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Problems With NVDA On My Computer
Hi good people:
Please I am having two problems with my NVDA screen reader. The first problem is that wwhen I want to use it on the internet, I always hear "Icon1 of 5 or icon 4 of 5. I don't understand what this is all about. I didn't install any icons. What can I do about this, because it makes it impossible sometimes for me to browse. Can I remove the icons? how do I remove them, because I didn't install them, and I don't even understand what they are all about, and their function. Secondly, sometimes, when I copy an item from a web page, or an Email message, it doesn't get pasted. When I copy it, I hear copy selection to clipboard, and when I paste on the word processor, I hear pasted from clipboard: but nothing gets pasted. So the question now is: does anyone have ideas on how I can solve these two problems? Hope to read a response. From Ibrahim.
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Hi everyone
Michael Munn
Hi Everyone, This is Michael Munn and I have a question about the restriction of the NVDA Screen Reader. in July of this year I created a Portable copy of the NVDA Screen Reader. After I completed the Portable Copy process when I'm exploring the settings I could not find Run NVDA on the Log on Screen and Start NVDA automatically. Then I contacted Quentin C from NVAccess and he told me that there are restriction. I want to know what kind of restriction that don't allow NVDA to run on log on Screen and Start NVDA automacally after I plug my USB stick in to the USB slot. ¿ Please respond if you all can. Best Regards Michael Munn "If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world." Harold Russell, Des Moines 1968 Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind Student Delegate: Virginia Association of Blind Student Student of: Hadley Institute for the Blind Email address:
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Re: who knows this?
Gene
I need to make a correction. I just checked
and, for some reason, I was wrong about Chrome. When tabbing through the
fields, it doesn't see the text associated with the fields using NVDA
either. So the question is, why does JAWS see it and NVDA not and how
common is this discrepancy on other sites. Is this very rare or does it
occur often enough to be addressed by the developers?
Also, I didn't express myself with proper clarity
in the quoted message below. I'm therefore rewriting certain passages to
make them properly clear. If anyone was uncertain what I was saying, here is the
more clear version. The message appears
below my signature.
Gene
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The link is:
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels
correctly with NVDA. It does with JAWS. It is now, in my opinion a
question for NVDA developers to look at. is this an NVDA problem or a site
problem? Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so
very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?
Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be
taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general. Consider
the following quote from the form we are discussing:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at
least 1 number):
JAWS sees the word "password" but the explanatory text about what the password must contain is not read when tabbing. That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it. They won't include a number or it will be too short. There are a lot of sites that have information that may be
important between fields that is not read when tabbing. Again, another
example of poor Internet instruction. There are forms where I know, as an
experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information
between the fields. But what about all the inexperienced users? What
about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing
instead of tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not
being accepted? Had they down arrowed and seen information about the
syntax to use in a field, they'd know.
Experienced users may want to tab through unfamiliar forms
but they may have problems as a result. the best way to deal with a form
is to down arrow through it and certainly, inexperienced users should do so as a
matter of routine. And, of course, anyone should try down arrowing through
a form if information isn't read that is necessary while tabbing.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this? read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc. Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then goodbye. I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try it directly. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this? >I would say no then, and see if you can find out > > What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some > programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem. > I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and > see if there is any text there? > Brian > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM > Subject: [nvda] who knows this? > > >> hello friends from nvda, >> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows >> because of an update for example. >> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install. >> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no >> to. >> not even with the numeric keypad. >> not even with nvda-key plus 7 >> who knows what to do? >> thanks in advance! >> paul otter >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: Issues and tissues
Details on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users' group can be found by sending a message to: win10+help@win10.groups.io
The message you get back will give you the subscribe/unsubscribe addresses as well as the control addresses for how you receive traffic from the group. Since I've been a participant there, and a constant one, since the start I can tell you that no one is going to say what's been described is typical of a functioning Windows 10 installation. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: Issues and tissues
Arlene
Hi there: I know there's a windows ten out there. I'm not sure if it's
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on the same server as the NVDA list. I'm sure someone can help you find that list!
