The ini file should not be set to remove all cookies. Third party cookies, fine, or however CCleaner removes tracking cookies and other cookies, most of which will be third party cookies. but since far too many people rely on cookies to log into sites automatically and make the very serious mistake of not saving there user information somewhere where they can get it, in a password protected file, in Braille, etc. they will be unable to log into all their sites that require it and will manually have to enter their user information for every one. If they don't have it, they will have to use the forgot password features on all such sites.

When you create such a file and distribute it, you need to consider the way typical users use their computers, not jus how you do.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 2:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Well the cookies line will repopulate.

I tried!

As for the avast cookies having them there will stop some adds coming
aparently.

As for your mailto entries, since my system is a system without any
office program, and since I don't doodle with the applications I can't
fix everything.

The ini file is a general configuration file made for a general windows
system.

You will have to customise things manually if your configuration is
different, maybe I should add this as a disclaimer or something.

I don't include everything, yes I could but it slows things down.

If you think you need to modify for yourself etc then you can do so.



On 9/2/2018 10:35 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I would take issue with you about your .ini file. If i run that with
ccleaner it will remove all the mailto links in the registry, so
nothing will use my default mail client when i click on a lingk to an
email address. I've put that all back as default now. Also, I have
also made the cookies line remove avast cookies.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

I doubt that its the case.

Adds are usually just spammy adds and I wouldn't trust them.

As for the portable version, its been the same version for ages and
ages, that means your installed version from official ccleaner site,
is the latest always and you can get it from the builds page.

And even if it became an avast product its not that bad as long as
you still had portable.

Look at sophos, look at malwarebytes, malware bytes is a sophos product.

So it can work.

I will not install it but even so ccleaner is still good.



On 9/2/2018 8:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the
installed one.

I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an
advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the
end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the
universe now does?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.

Roger










On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:

Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them
all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

\










On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is

different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings

that

existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning

instead to

explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more

descriptions

but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I

can use

portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





.

.

Others who use Windows 10 will telll you more and we will see if my memory is correct.  As I recall, this is the result of UIA, a system used much more in Windows 10 to communicate with screen-readers.  I don't think you can do anything about it, as I recall what I've seen discussed here, though I may have found a partial work around.  I don't use Windows 10 so you can see.  I'll explain it after the rest of my general comments.  I wonder if JAWS has the same problem.  Others who know more technically may comment on whether this is a Microsoft problem or if it will take both Microsoft and NVDA developers to solve it. 

 

Try this:

I'm giving desktop layout commands:

Move into the folder where you want to find a file.  Instead of down arrowing, move through each item as though it were its own object, which it is.  The command to move by object down the screen is numpad insert numpad 6.  Keep holding insert and pressing six to move through the list.  To move back, the command is numpad insert numpad 4.  When you want to open something, it will not be selected.  use the command numpad insert numpad enter.  Execute the command twice, once to select the item, once to open it.  You are doing what a mouse user does when he/she double clicks an item.  You aren't using a mouse but you are first selecting, then taking an action, in this case opening it, which is the same sequence a mouse user follows.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:02 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I
ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the
other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now
uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through
files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second
delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the
backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or
am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and
folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned
off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and
stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make
things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things
get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it
would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in
Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] kody

The screen reader addon for kodi can be found within the kodi program itself

So unfortunately you will need sighted help to search and install the addon

After its been installed you should be good to go

 

 

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> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:40 PM

> Subject: [nvda] kody

> 

> 

> hi there. can someone please help me with kody? its not talking with

> nvdA or jaws. you can install a skreenreader for it. but I doent know

> ware to get the skreenreader, and how to install it. can you please

> help me? if you want to ad me on skype, its adel.spence or you can

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> i'm wateing for your ancers

> 

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Both thoughts to consider. Thanks. I wouldn't know where to go looking for the virtual storage setting.

HI,

I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of thing has been eliminated since I last did software development.

