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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

We have now seen that three or four people have reported problems.  Do any of these people have JAWS installed and preferably the latest or a very recent version?  We need to see if the same people, using the same browser, have problems with the site using JAWS.  If not, then it appears to me that NVDA developers should examine the issue.  If JAWS has problems too, that makes it considerably more likely that it is a problem with the site.  In that case, the site should be notified.  I'm sure there is some sort of contact link. 
 
But we need more information before we know the best way to proceed.  If it appears to be an NVDA issue, the developers can determine if it is.  There is no use reporting a problem to the site if we don't yet know if it is likely to be a site problem or not. 
 
Gene


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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Hmm, if its the main blind sign up for a free account and despite it saying they ship to the uk, I cannot get it to work either in Waterfox.
I get a registration form, then it says email you enter it, then cursor down and find the email is not in the email field at all but a lot further down, when coming back up then none of the edit boxes will work, one supposes due to the odd entry in some random field. The same exact thing occurs when you refresh the page. Its as if when you enter the form, part of the form is hidden and cursoring down from enter email actually puts you in a completely different file. Most odd.
Not see n this effect before. Needs more investigation obviously.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider



Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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If you change the settings for the auto browse mode then you can automatically slide by just using the cursor keys.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


Hi!

Have any of you thought of going into browse mode to see what each edit box is for before typing into it? I know that takes longer, toggling from browse mode to focus mode and back between every edit box, but I’f found it’s a good workaround, which I’ve used on several sites, if there is no indication from NVDA as to what an edit box is for when I simply tab to it in focus mode. It might be worth trying, because I’ve found quite a few sites that have become more accessible with that workaround, with the titles of each edit box readable in browse mode but not when tabbing in focus mode.

This is just a suggestion, and I hope it helps!

Bye for now!

From Clare



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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda



I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,



This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.



Rosemarie



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Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.





Gene

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From: brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda



When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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I think he meant another list.
Its often all in setting up nvda for how you work though. I have though found on sites that they say if it works on jaws it must be right.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I didn't bash you. I responded strongly to your disparagement of the company and saying how horrible and disgraceful that the site is not accessible. You said they should be shut down. You had no facts. All you knew was that the site didn't work in your browser. You didn't know if it was a general problem or a problem that effects only or mostly you. You didn't know if the problem is experienced with only NVDA or with other screen-readers. You didn't know if it was experienced on one browser or in general.

I consider it very inappropriate to attack a site, and even more so, the site of a small business owned by blind people when all you know is that it doesn't work in your browser combined with your screen-reader.

You bashed the company and I sent a very strongly critical message. I don't know what your definition is of bashing but when you bashed the company, I responded strongly and I didn't mince words. I said nothing objecting to people discussing problems. Of course people should discuss problems if they wish. I have no objection to you discussing it. I do object to you bashing and making accusations and saying they should be shut down. You have no facts to justify making such statements.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems when they should know better there is just no excuse for this problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use with screen readers. That's a disgrace!



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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda



I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,



This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.



Rosemarie



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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda



Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.





Gene

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From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda



When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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OK I'll go and look and see what happens, note I do not use chrome.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed
I guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems
when they should know better there is just no excuse for this problem to
occure especially on a blindness site they should be ashamed of
themselves. Their site should be accessable for all screen readers and
all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be
accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use with
screen readers. That's a disgrace!

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't
fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not
accessable. You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you
tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think
I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I
have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you
hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site
using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no
problem. I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.

Gene

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*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box
to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version
of fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I
tab from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going
on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up
for email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda
and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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You will probably find they only tried it with Jaws as as we all know everyone has it, grin.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I just tried the site with webbie and it's not accessible. These people should be ashamed of themselves--especially since they claim to be a site designed for use with screen readers.



