Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Don H
Just tried to duplicate this. Indeed after closing the system
information with alt f4 it seems that NVDA goes silent. after the
alt f4 is pressed Nvda says unknown. Sighted help says I am back
to the desktop and nothing is shown besides my normal desktop.
However if you hit windows key m speech returns. Seems that
something is open that is minimized by windows key m.
On 9/3/2018 7:56 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Jason White
Thanks – I’ll try to reproduce and to capture debug-level logs.
At this point, unfortunately, it will probably have to be tomorrow.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Jason,
It isn't reproducing for me, although I'm using a fast insider build of Windows here.
Two things to try:
- Particularly if the crash doesn't happen with add-ons disabled, make sure you are using the most up to date version of all your addons. There is also an addon to check that: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html
In any case, if you could send me a copy of your full NVDA log, ideally at log level debug, I can have a closer look at what is happening.
Quentin.
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Re: useing the o c r adon on windows7, is it possable?
Adel Spence
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thankyou.
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Quentin Christensen
Takuya, Do you have any (other) addons installed, and if so, have you tried restarting with add-ons disabled? If so, have you checked that you are using the most up to date version of any addons? And finally, just to check, does this happen immediately after updating either NVDA or Windows, and if so, does it persist after rebooting the computer? If you also could send me a copy of your full log, ideally at Debug level, I can have a look as well. I forgot to mention previously, but more information on the log is available at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: useing the o c r adon on windows7, is it possable?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Adel, Yes you should be able to use the OCR addon in Windows 7. You can either get it by going to the NVDA menu, then tools then Manage add-ons then the "Get add-ons" button, or from: https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html The OCR add-on is available from this page: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html Essentially, once setup, move to the image or PDF file (open the PDF file in Adobe reader), etc, then press NVDA+r. From there use the review cursor to read or copy the text which was found and press escape when done. All the review cursor keyboard shortcuts are available from the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReviewingText Alternatively they are in the Basic Training for NVDA module, which also has in-depth step by step activities to help you get familiar with them (not directly with OCR though). The good news is that the section on the review cursor is in the free sample available from: (Electronic text, the sample is a web page link): https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (Audio, the sample is a single MP3 which will play in your browser or you can download it. The full course is completely marked up with DAISY): https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-downloadable-audio/ Regards Quentin.
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Re: Multi language support
Quentin Christensen
Hi Cristóbal, In NVDA's voice / speech settings (press NVDA+control+v to open directly or from the NVDA menu, then preferences, then settings, then speech) are options for language. After selecting the synthesizer to use, you can choose the voice and possibly variant. Different synths work differently - some use voice and variant, some only have voice, some have different languages (or really it's how different sounds are pronounced so that it sounds correct in the particular language). There are also options for automatic language and dialect switching when supported. If a web page or document etc is setup correctly, it will identify what language it is written in, and in that case, NVDA is able to switch to the correct language automatically. Otherwise, you can use configuration profiles to switch languages, and you can either have it setup so that it switches based on the program in use, or manually. There is some information on configuration profiles in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ConfigurationProfiles Alternatively, it is covered in detail in the Basic Training for NVDA module, available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Kind regards Quentin
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Re: NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
Lino Morales
David. You posted about this when was it last week? I don’t understand what your problem was. The only problem I’v had with Mail is when I reply to a message NVDA doesn’t read out what I’m typing. When I read messages I just simply use say all with NVDA plus down arrow.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:32:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app! Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
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NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
David Moore
Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Takuya Nishimoto
I have reported regarding similar issue.
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https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8434 It was difficult to reproduce on other machines than the specific environment. -- Takuya Nishimoto nishimotz@gmail.com 2018年9月4日(火) 4:08 Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>:
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Quentin Christensen
Hi Jason, It isn't reproducing for me, although I'm using a fast insider build of Windows here. Two things to try: - If you restart NVDA with add-ons disabled (press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "restart with addons disabled" and press ENTER), does it still happen? - Particularly if the crash doesn't happen with add-ons disabled, make sure you are using the most up to date version of all your addons. There is also an addon to check that: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html In any case, if you could send me a copy of your full NVDA log, ideally at log level debug, I can have a closer look at what is happening. Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: NVDA and Skype Accessability
Inam Uddin
Respected friend, I’m very sorry to let you know that there was no any kind of JAWS update came out on September second 2018. The last JAWS update came out on August 21 2018. Do you mean that one? With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
You can contact me via gmail: outlook: yahoo: Add my Skype ID: Follow me on my twitter ID: Call me on my cell numbers: +92-334-3348409
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 3:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability
I am aware that just yesterday a Jaws update came down with an update for the new Skype for that screenreader, but Not sure what windows 7 does about Skype as I've not been a fan of it for some time as every time microsoft change it they break its accessibility. I'd expect more from them considering the work they are putting into narrator on 10. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karmelo" <karm212@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2018 9:51 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability
Hi all,
I am a new member of this list from Malta Europe. I have Windows 7 and had to upgrade to the latest version of Skype 8.22. I would like to ask whether there is an addon from NVDA which makes the ap accessible.