It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what used to happen when a program had a memory leak.  As time went by and more and more events happened memory would fill up and things would slow down.

I would expect that if this were the case many more of us would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound like there are very many.

Is this possible?

Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the virtual storage setting is high enough on your system?  This used to happen if virtual storage was set too low.  Sorry, it has been too long since I last worked with virtual storage and I can't seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10.  Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find it.

I hope this helps.

Dan Beaver

On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis

Hi to you, friend,


When I'm in such trouble, I press NVDA plus B to let it read what it has to read in such a dialogue. Try that.


On 31/08/2018 11:12, P. Otter wrote:

hello friends from nvda,
I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows because of an update for example.
I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no to.
not even with the numeric keypad.
not even with nvda-key plus 7
who knows what to do?
thanks in advance!
paul otter



.

.

Hi,
There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se).
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with. Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA

I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010.
I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the burning doesn't start.
Any advices?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@...

so is there any alternatives to the software, besides using the portable software?


On 9/1/2018 11:25 PM, Desert Moon wrote:

Hello,

Not a big fan of products like CCleaner. In September of 2017, it was widely reported that the backdoor was being exploited to have malware implanted. And another report last December:

The actual malware detected in CCleaner was found to contain malicious code: the attackers implanted their code in a legitimate product that received a legitimate certificate.

Who knows when or if the above will happen again. Use the product at your own risk.

--
Desert

Hello,

What's up with ccleaner? I've got an update and now when in the
cleaner tab either applications or windows tab nothing indicates
whether it is on or not, I don't know what items are going to be
removed. Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/2/18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

What makes it awful? If you simply move by heading, you will get to the
same results, displayed in the same manner, as previously. You will hear
the category you are in, web results as a heading, then continuing to move
by heading using h, which moves from heading to heading, to get to exactly
the same results.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 3:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Yes that new google format is really awful making search a multi search
process. It used to be intuitive now it is awful, sadly other search engines

seem to be going the same way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clare Page" <clare.page@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Hi!
Thanks for the info below about CCleaner 5.46, with the Dropbox link to the

new .ini file.
Talking of links, would it be possible to post one here where we can easily

get the portable version of CCleaner, please? When my current portable
version tells me there is an update, I'm taken to the Piriform site when I
hit the "yes" button, and I can't find a download link for portable CCleaner

there. Doing a Google search brings up different results every time, and the

sites in the Google search results can be confusing anyway.
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: samedi 1 septembre 2018 07:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings that
existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting issues
with extra info added for that option including more datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning instead to
explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at startup
anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more descriptions but
I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I can use
portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to installed
ever again.

.

Below is the link for the enhancer file, which will allow more cleaning options and otherwise. It should work on portable versions. I've also included a link to Puran Utilities, an accessible revo uninstaller alternative. Puran is not portable. I believe it is open source though? Not sure. Puran is also like a system mechanic, but accessible. It hasn't been updated in a while though, but I have yet to find a program as good.

https://singularlabs.com/software/ccenhancer/

http://www.puransoftware.com/Puran-Utilities-Download.html

I would take issue with you about your .ini file. If i run that with ccleaner it will remove all the mailto links in the registry, so nothing will use my default mail client when i click on a lingk to an email address. I've put that all back as default now. Also, I have also made the cookies line remove avast cookies.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

I doubt that its the case.

Adds are usually just spammy adds and I wouldn't trust them.

As for the portable version, its been the same version for ages and ages, that means your installed version from official ccleaner site, is the latest always and you can get it from the builds page.

And even if it became an avast product its not that bad as long as you still had portable.

Look at sophos, look at malwarebytes, malware bytes is a sophos product.

So it can work.

I will not install it but even so ccleaner is still good.



On 9/2/2018 8:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

In my experience the portable is normally an older version to the installed one.

I also noticed something in an advert on filehippo yesterday, an advert for an Avast system cleaning utility. Could we be nearing the end of ccleaner now they belong to Avast as it seems half the universe now does?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

I was trying to get the latest version of the portable Ccleaner.

