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OE Classic accessible spell checker
That bit about the spell checker not being available in the free version of OE classic? I get it that people hate thunderbird, but this isn't for me. I'm sticking with TB and windows mail and all of these. I'm including this here so that other people can learn what accessibility enhancements are being done. I included their email before the message, too.
phazze@gmail.com In today's update of OE Classic we've added and improved the spell checker. It is now available for Windows 7 and earlier and what is relevant for the accessibility is that it opens in a new window, like a traditional spell checker so each word which is misspelled can be reviewed. To open it you can use F7 key on the keyboard. The spell checker is the latest addition to the Pro version and will not be available in the free version (version 2.9, released on 2018-09-04). Further work on accessibility will be done as well. Also, we figured that the accelerator keys would also be useful so they can too be used to trigger the buttons such as Alt+I to press the Ignore button. We also plan spell checker as you type. Of course, the usual spell check as you type is not of much use to blind users as it underlines the misspelled words with the red color. This of course cannot be seen. But, what we plan is to add a sound notification (like a bell or another configurable sound) so when each word is misspelled as soon as you move on to the next word, the previous one will sound the notification sound. The sound will be configurable via options (or no sound, if the user doesn't prefer to have one and just wants to use the F7-key spell checker). This is not implemented yet, but we do plan it as there is a good number of users who want to spell check as they type and adding a sound at the same time when a word is marked with the red color is just a minor addition to the program so not a big deal to implement, and we can understand how that might be useful. best regards, Zvonko Tesic --------------------------------- A perfect replacement for Outlook Express and Windows (Live) Mail: www.oeclassic.com OE Classic on Facebook and Twitter: www.facebook.com/oeclassic www.twitter.com/infobytehr yEnc and multipart decoder for Outlook Express newsgroups at: www.ydecode.com ---------------------------------
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well I often see a similar effect if I close Word, but the freeze is less than five seconds normally, and yes its always been around on xp and 7. Even on fast machines so I'm thinking it might be bit of a red herring. I can look at a log and find quite a few core frozen in stack items, but often they are so fleeting that if they cause any problem, it might be no reading of a web page or no indication of where you are, ie unknown, and you can usually recover it by making things refresh.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application I'm not sure this is a problem. It is very common, when I close a program that I am not actually in any program. I may hear something when I read the title bar suchh as the name of the program I was just in or some related name. If I go to the desktop, everything is as it should be and if I alt tab around, everything is normal with no window open that shouldn't be. This is with Windows XP. I use Windows 7 but not with enough use or variety of use to say if this happens in that version. Is the original problem as I described or is it that NVDA stops speaking no matter what you do and you must close and run it again? Gene ----- Original message ----- From: Don H Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application Just tried to duplicate this. Indeed after closing the system information with alt f4 it seems that NVDA goes silent. after the alt f4 is pressed Nvda says unknown. Sighted help says I am back to the desktop and nothing is shown besides my normal desktop. However if you hit windows key m speech returns. Seems that something is open that is minimized by windows key m. On 9/3/2018 7:56 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote: Takuya, Do you have any (other) addons installed, and if so, have you tried restarting with add-ons disabled? If so, have you checked that you are using the most up to date version of any addons? And finally, just to check, does this happen immediately after updating either NVDA or Windows, and if so, does it persist after rebooting the computer? If you also could send me a copy of your full log, ideally at Debug level, I can have a look as well. I forgot to mention previously, but more information on the log is available at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps Kind regards Quentin. On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Takuya Nishimoto <nishimotz@gmail.com> wrote: I have reported regarding similar issue. https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8434 It was difficult to reproduce on other machines than the specific environment. -- Takuya Nishimoto nishimotz@gmail.com 2018年9月4日(火) 4:08 Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>: > > After using System Information on Windows 10 1803 (all up to date), and closing the application with Alt+F4, I experienced a hang in NVDA 2018.3 beta 3. > > > > The log file in my local temporary directory contains the following. Please let me know whether further details are desired, or whether it has been or should be taken up in GitHub. > > > > WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:47:55.289): > > Core frozen in stack: > > File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module> > > File "core.pyo", line 495, in main > > File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop > > File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify > > File "core.pyo", line 466, in run > > File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll > > File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus > > File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject > > File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__ > > File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache > > File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container > > File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 954, in findGroupboxObject > > File "winUser.pyo", line 430, in getClassName > > > > WARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:48:10.339): > > Core frozen in stack: > > File "nvda.pyw", line 214, in <module> > > File "core.pyo", line 495, in main > > File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop > > File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify > > File "core.pyo", line 466, in run > > File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll > > File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 147, in executeEvent > > File "eventHandler.pyo", line 160, in doPreGainFocus > > File "api.pyo", line 107, in setFocusObject > > File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__ > > File "baseObject.pyo", line 115, in _getPropertyViaCache > > File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1579, in _get_container > > File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 945, in findGroupboxObject > > File "winUser.pyo", line 429, in getClassName > > > > -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook
Christo de Klerk
Hello again To make things absolutely clear: I was referring to the status indicators spoken when you arrow up and down a list of messages in MS Outlook. Unread is currently the only one spoken, but in about May Replied and Forwarded as well as read receipts and associated drafts were also announced, at least in the snapshot I mentioned in an earlier e-mail. In fact, a friend of mine has rolled back to that snapshot because these announcements are important to him in his work.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2018/09/04 01:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
see below from Mick.
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Fw: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
See below
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From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Cc: "Brian's Mail list account BY" <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook Do they mean replied/forwarded, or unread?
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Fw: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
see below from Mick.
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From: "Michael Curran" <mick@nvaccess.org> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Fw: [nvda] NVDA recent snapshots not reading message status in Outlook Do they mean replied/forwarded, or unread?
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Re: NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
Chris
Hmm, maybe, seems better, whether that’s down to the app essentials addon or the latest mail app update, I really couldn’t say for sure where the improvement lies
From: David Moore
Sent: 04 September 2018 01:32 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Gene
I'm not sure this is a problem. It is very
common, when I close a program that I am not actually in any program. I
may hear something when I read the title bar suchh as the name of the program I
was just in or some related name. If I go to the desktop, everything is as
it should be and if I alt tab around, everything is normal with no window open
that shouldn't be. This is with Windows XP. I use Windows 7 but not
with enough use or variety of use to say if this happens in that version.
Is the original problem as I described or is it
that NVDA stops speaking no matter what you do and you must close and run it
again?
Gene
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From: Don H
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System
Information application Just tried to duplicate this. Indeed after closing the system
information with alt f4 it seems that NVDA goes silent. after the alt f4
is pressed Nvda says unknown. Sighted help says I am back to the desktop
and nothing is shown besides my normal desktop. However if you hit
windows key m speech returns. Seems that something is open that is
minimized by windows key m. On 9/3/2018 7:56 PM, Quentin Christensen
wrote:
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Re: Ribbon disabler and more.
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
I got and mastered Gene's tutorial when I first upgraded to windows 7 back in 2011. The material still applies in windows 10.
George
On 9/3/2018 3:47 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Quentin Christensen
Using either 2018.3beta3, or the latest alpha, I get unknown reported as soon as I close system information, and yes, as soon as I press the windows key, or windows+m etc, I get to the start menu or desktop as expected. I'm not getting any crash or even an error or warning like the original poster however. I wonder if the crash is caused by the same action with a differently configured PC, or whether it is something else which is happening around the same time (an example might be changing configuration profiles if there was a triggered one for system information, or an addon which was triggered or looking for something else).
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
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Re: Can one selectively cut and past text from a wordd graphic identifier without the graphic?
Jonathan COHN
Use speech history tool?
On 9/1/18, 6:19 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: So I have a .docx file, when loaded into word, I can hear a description of the graphic. What I would like to do is cut the description but not the actual graphic and put it and the text of the document into a text editor. It seems not to be possible. Selecting the graphic tries to paste it all, which of course fails. using object nav and the click three times to go to clipboard does not work either. Am I being thick here? Short of copying it by typing it, and its quite long there seems to be no way to get at this description but somebody put it in, one assumes so I'd have thought emulating what they did, should reveal it. How? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi David
It might be a good idea to do a reset on nvda back to factory defaults. Then make sure you close it then open it again so you get the messages when you install it for the first time.
I am still getting no repeats of the letters or lines etc in mail app and I can read back letter by letter word by word etc when replying to a email. I also wonder if when I think it is leno said he can not do letter by letter it is his version of windows? I know in earlier versions of windows when you replied that problem was there but not now. I am on window 10 ver 1803.