Thank you very much, Charles
Charles Borg Sliema, Malta E: karm212@...
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Re: NVDA and Skype Accessability
Inam Uddin
Yes dear, there is an addon of NVDA for Skype 8 is available. Please visit: With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
You can contact me via gmail: outlook: yahoo: Add my Skype ID: Follow me on my twitter ID: Call me on my cell numbers: +92-334-3348409
From: Karmelo
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 4:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Skype Accessability
Hi all,
I am a new member of this list from Malta Europe. I have Windows 7 and had to upgrade to the latest version of Skype 8.22. I would like to ask whether there is an addon from NVDA which makes the ap accessible.
Thank you very much, Charles
Charles Borg Sliema, Malta E: karm212@...
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Craig
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In the past I have used smsit which I found very accessible and had no problems with it but haven't used it for about a year now. Cheers C
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aman Singer Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2018 8:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA Hi, First, thank you for an excellent message and explanation below. I will keep the link to it as a description of the best methods of sending SMS from Windows. Your effort is appreciated. Permit me to add a few things to what you say below, You write: If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Besides the program you mention, there is PulseSMS http://www.pulsesms.com which I use, and https://messages.android.com/ I have heard good things about Android messages but cannot verify, from personal experience, that it is accessible. Pulse SMS is accessible through its web site though not through its windows program. The Android app is accessible with Talkback. You write: There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. There are also keyboards, most popularly from Logitech, which connect to multiple devices. That is, you can have your keyboard connect to your PC and, with a key press, have that same keyboard connect to your phone. These include the k380, k480, k810 and k811 from Logitech, among others. If you have speech or braille access to your phone, you can use these boards to send SMS messages without needing to take your hands off the board or connect your computer or phone in any way. I quite realize that this isn't using Windows to send the SMS, but it may resolve the problem people are trying to solve by allowing them to use the same control device they use for their Windows machine. Aman ,From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA There are a couple ways: 1. VOIP. Someone mentioned callcentric, but I think you should look for something that works with your country so texting numbers in your country is cheap. This is very country-specific, so you won't be able to get much help here, googling and trying to figure it out on your own is your best bed. Those solutions are usually paid (cheap, but a credit card / paypal / whatever is usually a requirement). 2. E-mail gateways: This has been suggested before but yes, gateways for services outside the US exist. This is, as well, very country specific, but Googling should help in this case too. Try Googling country find carrier of a phone number (or something similar in your language). That will let you determine where the phone number you're trying to text is. Those services aren't 100% reliable, if it's possible to move numbers between carriers and you're trying to text a number that has been moved, it may guess the old carrier. It usually uses numbering classes to guess. Numbering classes are ranges of phone numbers assigned to your carrier for use by your country's phone authority. After figuring out the carrier, try Googling carrier name email to sms gateway. You should find a domain that you send emails to, the address should usually look like number@domain. Those exist for most (though not all carriers). If the carrier is aMVNO (a small carrier), try Googling the carrier along with a keyword like infrastructure to figure out whose infrastructure it uses. Building mobile infrastructure is very costly, so small carriers usually use the infrastructure of bigger carriers, so it's usually possible to use their gateways. For example, the scenario may look like this: 1. you have a number 123 456 7890 and you know it's an Australian number. 2. You try Googling "find carrier of phone number Australia" and find a website. 3. You enter that number and figure out it's owned by SomeLittleCarrier. 4. You try SomeLittleCarrier sms gateway but you figure out that that carrier doesn't have a gateway. 5. You find out what infrastructure the carrier is using, it turns out they're using the infrastructure of aVeryBigCarrier. 