virus from one, since there's nothing in an mp3
file that is treated as executable code, and you have to have executable
code for viruses to exist/spread, so I'd have to agree on this one that
downloading mp3 files by themselves poses zero threat to anyone.
 
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:
 

Hi, it's probably not possible to get a virus downloading from Youtube
itself. It may be possible though, depending on the converter you're using
to download/convert the video to mp3 format.
On 8/24/2018 7:25 PM, Gene wrote:
       You said it is possible to get a virus or malware downloading
       from Youtube.  Do you mean possible or impossible?  For that
       matter, if you would be infected by downloading, which I really
       doubt, why couldn't you be infected by playing the file from the
       site?  For reasons I stated in my previous message, I really
       doubt you can be infected by downloading from Youtube.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
It’s called WASAPI,, record the sound your speakers outputs
 
It is possible to get a virus or malware downloading fron youtube
 
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
 
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
Using “what you hear” or whatever it’s called in Goldwave is
definitely a neat trick and can certainly be really helpful.
 
You can’t really get a virus from an mp3 though.
 
The OP asked for a programme so I assumed he wasn’t talking about a
web browser. Surprised noone’s mentioned Soulseek yet, so I’ll mention
it now. Unfortunately the QT version, the only one being updated,
doesn’t seem very accessible from my standpoint, although apparently
some people have gotten it to work with NVDA…
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: August 24, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
I use GoldWave to record songs, that way I can listen to the song as I
rrecord it.  Also you don’t get any virus or trash that is in the
music information such as author, extra url of ads etc…
 
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
 
From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
 
hi group
which is the best and most accessible program for windows pc to
downlode mp3 files using NVDA?
thank u
 
kerryn
 
 
[icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]
Virus-free. www.avast.com
 
 
 


Re: Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

Michael Munn
 

Ok thanks for the clearfication. 
I got these two confused. 
Thanks again 
Best regards 
Michael Munn 


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Kwork
 

Agreed. It took a couple hours to look through all that I could find in Thunderbird, but I mostly have things the way I want it now.

The only thing I want to do now, and I can't figure out if it's possible, either natively or with an extension, is to re-order the columns. I want the sender's name to be announced first rather than the subject line when in the message listview.

Travis

On 8/27/2018 4:18 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
In answer to Glenn's question, there is a problem setting up the Windows 10 mail app with NVDA. For some reason, it won't read the set-up screens, and the only way I could set it up was using Narrator. I also had trouble inputting my signature because neither NVDA nor Narrator would read that window properly. I've gone back to using Thunderbird. Once it gets going, it works pretty well for me.


Re: downloding MP3 FILES

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

But the location you download from can give you a virus can’t it?

Isn’t that what that popup that says message you’re your computer has a virus call us and we’ll help you remove it, if you don’t we’ll be forced to erase your computer as to not infect our system…  or something like that.  And that popup doesn’t go away even if you exit your browser and re enter it!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

 

Several years ago, there was a bug in some mp3 players that would allow

malformed headers to trigger some code execution.  That was a result of

the players, and the way they handled the mp3 headers, not the mp3 format

itself.  As far as I know, all those players have been patched, so that

particular bug is no longer present

Since mp3 files contain no executable code, it's extremely unlikely that

anyone could receive a virus from one, since there's nothing in an mp3

file that is treated as executable code, and you have to have executable

code for viruses to exist/spread, so I'd have to agree on this one that

downloading mp3 files by themselves poses zero threat to anyone.

 

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:

 

>

> Hi, it's probably not possible to get a virus downloading from Youtube

> itself. It may be possible though, depending on the converter you're using

> to download/convert the video to mp3 format.

>

>

> On 8/24/2018 7:25 PM, Gene wrote:

>       You said it is possible to get a virus or malware downloading

>       from Youtube.  Do you mean possible or impossible?  For that

>       matter, if you would be infected by downloading, which I really

>       doubt, why couldn't you be infected by playing the file from the

>       site?  For reasons I stated in my previous message, I really

>       doubt you can be infected by downloading from Youtube.

>  

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Kevin

> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

>

> It’s called WASAPI,, record the sound your speakers outputs

>

>  

>

> It is possible to get a virus or malware downloading fron youtube

>

>  

>

> E-mail is golden!!!

> Kevin Lee

>

>  

>

> From: JM Casey

> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:17 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

>

>  

>

> Using “what you hear” or whatever it’s called in Goldwave is

> definitely a neat trick and can certainly be really helpful.