Roger










On 9/1/2018 12:21 PM, Gene wrote:

Only use the portable version or the slim version. The other versions
are likely to install unwanted programs in additional to the actual
software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, September 01, 2018 11:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version

Can you please provide a link to the latest portable version? I tried
Googling it and there were several links there, but I tried them all and
none of them seemed to work. I found the download button but when I
activate it it just clicks and shows a screen shot of the Ccleaner
itself but no download occurred on any of those links I found.

Thanks.

Roger

\










On 9/1/2018 12:21 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hi all portable ccleaner users.

Here is the updated ini file if you don't want to bother with it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m15toyhbsmdy5fb/ccleaner.ini?dl=1

For those that want to know what is changed.

options/privacy needs to be reset because the preffs string is

different.

The only other thing I have done is clear out the version strings

that

existed in there and rebuilt the ics program version string data.

For all the rest, while you can get the slim installer now I have
portable it just works.

Things that have been changed include fixing the privacy setting
issues with extra info added for that option including more
datashheets for it.

The adjusting of the monitering so it says smart cleaning

instead to

explain what it does.

If you turn off smart cleaning ccleaner shouldn't stay loaded at
startup anymore.

There is supposed to be a checkbox revamp and some more

descriptions

but I have yet to see any change, and to be honest now that I

can use

portable easily enough I don't know if I will ever go back to
installed ever again.





.

.

I do often think that one of the perennial problems for programmers is that of making an optimised version for all situations.
I do agree that browsers like the New Firefox is, in my view a backward step in accessibility, and also nvda though faster in it now than it was is also less fast on older browsers, not all but some.
Only the programmers might know why, but I suspect that decisions have to be made about what version of code is used for a given situation, and here it might be that things get slowed down.


I think it perfectly fair comment if you have limited access to modern versions of Windows, that when you find a working version of NVDA that you stay with it. After all I do still have some XP machines running the older versions and they are quite happy and why worry?


The fact is, time and tech do move on and so making something work is a constant catch up game, since we effectively get a complete new windows every half year, which personally I find ridiculous , but that is a whole other discussion for another place. Myself, just as with XP if it continues to suit my needs and does not die, I shall be using windows 7 until forced to change for my main machine for my charity work as it is after all the years of updates much more reliable than a brand new version of windows 10 every six months can ever be.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE

hi.
i always follow new features, changes and bug fixes in different
versions of nvda.
i believe nvda since its version 2017.3 and later, has focus on
improving windows ten support, microsoft edge, braille and quantum
versions of firefox which i dont need any of them.
i wished to use 2017.2 which has some important features for me, but
unfortunately it is slow in web browsers, and even two or three times
made my keyboard and explorer unusable and made me to forceably
shutdown my system using power key!
the only version that sutes my needs and i did not experience such
problems on it, both using windows xp (my favorite windows version
forever) and even testing with windows seven, is nvda version 2017.1.

i realy love it, very fast and responsive, without hang or making
keyboard and system unusable and i wish and decided to keep and use
nvda 2017.1 forever by the grace of God!

On 9/1/18, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness@...> wrote:

thanks joseph

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joseph Lee
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 11:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE


  Hi,

  Gene is correct, although I should emphasize that 2018.3 (at least in beta
form) will bring more than improved support for Windows 10. Some of the
other features include automatic braille display detection, announcing
grammar errors in Chrome if exposed by web authors, support for BrailleNote
QT (my work), improved list of languages in NVDA's general settings panel,
and a whole bunch of changes for developers.

  Cheers,

  Joseph



  From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
  Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 8:07 AM
  To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE



  Do you have service pack 1 installed on the Windows machine?  that is
necessary.  As far as I know, NVDA still supports machines withService Pack
1.



  How important is it for you to run a current version.  While I don't
follow what's new in NVDA closely since I have no need of what has been
changed, my impression is that for awhile, most changes are to keep the
program current and improve accessibility in Windows 10. Therefore, you
might do well running the last version that doesn't require service pack 1
if you can't or don't want to upgrade the machine.



