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Re: Question about Dictation Bridge

Terrie Terlau <terrieter@...>
 

Hi Pranav,
Thank you for this information. I am working with someone who is blind and
can't use a keyboard, and I have a few more questions. Do you know if there
is documentation showing how much control of the PC you get with TextBridge
and Dragon 15? Can Dragon open applications such as email and Word? Can you
move through a list of emails or files in a folder with Dragon commands?
If this info is in a document, where might I find it?
Thanks for any help you can give.
Warm regards,
Terrie Terlau
terrieter@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about Dictation Bridge

Hi Terrie,

We tested dictationBridge with dragon individual professional. It works well
with that version of Dragon which is Dragon 15. You can try a lower version
such as Dragon 14.

You could also give windows speech-recognition a try but I do not know how
well it works on Windows 7.
Note:
I am not sure about Dragon 15 either. If however you can get either WSR or
Dragon to work then dictationBridge will work. It does not have operating
system limitations.

Pranav


Waterfox users using beta/alpha snaps

Brian's Mail list account
 

Is this an error you have seen, and if so does it actually cause any
issues, does not seem to affect 32 bit firefox 52.
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:03:14.880):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
IO - speech.speak (11:03:15.947):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Waterfox busy']
DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (11:03:16.078):
Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x05612B50>
DEBUG - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (11:03:16.081):
Buffer load took 0.001 sec, 11 chars
IO - speech.speak (11:03:16.183):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'about:blank']
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (11:03:16.183):
Adding generator 11820
IO - speech.speak (11:03:16.203):
Speaking [IndexCommand(1), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'about:blank']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:17.072):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.killTreeInterceptor (11:03:17.289):
Killed treeInterceptor: <virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at
0x05612B50>
DEBUG - treeInterceptorHandler.update (11:03:17.292):
Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x053CE490>
DEBUG - virtualBuffers.VirtualBuffer._loadBuffer (11:03:17.295):
Buffer load took 0.002 sec, 53 chars
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:17.302):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
ERROR - queueHandler.pumpAll (11:03:18.410):
error in generator 11820
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 72, in pumpAll
File "sayAllHandler.pyo", line 150, in readTextHelper_generator
File "documentBase.pyo", line 24, in makeTextInfo
File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 198, in __init__
File "textInfos\offsets.pyo", line 305, in __init__
File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 216, in _getStoryLength
WindowsError: [Error 1775] A null context handle was passed from the client
to the host during a remote procedure call
IO - speech.speak (11:03:18.417):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Connected Kingston - Making links,
connecting communities busy']
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (11:03:18.418):
Adding generator 11821
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IA2WindowHandle
(11:03:18.704):
IAccessible2::windowHandle failed: (-2147220995, 'Object is not connected to
server', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:18.707):
accRole failed: (-2147220995, 'Object is not connected to server', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IA2Attributes
(11:03:18.709):
IAccessibleObject.attributes COMError (-2147220995, 'Object is not connected
to server', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:18.828):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:18.841):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (11:03:18.848):
Speaking [IndexCommand(1), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'banner landmark ',
u'visited link', u'align right', u'Connected Kingston']
IO - speech.speak (11:03:18.848):
Speaking [IndexCommand(2), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'navigation
landmark ', u'menu item', u'Search', u' ', u'menu item', u'About', u' ',
u'menu item', u'Contact', u' ', u'visited link', u'align center', u' View
shortlist']
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:19.128):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:22.757):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:22.782):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:22.790):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:22.923):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (11:03:24.082):
Speaking [IndexCommand(3)]
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:24.670):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:24.687):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(11:03:24.690):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None,
None, 0, None))
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:03:27.063):
Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+r
IO - speech.speak (11:03:27.131):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Taskbar']
IO - speech.speak (11:03:27.200):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'reboot nvda with log terminal']
IO - speech.speak (11:03:27.200):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'80 space', u'blank']
INFO - core.main (11:03:27.303):
Exiting


Not sure if the trail of warnings are due to the initial say all error or
not.
However if you want to try the actual web site, and they would also like
any feedback its.
http://ck.ayup.io/

It is not secure yetbut its a test site at the moment so was testing it with different browsers.

No need to enter any personal data.
Brian

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Re: Espeak in a sapi5 guise?