>

>  

>

> You can’t really get a virus from an mp3 though.

>

>  

>

> The OP asked for a programme so I assumed he wasn’t talking about a

> web browser. Surprised noone’s mentioned Soulseek yet, so I’ll mention

> it now. Unfortunately the QT version, the only one being updated,

> doesn’t seem very accessible from my standpoint, although apparently

> some people have gotten it to work with NVDA…

>

>  

>

>  

>

>  

>

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin

> Sent: August 24, 2018 9:08 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

>

>  

>

> I use GoldWave to record songs, that way I can listen to the song as I

> rrecord it.  Also you don’t get any virus or trash that is in the

> music information such as author, extra url of ads etc…

>

>  

>

> E-mail is golden!!!

> Kevin Lee

>

>  

>

> From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:44 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

>

>  

>

> hi group

>

> which is the best and most accessible program for windows pc to

> downlode mp3 files using NVDA?

>

> thank u

>

>  

>

> kerryn

>

>  

>

>  

>

>

>

> [icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]

> Virus-free. www.avast.com

>

>

 

 

 


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Yeh, each copy of soft vert was keyed to the owner's name. I figured out that, by editing the executable, replacing the name with nothing would make it a generic copy. I don't think it's public domain now; but that might be the next best.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Isaac" <bigikemusic@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Wow, you took it way back with vert.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


You mean http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isar.html ?

Anony.

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 21:52:24, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a UsB
cable, so we could use those old internal synths. Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with one of
those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just have to
find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386 machines
that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory
issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was
due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of
ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard
address space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more
memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging
and allow access of code into pages which normally shared the same
address space, slowing things down a lot due to having to store the
registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare.
Nurse the screens!

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could
run a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.
--
"There has always been an underlying argument that we should open up our
source code more broadly. The fact is that we are learning from open source
and we are opening our code more broadly through Shared Source.

Is there value to providing source code? The answer is unequivocally yes."

- Jason Matusow, head of Microsoft's Shared Source Program, in response to
leaks of Windows source code on the Internet.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.




Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yeah, slimware was the one. It became slimware windows bridge after it had a windows version, which according to an interview I saw once, was the first screen reader for windows, but the dos version was pretty good from what I understand. I never used it myself, even after obtaining source code rights, because of not having a dos computer at the time. I have one now, but I can't find the source anymore, so unfortunately, that's a nonstarter. I'll dig around in my various archive locations, and see if I can find the executablesand post them on softcon's file page. Don't how useful it will be to anyone, but what the heck.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Howard Traxler wrote:

Did you mean slimware windows bridge? I have all the files here in an archive; but one needs the disks with the install code to use it. I don't think I have the disks any more.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Provox was a free opensource dos screen reader. You need a hardware synth for it to work, but otherwise, it's free for anyone to use. I believe the zip file you need to hunt for is provox7.zip. I have the source code around here somewhere, as I'd actually intended to keep developoing it after the original author gave up on it, but I never did anything with it. Perhaps, if I can track down the code I have stashed somewhere for the dos version of windowbridge (don't remember what it was called) I can release that as public domain, (not opensource, since I'm not allowed to release the source), but public domain would make it free for anyone to use. I don't think I have source for it, since those cds got lost in my move from Alabama to Virginia, but if I do manage to track it down, I have no problem posting it for anyone who wants to use it.



Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

Did you mean slimware windows bridge? I have all the files here in an archive; but one needs the disks with the install code to use it. I don't think I have the disks any more.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Provox was a free opensource dos screen reader. You need a hardware synth for it to work, but otherwise, it's free for anyone to use. I believe the zip file you need to hunt for is provox7.zip. I have the source code around here somewhere, as I'd actually intended to keep developoing it after the original author gave up on it, but I never did anything with it. Perhaps, if I can track down the code I have stashed somewhere for the dos version of windowbridge (don't remember what it was called) I can release that as public domain, (not opensource, since I'm not allowed to release the source), but public domain would make it free for anyone to use. I don't think I have source for it, since those cds got lost in my move from Alabama to Virginia, but if I do manage to track it down, I have no problem posting it for anyone who wants to use it.



Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Wow, you took it way back with vert.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


You mean http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isar.html ?

Anony.