  Gene

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io

  Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 9:45 AM

  To: nvda@groups.io

  Subject: [nvda] NVDA PORTABLE



  hi all

  i have the latest NVDA as a portable version on a flash drive, when i try
to run it on a windows 7 system, it is not working

  it is saying windows 7 does not support this version

  how is this?

  thanks

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.

The problem is that the aggressive Avast people took over PiReform and I understand the old team were not particularly happy about this. In fact the malware was not bad, but I suspect was done deliberately by the disgruntled people who no doubt were getting the  chop..
It has scanned OK and now they have at least given people the ability to turn off the snooping, at least we assume they have come clean completely as obviously the free version had to be subsidised by collecting metrics from the users.

The real power bits of ccleaner for me are the ability to look at browser add ons,  and tasks and start up items and toggle them, also to see what system restore points are set and to remove old ones.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Desert Moon" <desert.moon@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner new version


Hello,

Not a big fan of products like CCleaner. In September of 2017, it was widely reported that the backdoor was being exploited to have malware implanted. And another report last December:

The actual malware detected in CCleaner was found to contain malicious code: the attackers implanted their code in a legitimate product that received a legitimate certificate.

Who knows when or if the above will happen again. Use the product at your own risk.

--
Desert






.

HI,

I hate to suggest this because I would hope that this kind of thing has been eliminated since I last did software development.

It sounds to me that what you are experiencing is like what used to happen when a program had a memory leak.  As time went by and more and more events happened memory would fill up and things would slow down.

I would expect that if this were the case many more of us would be seeing this behavior too but so far it doesn't sound like there are very many.

Is this possible?

Another thought is that have you checked to make sure the virtual storage setting is high enough on your system?  This used to happen if virtual storage was set too low.  Sorry, it has been too long since I last worked with virtual storage and I can't seem to find where this setting is on Windows 10.  Maybe someone else on here can suggest how to find it.

I hope this helps.

Dan Beaver

On 9/2/2018 2:02 PM, Kwork wrote:

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis

Since asking this on the Windows 10 list, it was also suggested that I ask more NVDA users here, so am copying below the message I sent to the other list with an additional NVDA question.


First of all, I'm still getting used to the idea that File Explore now uses ribbons rather than the menus on my former Windows 7 installation.

What's bothering me more is the sluggishness when moving around through files and folders. There seems to be between a quarter and a half second delay after each press of the arrow and enter keys. Same with the backspace.

First question: is there a way to toggle between folders and ribbons, or am I stuck? I'm guessing the answer to be stuck.

Next, is there a way to speed up movement through navigating files and folders? As far as I can tell, I have all visuals and animations turned off. The sluggishness remains, and increases over time. Starting and stopping the "Windows Explorer" process in Task Manager seems to make things less slow, but still not normal for a few minutes, then things get more and more sluggish again.

In addition, is there anything in NVDA that I can check to see if it would help in the new sluggishness? I just miss the snappiness I had in Windows 7.


If anyone knows what I can do, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Travis

Do you know what is updating after you say yes?  People have given suggestions.  If they don't work, whatever is presenting the question may be inaccessible and I don't know if there is anything, other than the app itself correcting the problem, that can be done. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: P. Otter

Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 1:48 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?

hello, I have tried both tips that I have received in the forum.
so nvda key plus b and windows key plus m and then tab, unfortunately
both tips do not work.
in this case it was skype, it was mentioned that it was an app with a
microsoft approval.
but the name of the app remained hidden.
does anyone have another idea?
Or would it be an idea to build in a key combination here in nvda?