Antony Stone
 

According to https://sourceforge.net/projects/espeak/files/espeak/espeak-1.48/
the file setup_espeak-1.48.04.exe contains a SAPI5 version.

Direct download link is
https://sourceforge.net/projects/espeak/files/espeak/espeak-1.48/setup_espeak-1.48.04.exe/download

Note: I've not tried this out myself.

Antony.

On Sunday 09 September 2018 at 11:08:31, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Is this still available? I rather want it to be available in other software
including Jaws and some self voicing and mp3 creation software so we can
use the same voice somebody likes.
And no rude comments about anyone liking Espeak please, each to their own.
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Espeak in a sapi5 guise?

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Is this still available? I rather want it to be available in other software including Jaws and some self voicing and mp3 creation software so we can use the same voice somebody likes.
And no rude comments about anyone liking Espeak please, each to their own.
Brian

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Re: just became a blind mice megamall member

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Actually, I'd not be so charitable myself. There is precious little help too figure it out and in my case even in browse mode it jumped about to the wrong fields.
It could be done much more intuitively and with more help for people.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 11:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] just became a blind mice megamall member


Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site not
being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said that the
site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in browse mode. Then
you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both firefox and internet
explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all of us--not to jump to
conclusions.



Rosemarie








Re: keyboard layouts

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Desktop assuming you have a numeric keypad. the only reason for laptop is if you need to use the keypad for something else or simply do not have one. After all you are squeezing extra functions into a smaller number of keys meaning you need to have some concert pianist skills from time to time!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 12:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] keyboard layouts


which keyboard layout is easier to use, dekstop or laptop?
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Re: just became a blind mice megamall member

Jackie
 

We all make mistakes, Rosemarie, but how we handle them speaks volumes
about who we are as people. I admire those who can apologize & admit
they were wrong about something. as Dr. Rick said, it'd have been easy
just not to say anything. Good for you!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Thank you for your kind words. I wanted to make it right with the group.
Next time I'll think before I post.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] just became a blind mice megamall member

That took a lot of courage to admit, Rosemarie, especially on a public
forum. I admire you a lot for doing that, in case it actually matters.

Again, I have no affiliation whatever w/Blind Mice Mall. Indeed, truth be
told, I resent the name, but that has to do w/personal issues which are
completely my responsibility & nothing whatever to do w/them.
Still, I felt that calling their site inaccessible was ill-informed at best
& libelous at worst.

What you did was really stand-up. Not many would've done that.
Congratulations on your integrity of character!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie









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Re: Question about Dictation Bridge

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Terrie,

We tested dictationBridge with dragon individual professional. It works well
with that version of Dragon which is Dragon 15. You can try a lower version
such as Dragon 14.

You could also give windows speech-recognition a try but I do not know how
well it works on Windows 7.
Note:
I am not sure about Dragon 15 either. If however you can get either WSR or
Dragon to work then dictationBridge will work. It does not have operating
system limitations.

Pranav


Re: just became a blind mice megamall member

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thank you for your kind words. I wanted to make it right with the group. Next time I'll think before I post.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] just became a blind mice megamall member

That took a lot of courage to admit, Rosemarie, especially on a public forum. I admire you a lot for doing that, in case it actually matters.

Again, I have no affiliation whatever w/Blind Mice Mall. Indeed, truth be told, I resent the name, but that has to do w/personal issues which are completely my responsibility & nothing whatever to do w/them.
Still, I felt that calling their site inaccessible was ill-informed at best & libelous at worst.

What you did was really stand-up. Not many would've done that.
Congratulations on your integrity of character!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie









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NVDA will not go in and out of brows mode in Edge with Win10 17755.1 and latest alpha snapshot of NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi all!

With Win10, build, 17755,

And NVDA latest snapshot,

I cannot get NVDA to go in and out of Brows mode in MS Edge.

Edge is not working well in this build of Win10 with Narrator either.

Could you guys see if that is true with you?

David Moore

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: just became a blind mice megamall member

ely.r@...
 

I was thinking the same thing. Easy to just not post anything.
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2018 7:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] just became a blind mice megamall member

That took a lot of courage to admit, Rosemarie, especially on a public forum. I admire you a lot for doing that, in case it actually matters.