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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

I just tried to go in to the site with webie and it just says edit when I tab from edit box to edit box.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 8:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

Do you have the webbie browser? Maybe you can try with that one. Since webbie is text-based, maybe you might have better luck with it.
Rosemarie

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brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider








Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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I have my nvda set so I can cursor in and out of the edit fields. This then does allow one to listen to be nearby text that are labels.
I'm not familiar with the site you are talking abut but this technique seems to work for many. It means altering some options in the object presentation and navigation parts of nvda to find the best approach for you though. No its not a fix, but its the best one can do under the circumstances.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


I just tried to go in to the site with webie and it just says edit when I tab from edit box to edit box.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 8:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Brian,

Do you have the webbie browser? Maybe you can try with that one. Since webbie is text-based, maybe you might have better luck with it.
Rosemarie

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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider







Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

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There lots of sites like this. Some work in jaws but not nvda and some the reverse. Does anyone know if there is an agreed convention to where the text of the field identifier should be or whether a page author can add some code to force screen readers to read it?
I've also come across the same issue on surveys where one does not know if the checkbox or radio button is before or after the legend and in others graphic tags are used with no alt tags.
Somebody needs to sort these issues out and come up with hard and fast rules for everyone to use I think.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem occures in every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what information is required in each edit box this makes the site not accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider



Re: Audio Themes Add-on sluggishness

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I have noticed that if you look at the log when the add on is enabled there are numerous warnings about deprecated or altered code that would require the add on to be modified. Obviously it may be a red herring, but could the code that looks for these issues slow things down?
To me its working OK, but I tend to only use it on the portable version as it can be handy sometimes but not all the time.
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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] Audio Themes Add-on sluggishness


Hey all,


I redownloaded the Audio Themes add-on from the Get Add-ons page via the tools menu. The add-on is growing on me, but NVDA has become much more sluggish ever since. I don't know of anything else which could cause this sluggishness, as I haven't downloaded anything in the last month or so, and MS Defender scans don't show anything of note.


Ben



Re: Those with other screenreaders as well problem

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What for Jaws? Its not avoidable from freedom scientific it pesters you, but it was only after the update which did other things to jaws too, apparently that I noticed the part about Skype. I do not use it either, but I suspect the problem with not putting windows back as it found it is a bug introduced. Note that I did not try the registry fix tool in nvda.

To my mind it had probably hooked something that nvda wanted and did not let go of it correctly.
Minor irritation but thought I'd mention it. I have noticed before that when nvda does start to play up going into protected desktop and out again can often fix things.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Those with other screenreaders as well problem


I have been avoiding this update, because I don’t use Skype.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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From: 30101230420n behalf of
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 4:38 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Those with other screenreaders as well problem

Now a number of people here use other screenreaders on the same machine,
and normally if one shuts one down and starts another and then goes the
other way, all works fine, however this evening as the old joke goes , a
funny thing happened on the way back to nvda from Jaws.
I always try to keep things up to date of course, and tonight I ran Jaws,
for which I have a licence obtained very cheaply in a sale. This so far has
meant a couple of major updates, but this evening not having run it for
some days, I did yet another update. All seemed to go well and I tested it
and saw no real difference. I then closed it and ran nvda.
What happened next was strange and I have now duplicated it three times.
Nvda could not read the menu you get when you go to shut down the pc with
alt/f4, it could not read the menus of Firefox and many other programs, nor
did it take single key entry to the desktop icons and say for example
Waterfox when I hit w.
The solution to this turned out to be control alt delete and on the
protected desktop picking cancel, whereupon everything was sweetness and
light.
I have to stress that before the Jaws update, nothing like this was the
case. Now I'm not saying that its a deliberate ploy to sabotage nvda, but it
does make me think that Jaws is not leaving windows as it found it, so
please beware. If this happens to you its not nvda playing up, just windows
left in a strange state by Jaws.
Note I am using Windows 7. I notice that Jaws has a major update for Skypes
cock ups, erm improvements sorry..
End of public service announcement.

Goodnight!

Brian

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who knows this?

P. Otter
 

hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Have any of you thought of going into browse mode to see what each edit box is for before typing into it? I know that takes longer, toggling from browse mode to focus mode and back between every edit box, but I’f found it’s a good workaround, which I’ve used on several sites, if there is no indication from NVDA as to what an edit box is for when I simply tab to it in focus mode. It might be worth trying, because I’ve found quite a few sites that have become more accessible with that workaround, with the titles of each edit box readable in browse mode but not when tabbing in focus mode.

