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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA
Cdbxp has a slim installer, without opencandy, so I can install and use it.
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Its not updated much but yeah, it works. Thats why cdex and dvdvideosoft are on my bad books. On 9/3/2018 9:32 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA
True but something like tuneup tends to mangle windows.
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Its why I have tried to avoid so called bundled software. On 9/3/2018 9:18 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the CCleaner mash up. |
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useing the o c r adon on windows7, is it possable?
Adel Spence
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Multi language support
Cristóbal
Hello list, I’m mainly a Jaws user, but fall back on NVDA for this or that reason from time to time. I’m therefore not as well versed in some aspects of the screen reader. I am thus unfamiliar with NVDA multilanguage support. In my case, it would be American English and Mexican/Latin American Spanish from German from time to time. Where or how does one go about enabling language switching in NVDA? Be it on the fly or to create different voice profiles and whatnot?
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Re: Ribbon disabler and more.
Gene's tutorial on ribbons is excellent.
I'm just tossing mine out there because in this case, more (and a bit different) is probably better: -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: Ribbon disabler and more.
Gene
Thank you. I hope many people find it
useful.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: Jean Menzies
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ribbon disabler and more. Thanks, Gene. This ribbon tutorial was excellent.
Jean with a J
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ribbon disabler and more. For those who haven't gotten good instruction or
instructional material about ribbons, here is a tutorial, not very long, to read
and practice with if you wish. Don't believe all the negative comments
about ribbons until you try working with them yourself. A lot of the
negative comments, perhaps most, are the result of people not getting good
instruction or good instructional material.
Under my signature is the tutorial. I don't
have Windows 10 so I don't discuss the ribbons there but ribbons are ribbons
just as menus are menus. Once you learn to use ribbons, you can use them
anywhere.
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial
based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.
I've added a little to it
here.
I don't know how the
organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should
allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how
things are organized.
First, I'll discuss a structure
found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split
button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example. Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. So, let's review. You find
a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will
shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you
down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with
both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do
so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know
which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the
screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If
you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to
the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button
to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down
the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a
structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't
know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more
options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split
button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction
to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more
options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it. Now, to ribbons
themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the
complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how
to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would
strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS
training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily
dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using
them which I won't go into here.
Try looking at ribbons and doing
what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on
their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice
working with ribbons.
The essence of working with
ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so
we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to
where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again,
if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want.
Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.
Stop on view. Then start
tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower
ribbon that are in the view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see
the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through
the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Many items in the lower ribbon
are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You
may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you
will then be in a menu.
Each time you move to an item,
you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert. Try tabbing to an item in a
Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some
extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut
sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often
as you want.
Let's look at an item which is
usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in
wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if
necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with
alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu,
let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab
through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o,
control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work. |
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Re: Ribbon disabler and more.
Jean Menzies <jemenzies@...>
Thanks, Gene. This ribbon tutorial was excellent.
Jean with a J
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ribbon disabler and more. For those who haven't gotten good instruction or
instructional material about ribbons, here is a tutorial, not very long, to read
and practice with if you wish. Don't believe all the negative comments
about ribbons until you try working with them yourself. A lot of the
negative comments, perhaps most, are the result of people not getting good
instruction or good instructional material.
Under my signature is the tutorial. I don't
have Windows 10 so I don't discuss the ribbons there but ribbons are ribbons
just as menus are menus. Once you learn to use ribbons, you can use them
anywhere.
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial
based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.
I've added a little to it
here.
I don't know how the
organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should
allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how
things are organized.
First, I'll discuss a structure
found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split
button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example. Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. So, let's review. You find
a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will
shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you
down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with
both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do
so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know
which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the
screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If
you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to
the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button
to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down
the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a
structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't
know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more
options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split
button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction
to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more
options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it. Now, to ribbons
themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the
complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how
to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would
strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS
training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily
dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using
them which I won't go into here.
Try looking at ribbons and doing
what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on
their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice
working with ribbons.
The essence of working with
ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so
we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to
where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again,
if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want.
Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.
Stop on view. Then start
tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower
ribbon that are in the view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see
the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through
the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Many items in the lower ribbon
are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You
may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you
will then be in a menu.
Each time you move to an item,
you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert. Try tabbing to an item in a
Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some
extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut
sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often
as you want.