Again, I have no affiliation whatever w/Blind Mice Mall. Indeed, truth be told, I resent the name, but that has to do w/personal issues which are completely my responsibility & nothing whatever to do w/them.
Still, I felt that calling their site inaccessible was ill-informed at best & libelous at worst.

What you did was really stand-up. Not many would've done that.
Congratulations on your integrity of character!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site
not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said
that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in
browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both
firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all
of us--not to jump to conclusions.



Rosemarie









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Re: just became a blind mice megamall member

Jackie
 

That took a lot of courage to admit, Rosemarie, especially on a public
forum. I admire you a lot for doing that, in case it actually matters.

Again, I have no affiliation whatever w/Blind Mice Mall. Indeed, truth
be told, I resent the name, but that has to do w/personal issues which
are completely my responsibility & nothing whatever to do w/them.
Still, I felt that calling their site inaccessible was ill-informed at
best & libelous at worst.

What you did was really stand-up. Not many would've done that.
Congratulations on your integrity of character!

On 9/8/18, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, everyone,



Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site not
being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said that the
site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in browse mode. Then
you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both firefox and internet
explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all of us--not to jump to
conclusions.



Rosemarie








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Jackie McBride
Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
https://brighter-vision.com


just became a blind mice megamall member

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

Just want to admit that I was wrong about the blind mice megamall site not being accessible. I just became a member. To the person who said that the site is not accessible, you have to look at the form in browse mode. Then you can fill it out. I looked at the site in both firefox and internet explorer. This is a great lesson to learn for all of us--not to jump to conclusions.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Gene
 

That's absurd.  Almost every program I install brings up the can't verify the publisher message.  When I tell the installer to run, my antimalware program does nothing.  I have never had an antimalware program that does.  That is such an incompetent way of trying to determine that a program is malicious that no remotely competently designed program would use it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Thats the official definition.

Unoficially it seems to be anything installed on the computer which is
not certified by microsoft, varisign or other previder.

The os for example is never malware, microsoft office documents can be
but microsoft office is not malware.

Anything else and everything else is fair game no matter where it comes
from unless x company sues the security company to stop it.



On 9/9/2018 8:28 AM, Jackie wrote:
> FYI, the most commonly accepted definition of malware as used by
> security pros is software that is installed on a user's computer w/o
> their knowledge or consent.
>
> On 9/8/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>> I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
>>
>> package you use is malware".
>>
>> Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
>> hasn't
>> been signed by Microsoft is malware?  Firstly, it has to give a name to the
>>
>> virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
>>
>> which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
>> the
>> competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
>> signed
>> by Microsoft" = "suspicious".
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>
>>> Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
>>> valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.
>>>
>>> That was my point.
>>>
>>> Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
>>> hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
>>> use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
>>> to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>> What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?
>>>>
>>>> Antony.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>>>>> To be honest, every software package you use is malware.
>>>>>
>>>>> And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
>>>>> certification system based on signatures.
>>>>>
>>>>> While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
>>>>> certain
>>>>> companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
>>>>> high profile use it but most of us don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
>>>>> fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not it needs to be trusted.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
>>>>> keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
>>>>> or
>>>>> so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
>>>>> system
>>>>> or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
>>>>> use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
>>>>>> lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
>>>>>> think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
>>>>>> potentially
>>>>>> harmful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
>>>>>> NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
>>>>>> that NVDA is no malware...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
>>>>>> have time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ollie
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>> If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.
>>
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>> list;
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>> me.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

 

Thats the official definition.

Unoficially it seems to be anything installed on the computer which is not certified by microsoft, varisign or other previder.

The os for example is never malware, microsoft office documents can be but microsoft office is not malware.

Anything else and everything else is fair game no matter where it comes from unless x company sues the security company to stop it.

On 9/9/2018 8:28 AM, Jackie wrote:
FYI, the most commonly accepted definition of malware as used by
security pros is software that is installed on a user's computer w/o
their knowledge or consent.

On 9/8/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software

package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the

virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner

which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie
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If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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me.




Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

 

To be honest, the way some of the security stuff works I am starting to distrust maybe not completely but at least to a point where if I get a virus I am unsure if it is a virus or a cooked up virus by said software.

For ages this wasn't the case, suddenly over the last 5 years false alarms seem to be as or more proliffic than actual viruses.

