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windows mail still have the problem

Mark <mark@...>
 

Hi about 3 weeks ago I reported that if I close windows mail NVDA stop talking and I have to close it down and re open it

Its still just the same

Mark.

 

 

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Re: strange stuff happening with the latest version of NVDA and Windows 1803

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

What theme should we use?


George

On 8/27/2018 7:08 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi George and all,

Try changing the windows theme if you have not already done so.

Pranav



reading mail in outlook 365

 

I decided to try my hand with Outlook 365. I liked it, overall. However, emails with NVDA and Outlook 365 didn't read as well as they do with Thunderbird and NVDA. For example, it appears that using arrow keys in some emails in Outlook 365 is not a great solution. All you see is blank lines and graphics, whereas you see links and a fairly compact view in Thunderbird. The tab key doesn't change this in any way, shape or form.


Has anyone else seen this, and if you have, does anyone have a solution? For me, using Outlook 365 won't work unless I can get around these issues. I'm using the latest version of NVDA alpha. Any help with this one is much appreciated, and thanks in advance.


Can't select words using latest stable versions Firefox, NVDA

Jackie
 

Using Firefox version 61.0.2 (64-bit), when I press control shift
right arrow, words are no longer selected. Anyone else notice this?

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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Kevin,

          Sorry, I see you did identify it as Control Usage Assistant on the "spur" of this topic.

          I absolutely hate it when topics get split such that the same conversation is running in parallel and where anyone can constantly be missing something unless they jump back and forth between the two topics.  All over a misplaced backslash being introduced in the topic's subject line at some point.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:19 PM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
it is another addon that was the problem.
And that add-on would be?    Knowing about interaction issues is vital.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and email

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, it has been fixed it is another addon that was the problem.

On 28/08/2018 22:11, Brian Vogel wrote:
Kevin,
           Sorry, but I don't have anything other than to say:
1.  Be absolutely certain that the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on is actually installed and NVDA has been restarted since.
2.  Be in Thunderbird, with focus on any message in the message list in the inbox.
3.  Hit NVDA + H  (INS + H if you're using desktop keyboard layout).
I'm using NVDA 2018.2.1, the latest version of Win10 Home 64-bit, and it works with both the last Thunderbird 52 version as well as Thunderbird 60.
--
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/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./
           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, sorry I jumped in your correct mistake.

On 28/08/2018 22:02, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
I have never heard of it the closest is the user manual.
I have just turned on nvda + 1 and done the short cut and it refers to
the thunder bird add on.
That i have installed and now disabled it then done the following.
I disabled the add on and there is no short cut referring to that in nvda.
Gene nz
On 8/29/2018 8:40 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
using the beta3 of nvda,   latest version of t bird,   and windows10
home 64bit,   and nvda h does nothing and this command is the help
command for nvda anyway.

On 28/08/2018 04:54, work wrote:
Gene, Brian, thank you both. I'm all sorted now. Never even thought
to consider that it'd be an NVDA add-on in this case to make my life
easier. Thanks also to Javi Dominguez for the add-on development.

On 8/27/2018 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

         You are correct that it's an NVDA add-on:


  Mozilla Apps Enhancements
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html>


          I just tested it with Thunderbird 52.8.0 before updating
to the latest, 52.9.1, and it works with both.

          Once the add-on is installed NVDA + H opens up a dialog
that allows you to rearrange to column order.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional
morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to
one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.
Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Kevin Cussick
 

hi, Ok it does seem to work, I found the problem, it is Joseph addon Control Usage Assistant I will just disable it if I ever need to try this addon thanks for your help.

On 28/08/2018 21:55, Brian Vogel wrote:
Could be a problem with the beta 3 of NVDA or, perhaps, where you had focus.
The NVDA + H command for Mozilla Apps Enhancements only works if you're in Thunderbird and in a message list, typically inbox, but it could be the message list for any folder.
It's definitely working with Thunderbird 60, the latest released version of NVDA, and Win10 Home 64-bit.
--
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/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./
           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Kevin,

           Sorry, but I don't have anything other than to say:

1.  Be absolutely certain that the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on is actually installed and NVDA has been restarted since.