Let's look at an item which is
usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in
wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if
necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with
alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu,
let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab
through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o,
control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work. |
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
mikolaj holysz <miki123211@...>
There are a couple ways:
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1. VOIP. Someone mentioned callcentric, but I think you should look for something that works with your country so texting numbers in your country is cheap. This is very country-specific, so you won't be able to get much help here, googling and trying to figure it out on your own is your best bed. Those solutions are usually paid (cheap, but a credit card / paypal / whatever is usually a requirement). 2. E-mail gateways: This has been suggested before but yes, gateways for services outside the US exist. This is, as well, very country specific, but Googling should help in this case too. Try Googling country find carrier of a phone number (or something similar in your language). That will let you determine where the phone number you're trying to text is. Those services aren't 100% reliable, if it's possible to move numbers between carriers and you're trying to text a number that has been moved, it may guess the old carrier. It usually uses numbering classes to guess. Numbering classes are ranges of phone numbers assigned to your carrier for use by your country's phone authority. After figuring out the carrier, try Googling carrier name email to sms gateway. You should find a domain that you send emails to, the address should usually look like number@domain. Those exist for most (though not all carriers). If the carrier is aMVNO (a small carrier), try Googling the carrier along with a keyword like infrastructure to figure out whose infrastructure it uses. Building mobile infrastructure is very costly, so small carriers usually use the infrastructure of bigger carriers, so it's usually possible to use their gateways. For example, the scenario may look like this: 1. you have a number 123 456 7890 and you know it's an Australian number. 2. You try Googling "find carrier of phone number Australia" and find a website. 3. You enter that number and figure out it's owned by SomeLittleCarrier. 4. You try SomeLittleCarrier sms gateway but you figure out that that carrier doesn't have a gateway. 5. You find out what infrastructure the carrier is using, it turns out they're using the infrastructure of aVeryBigCarrier. 6. You look for aVeryBigCarrier's gateway on Google and find out that their domain is gateway.averybigcarrier.au 7. You send an meail to 1234567890@... and the person gets your text. Beware that the texts you send that way include your email address and don't come from your phone number. It's usually hard/impossible to reply to them. Some carriers provide sms to email gateways too, again, Google is your friend. 3. Windows and Android. If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Those texts will then go through your phone and will be automatically send to wherever you wanted them to go. The recipient will not know that you've sent them from your computer, as they will come from your phone number. Normal fees for texting will apply, as it will be your phone sending the texts, your computer will only tell it what to send. Of course for that to work, your phone needs to be connected to the Internet. The apps to do this are usually not very accessible but there's a really good solution called GTalk SMS. It's a bit hard to set up but if you / someone else needs assistance, reach me by email privately and I can provide help. 4. Connecting your phone to your computer. There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. I haven't tried the Bluetooth Keyboard part yet but I may if there's interest. That's the only solution that might work with the iPhone. If you have an iPhone and want to send texts via an app, not by emulating a bt keyboard on your computer, and also want the texts to come from your number, you will need to get a mac. I hope that answered all questions you might've had. W dniu 2018-08-30 o 15:33, Dan Beaver pisze: Hi, |
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Re: Ribbon disabler and more.
Gene
For those who haven't gotten good instruction or
instructional material about ribbons, here is a tutorial, not very long, to read
and practice with if you wish. Don't believe all the negative comments
about ribbons until you try working with them yourself. A lot of the
negative comments, perhaps most, are the result of people not getting good
instruction or good instructional material.
Under my signature is the tutorial. I don't
have Windows 10 so I don't discuss the ribbons there but ribbons are ribbons
just as menus are menus. Once you learn to use ribbons, you can use them
anywhere.
Gene
I'll provide a brief tutorial
based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.
I've added a little to it
here.
I don't know how the
organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should
allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how
things are organized.
First, I'll discuss a structure
found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split
button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example. Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus. So, let's review. You find
a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will
shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you
down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with
both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do
so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know
which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the
screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If
you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to
the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button
to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down
the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a
structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't
know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more
options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split
button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction
to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more
options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it. Now, to ribbons
themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the
complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how
to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would
strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS
training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily
dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using
them which I won't go into here.
Try looking at ribbons and doing
what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on
their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice
working with ribbons.
The essence of working with
ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so
we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to
where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again,
if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want.
Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.
Stop on view. Then start
tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower
ribbon that are in the view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see
the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through
the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Many items in the lower ribbon
are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You
may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you
will then be in a menu.
Each time you move to an item,
you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert. Try tabbing to an item in a
Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some
extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut
sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often
as you want.
Let's look at an item which is
usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in
wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if
necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with
alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu. Now the we have seen the menu,
let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu. You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow. Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon. there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly. As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through. Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view. Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back. Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab
through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category. Commands such as control o,
control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work. |
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Ribbon disabler and more.
Brian's Mail list account
Disable ribbon menu in windows 10 and lots of other goodies etc.;
https://winaero.com/; This web site has a stand alone menu changer and also a more elaborate toolkit and many interesting articles about computers and android phones etc; the ribbon disabler is near the bottom as I recall; but be aware as always; you can cause havoc by doing stuff with the registry of windows!; Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. |
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NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Jason White
After using System Information on Windows 10 1803 (all up to date), and closing the application with Alt+F4, I experienced a hang in NVDA 2018.3 beta 3.
The log file in my local temporary directory contains the following. Please let me know whether further details are desired, or whether it has been or should be taken up in GitHub.
WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:47:55.289): Core frozen in stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module> File "core.pyo", line 495, in main File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify File "core.pyo", line 466, in run File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 954, in findGroupboxObject File "winUser.pyo", line 430, in getClassName
WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:48:10.339): Core frozen in stack: File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module> File "core.pyo", line 495, in main File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify File "core.pyo", line 466, in run File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__ File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 945, in findGroupboxObject File "winUser.pyo", line 429, in getClassName
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Re: A bug to repport: NVDA works harder in Windows Explorer for some users.