This is just a suggestion, and I hope it helps!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: vendredi 31 août 2018 03:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable.  You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem.  I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem.  I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. 

 

 

Gene

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From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox.  When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit.  I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem.  This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters.  you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider




Re: NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

Christo de Klerk
 

Hi again Quentin

Thank you for the response and for the link. I will have a look at it. . What is strange to me, is that this did work for a while at a stage, but then it stopped again.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/31 08:22 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Christo,

My apologies for the misunderstanding, you are quite correct, whether a message has been replied to or forwarded is not reported.  This is a known issue.  We have looked into this earlier this year, and it appears we need a fix from Microsoft to expose     the information correctly.  See our issue here if you are interested in further details (or subscribe to it to be notified of updates): ht


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello Quentin

I realise I wasn't clear enough. NVDA does in fact mention that messages are unread, but this is the only status announced. It stopped announcing that a message has been replied to or forwarded. I have just forwarded an e-mail to confirm what I am saying and NVDA does not announce that the message was forwarded. These various statuses used to be announced until around May.

Could you perhaps test these two scenarios, forwarding and replying and confirming if NVDA announces the status or not? If those work for you but not for me, you can let me know and I'll send you a log.

Thanks for attending to this.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/31 12:16 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Christo,

Can you please confirm what you mean by status?  Using NVDA 2018.2.1, NVDA 2018.3beta3 or NVDA alpha-15933,b3aff97c as I move through messages in the current version of Outlook 365, NVDA reads "Unread" prior to the sender and subject of messages which are unread (and nothing for read messages).

If a message is "flagged" it reads that information first, and if a message is categorized, it reads that information at the end.

If all of that isn't happening for you, could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log to info@... ideally at debug level.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello all


I have noticed that the NVDA snapshots of the past two months or so no longer read message statuses in Outlook. This is true of Outlook 2013, Outlook 2016 and Outlook in Office 365. Could this be an unpleasant side-effect of the migration to WXPython 4? Can we look forward to this being fixed in the not too distant future. It really was such a helpful feature when NVDA used to announce message statuses.


Kind regards


Christo








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Re: NVDA, other processes, performance, and security

Perry Simm
 

Hello,
since I'm not an expert on what exactly is going on here: Is it a harmless annoyance, that is, are the affected processes just prevented from closing but not interfered with in any other potentially harmful way? I'd like to understand the mechanism so I can decide for myself whether it is a real issue or something that can safely be ignored.
Cheers Perry


Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

What do you hear when on Book Share and you come across an image of a book cover?  Is it in the main text or when moving through links?  In other words, when you do a search, do you hear a link to the book and an image link susch as perhaps the title of the book dot gif? 
 
These things may be inconveniences, but they aren't limitations of accessibility.  They may just be content that makes the site more annoying to use.  But such inconveniences are hardly limited to blindness sites.  Almost every article in The New York Times has an image link and a title link.  When reading a Times article, and lots of other places, links for related content are in the middle of the text.  If these are the kinds of things you are referring to, that's what happens when blind people use a sight oriented medium.  Annoying but not at all limited to blindness sites. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

For me, Web sites of disability and blindness groups are often the least accessible. As a trivial example, our local Lighthouse has been sending out its emails with the text embedded within scanned images.  Sites like LearningAlly and BookShare clutter their interfaces with pictures of “Book Covers”, the list of exasperating experiences like these seems endless.

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

 Bash them somewhere else.  If you want to discuss a problem reasonably, even if you want to express anger when reasonable, that's fine.  But you have no right, just based on your experience to bash a company and say they should be shut down and say its disgraceful when you don't even know the extent of the problem and if the company has been notified.  Bash all you like in a completely unjust and irresponsible manner somewhere else.  As moderator, I will not allow it here.  Reasonable discussion, fine.  Bashing and disparaging with no justification just because you, yourself have a problem and you know nothing about others' experiences nor if the company even knows of the problem is something else again.  Of course I want sites to be accessible.  But you don't cast unjustified aspersions and disparagement in a responsible attempt at resolution. 