2.  Be in Thunderbird, with focus on any message in the message list in the inbox.

3.  Hit NVDA + H  (INS + H if you're using desktop keyboard layout).

I'm using NVDA 2018.2.1, the latest version of Win10 Home 64-bit, and it works with both the last Thunderbird 52 version as well as Thunderbird 60.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and email

Kevin Cussick
 

Ok, I have now tried this once more, when pressing nvda h I get no help for this control. this is with tbird open but no email open. any ideas? thanks in advance.

On 28/08/2018 15:35, Brian Vogel wrote:
You can rearrange the order of Thunderbird columns to your heart's content, and there's even an NVDA add-on to make it much easier (as the default method is drag and drop):
Mozilla Apps Enhancements
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html>
Once it's installed, and you're in your inbox, hit NVDA + H and you'll
be presented with a dialog that allows you to reshuffle the order of
the columns presented as you wish.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./
           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I have never heard of it the closest is the user manual.


I have just turned on nvda + 1 and done the short cut and it refers to
the thunder bird add on.

That i have installed and now disabled it then done the following.

I disabled the add on and there is no short cut referring to that in nvda.

Gene nz

On 8/29/2018 8:40 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
using the beta3 of nvda,   latest version of t bird,   and windows10
home 64bit,   and nvda h does nothing and this command is the help
command for nvda anyway.

On 28/08/2018 04:54, work wrote:
Gene, Brian, thank you both. I'm all sorted now. Never even thought
to consider that it'd be an NVDA add-on in this case to make my life
easier. Thanks also to Javi Dominguez for the add-on development.

On 8/27/2018 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

         You are correct that it's an NVDA add-on:


  Mozilla Apps Enhancements
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html>


          I just tested it with Thunderbird 52.8.0 before updating
to the latest, 52.9.1, and it works with both.

          Once the add-on is installed NVDA + H opens up a dialog
that allows you to rearrange to column order.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional
morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to
one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another. 
Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Could be a problem with the beta 3 of NVDA or, perhaps, where you had focus.

The NVDA + H command for Mozilla Apps Enhancements only works if you're in Thunderbird and in a message list, typically inbox, but it could be the message list for any folder.

It's definitely working with Thunderbird 60, the latest released version of NVDA, and Win10 Home 64-bit.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Windows 10 and email

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


yes you had to use object navigation to do it you would then find the column you wanted use the lock mouse button go to the place where you wanted it then unlock the mouse. It was quite easy to do but if people were not use to it they would not go there.


I think you could also do it with the physical mouse do the same thing.


when the golden cursor come to the add on website then it would let you use the arrow keys to move the mouse around and a bit more. Even labeling i think you call it hot spots.


That would make it super easy.


later on tonight I will add in a link to the tutorial on mozilla thunder bird to this add on. so people know it is there. I think some of the new users are not aware they can install add ons or where to go for extra functionality.


I just figured people knew it was there so did not add it into the tutorial but it looks as though people are unaware.


Gene nz




On 8/29/2018 3:09 AM, Kwork wrote:

That would be a reason I avoided it for so many years. I remember reading about this being a problem natively before. While I figured out how to show and hide columns using object navigation, I still can't figure out how to re-order them without the add-on. Probably some sort of drag and drop which I've never really gotten NVDA to do properly. JAWS has always had the edge there.

As I didn't want to use web mail, though GMail's basic html is quite accessible, and since I couldn't even get NVDA to read the setup screen for Microsoft's own mail program, I decided to fight with Thunderbird instead, at least for now.  My very favorite mail client I ever used was Windows Vista's version of Windows Mail, the only thing not great being that you couldn't have more than one identity. Outlook Express was my second favorite though large identities could get corrupt at times, losing all messages in the process, something Windows Mail on Vista solved by having each message be its own file rather than the full identity be one large file. A dream program for me would have been Vista's Windows Mail, but with identities added, but with the messages still being one to a file rather than the whole identity.