I think it's important to know what app or programm will update.
I want to know the name before I say yes or no.
cheers
paul otter

Op 1-9-2018 om 19:25 schreef Chris G:
> For what it is worth, Narrator in Internet Explorer or ChromeVox in
> Chrome doesn't read them either when tabbing.
> In Narrator, you can do a caps-left arrow to read it, then a caps-right
> arrow to move back to the edit field. You can do the same ChromeVox
> equivalent command to get the info.
>
> This is under Windows 10 1803.
>
> Freedom may have worked some magic on their end to deal with these types
> of controls.
> Also if the site in question is relying on other libraries or plugins to
> function, an upgrade from the third party may have changed something
> that causes them not to read.  It is hard to know.
>
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> On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:22:04 -0500
> "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:
>
>> I need to make a correction.  I just checked and, for some reason, I was wrong about Chrome.  When tabbing through the fields, it doesn't see the text associated with the fields using NVDA either.  So the question is, why does JAWS see it and NVDA not and how common is this discrepancy on other sites.  Is this very rare or does it occur often enough to be addressed by the developers?
>>
>> Also, I didn't express myself with proper clarity in the quoted message below.  I'm therefore rewriting certain passages to make them properly clear. If anyone was uncertain what I was saying, here is the more clear version.  The message appears below my signature.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Gene
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:43 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?
>>
>>
>> The link is:
>> https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/My_Account
>> I tried the site with Firefox and it didn't read the fiels correctly with NVDA.  It does with JAWS.  It is now, in my opinion a question for NVDA developers to look at.  is this an NVDA problem or a site problem?  Does this affect enough sites to be worked on or is the number so very small that the correction, if there is one, isn't justified?
>>
>> Also, this form illustrates the reason people should be taught to down arrow rather than tab through forms in general.  Consider the following quote from the form we are discussing:
>> Password (must be at least 6 characters and contain at least 1 number):
>>  
>> JAWS sees the word "password" but the explanatory text about what the password must contain is not read when tabbing.  That is important information and a lot of people won't sign up successfully without seeing it.  They won't include a number or it will be too short.
>>
>> There are a lot of sites that have information that may be important between fields that is not read when tabbing.  Again, another example of poor Internet instruction.  There are forms where I know, as an experienced user, that I don't have to worry about missing possible information between the fields.  But what about all the inexperienced users?  What about people who fill out a form, don't know the importance of down arrowing instead of tabbing through a form, and don't understand why the form is not being accepted?  Had they down arrowed and seen information about the syntax to use in a field, they'd know.
>>
>> Experienced users may want to tab through unfamiliar forms but they may have problems as a result.  the best way to deal with a form is to down arrow through it and certainly, inexperienced users should do so as a matter of routine.  And, of course, anyone should try down arrowing through a form if information isn't read that is necessary while tabbing.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:06 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?
>>
>>
>> Hi, I had little luck with Jaws either on that web site. i still could not
>> read what the fields were withoug messing about with different modes etc.
>> Not sure what is going on and to be honest if its that hard to use it, then
>> goodbye.
>>   I do worry though that we may be looking at different forms. If somebody
>> wishes to actually post a direct link to the sign up page, I'm happy to try
>> it directly.
>>   Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
>> <bglists@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] who knows this?
>>
>>
>>> I would say no then, and see if you can find out
>>>
>>> What happen with nvda b when the message pops up, Unfortunately some
>>> programs tend to put text in as a graphic, so then you have a problem.
>>> I assume you used screen navigation to get out of the yes no buttons and
>>> see if there is any text there?
>>> Brian
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: [nvda] who knows this?
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello friends from nvda,
>>>> I have a fairly simple question, sometimes there is a choice in windows
>>>> because of an update for example.
>>>> I can now choose yes, install or no, do not install.
>>>> I just can not manage to read the question that I have to say yes or no
>>>> to.
>>>> not even with the numeric keypad.
>>>> not even with nvda-key plus 7
>>>> who knows what to do?
>>>> thanks in advance!
>>>> paul otter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sirajudin Sulaiman
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 6:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] make nvda read blues tacks

hi i am sirajudin from maalaysia can i ask nvda developper to make NVDA read blues tacks acualyat sine in screen!  i hope can? smile!