 

If it turns out to be a site problem, and we don't know yet, I have no objection to you contacting the site in a civil manner and reporting the problem.  If you get an unsatisfactory response, we'd be glad to know.  If you can't do so civilly and responsibly, then let someone else do it.  You don't advance your cause by antagonizing someone before you even know how they will respond or what they know in the first place.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I told the truth and I will alwaysspeak the truth even if you don't want to hear it.  The fact is that it does not work and never has worked with either fire fox or ie or webie and any version of nvda.  It's time more people said what I said on the other list we should not have to put up with inacessable web sites. If you are happy with the way sites are thats your choice but some of us are not and we have every right to bash any company who does not fix the problem and make their site accessable for every one. 

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:19 PM, Gene wrote:

I didn't bash you.  I responded strongly to your disparagement of the company and saying how horrible and disgraceful that the site is not accessible.  You said they should be shut down.  You had no facts.  All you knew was that the site didn't work in your browser.  You didn't know if it was a general problem or a problem that effects only or mostly you.  You didn't know if the problem is experienced with only NVDA or with other screen-readers.  You didn't know if it was experienced on one browser or in general. 

 

I consider it very inappropriate to attack a site, and even more so, the site of a small business owned by blind people when all you know is that it doesn't work in your browser combined with your screen-reader. 

 

You bashed the company and I sent a very     strongly critical message.  I don't know what your definition is of bashing but when you bashed the company, I responded strongly and I didn't mince words.  I said nothing objecting to people discussing problems.  Of course people should discuss problems if they wish.  I have no objection to you discussing it.  I do object to you bashing and making accusations and saying they should be shut down.  You have no facts to justify making such statements. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems when they should know better there is just no excuse for this problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable.  You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem.  I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem.  I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. 

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox.  When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit.  I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem.  This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters.  you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





Re: NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Christo,

My apologies for the misunderstanding, you are quite correct, whether a message has been replied to or forwarded is not reported.  This is a known issue.  We have looked into this earlier this year, and it appears we need a fix from Microsoft to expose the information correctly.  See our issue here if you are interested in further details (or subscribe to it to be notified of updates): https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6911

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello Quentin

I realise I wasn't clear enough. NVDA does in fact mention that messages are unread, but this is the only status announced. It stopped announcing that a message has been replied to or forwarded. I have just forwarded an e-mail to confirm what I am saying and NVDA does not announce that the message was forwarded. These various statuses used to be announced until around May.

Could you perhaps test these two scenarios, forwarding and replying and confirming if NVDA announces the status or not? If those work for you but not for me, you can let me know and I'll send you a log.

Thanks for attending to this.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/31 12:16 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Christo,

Can you please confirm what you mean by status?  Using NVDA 2018.2.1, NVDA 2018.3beta3 or NVDA alpha-15933,b3aff97c as I move through messages in the current version of Outlook 365, NVDA reads "Unread" prior to the sender and subject of messages which are unread (and nothing for read messages).

If a message is "flagged" it reads that information first, and if a message is categorized, it reads that information at the end.

If all of that isn't happening for you, could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log to info@... ideally at debug level.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello all


I have noticed that the NVDA snapshots of the past two months or so no longer read message statuses in Outlook. This is true of Outlook 2013, Outlook 2016 and Outlook in Office 365. Could this be an unpleasant side-effect of the migration to WXPython 4? Can we look forward to this being fixed in the not too distant future. It really was such a helpful feature when NVDA used to announce message statuses.


Kind regards


Christo








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello Quentin

I realise I wasn't clear enough. NVDA does in fact mention that messages are unread, but this is the only status announced. It stopped announcing that a message has been replied to or forwarded. I have just forwarded an e-mail to confirm what I am saying and NVDA does not announce that the message was forwarded. These various statuses used to be announced until around May.

Could you perhaps test these two scenarios, forwarding and replying and confirming if NVDA announces the status or not? If those work for you but not for me, you can let me know and I'll send you a log.

Thanks for attending to this.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2018/08/31 12:16 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Christo,

Can you please confirm what you mean by status?  Using NVDA 2018.2.1, NVDA 2018.3beta3 or NVDA alpha-15933,b3aff97c as I move through messages in the current version of Outlook 365, NVDA reads "Unread" prior to the sender and subject of messages which are unread (and nothing for read messages).