I tried Windows Live, but it was moving very slow on this machine, even the earlier installer Brian had saved.

Travis

On 8/28/2018 7:46 AM, Gene wrote:
While Thunderbird is generally accessible, I consider this ability not being accessible in the program to be a significant failure to make the program accessible.  If the designers are going to follow an eccentric layout for who knows why, they have an obligation to make changing it accessible, especially since this format change affects blind screen-reader users significantly. 
 
That's one reason I refuse to use the program.  I consider this to be a serious enough disregarding of accessibility that I refuse to use it unless I really need to.  I know there are ways around the problem but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the problem has been around for years, as long as I've casually followed the program, which has been perhaps eight years or more. 
 
The designers must have gotten complaints over the years, probably a lot of them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

Same here, Travis. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Thunderbird, the fact that it displays the subject first instead of the sender's name. So far, I haven't been able to find a way to fix this, either. That's one  reason why I tried the mail app, which does display messages with the sender first.

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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@...
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

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http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
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Re: Windows 10 and email

 

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 03:49 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
addons now are not accessible
Well, the 

Mozilla Apps Enhancements

works just fine for me on Thunderbird Version 60, and I just tested it this morning.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: \Re: Windows 10 and email

Kevin Cussick
 

using the beta3 of nvda, latest version of t bird, and windows10 home 64bit, and nvda h does nothing and this command is the help command for nvda anyway.

On 28/08/2018 04:54, work wrote:
Gene, Brian, thank you both. I'm all sorted now. Never even thought to consider that it'd be an NVDA add-on in this case to make my life easier. Thanks also to Javi Dominguez for the add-on development.
On 8/27/2018 7:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

         You are correct that it's an NVDA add-on:


Mozilla Apps Enhancements
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html>


          I just tested it with Thunderbird 52.8.0 before updating to the latest, 52.9.1, and it works with both.

          Once the add-on is installed NVDA + H opens up a dialog that allows you to rearrange to column order.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

/The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which //assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with //a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./

           ~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Windows 10 and email

 

Thunderbird is accessible at least for mail, addons now are not accessible and maybe some other features.

But if you feel that strongly 52.9.1 will no longer be updated.

The only real reason I wouldn't stay with it though is like eudora7 eventually the automatic security certs will go away.

On 8/29/2018 2:46 AM, Gene wrote:
While Thunderbird is generally accessible, I consider this ability not being accessible in the program to be a significant failure to make the program accessible. If the designers are going to follow an eccentric layout for who knows why, they have an obligation to make changing it accessible, especially since this format change affects blind screen-reader users significantly.

That's one reason I refuse to use the program. I consider this to be a serious enough disregarding of accessibility that I refuse to use it unless I really need to. I know there are ways around the problem but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the problem has been around for years, as long as I've casually followed the program, which has been perhaps eight years or more.

The designers must have gotten complaints over the years, probably a lot of them.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Abbie Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email


Same here, Travis. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Thunderbird, the fact that it displays the subject first instead of the sender's name. So far, I haven't been able to find a way to fix this, either. That's one reason why I tried the mail app, which does display messages with the sender first.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@...
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm


Re: Windows 10 and email

Annette Moore
 

I wouldn't be without the Mozilla Apps Enhancements add-on. We talked about our favorite add-ons and that one is right up there at the top of the list!

Annette


On 8/28/2018 9:35 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

You can rearrange the order of Thunderbird columns to your heart's content, and there's even an NVDA add-on to make it much easier (as the default method is drag and drop):  

Mozilla Apps Enhancements

Once it's installed, and you're in your inbox, hit NVDA + H and you'll be presented with a dialog that allows you to reshuffle the order of the columns presented as you wish.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



Re: downloding MP3 FILES

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Yeah, it's just a silly popup that you can normally ignore. If you need to, use Malwarebytes to clear any unwanted browser objects that might make it come back.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: August 27, 2018 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES

Oh man, if you get that popup, ignore it, it's nothing but a scam, They're just looking to shake you down for money. They don't do anything for you or your computer. The only way to get rid of that popup is to exit the browser and restart it. It's a shame folks resort to such measures, but there it is.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Kevin wrote:


But the location you download from can give you a virus can’t it?