Gene nz
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 12:35:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app! David. You posted about this when was it last week? I don’t understand what your problem was. The only problem I’v had with Mail is when I reply to a message NVDA doesn’t read out what I’m typing. When I read messages I just simply use say all with NVDA plus down arrow.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:32:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app! Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Don H
Just tried to duplicate this. Indeed after closing the system
information with alt f4 it seems that NVDA goes silent. after the
alt f4 is pressed Nvda says unknown. Sighted help says I am back
to the desktop and nothing is shown besides my normal desktop.
However if you hit windows key m speech returns. Seems that
something is open that is minimized by windows key m.
On 9/3/2018 7:56 PM, Quentin
Christensen wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Jason White
Thanks – I’ll try to reproduce and to capture debug-level logs.
At this point, unfortunately, it will probably have to be tomorrow.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Jason,
It isn't reproducing for me, although I'm using a fast insider build of Windows here.
Two things to try:
- Particularly if the crash doesn't happen with add-ons disabled, make sure you are using the most up to date version of all your addons. There is also an addon to check that: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html
In any case, if you could send me a copy of your full NVDA log, ideally at log level debug, I can have a closer look at what is happening.
Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 5:08 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:
-- Quentin Christensen
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Re: useing the o c r adon on windows7, is it possable?
Adel Spence
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Quentin Christensen
Takuya, Do you have any (other) addons installed, and if so, have you tried restarting with add-ons disabled? If so, have you checked that you are using the most up to date version of any addons? And finally, just to check, does this happen immediately after updating either NVDA or Windows, and if so, does it persist after rebooting the computer? If you also could send me a copy of your full log, ideally at Debug level, I can have a look as well. I forgot to mention previously, but more information on the log is available at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps Kind regards Quentin.
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Re: useing the o c r adon on windows7, is it possable?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Adel, Yes you should be able to use the OCR addon in Windows 7. You can either get it by going to the NVDA menu, then tools then Manage add-ons then the "Get add-ons" button, or from: https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html The OCR add-on is available from this page: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr.en.html Essentially, once setup, move to the image or PDF file (open the PDF file in Adobe reader), etc, then press NVDA+r. From there use the review cursor to read or copy the text which was found and press escape when done. All the review cursor keyboard shortcuts are available from the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReviewingText Alternatively they are in the Basic Training for NVDA module, which also has in-depth step by step activities to help you get familiar with them (not directly with OCR though). The good news is that the section on the review cursor is in the free sample available from: (Electronic text, the sample is a web page link): https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (Audio, the sample is a single MP3 which will play in your browser or you can download it. The full course is completely marked up with DAISY): https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-downloadable-audio/ Regards Quentin.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
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Re: Multi language support
Quentin Christensen
Hi Cristóbal, In NVDA's voice / speech settings (press NVDA+control+v to open directly or from the NVDA menu, then preferences, then settings, then speech) are options for language. After selecting the synthesizer to use, you can choose the voice and possibly variant. Different synths work differently - some use voice and variant, some only have voice, some have different languages (or really it's how different sounds are pronounced so that it sounds correct in the particular language). There are also options for automatic language and dialect switching when supported. If a web page or document etc is setup correctly, it will identify what language it is written in, and in that case, NVDA is able to switch to the correct language automatically. Otherwise, you can use configuration profiles to switch languages, and you can either have it setup so that it switches based on the program in use, or manually. There is some information on configuration profiles in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ConfigurationProfiles Alternatively, it is covered in detail in the Basic Training for NVDA module, available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Kind regards Quentin
On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 7:10 AM, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
Lino Morales
David. You posted about this when was it last week? I don’t understand what your problem was. The only problem I’v had with Mail is when I reply to a message NVDA doesn’t read out what I’m typing. When I read messages I just simply use say all with NVDA plus down arrow.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of David Moore <jesusloves1966@...>
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2018 8:32:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app! Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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NVDA, latest alpha works much better in Win10 mail app!
David Moore
Hi all! I can’t believe what the newest Window Apps Essential’s did for the Win10 Mail app. I have been hearing the same line repeat as I arrow down through my messages that I am about to send. I am using latest alpha version. I still have a little trouble navigating letter by letter; it says the same letter a few times, but it is so much better! I could not make corrections at all, because I could not navigate character by character or word by word. It is all fixed now, and I am so glad! Do any of you notice a change in how the Win10 Mail app works? Take care, guys! David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: NVDA 2018.3 beta 3 hangs after closing System Information application
Takuya Nishimoto
I have reported regarding similar issue.
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