If a message is "flagged" it reads that information first, and if a message is categorized, it reads that information at the end.

If all of that isn't happening for you, could you perhaps send me a copy of your NVDA log to info@... ideally at debug level.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...> wrote:
Hello all


I have noticed that the NVDA snapshots of the past two months or so no longer read message statuses in Outlook. This is true of Outlook 2013, Outlook 2016 and Outlook in Office 365. Could this be an unpleasant side-effect of the migration to WXPython 4? Can we look forward to this being fixed in the not too distant future. It really was such a helpful feature when NVDA used to announce message statuses.


Kind regards


Christo








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I wonder if it would work well with Jaws.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Somebody made the point that if you use the arrow keys and then enter into the form field, you can tell what the labels are. That is true. It is also kind of a pain in the butt, because there can be lots of forms and all that moving in and out of forms mode is in official denigrate waste of time. I did try this site using edge with NVDA with the same results that others have reported. Tabbing from field to field is useless. The labels are not read. This is with the latest stable release of NVDA. Same results with Firefox. Using my iPhone, it works fine, but that is because using the touchscreen, you see the label before you actually enter into the edit field. Fields are labeled. But for whatever reason, NVDA with the browsers isn’t seeing them. I have had this problem with enough other sites where the companies have a bunch of money we’re NVDA also doesn’t see those labels. I have no idea why, since I do not understand HTML.
Mary

 


On Aug 30, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know if you are serious.  I hope not.  Let's see what other people say.  Let's see if this is just an NVDA problem or if other screen-readers have the problem.  Let's see if it is some oddity in your computer.  We simply don't know.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to the edit boxes. 

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:

Please stop rushing to condemnation.  You have no grounds to not purchase from the site.  You don't know if this is a problem just with new versions of NVDA.  I looked at the site a number of years ago and I didn't use Chrome.  It worked properly.  Please get the facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment.  If this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem.  If it only happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something has very likely changed in NVDA.  Once we determine if the problem is very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has been contacted and how they have responded.  If it is there proboem, do they know about it?  You have no facts.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

Hi, Brian,

 

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem.  I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem.  I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. 

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox.  When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit.  I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem.  This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters.  you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider




Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Larry Silvermintz <silvermintz@...>
 

For me, Web sites of disability and blindness groups are often the least accessible. As a trivial example, our local Lighthouse has been sending out its emails with the text embedded within scanned images.  Sites like LearningAlly and BookShare clutter their interfaces with pictures of “Book Covers”, the list of exasperating experiences like these seems endless.

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

 Bash them somewhere else.  If you want to discuss a problem reasonably, even if you want to express anger when reasonable, that's fine.  But you have no right, just based on your experience to bash a company and say they should be shut down and say its disgraceful when you don't even know the extent of the problem and if the company has been notified.  Bash all you like in a completely unjust and irresponsible manner somewhere else.  As moderator, I will not allow it here.  Reasonable discussion, fine.  Bashing and disparaging with no justification just because you, yourself have a problem and you know nothing about others' experiences nor if the company even knows of the problem is something else again.  Of course I want sites to be accessible.  But you don't cast unjustified aspersions and disparagement in a responsible attempt at resolution. 

 

If it turns out to be a site problem, and we don't know yet, I have no objection to you contacting the site in a civil manner and reporting the problem.  If you get an unsatisfactory response, we'd be glad to know.  If you can't do so civilly and responsibly, then let someone else do it.  You don't advance your cause by antagonizing someone before you even know how they will respond or what they know in the first place.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I told the truth and I will alwaysspeak the truth even if you don't want to hear it.  The fact is that it does not work and never has worked with either fire fox or ie or webie and any version of nvda.  It's time more people said what I said on the other list we should not have to put up with inacessable web sites. If you are happy with the way sites are thats your choice but some of us are not and we have every right to bash any company who does not fix the problem and make their site accessable for every one. 