Isn’t that what that popup that says message you’re your computer has
a virus call us and we’ll help you remove it, if you don’t we’ll be
forced to erase your computer as to not infect our system… or something like that.
And that popup doesn’t go away even if you exit your browser and re
enter it!



E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee



From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES



Several years ago, there was a bug in some mp3 players that would
allow

malformed headers to trigger some code execution. That was a result
of

the players, and the way they handled the mp3 headers, not the mp3
format

itself. As far as I know, all those players have been patched, so
that

particular bug is no longer present

Since mp3 files contain no executable code, it's extremely unlikely
that

anyone could receive a virus from one, since there's nothing in an mp3

file that is treated as executable code, and you have to have
executable

code for viruses to exist/spread, so I'd have to agree on this one
that

downloading mp3 files by themselves poses zero threat to anyone.



On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Hope Williamson via Groups.Io wrote:



Hi, it's probably not possible to get a virus downloading from
Youtube
itself. It may be possible though, depending on the converter you're
using
to download/convert the video to mp3 format.
On 8/24/2018 7:25 PM, Gene wrote:
You said it is possible to get a virus or malware downloading
from Youtube. Do you mean possible or impossible? For that
matter, if you would be infected by downloading, which I
really
doubt, why couldn't you be infected by playing the file from
the
site? For reasons I stated in my previous message, I really
doubt you can be infected by downloading from Youtube.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
It’s called WASAPI,, record the sound your speakers outputs
It is possible to get a virus or malware downloading fron youtube
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
Using “what you hear” or whatever it’s called in Goldwave is
definitely a neat trick and can certainly be really helpful.
You can’t really get a virus from an mp3 though.
The OP asked for a programme so I assumed he wasn’t talking about a
web browser. Surprised noone’s mentioned Soulseek yet, so I’ll
mention
it now. Unfortunately the QT version, the only one being updated,
doesn’t seem very accessible from my standpoint, although apparently
some people have gotten it to work with NVDA…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: August 24, 2018 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
I use GoldWave to record songs, that way I can listen to the song as
I
rrecord it. Also you don’t get any virus or trash that is in the
music information such as author, extra url of ads etc…
E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] downloding MP3 FILES
hi group
which is the best and most accessible program for windows pc to
downlode mp3 files using NVDA?
thank u
kerryn
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Re: Windows 10 and email

Gene
 

I haven't used Thunderbird enough to evaluate that.  I used it a little years ago so I could learn how to use it for a presentation I gave but almost not at all since.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

Hi, Gene,

 

The one thing that bothers me about thunderbird is that it's quite sluggish. Now that I think of it, I'm glad I'm staying with outlook.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

 

While Thunderbird is generally accessible, I consider this ability not being accessible in the program to be a significant failure to make the program accessible.  If the designers are going to follow an eccentric layout for who knows why, they have an obligation to make changing it accessible, especially since this format change affects blind screen-reader users significantly. 

 

That's one reason I refuse to use the program.  I consider this to be a serious enough disregarding of accessibility that I refuse to use it unless I really need to.  I know there are ways around the problem but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth and the problem has been around for years, as long as I've casually followed the program, which has been perhaps eight years or more. 

 

The designers must have gotten complaints over the years, probably a lot of them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Abbie Taylor

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 9:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 and email

 

Same here, Travis. That's one of my biggest pet peeves about Thunderbird, the fact that it displays the subject first instead of the sender's name. So far, I haven't been able to find a way to fix this, either. That's one  reason why I tried the mail app, which does display messages with the sender first.

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
abbietaylor945@...
Order my new memoir at http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com/memoir.htm

--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...

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