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 21:52:24, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a UsB
cable, so we could use those old internal synths. Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with one of
those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just have to
find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386 machines
that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned memory
issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths. This was
due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember only 640k of
ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into the standard
address space like in the old home computers of the 80s did to get more
memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate the hardware paging
and allow access of code into pages which normally shared the same
address space, slowing things down a lot due to having to store the
registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare.
Nurse the screens!

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you could
run a windows machine with dos box.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to talk
and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will run under
DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If not, I do have
others here that will run.
--
"There has always been an underlying argument that we should open up our
source code more broadly. The fact is that we are learning from open source
and we are opening our code more broadly through Shared Source.

Is there value to providing source code? The answer is unequivocally yes."

- Jason Matusow, head of Microsoft's Shared Source Program, in response to
leaks of Windows source code on the Internet.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Gene
 

Maybe you should use an earlier version.  The program has changed at version 60, as I understand the version number from another message I saw on this list a few days ago.  You probably wouldn't have the problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

In answer to Glenn's question, there is a problem setting up the Windows
10 mail app with NVDA. For some reason, it won't read the set-up
screens, and the only way I could set it up was using Narrator. I also
had trouble inputting my signature because neither NVDA nor Narrator
would read that window properly. I've gone back to using Thunderbird.
Once it gets going, it works pretty well for me.


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Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

How about an old 386 machine which has an ISA slot, running a terminal program connected via a serial port. There's your external synthesizer.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


Wow, I have searched for those before, and did not find anything, but 150 dollars is a bit much, I think I could buy an old external synth for that.
Cool though, thanks.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

You mean http://arstech.com/install/ecom-prodshow/usb2isar.html ?

Anony.

On Monday 27 August 2018 at 21:52:24, Ervin, Glenn wrote:

I wish someone would make a little box with an ISA slot in it, with a
UsB cable, so we could use those old internal synths. Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard
Traxler
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Well, I think I can use vocal-eyes or jaws for dos or soft vert with
one of those decTalk boards or and echo plus or lite talk. I'll just
have to find a system board that has an ISA slot. I have a few 386
machines that'll do it.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@nebraska.gov>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

Jaws For Dos did with SmoothTalker, using the SoundBlaster soundcard.
It was not a reliable screenreader, I think the aforementioned
memory issues were the problem.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

The point is that as far as I am aware nobody built in any kind of
support for sound cards for a dos machine, only external synths.
This was due to the slower processors and lack of memory, remember
only 640k of ram was available, most higher amounts were paged into
the standard address space like in the old home computers of the 80s
did to get more memory. Doing this involved a lot of code to operate
the hardware paging and allow access of code into pages which
normally shared the same address space, slowing things down a lot
due to having to store the registers and stacks and then do the switch etc. It was a nightmare.
Nurse the screens!

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "The Wolf" <hank.smith966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS

but don't you still need to run a screen reader for dos box?

I haven't used dos in so long things may have changed

On 8/25/2018 10:30 PM, Isaac wrote:
probably have to use vocalizer for dos or jaws for dos. Or you
could run a windows machine with dos box.
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Reader under DOS


No.

On 8/25/2018 5:06 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I'm going to build a DOS machine and will, of course, need it to
talk and possibly display in Braille. I'm wondering if NVDA will
run under DOS? I think I'll probably use DOS version 6.22. If
not, I do have others here that will run.
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Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

Pranav Lal
 

Hi George and all,

Try changing the windows theme if you have not already done so.

Pranav


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Abbie,

I tried the mail app too and didn't care for it that much. I'm thinking of giving thunderbird one more try before I completely give up on it.

Rosemarie

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] \Re: Windows 10 and email

In answer to Glenn's question, there is a problem setting up the Windows
10 mail app with NVDA. For some reason, it won't read the set-up screens, and the only way I could set it up was using Narrator. I also had trouble inputting my signature because neither NVDA nor Narrator would read that window properly. I've gone back to using Thunderbird.
Once it gets going, it works pretty well for me.


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Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

In answer to Glenn's question, there is a problem setting up the Windows 10 mail app with NVDA. For some reason, it won't read the set-up screens, and the only way I could set it up was using Narrator. I also had trouble inputting my signature because neither NVDA nor Narrator would read that window properly. I've gone back to using Thunderbird. Once it gets going, it works pretty well for me.


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Re: Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

 

Hi,

I think you meant Add-on Updater, not Screen Curtain. Screen Curtain is being researched by another programmer. If talking about Add-on Updater, that’ll be me.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

 

Ok Thanks joasiph 

i'm currently testing your program. 