In fact 50% of all service calls for computers I have had to do in the past years are to remove or reconfigure software so it doesn't become a problem  for people.

In some cases like bgt the issue is known but others, well who knows.

Some malware is known and thats a given but there are to many mistakes.

Whats the point of the oh mighty massive artificial inteligent cloud protection systems we have, and the supposed huiuiuiuiuige amount of databases for antivirus stuff if they consistantly seem to get it wrong.

A guy like me if he was thinking certain thoughts would wander if security software was wrigged ofcause one hopes the big wigs re not doing this at all, but if it was, it would mean we couldn't trust the software we use.

This could have us buy more software which makes sence, its all legal to a point but since these companies don't seem to care about  their interfaces and the like one assumes they must rely on something, fear maybe who knows to keep people buying their stuff or business.

Some that may just buy it because they think its good.

I don't know what to make of it anymore.

Msse, is the crappiest bit of software aparently, yet it/windows defender seems to find the same false alarms as all the other software I have does and no one seems to be fixing them so one must assume that its not in the best interest to fix this stuff at least for those of us that can't affect said companies finances.

If this is actually true then its sad is all.

I can remember back when a virus or a malware was actually bad, now, there are bad viruses/malwares but your software is also potential malware because your security software tells you it is.

And while I would never turn it off, I have had to resort to excluding bits and in fact entire drive letters from scanning which is really dangerous, but its either that or I get false alarms from this software, and I am unsure where  to trust or go, and no one will admit publically because its probably not in their interest.

This won't go anywhere, from time to time I will blow my top but its not like anyone of note cares so well thats my blowing for 6 months or so.

On 9/9/2018 8:22 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the
virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie


Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Jackie
 

FYI, the most commonly accepted definition of malware as used by
security pros is software that is installed on a user's computer w/o
their knowledge or consent.

On 9/8/18, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software

package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply
hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the

virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner

which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to
the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not
signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to
certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year
or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security
system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to
see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as
potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie
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If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

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Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Antony Stone
 

I think there are better ways of expressing that than saying "every software
package you use is malware".

Also, why should an anti-virus scanner claim that something that simply hasn't
been signed by Microsoft is malware? Firstly, it has to give a name to the
virus or Trojan that has been found in the package, and secondly any scanner
which kept giving false positive results would quickly lose reputation to the
competition, who search for actual virus code rather than assuming "not signed
by Microsoft" = "suspicious".


Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:15:45, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a
valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being
hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to
use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able
to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its
fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie
--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it means it doesn't work.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

 

Its not me, I was simply pointing out that most software doesn't have a valid security signature which is why antivirus stuff has issues with it.

That was my point.

Only certain software does, my other point was with all the certs being hacked/lost/released early or whatever that maybe it is not the best to use especially since a lot of normal non corperate users may not be able to afford it though I have not seen any proof of this.

On 9/9/2018 8:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie


Re: Talking about Tor: Is there any tutorial to use the programme?

Antony Stone
 

What on earth is your definition of "malware", Shaun?

Antony.

On Saturday 08 September 2018 at 22:05:05, Shaun Everiss wrote:

To be honest, every software package you use is malware.

And its not because its malware, ages back microsoft developed a
certification system based on signatures.

While thats used a lot, its either to expensive or only given to certain
companies, microsoft uses it, norton does, some other manufacturers of
high profile use it but most of us don't.

If your file has a known signature, ie is microsoft software then its fine.

If not it needs to be trusted.

With the degree of certs being dropped similar to people losing their
keys quite a lot not to mention all the ssl issues over the past year or
so, my view is that we should simply scrap the siganture security system
or at least bring the cost down to a point where people would actually
use it.

On 9/9/2018 2:40 AM, Mallard wrote:
lol! I wouldn't believe there's a virus in the browser... rather, I'd
think there's a tendency on the part of some antivirus software to see
a lot of open sourcr or somehow "non-standard" software as potentially
harmful.

360 Total Security, which I'm using as an antivirus, kept blocking
NVDA, and it took me a good deal oftime and effort to make it believe
that NVDA is no malware...


Thanks Gene for your version of Tor. No hurry. Upload whenever you
have time.

Ciao,

Ollie
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I'm not impossible, just highly implausible.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.

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