Hello Jene! As I said in my previews message, I don't know what version of Windows is being used by the second user. I'll let you know when I'll find out.
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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA
Gene
The don't install option for unwanted programs
isn't accessible. If you use the portable version, unwanted programs won't
be installed.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA You do have to be careful with that installer though. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood Sent: September 3, 2018 5:32 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA Hi, Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken... Cheers, Damien. On 03/09/2018 10:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: > Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, > and even if you do not use unchecky, you will find that any other > thing it installs will be easy to remove. Its not as annoying as the > CCleaner mash up. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" > <sm.everiss@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA > > >> Well you will need to use the installer without opencandy forgot >> where you get that but yeah its good. >> >> >> >> On 9/3/2018 4:00 AM, Damien Garwood wrote: >>> Hi, >>> There is another one which I use called CDBurnerXP (www.cdburnerxp.se). >>> Cheers, >>> Damien. >>> >>> On 02/09/2018 04:54 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: >>>> I use a program called anyburn and it's fairly easy to work with. >>>> Anyburn is free and you can get it from www.anyburn.com. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Rosemarie >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >>>> Arnþór Helgason >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:09 AM >>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>> Subject: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA >>>> >>>> I have had constant problams with burning cd-disks since Windows 2010. >>>> I seem to be able to copy files to the entitle place but the >>>> burning doesn't start. >>>> Any advices? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Arnthor Helgason >>>> arnthor.helgason@... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > |
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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
I still use Cdex on Windows 10 and like it. Lots of nice options, and easy, one-key ripping.
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You do have to be careful with that installer though. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood Sent: September 3, 2018 5:32 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Burning cd-disks using NVDA Hi, Wow. CDBXP? OpenCandy? Never thought the two would ever be said together in the same sentence. Real shame. Just goes to reinforce why I always prefer portables over installers these days, if even once-reputable devs can start shipping garbage like that. Then again, look at the downhill plummet that CDex has taken... Cheers, Damien. On 03/09/2018 10:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Actually more recent versions of the opencandy are not too bad at all, |
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Re: kody
where can I get 16 version at?
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On 9/3/2018 2:09 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
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Re: Future of speech synth add ons
Rui Fontes
There are no free version of Vocalizer...
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You have to buy it from Tiflotecnia or CodeFactory... Regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 16:45 de 03/09/2018, Michael Munn escreveu: Where to get the free add on for Vocalizer Voice for NVDA? I'm currently using Eloquence with my NVDA Screen Reader. |
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Re: Future of speech synth add ons
Michael Munn
Where to get the free add on for Vocalizer Voice for NVDA? I'm currently using Eloquence with my NVDA Screen Reader. I do like the human sounding speech such as Samantha and Tom. I just can't find them for free anywhere. If you can please post the link here I would very appreciate it. Thanks and Have a nice day. Best regards Michael Munn |
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New IRC Client for NVDA.
I wanted to share this accessible IRC client fork for windows. I am sure the developer would really really like some help with this. I have no clue if it is open source, the NVDA fork, but I included both links below. The second link is to the initial client which is not very accessible as of yet. The initial client looks to be abandoned? I thought devs and add on peeps would like the below.
https://github.com/fastfinge/adispeak https://github.com/AdiIRC |
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Re: Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness
Jason White
I just tried it here. Reading through a list of files is very responsive, but after pressing the delete key to remove a file from a directory containing over 200 files, NVDA is very slow to respond when I continue moving through the file list with up/down arrow keys.
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Is this similar to what others are encountering? Also, I've never had any problem with ribbons, so I think the claim that they're less intuitive for users who are blind very much depends on the individual. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 5:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness Can you use 10 windows explorer with a portable copy of nvda? I've never used Jaws with 10, so cannot say about its foibles. However in addition to the UIA buffering issue, there are the perennial processor idling speed problems plus the windows indexing of open folders that seems a bit slower than in 7, which itself was slow in 7 as well, and any kind of other fancy animations running like sliding, fading and all of that to consider. In the case of ribbons, yes there is a ribbon remover program for 10, but every time windows does a major update it will need to be run again. It also does not totally emulate windows 7, some of the options seem not to be there. If you look up ribbon remover you should find it. I just wish Microsoft would make the menu type a choice as it clearly is more intuitive for sighted users, but not for view restricted blind ones. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Moore" <angelgirl52376@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 1803 and file explorer sluggishness what I do, when NVDA doesn't read the list of folders or files in File |
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Re: Future of speech synth add ons
Rui Fontes
Hello!
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We do not plan to charge an upgrade fee to the new version of Vocalizer... When it will be released all owners of version 3 of Vocalizer will be able to install and run version 4 for free... Best regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 04:04 de 26/08/2018, Luis Carlos Gonzáles Moráles escreveu: I hope they can update Tiflotecnia's Vocalizer for NVDA to the new Vocalizer Expressive version by Nuance, if that's the case, I'm going to purchase a new lisence for the version. I shurely have the contact of Tiflotecnia's administrator, but I still want some updates, since the last was in 2013, I think. |
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