I asked Quentin C from NVAccess to add this feature in to the NVDA Screen Reader and he got back to me very quickly and he said that they are working on this program and he provide me a web link to the Screen Curtain.

Thanks Joasiph again for this wonderful add on. 

I don't like people to see after my shoulder. When I'm doing work on my Computer.

 

Best Regards 

Michael Munn 


"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."

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Des Moines 

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On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Ian Westerland <iwesterl@...> wrote:



Perfect Joseph.  Thank you.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland

On 8/28/2018 2:26 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

There may or may not be announcements regarding this add-on on this list for a while, as I plan to shift attention to the corresponding NVDA feature in order to apply lessons learned through this add-on. The next big thing might be ability to update Windows 10 App Essentials through Add-on Updater, but that won’t happen until October at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:22 AM
*To:* 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
*Subject:* [nvda] Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

Hi all,

Add-on Updater August 27^th build (proof of concept) is now available. This build brings:

  * User experience feedback: when add-on updates dialog appears, all
    add-on checkboxes will be checked by default. This is in response to
    feedback from people regarding user experience of having this
    checked/unchecked. My original intent was to check them, but
    couldn’t find a solution for a while. This fix also addresses a
    problem where users of most recent releases could not update their
    add-ons due to missing wxPython attribute when running NVDA 2018.2.1.
  * Development snapshot download: fixed an issue where if you told
    Add-on Updater to download development versions of add-ons, it would
    download stable releases instead. This was internal to the add-on –
    no changes to add-on server.

Important notes:

  * If you are running NVDA 2018.2.x and happen to use August 25^th
    build (the original, not revision A), you need to apply this update
    manually. To do so, go to NVDA add-ons website
    (addons.nvda-project.org), go to “add-ons under development”, look
    for Add-on Updater, and download the build offered.
  * This is a proof of concept add-on, thus no stable build will be
    released and should be used to send feedback regarding add-on update
    feature in NVDA (which I’m working on).

Cheers,

Joseph



 


Re: Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

Michael Munn
 

Ok Thanks joasiph 
i'm currently testing your program. 
I asked Quentin C from NVAccess to add this feature in to the NVDA Screen Reader and he got back to me very quickly and he said that they are working on this program and he provide me a web link to the Screen Curtain.
Thanks Joasiph again for this wonderful add on. 
I don't like people to see after my shoulder. When I'm doing work on my Computer.

Best Regards 
Michael Munn 

"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell, 
Des Moines 
1968
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Delegate:  
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind
Email address:



On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:58 PM, Ian Westerland <iwesterl@...> wrote:


Perfect Joseph.  Thank you.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland

On 8/28/2018 2:26 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,

There may or may not be announcements regarding this add-on on this list for a while, as I plan to shift attention to the corresponding NVDA feature in order to apply lessons learned through this add-on. The next big thing might be ability to update Windows 10 App Essentials through Add-on Updater, but that won’t happen until October at the earliest.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:22 AM
*To:* 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@....net>
*Subject:* [nvda] Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

Hi all,

Add-on Updater August 27^th build (proof of concept) is now available. This build brings:

  * User experience feedback: when add-on updates dialog appears, all
    add-on checkboxes will be checked by default. This is in response to
    feedback from people regarding user experience of having this
    checked/unchecked. My original intent was to check them, but
    couldn’t find a solution for a while. This fix also addresses a
    problem where users of most recent releases could not update their
    add-ons due to missing wxPython attribute when running NVDA 2018.2.1.
  * Development snapshot download: fixed an issue where if you told
    Add-on Updater to download development versions of add-ons, it would
    download stable releases instead. This was internal to the add-on –
    no changes to add-on server.

Important notes:

  * If you are running NVDA 2018.2.x and happen to use August 25^th
    build (the original, not revision A), you need to apply this update
    manually. To do so, go to NVDA add-ons website
    (addons.nvda-project.org), go to “add-ons under development”, look
    for Add-on Updater, and download the build offered.
  * This is a proof of concept add-on, thus no stable build will be
    released and should be used to send feedback regarding add-on update
    feature in NVDA (which I’m working on).