On 8/31/18, Damien Garwood <damien@...> wrote:
Hi there,
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
Jackie
I can remember when there was no such thing as a virtual buffer or
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browse mode or whatever the various flavors of screen readers wish to call it. It was a nightmare! I think Dr. Rick has it right--we have tools in the toolbox for a reason. To say a site is completely inaccessible when all a person wants to use is a screwdriver but they have a hammer & a wrench & pliers at their disposal, is inaccurate at best & libelous at worst. I have no affiliations whatever w/Blind Mice. None, nada, zip. But I do know Dale Campbell a little & I do remember when he had that site built. It was maybe 4 years ago? I remember he was having quite a bit of trouble then, &, although I don't know how much it cost, it had to have set him back a pretty penny. Small businesses cannot afford that every year or even every couple years, for that matter. They're also rather at the mercy of the folks who are constructing the site. So if they get someone who doesn't know what they're doing (& I am not at all saying this is the case--I think it has to do far more w/the change in accessibility guidelines & the implementation of newer technologies), then the business is screwed if their folks don't do it right. I've seen this so often! I think we need to be reasonable in our requests. If the site truly is unusable, or if we spend an hour filling out a form that should've taken us 10 minutes w/accessibility in place, then, yes, of course, they need to be contacted. But if all that's required is a few judicious presses of the down arrow key, then I'm not sure that making demands & saying they should be shuttered is at all reasonable. I think many truly don't understand what's involved in constructing a website, as well as the expense involved. For large institutions, it's a drop in the bucket. For small businesses, it can spell the difference between keeping the lights on & not being able to support one's family. Truly liberal application of the golden rule makes the world a better place for all to live in & let live. & the truth is that it is possible to be 100% in compliance w/accessibility guidelines & nonetheless have a completely unusable site, while the converse is also at least partially true. But the truth is totally that if folks don't avail themselves, for whatever the reasons, of the tools at their disposal, they're going to miss out on an awful lot.
On 8/31/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Sometimes, a lot of fuss can be used constructively, as demonstrated by the --
Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Brian...
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I think being locked into one way of doing things is exactly what people are saying you shouldn't do. Your method doesn't work, therefore you say something is totally inaccessible and rage about it. It's simply not true that it's inaccessible, though; you are the one locked into your personal method, or so I seems.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brian Sent: August 31, 2018 3:51 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda Mary you get my point that certain people on this list seem to miss. If nvda ever does make an add on to fix this problem and you don't want to use then don't use it but don't say that we should just have one way to deal with edit boxes as the answer to the problem for you there is no problem but some it is. There are lots of add ons that I will never use but I don't say that we don't an add on for that. We all have our own preferences but why should we be locked in to only one way to do what we want to do? This is the problem with the blind community theyare all to content to just axcept the way thing are because it's the way it has always been. This is the reason that we don't see more accessability people will not advocate for change and they think that we should all do the same. I do hope that the developers of nvda can find a fix for this problem or develope an add on to fix the problem. Would you really be on a job and take to much time to complete a task just because you can't do it in the most efficient way? You would not last very long on that job and if we want imployers to conciter allowing us to use nvda on a job then we do need to get this problem fixt. If you have nothing but time on your hands then you might not care how much time it takes to fill out a form but not everyone has that option. I think that people should conciter the needs of all nvda users instead of being so selfish If a fix can be found it will not just benifit me but every nvda user who may find it preferable. If an add on ever does becomes available I will getright then and it would be the greatest add on that has ever been made available. One way ofperforming a task is not the best for everyone but some of you just can't comprehend that. If it's good enough for me then it should be good enough for you but thats just not true. Thats a very narrow minded way of thinking. It seems that alot of blind people just don't want to advocate for anything well not me I am not afraid to do so or speak my mind when I feel that somthing needs to be changed and I don't care how many people disagree with me I have the right to express myself and I will never stop doing so. I will always keep on advocating for anything that I feel should be changed and if you disagree with me thats fine it's your right to do so. I don't agree with alot of what people say on here or on any other lists that I am on. I am glad that there are people on this list who do agree with me I say thank you and I do greatly appreciate this. Those of you who don't agree might learn somthing that the world does not and should not revolve arround what only want or don'twant. You just might see how benifit there might beby doing somthing that you might not agree with or feel that there is a need for. The needs of all users are just as important as yours are so don't limit yourself to the way you like somthing and nothing else. Do all sight people always do everything in the same way well no and neither should the blind. I am not trying to forceanyone to change the way they do somthing just be more opend to new ideas that you may not agree with. One way does not work best for everyone. Brian Sackrider On 8/31/2018 3:11 PM, Mary Otten wrote: What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the tab key. It’s a pain to have to go in and out of forms mode for every single field. Sure, you can use it. But it’s not the most efficient way, and if sighted people had to do something that was much less efficient, website would be hearing about it and changes would be made. I agree that we have had to do work around for years and will undoubtedly have to continue to do so. And it’s interesting why should it work for Jaws and not for nvDA? That is something that somebody on the NVDA side of things should be looking into. This could be a symptom of a more general problem. Lord knows, I have been seeing plenty of sites where tabbing through a form does not work well with NVDA.
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
Kwork
I never ever use tab only to navigate forms. In fact, I never ever use tab at all to do so. Too much info can be missed by not reading the entire screen. I use arrow keys and spacebar. Tabbing, some say, is the most efficient way to navigate forms mode. I say that tabbing is the most efficient way of missing what is not being read on the screen when using the arrow keys, or object navigation, in some extreme cases like Amazon, will pick that up.
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On 8/31/2018 6:47 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,
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Re: Issues and tissues
These issues sound idiosyncratic. They also sound, to me, like the kind of thing I've seen on Windows 7/8/8.1 systems upgraded to Windows 10 that were "well used" before they were upgraded.
If the latter is the case, you are far better off backing up your user data, collecting an inventory of the programs you have installed (Belarc Advisor is great for that), making a full system image backup, then following the instructions for Doing a Completely Clean Install of Windows 10. If you don't want to go that far first, then at the very least try Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10 -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: Issues and tissues
Damien Garwood <damien@...>
Hi Brian,
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Unfortunately the playing a silent sound doesn't seem to work. Cheers, Damien.
On 31/08/2018 06:41 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The audio fade in is known about by Microsoft. its a realtech driver issue. they should have fixed this by now. Apparently the hardware is turned off after each use, what a silly thing to do. the only answer is to continuously play a silent sound at the moment.
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
Gene
Sometimes, a lot of fuss can be used
constructively, as demonstrated by the progression of the thread.
Gene
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From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and
nvda -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites. But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome. So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know, folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp. If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think you'll like the results. On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote: > somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I > said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions > of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab > from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to > the edit boxes. > > Brian Sackrider > > On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote: >> Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not >> purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just >> with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years >> ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the >> facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment. If >> this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it only >> happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something >> has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the problem is >> very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has >> been contacted and how they have responded. If it is there proboem, >> do they know about it? You have no facts. >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...> >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda >> >> Hi, Brian, >> >> This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that >> has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll >> shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site. >> >> Rosemarie >> >> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda >> >> Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have >> always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what >> it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't. >> >> Brian Sackrider >> >> On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote: >> >> I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using >> an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also >> looked at it years ago and saw no such problem. >> >> Gene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...> >> >> *Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM >> >> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> >> *Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda >> >> When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to >> edit >> box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of >> fire >> fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab >> from >> edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons >> disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on for >> years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem >> occures in >> every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for email >> newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what >> information is required in each edit box this makes the site not >> accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the >> latest update of windows 10 app ecentials. >> >> Brian Sackrider >> >> >> > > > > -- Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
Mary you get my point that certain people on this list seem to miss. If nvda ever does make an add on to fix this problem and you don't want to use then don't use it but don't say that we should just have one way to deal with edit boxes as the answer to the problem for you there is no problem but some it is. There are lots of add ons that I will never use but I don't say that we don't an add on for that. We all have our own preferences but why should we be locked in to only one way to do what we want to do? This is the problem with the blind community theyare all to content to just axcept the way thing are because it's the way it has always been. This is the reason that we don't see more accessability people will not advocate for change and they think that we should all do the same. I do hope that the developers of nvda can find a fix for this problem or develope an add on to fix the problem. Would you really be on a job and take to much time to complete a task just because you can't do it in the most efficient way? You would not last very long on that job and if we want imployers to conciter allowing us to use nvda on a job then we do need to get this problem fixt. If you have nothing but time on your hands then you might not care how much time it takes to fill out a form but not everyone has that option. I think that people should conciter the needs of all nvda users instead of being so selfish If a fix can be found it will not just benifit me but every nvda user who may find it preferable. If an add on ever does becomes available I will getright then and it would be the greatest add on that has ever been made available. One way ofperforming a task is not the best for everyone but some of you just can't comprehend that. If it's good enough for me then it should be good enough for you but thats just not true. Thats a very narrow minded way of thinking. It seems that alot of blind people just don't want to advocate for anything well not me I am not afraid to do so or speak my mind when I feel that somthing needs to be changed and I don't care how many people disagree with me I have the right to express myself and I will never stop doing so. I will always keep on advocating for anything that I feel should be changed and if you disagree with me thats fine it's your right to do so. I don't agree with alot of what people say on here or on any other lists that I am on. I am glad that there are people on this list who do agree with me I say thank you and I do greatly appreciate this. Those of you who don't agree might learn somthing that the world does not and should not revolve arround what only want or don'twant. You just might see how benifit there might beby doing somthing that you might not agree with or feel that there is a need for. The needs of all users are just as important as yours are so don't limit yourself to the way you like somthing and nothing else. Do all sight people always do everything in the same way well no and neither should the blind. I am not trying to forceanyone to change the way they do somthing just be more opend to new ideas that you may not agree with. One way does not work best for everyone.
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Brian Sackrider
On 8/31/2018 3:11 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the tab key. It’s a pain to have to go in and out of forms mode for every single field. Sure, you can use it. But it’s not the most efficient way, and if sighted people had to do something that was much less efficient, website would be hearing about it and changes would be made. I agree that we have had to do work around for years and will undoubtedly have to continue to do so. And it’s interesting why should it work for Jaws and not for nvDA? That is something that somebody on the NVDA side of things should be looking into. This could be a symptom of a more general problem. Lord knows, I have been seeing plenty of sites where tabbing through a form does not work well with NVDA.
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Re: who knows this?
Gene
The link is:
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels
correctly with NVDA. It does with JAWS. It is now, in my opinion a
question for NVDA developers to look at. is this an NVDA problem or a site
problem? Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so
very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?
Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be
taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general. Consider
the following:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at
least 1 number):
Password is the field and JAWS sees that text. But the information about must be six characters, etc. is not read. That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it. They won't include a number or it will be too short. There are a lot of sites that have information that may be
important between fields that is not read when tabbing. Again, another
example of poor Internet instruction. There are forms where I know, as an
experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information
between the fields. But what about all the inexperienced users? What
about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing,
not tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not being
accepted? Had they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to
use in a field, they'd know.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this? read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc. Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then goodbye. I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try it directly. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this? >I would say no then, and see if you can find out > > What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some > programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem. > I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and > see if there is any text there? > Brian > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM > Subject: [nvda] who knows this? > > >> hello friends from nvda, >> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows >> because of an update for example. >> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install. >> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no >> to. >> not even with the numeric keypad. >> not even with nvda-key plus 7 >> who knows what to do? >> thanks in advance! >> paul otter >> >> >> > > > >
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Re: Issues and tissues
Damien Garwood <damien@...>
Hi there,
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I suspect my Windows 7 settings would have been retained during the Windows 10 upgrade process. I have just checked that though just to make sure, and it is indeed still set to do nothing. Cheers, Damien.
On 31/08/2018 08:03 PM, Chris via Groups.Io wrote:
One thing you could check with the sound ducking is to go into control panel then open sound and go to the communication tab and set the automatic volume control to do nothing
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
Mary Otten
What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the What’s so great about the tab key is that it is the most efficient way of filling out a form, after you have looked at it to make sure you’ve seen everything that’s there. A lot fewer keystrokes. The longer the form, the more efficient the tab key. It’s a pain to have to go in and out of forms mode for every single field. Sure, you can use it. But it’s not the most efficient way, and if sighted people had to do something that was much less efficient, website would be hearing about it and changes would be made. I agree that we have had to do work around for years and will undoubtedly have to continue to do so. And it’s interesting why should it work for Jaws and not for nvDA? That is something that somebody on the NVDA side of things should be looking into. This could be a symptom of a more general problem. Lord knows, I have been seeing plenty of sites where tabbing through a form does not work well with NVDA.
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On Aug 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
What's so great about using the tab key anyway? Sure, it's convenient sometimes, but it's hardly the best way of navigating a site, and even on a form, you can miss valuable information if you don't inspect things more carefully.
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When people say something is inaccessible, I'm always skeptical nowadays. They might be onto something, but it's entirely possible what they really mean is that they don't like it. I personally hate it when the only option in a programme is to tab tab tab around everywhere to find buttons to press. Give me good quick keystrokes to input, or at least menus! But hey, not having those doesn't mean the programme is inaccessible, it's just inconvenient. And I don't think this site is terribly inconvenient for NVDA users. I'd be interested to hear why NVDA doesn't behave the same as JAWS does, but at the end of the day, it doesn't have to.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone Sent: August 31, 2018 2:49 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact correct. It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business". Antony. On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote: Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.-- 90% of networking problems are routing problems. 9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction. The remaining 1% might be something else, but check the routing anyway. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Issues and tissues
Chris
One thing you could check with the sound ducking is to go into control panel then open sound and go to the communication tab and set the automatic volume control to do nothing
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Sent: 31 August 2018 18:42 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues and tissues
The audio fade in is known about by Microsoft. its a realtech driver issue. they should have fixed this by now. Apparently the hardware is turned off after each use, what a silly thing to do. the only answer is to continuously play a silent sound at the moment. And you wonder why I am not on 10 on my main machine? Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 3:58 PM Subject: [nvda] Issues and tissues
> Hi there, > After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded > mountain of Windows 10. > I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid > thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying > with frustration. > There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I can't > quite figure out. > 1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp especially, I > find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is > focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on file > operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main window > rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or closing a > dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set marker dialog, > again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do anything > useful). > 2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio > device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather > disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A" instead of > "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked despite > audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it was some > kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings to highest > possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do with audio in > there in the first place. > 3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see yourself > arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new application has > registered the alt press). > Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having these > issues? > There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that I've > managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help other > people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so if anyone > knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I might post my > full impressions and experiences there as well. > Cheers. > Damien. > > > >
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Sorry, but why do you say it's inaccessible? It might not work in quite the way you like or are used to, but it's quite accessible using the latest NVDA, Firefox ESR and Windows 10 1803. Sure, the fields aren't read aloud when you tab between them once the forms mode comes on, but all you have to do is hit insert-space. Or you could look at the form before you start entering data, so you know what you have to fill out using the arrow keys.
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It is interesting that JAWS 18 reads the labels in the way you are used to while NVDA doesn't. It'd be worthwhile perhaps to find out why this is. But it's really a very minor inconvenience, no?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: August 30, 2018 9:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda I just tried the site with webbie and it's not accessible. These people should be ashamed of themselves--especially since they claim to be a site designed for use with screen readers. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 5:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda I just tried to go in to the site with webie and it just says edit when I tab from edit box to edit box. Brian Sackrider On 8/30/2018 8:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, Brian,
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
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Jackie
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Thank you for this. As has always been the case, if you have many tools in your toolbox and one does not work the way you hoped, try another one. That is why they are in your toolbox! Rick
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites. But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome. So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know, folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp. If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think you'll like the results. On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote: somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I -- Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe Jackie McBride Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time https://brighter-vision.com
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Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda
Antony Stone
I agree, and I'm amazed at some of the people here who have been prepared to
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scathingly condemn the site and its owners without even checking to see whether their assertion that "it's completely inaccessible" is in fact correct. It could be better, agreed (but then again, what couldn't), but that's a far cry from "totally unusable, and they don't deserve business". Antony.
On Friday 31 August 2018 at 20:40:55, JM Casey wrote:
Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is. --
90% of networking problems are routing problems. 9 of the remaining 10% are routing problems in the other direction. The remaining 1% might be something else, but check the routing anyway. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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