6. You look for aVeryBigCarrier's gateway on Google and find out that their domain is gateway.averybigcarrier.au 7. You send an meail to 1234567890@gateway.averybigcarrier.au and the person gets your text. Beware that the texts you send that way include your email address and don't come from your phone number. It's usually hard/impossible to reply to them. Some carriers provide sms to email gateways too, again, Google is your friend. 3. Windows and Android. If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Those texts will then go through your phone and will be automatically send to wherever you wanted them to go. The recipient will not know that you've sent them from your computer, as they will come from your phone number. Normal fees for texting will apply, as it will be your phone sending the texts, your computer will only tell it what to send. Of course for that to work, your phone needs to be connected to the Internet. The apps to do this are usually not very accessible but there's a really good solution called GTalk SMS. It's a bit hard to set up but if you / someone else needs assistance, reach me by email privately and I can provide help. 4. Connecting your phone to your computer. There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. I haven't tried the Bluetooth Keyboard part yet but I may if there's interest. That's the only solution that might work with the iPhone. If you have an iPhone and want to send texts via an app, not by emulating a bt keyboard on your computer, and also want the texts to come from your number, you will need to get a mac. I hope that answered all questions you might've had. W dniu 2018-08-30 o 15:33, Dan Beaver pisze: Hi,
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Aman Singer
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The problem came in version 2.x of the Pulse program for Windows. I reported it to the author https://github.com/klinker-apps/messenger-issues/issues/644 and was told that nothing would be done though he seemingly understood the issue. Aman
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 7:23 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA Hi Aman, It has been a while since I used pulse, so things very well may have changed. I recall only doing it once, so yes, now that you have to do it repeatedly, I would say stick with the chrome extension or app, whatever they are calling it these days. I'd be curious how android messages works, too. On 03-Sep-2018 7:20 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi Tyler,
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Tyler Wood
Hi Aman,
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It has been a while since I used pulse, so things very well may have changed. I recall only doing it once, so yes, now that you have to do it repeatedly, I would say stick with the chrome extension or app, whatever they are calling it these days. I'd be curious how android messages works, too.
On 03-Sep-2018 7:20 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
Hi Tyler,
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Aman Singer
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If I may ask, do you recall what you did the first time to make the newest version of pulse accessible? I was able to get into the web container with the simulated mouse click, but whenever I had to close the window, I would have to take the same steps again once I reopened it. That is, whenever I got or wanted to send a text message, I would have to object nav, activate an object inside the window, possibly click inside the window, and finally read and write the messages. I don't think this accessible, it takes too long to take these steps every time, though it is not a problem to do it once. How did you manage to make it keep working after the first time? BTW, just to correct something, the site I gave out for Pulsesms was wrong. I gave pulsesms.com. The actual site is http://pulsesms.app Aman
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tyler Wood Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 7:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA Hi, The windows program of Pulse SMS is accessible over here with NVDA. It opens in a web looking container which can be opened from the desktop. It also provides notifications in the notification center for texts received. I believe it required a bit of fiddling with object nav the first go round as well as a simulated mouse click with capslock enter. Hope that helps! On 03-Sep-2018 6:57 PM, Aman Singer wrote: Hi,
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Tyler Wood
Hi,
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The windows program of Pulse SMS is accessible over here with NVDA. It opens in a web looking container which can be opened from the desktop. It also provides notifications in the notification center for texts received. I believe it required a bit of fiddling with object nav the first go round as well as a simulated mouse click with capslock enter. Hope that helps!