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:19 PM, Gene wrote:

I didn't bash you.  I responded strongly to your disparagement of the company and saying how horrible and disgraceful that the site is not accessible.  You said they should be shut down.  You had no facts.  All you knew was that the site didn't work in your browser.  You didn't know if it was a general problem or a problem that effects only or mostly you.  You didn't know if the problem is experienced with only NVDA or with other screen-readers.  You didn't know if it was experienced on one browser or in general. 

 

I consider it very inappropriate to attack a site, and even more so, the site of a small business owned by blind people when all you know is that it doesn't work in your browser combined with your screen-reader. 

 

You bashed the company and I sent a very     strongly critical message.  I don't know what your definition is of bashing but when you bashed the company, I responded strongly and I didn't mince words.  I said nothing objecting to people discussing problems.  Of course people should discuss problems if they wish.  I have no objection to you discussing it.  I do object to you bashing and making accusations and saying they should be shut down.  You have no facts to justify making such statements. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems when they should know better there is just no excuse for this problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable.  You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem.  I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem.  I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. 

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox.  When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit.  I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem.  This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters.  you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene
 

Bash them somewhere else.  If you want to discuss a problem reasonably, even if you want to express anger when reasonable, that's fine.  But you have no right, just based on your experience to bash a company and say they should be shut down and say its disgraceful when you don't even know the extent of the problem and if the company has been notified.  Bash all you like in a completely unjust and irresponsible manner somewhere else.  As moderator, I will not allow it here.  Reasonable discussion, fine.  Bashing and disparaging with no justification just because you, yourself have a problem and you know nothing about others' experiences nor if the company even knows of the problem is something else again.  Of course I want sites to be accessible.  But you don't cast unjustified aspersions and disparagement in a responsible attempt at resolution. 
 
If it turns out to be a site problem, and we don't know yet, I have no objection to you contacting the site in a civil manner and reporting the problem.  If you get an unsatisfactory response, we'd be glad to know.  If you can't do so civilly and responsibly, then let someone else do it.  You don't advance your cause by antagonizing someone before you even know how they will respond or what they know in the first place.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

    I told the truth and I will alwaysspeak the truth even if you don't want to hear it.  The fact is that it does not work and never has worked with either fire fox or ie or webie and any version of nvda.  It's time more people said what I said on the other list we should not have to put up with inacessable web sites. If you are happy with the way sites are thats your choice but some of us are not and we have every right to bash any company who does not fix the problem and make their site accessable for every one. 

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:19 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't bash you.  I responded strongly to your disparagement of the company and saying how horrible and disgraceful that the site is not accessible.  You said they should be shut down.  You had no facts.  All you knew was that the site didn't work in your browser.  You didn't know if it was a general problem or a problem that effects only or mostly you.  You didn't know if the problem is experienced with only NVDA or with other screen-readers.  You didn't know if it was experienced on one browser or in general. 
 
I consider it very inappropriate to attack a site, and even more so, the site of a small business owned by blind people when all you know is that it doesn't work in your browser combined with your screen-reader. 
 
You bashed the company and I sent a very     strongly critical message.  I don't know what your definition is of bashing but when you bashed the company, I responded strongly and I didn't mince words.  I said nothing objecting to people discussing problems.  Of course people should discuss problems if they wish.  I have no objection to you discussing it.  I do object to you bashing and making accusations and saying they should be shut down.  You have no facts to justify making such statements. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

    I also posted this on the blind tech list and I kind of got bashed I guess that some people feel that we should not express our problems when they should know better there is just no excuse for this problem to occure especially on a blindness site they should be ashamed of themselves. Their site should be accessable for all screen readers and all brousers.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:26 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I agree with you. There's no excuse for that site not to be accessible--especially since they're supposedly designed for use with screen readers. That's a disgrace!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    I don't know why they have not fixt their site yet if you can't fill out any forms you can't buy anything this site is not accessable.  You need to hear what gos in to each edit box when you tab from edit box to edit box if you can't then the site is usless.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

    Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem.  I looked at the site using an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem.  I also looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. 

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: brian

Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

Subject: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

 

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of fire
fox.  When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab from
edit box to edit box is edit.  I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for
years now and they have not fixt the problem.  This problem occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email
newsletters.  you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider