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Re: Problems With NVDA On My Computer

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What are you using to say copied to clipboard etc, if its the dumb add on, then it is as they say, dumb and hence you may not have selected the stuff you want to actually copy.
Not sure what you mean about icon, many things can trigger the icon description, but it only means you have encountered an icon, so I think a little more detail into what where and what with are needed to give a good answer to this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ibrahim Ajayi" <@kobisko>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 1:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA On My Computer


Hi good people:
Please I am having two problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The first problem is that wwhen I want to use it on the internet, I
always hear "Icon1 of 5 or icon 4 of 5. I don't understand what this
is all about. I didn't install any icons. What can I do about this,
because it makes it impossible sometimes for me to browse.
Can I remove the icons? how do I remove them, because I didn't install
them, and I don't even understand what they are all about, and their
function.
Secondly, sometimes, when I copy an item from a web page, or an Email
message, it doesn't get pasted. When I copy it, I hear copy selection
to clipboard, and when I paste on the word processor, I hear pasted
from clipboard: but nothing gets pasted.
So the question now is: does anyone have ideas on how I can solve
these two problems?
Hope to read a response.
From Ibrahim.


Re: new facebook captcha

David Moore
 

Good job, governor Staten!

I wish I had the passion you do about accessibility!

Wow, I needed you as my advocate when I had this job!

Right on!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

That’s true. However, accessibility is still important.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Hi Group,

 

I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the  current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on  deaf ears.  We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments.

 

 

On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.

 

"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.


Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!


Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.


This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."

 

 

 

 

On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!


 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

 


Re: new facebook captcha

Sky Mundell
 

That’s true. However, accessibility is still important.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Hi Group,

 

I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the  current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on  deaf ears.  We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments.

 

 

On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.

 

"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.


Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!


Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.


This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."

 

 

 


 

On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!





-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: new facebook captcha

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I hate to be the barer of bad news, but with continued deregulation of the Internet and an absolute abandonment of accessibility in education by the  current crowd in Washington, I think more and more, such appeals will fall on  deaf ears.  We're simply too small a market to justify the resources to create such accessibility instruments.



On 8/31/2018 10:36 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.


"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.


Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!


Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.


This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."






On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
 
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!





-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: trillian?

Brian Tew
 

Ok, it baasically will not let me update, or maybe I don't know how.
I removed everything having to do with miranda from the pc, then got your file.
Install went ok. But now when I start miranda it says:

this is an old daatabase no longer used, click yes to change to new format.

so I click yes.
then it says:

cannot read default.dat. it is inaccessible or is being used by another app or instance of miranda.


I am very new to windows. What should I do now?
And thanks.

 

On Aug 31, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:

I could use dropbox but I change my dropbox around so often no doubt I would delete it forgetting it is a shared file. All versions of Miranda NG should be completely uninstalled before installing this version. The old link is below but it no longer works. When you install this blind version, be sure to update because it is a slightly older version! I can't stress this enough. If you don't update, FaceBook won't work, Twitter won't work, discord won't work. My email is below, as well. Write to me.

old link.

http://onj3.andrelouis.com/programs/

kingettr@...


ccleaner new version

 

Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings that existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting issues with extra info added for that option including more datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to installed ever again.


Re: new facebook captcha

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How ridiculous is right. I guess they think we're robots.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 7:01 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha

Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!


Re: new facebook captcha

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That's great. I couldn't have said it better.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 7:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.

 

"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.


Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!


Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.


This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."

 

 

 


 

On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha

 

Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!




Re: new facebook captcha

 

I wrote this little ditty to Facebook accessibility. I had the wrong address. However, I have commented on a Facebook post about this captcha issue. What I wrote follows. It probalby isn't perfect in tone.


"Hello. My name is Governor Staten. I'm sending this to remonstrate with you about this new captcha that has been implemented to prevent fake accounts. I"m a totally blind user, and this captcha is completely impossible for me to solve without sighted assistance, or some other tool I cannot yet access. I use your service every single day. Some things I do on it are deemed as essential to me, my friends, and organizations I am a part of.


Why is there no alternative given to make it possible for the blind to solve this captcha, therefore proving that we are not a spam account, and also proving we are human? Why is it that not being able to solve a purely visual construct makes us not human? It is honestly quite degrading to have it implied that because I cannot solve this captcha that I could be considered a spam account and not a real human being, the same human being who is writing this email to you. This issue is urgent and must be solved immediately!!!


Someone that is as dedicated to accessibility as your organization evidently is should not be making such errors as the one mentioned above. There are a few ways in which this can be solved. For instance, an audio captcha, or asking a question that we can then answer, proving we are human. One more way that I have just contemplated is to use the code generator to provide the answer to the captcha. Have a mode in which it provides these answers if you are blind and/or visually impaired. I'm sure there are other quite inventive ways I haven't yet thought of that could be used as well.


This is all to say that something must be done at your soonest opportunity to do so. I hope that this is not long languishing in a pile that is not urgent or not looked at."






On 8/31/2018 10:23 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
 
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!





Re: new facebook captcha

Lino Morales
 

Yes Govsta and it sucks.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Governor staten <govsta@...>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:00:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new facebook captcha
 
Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove
your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to
solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of
a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the
blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test
pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve
a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!





Re: Problems With NVDA On My Computer

David Moore
 

I can solve your second problem!

If nothing gets pasted, I go back and copy the material again, and then it gets pasted.

Another thing I have to do sometimes, is to press CTRL+C to copy, but press C three or four times, to make sure it gets copied.

Do the same with paste.

Press the V three or four times.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:51 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA On My Computer

 

Hi good people:

Please I am having two problems with my NVDA screen reader.

The first problem is that wwhen I want to use it on the internet, I

always hear "Icon1 of 5 or icon 4 of 5.  I don't understand what this

is all about.  I didn't install any icons.  What can I do about this,

because it makes it impossible sometimes for me to browse.

Can I remove the icons? how do I remove them, because I didn't install

them, and I don't even understand what they are all about, and their

function.

Secondly, sometimes, when I copy an item from a web page, or an Email

message, it doesn't get pasted.  When I copy it, I hear copy selection

to clipboard, and when I paste on the word processor, I hear pasted

from clipboard: but nothing gets pasted.

So the question now is: does anyone have ideas on how I can solve

these two problems?

Hope to read a response.

From Ibrahim.

 

 

 


new facebook captcha

 

Hello list. It now appears that Facebook is using a new captcha to prove your account isn't spam. It's not the easiest thing in the world to solve captchas at this time. I'm not willing to run an older version of a browser to do so.


Another thing is that Facebook should make this test possible for the blind to pass without much hassle. Has anyone else seen this new test pop up? These things say we're not human because we can't read or solve a picture puzzle. How ridiculous!!!


Re: Hi everyone

Gene
 

It can't run automatically as a portable version.  Windows did away with autorun in Windows 7 because malware was autorunning from thumb drives.  You must run the program manually.  and wherever it is as a portable version, even on a hard drive in your machine, the features such as run at bootup and any other automatic runnning feature won't work.  They require registry settings and portable versions don't make any changes to the system.
 
Run narrator when running from a thumb drive and run NVDA.  Then shut down Narrator.  They won't interfere with each other when they run, except that you'll hear them both speak and shutting down Narrator won't cause problems with how NVDA runs.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hi everyone

Hi Everyone, This is Michael Munn and I have a question about the restriction of the NVDA Screen Reader. 

in July of this year I created a Portable copy of the NVDA Screen  Reader. After I completed the Portable Copy process when I'm exploring the settings I could not find Run NVDA on the Log on Screen and Start NVDA automatically.
Then  I contacted Quentin C from NVAccess and he told me that there are restriction. 
I want to know what kind of restriction that don't allow NVDA to run on log on Screen  and Start NVDA automacally after I plug  my USB stick in to the USB slot. ¿
 
Please respond if you all can.
Best Regards Michael Munn 
  
"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell, 
Des Moines 
1968
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Delegate:  
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind
Email address:



Miranda NG for the blind link

 

A blind programmer made a pre configured version of the free and open source Miranda NG IM Client for windows. You can even now add discord to the list of IM accounts. Settings have been configured to work best with NVDA, not JAWS. Sorry JAWS users! But I am sure you can change some settings and stuff. Anyway, the download link is below. This link will expire in 7 days. I'd love it if the official Miranda NG crew agreed to host this on their page. But anyway, one thing though, when it starts, it will ask for an update. Be sure to update everything because if you don't, a lot of plugins and accounts, including skype, will not work. The skype account only supports text chat, basically everything except calling.


https://we.tl/t-BYdYfMOZt7


Problems With NVDA On My Computer

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hi good people:
Please I am having two problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The first problem is that wwhen I want to use it on the internet, I
always hear "Icon1 of 5 or icon 4 of 5. I don't understand what this
is all about. I didn't install any icons. What can I do about this,
because it makes it impossible sometimes for me to browse.
Can I remove the icons? how do I remove them, because I didn't install
them, and I don't even understand what they are all about, and their
function.
Secondly, sometimes, when I copy an item from a web page, or an Email
message, it doesn't get pasted. When I copy it, I hear copy selection
to clipboard, and when I paste on the word processor, I hear pasted
from clipboard: but nothing gets pasted.
So the question now is: does anyone have ideas on how I can solve
these two problems?
Hope to read a response.
From Ibrahim.


Hi everyone

Michael Munn
 

Hi Everyone, This is Michael Munn and I have a question about the restriction of the NVDA Screen Reader. 

in July of this year I created a Portable copy of the NVDA Screen  Reader. After I completed the Portable Copy process when I'm exploring the settings I could not find Run NVDA on the Log on Screen and Start NVDA automatically.
Then  I contacted Quentin C from NVAccess and he told me that there are restriction. 
I want to know what kind of restriction that don't allow NVDA to run on log on Screen  and Start NVDA automacally after I plug  my USB stick in to the USB slot. ¿
 
Please respond if you all can.
Best Regards Michael Munn 
  
"If a person must be blind, it is better to be blind in Iowa than anywhere else in the nation or in the world."
Harold Russell, 
Des Moines 
1968
Michael Munn
Member:
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Delegate:  
Virginia Association of Blind Student
Student of:
Hadley Institute for the Blind
Email address:



Re: who knows this?

Gene
 

I need to make a correction.  I just checked and, for some reason, I was wrong about Chrome.  When tabbing through the fields, it doesn't see the text associated with the fields using NVDA either.  So the question is, why does JAWS see it and NVDA not and how common is this discrepancy on other sites.  Is this very rare or does it occur often enough to be addressed by the developers?
 
Also, I didn't express myself with proper clarity in the quoted message below.  I'm therefore rewriting certain passages to make them properly clear. If anyone was uncertain what I was saying, here is the more clear version.  The message appears below my signature.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?

The link is:
I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels correctly with NVDA.  It does with JAWS.  It is now, in my opinion a question for NVDA developers to look at.  is this an NVDA problem or a site problem?  Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?
 
Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general.  Consider the following quote from the form we are discussing:
Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at least 1 number):
 
JAWS sees the word "password" but the explanatory text about what the password must contain is not read when tabbing.  That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it.  They won't include a number or it will be too short. 
 
There are a lot of sites that have information that may be important between fields that is not read when tabbing.  Again, another example of poor Internet instruction.  There are forms where I know, as an experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information between the fields.  But what about all the inexperienced users?  What about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing instead of tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not being accepted?  Had they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to use in a field, they'd know. 
 
Experienced users may want to tab through unfamiliar forms but they may have problems as a result.  the best way to deal with a form is to down arrow through it and certainly, inexperienced users should do so as a matter of routine.  And, of course, anyone should try down arrowing through a form if information isn't read that is necessary while tabbing.   
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:06 PM
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Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still could not
read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc.
Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then
goodbye.
 I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody
wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try
it directly.
 Brian

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>I would say no then, and see if you can find out
>
> What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some
> programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
> I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and
> see if there is any text there?
> Brian
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>
>> hello friends from nvda,
>> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
>> because of an update for example.
>> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
>> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no
>> to.
>> not even with the numeric keypad.
>> not even with nvda-key plus 7
>> who knows what to do?
>> thanks in advance!
>> paul otter
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Issues and tissues

 

Details on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users' group can be found by sending a message to:  win10+help@win10.groups.io

The message you get back will give you the subscribe/unsubscribe addresses as well as the control addresses for how you receive traffic from the group.

Since I've been a participant there, and a constant one, since the start I can tell you that no one is going to say what's been described is typical of a functioning Windows 10 installation.
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Re: Issues and tissues

Arlene
 

Hi there: I know there's a windows ten out there. I'm not sure if it's
on the same server as the NVDA list. I'm sure someone can help you
find that list!

On 8/31/18, Damien Garwood <@daygar> wrote:
Hi there,
After a lot of umming and ahhing, I am once again climbing the dreaded
mountain of Windows 10.
I have a lot of first impressions that make me want to throw the stupid
thing out the window (no pun intended), instead I'm resorting to crying
with frustration.
There are three things specific to using Windows 10 with NVDA that I
can't quite figure out.
1. Window focus issues: Alt tabbing through windows (Winamp especially,
I find I have to alt+tab to it twice for it to recognise that Winamp is
focused), new dialogs opening (can't access confirmation messages on
file operations, again, alt+tab will announce the application's main
window rather than any dialog that might be opened, manually opening or
closing a dialog, such as obtaining information from GoldWave's set
marker dialog, again I'm having to close and reopen that to get it to do
anything useful).
2. Audio issues: Slight fade-in before any sound plays from my audio
device. This never happened in Windows 7 and it can be rather
disconcerting when speech starts a word and you mishear it ("A" instead
of "The", "I" instead of "My" etc), and audio sometimes being ducked
despite audio ducking being turned off in NVDA. At first I thought it
was some kind of power saving issue, but after setting my power settings
to highest possible it still hasn't stopped, and there is nothing to do
with audio in there in the first place.
3. Keyboard? issues: Press alt+f4 to close something, and you see
yourself arrowing through a menu bar (I'm guessing because the new
application has registered the alt press).
Has anyone found a way around these, or is it just me that's having
these issues?
There are a lot of other things about using Windows 10 generally that
I've managed to either avoid or completely disable that I think may help
other people, and a few things that I could do with knowing myself, so
if anyone knows of a Windows 10 for the blind or similar list, then I
might post my full impressions and experiences there as well.
Cheers.
Damien.





Re: problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Jackie
 

I can remember when there was no such thing as a virtual buffer or
browse mode or whatever the various flavors of screen readers wish to
call it. It was a nightmare! I think Dr. Rick has it right--we have
tools in the toolbox for a reason. To say a site is completely
inaccessible when all a person wants to use is a screwdriver but they
have a hammer & a wrench & pliers at their disposal, is inaccurate at
best & libelous at worst. I have no affiliations whatever w/Blind
Mice. None, nada, zip. But I do know Dale Campbell a little & I do
remember when he had that site built. It was maybe 4 years ago? I
remember he was having quite a bit of trouble then, &, although I
don't know how much it cost, it had to have set him back a pretty
penny. Small businesses cannot afford that every year or even every
couple years, for that matter. They're also rather at the mercy of the
folks who are constructing the site. So if they get someone who
doesn't know what they're doing (& I am not at all saying this is the
case--I think it has to do far more w/the change in accessibility
guidelines & the implementation of newer technologies), then the
business is screwed if their folks don't do it right. I've seen this
so often! I think we need to be reasonable in our requests. If the
site truly is unusable, or if we spend an hour filling out a form that
should've taken us 10 minutes w/accessibility in place, then, yes, of
course, they need to be contacted. But if all that's required is a few
judicious presses of the down arrow key, then I'm not sure that making
demands & saying they should be shuttered is at all reasonable. I
think many truly don't understand what's involved in constructing a
website, as well as the expense involved. For large institutions, it's
a drop in the bucket. For small businesses, it can spell the
difference between keeping the lights on & not being able to support
one's family. Truly liberal application of the golden rule makes the
world a better place for all to live in & let live. & the truth is
that it is possible to be 100% in compliance w/accessibility
guidelines & nonetheless have a completely unusable site, while the
converse is also at least partially true. But the truth is totally
that if folks don't avail themselves, for whatever the reasons, of the
tools at their disposal, they're going to miss out on an awful lot.

On 8/31/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Sometimes, a lot of fuss can be used constructively, as demonstrated by the
progression of the thread.

Gene
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From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda


Seriously. What a lot of fuss over not much this all is.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: August 30, 2018 10:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

The problem is that the site is based on older technology. No--the tab key
does not work particularly well on the site, as is the case w/many sites.
But using arrow keys works very well. Using them, all form fields are
labeled, etc, using latest stable NVDA, Firefox, & Chrome.

So those who are having problems--have you tried using arrow keys? You know,
folks, it can cost a lot of money to keep websites up w/the latest
technologies. & these evolve so rapidly that one can find oneself in a
position of almost constantly having to pay for a revamp.
If the site truly were inaccessible, I'd have something to say--if for no
other reason that the web is what I do--but this from my experience is not
inaccessible nor has it ever been. Try up/down arrow keys, yall. I think
you'll like the results.

On 8/30/18, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
somone who can fill out the contact form can contact them as I
said I have always had this problem so that means for several versions
of nvda so maybe we need an add on to read edit boxes when you tab
from edit box to edit box so you can hear what you need to put in to
the edit boxes.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 10:06 PM, Gene wrote:
Please stop rushing to condemnation. You have no grounds to not
purchase from the site. You don't know if this is a problem just
with new versions of NVDA. I looked at the site a number of years
ago and I didn't use Chrome. It worked properly. Please get the
facts about these kinds of situations before rushing to judgment. If
this is an NVDA problem, it is not a Mice Mart problem. If it only
happends in current or very recent versions of NVDA, then something
has very likely changed in NVDA. Once we determine if the problem is
very likely an NVDA or a site problem, we don't know if the site has
been contacted and how they have responded. If it is there proboem,
do they know about it? You have no facts.
Gene
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*From:* Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Hi, Brian,

This is a mystery to me too. I was planning to buy a cookbook that
has microwave recipes that you make in a mug but I don't think I'll
shop on that site. I wonder if they ever will fix that site.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:10 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

Gene this is a mystery why you don't have this problem and I have
always had this problem when you tab from edit box do you hear what
it say what you need to put in to the box? I don't.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/30/2018 9:07 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know why you have the problem. I looked at the site using
an older version of NVDA and of Chrome and had no problem. I also
looked at it years ago and saw no such problem.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*brian <mailto:sackriderbrian45@...>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:29 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] problem with the blind mice mart site and nvda

When I tried to sign up for an account and I tab from edit box to
edit
box all I hear is edit has auto complete on the latest version of
fire
fox. When I tried the same thing with ie 11 all I hear when I tab
from
edit box to edit box is edit. I have restarted nvda with add ons
disabled and it's still the same. This problems has been going on
for
years now and they have not fixt the problem. This problem
occures in
every edit box on the site the contact form and the sign up for
email
newsletters. you can't fill out any form if you don't know what
information is required in each edit box this makes the site not
accessable like it or not. I have the latest version of nvda and the
latest update of windows 10 app ecentials.

Brian Sackrider





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