On 03-Sep-2018 6:57 PM, Aman Singer wrote:
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Re: accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA
Aman Singer
Hi,
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First, thank you for an excellent message and explanation below. I will keep the link to it as a description of the best methods of sending SMS from Windows. Your effort is appreciated. Permit me to add a few things to what you say below, You write: If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Besides the program you mention, there is PulseSMS http://www.pulsesms.com which I use, and https://messages.android.com/ I have heard good things about Android messages but cannot verify, from personal experience, that it is accessible. Pulse SMS is accessible through its web site though not through its windows program. The Android app is accessible with Talkback. You write: There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. There are also keyboards, most popularly from Logitech, which connect to multiple devices. That is, you can have your keyboard connect to your PC and, with a key press, have that same keyboard connect to your phone. These include the k380, k480, k810 and k811 from Logitech, among others. If you have speech or braille access to your phone, you can use these boards to send SMS messages without needing to take your hands off the board or connect your computer or phone in any way. I quite realize that this isn't using Windows to send the SMS, but it may resolve the problem people are trying to solve by allowing them to use the same control device they use for their Windows machine. Aman ,From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mikolaj holysz Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible sms texting from windows with NVDA There are a couple ways: 1. VOIP. Someone mentioned callcentric, but I think you should look for something that works with your country so texting numbers in your country is cheap. This is very country-specific, so you won't be able to get much help here, googling and trying to figure it out on your own is your best bed. Those solutions are usually paid (cheap, but a credit card / paypal / whatever is usually a requirement). 2. E-mail gateways: This has been suggested before but yes, gateways for services outside the US exist. This is, as well, very country specific, but Googling should help in this case too. Try Googling country find carrier of a phone number (or something similar in your language). That will let you determine where the phone number you're trying to text is. Those services aren't 100% reliable, if it's possible to move numbers between carriers and you're trying to text a number that has been moved, it may guess the old carrier. It usually uses numbering classes to guess. Numbering classes are ranges of phone numbers assigned to your carrier for use by your country's phone authority. After figuring out the carrier, try Googling carrier name email to sms gateway. You should find a domain that you send emails to, the address should usually look like number@domain. Those exist for most (though not all carriers). If the carrier is aMVNO (a small carrier), try Googling the carrier along with a keyword like infrastructure to figure out whose infrastructure it uses. Building mobile infrastructure is very costly, so small carriers usually use the infrastructure of bigger carriers, so it's usually possible to use their gateways. For example, the scenario may look like this: 1. you have a number 123 456 7890 and you know it's an Australian number. 2. You try Googling "find carrier of phone number Australia" and find a website. 3. You enter that number and figure out it's owned by SomeLittleCarrier. 4. You try SomeLittleCarrier sms gateway but you figure out that that carrier doesn't have a gateway. 5. You find out what infrastructure the carrier is using, it turns out they're using the infrastructure of aVeryBigCarrier. 6. You look for aVeryBigCarrier's gateway on Google and find out that their domain is gateway.averybigcarrier.au 7. You send an meail to 1234567890@gateway.averybigcarrier.au and the person gets your text. Beware that the texts you send that way include your email address and don't come from your phone number. It's usually hard/impossible to reply to them. Some carriers provide sms to email gateways too, again, Google is your friend. 3. Windows and Android. If you own an Android phone, you can connect it with your Windows computer so that you will be able to read and write texts on WIndows. Those texts will then go through your phone and will be automatically send to wherever you wanted them to go. The recipient will not know that you've sent them from your computer, as they will come from your phone number. Normal fees for texting will apply, as it will be your phone sending the texts, your computer will only tell it what to send. Of course for that to work, your phone needs to be connected to the Internet. The apps to do this are usually not very accessible but there's a really good solution called GTalk SMS. It's a bit hard to set up but if you / someone else needs assistance, reach me by email privately and I can provide help. 4. Connecting your phone to your computer. There are solutions to make your computer to act as a bluetooth speaker and keyboard. That way, you will be able to control your phone with your computer and make it sent texts or do anything else you'd like with it. I haven't tried the Bluetooth Keyboard part yet but I may if there's interest. That's the only solution that might work with the iPhone. If you have an iPhone and want to send texts via an app, not by emulating a bt keyboard on your computer, and also want the texts to come from your number, you will need to get a mac. I hope that answered all questions you might've had. W dniu 2018-08-30 o 15:33, Dan Beaver pisze:
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Re: NVDA and Skype Accessability
Well an article on the skype blog site suggests that they were going forward to fast and need to step back a bit to get a bit of a simplistic interface.
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If we can convince them to allow a classic skype interface theme and hotkeys like before I think that would at least work.
On 9/3/2018 10:58 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I am aware that just yesterday a Jaws update came down with an update for the new Skype for that screenreader, but Not sure what windows 7 does about Skype as I've not been a fan of it for some time as every time microsoft change it they break its accessibility. I'd expect more from them considering the work they are putting into narrator on 10.
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Re: Burning cd-disks using NVDA
Cdbxp has a slim installer, without opencandy, so I can install and use it.
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Its not updated much but yeah, it works. Thats why cdex and dvdvideosoft are on my bad books.
On 9/3/2018 9:32 PM, Damien Garwood wrote:
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