Cheers,

Joseph







Re: Add-on Updater August 27th build posted

Ian Westerland
 

Perfect Joseph. Thank you.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland

On 8/28/2018 2:26 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
There may or may not be announcements regarding this add-on on this list for a while, as I plan to shift attention to the corresponding NVDA feature in order to apply lessons learned through this add-on. The next big thing might be ability to update Windows 10 App Essentials through Add-on Updater, but that won’t happen until October at the earliest.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Lee
*Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:22 AM
*To:* 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
*Subject:* [nvda] Add-on Updater August 27th build posted
Hi all,
Add-on Updater August 27^th build (proof of concept) is now available. This build brings:
* User experience feedback: when add-on updates dialog appears, all
add-on checkboxes will be checked by default. This is in response to
feedback from people regarding user experience of having this
checked/unchecked. My original intent was to check them, but
couldn’t find a solution for a while. This fix also addresses a
problem where users of most recent releases could not update their
add-ons due to missing wxPython attribute when running NVDA 2018.2.1.
* Development snapshot download: fixed an issue where if you told
Add-on Updater to download development versions of add-ons, it would
download stable releases instead. This was internal to the add-on –
no changes to add-on server.
Important notes:
* If you are running NVDA 2018.2.x and happen to use August 25^th
build (the original, not revision A), you need to apply this update
manually. To do so, go to NVDA add-ons website
(addons.nvda-project.org), go to “add-ons under development”, look
for Add-on Updater, and download the build offered.
* This is a proof of concept add-on, thus no stable build will be
released and should be used to send feedback regarding add-on update
feature in NVDA (which I’m working on).
Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Screen Reader under DOS

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Provox was a free opensource dos screen reader. You need a hardware synth for it to work, but otherwise, it's free for anyone to use. I believe the zip file you need to hunt for is provox7.zip. I have the source code around here somewhere, as I'd actually intended to keep developoing it after the original author gave up on it, but I never did anything with it. Perhaps, if I can track down the code I have stashed somewhere for the dos version of windowbridge (don't remember what it was called) I can release that as public domain, (not opensource, since I'm not allowed to release the source), but public domain would make it free for anyone to use. I don't think I have source for it, since those cds got lost in my move from Alabama to Virginia, but if I do manage to track it down, I have no problem posting it for anyone who wants to use it.


Re: Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Gene
 

This shows that if an add-on is developed and approved, unless it is a proprietary for profit add-on, it should be required that the code be released on approval.
 
Since this is a crowd funded add-on, that isn't just what should be done, it is what is morally owed to those who contributed.  Maybe they wouldn't have if they had known that, years later, the code is not available and there money may have only developed an add on that could be used for a few years.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Well, here’s hoping he can be convinced to release his part of the source to not b in violation of the GPL licence. But given his track record I’ll be surprised if he even does. I love that add on and don’t want to see it die.

On 27 Aug 2018, at 15:02, Kwork wrote:

Hope broke for some people, but not for others. Mine still works for some strange reason even with my WinX upgrade.

I checked it just now.

On 8/27/2018 2:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yep same with hope. It broke, the person had emailed the author with error logs etc a few years ago and had not heard back. It’s sad really, so this does not surprise me at all. I did not fund it knowing who had developed it, or at least who had helped developed it.

On 26 Aug 2018, at 13:57, Chris G wrote:

QCast is another product that won't work when more and more podcasts start serving their audio over SSL or secure feeds.
I found a workaround for my podcast but it won't work forever. 
Asked the developer to update QCast so it would work with SSL feeds.  I heard crickets. 
It is too bad.


From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sun, Aug 26, 2018 3:02 PM EDT
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Advisory... once again (and one last time): NVDA Remote 2.1 (without patch) is incompatible with NVDA 2018.3 and future releases

Yep that’s normal behavior for this person. I got reported and called a doosh bag for calling him out publicly on twitter, but he is showing the same behavior again.

Take care all

On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:47, The Wolf wrote:

he never responds to emails either

On 8/26/2018 9:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I have to agree. I’ve seen this behavior with one of the devs wiht a lot of his programs, the qube anybody, and the thing he did for pandora for windows? Yeah. So frankly I’m not surprised


I do agree this should be a part of nvda’s core and if we don’t use it, we don’t have to. And eah this dev has broken other things with gpl with his apps as well, so again, not surprised. Good apps but horable bedside manners?

Take care

On 26 Aug 2018, at 4:48, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

This is not the official server. Someone studied the connection between remote and the official server and developed an unofficial server so that others could host NVDA remote.  I’ve written to the creators of this addon via email regarding the violations of GPL, however it appears that the creators of this addon don’t care. Therefore, I feel it would be in the interest of both NVAccess and the community at large for NVAccess to take possession of all code associated with the remote addon and incorporate it into NVDA core.

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