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NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.

 

hello, i am from russia and i using espeak. in changelog i noticed that the synthesizer was updated. unfortunately because of the update, some words and prepositions were pronounced very strange. I can not explain it to people who do not know Russian, but it sounds unpleasant.
is it possible to not update the synthesizer in the release, or to find the source of the problem?
Sincerely, Alexander.


Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

They are aware.  If the story is in the popular press, they knew about it before it was covered there.  If people want to complain to Google about the feature, it may make them more likely to do something about the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where
you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many
devices, they better know what they are doing.



On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
> Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
>
> See this article:
> https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>



Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Well google need to be made aware, its not that bad if you know where you are, but a brouser with such a market share well and on so many devices, they better know what they are doing.

On 9/12/2018 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important. The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics. Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

See this article:
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/486524/a-big-change-in-chrome-69-can-put-you-at-risk?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2018-09-10-a-b

Gene



Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

 

Well and there is my issue, to be honest, its probably just that bit more anoying because skype is not my main business mainstay.

Skype7 keeps asking me to update it even with settings changed.

Right now I just won't use skype till it becomes accessible, stable, or I need it.

That does mean I will have  to turn down some international business but so what.

Its not that hard for me to boykot skype and so I will before I get started on it again.

I want a stable, accessible and usable skype, skype classic is that version.

I barely needed it and if I am going to start needing it as a matter of a job I need to know it will continue to work.

On 9/12/2018 1:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
And yet they are saying they are not stopping supporting it in a press release some days back. Do the left and right hand know what they are doing I wonder.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.


To be honest as part of a possible job I tried to get my head around the skype 8 interface, but I never know where I am and to be honest its a large kludge of buttons.

I really think microsoft just needs to have a way we can use the skype classic interface in skype 8 to be honest either that or just leave 7 always up.

The download link for 7 has gone from their website but oh well.



On 9/11/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat. Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant. Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible. There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on the screen was pretty limited.






.


Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Kwork
 

I used it once, and got a false positive on something, so never used it again. Pretty much stuck with Malwarebytes after that.

On 9/11/2018 9:16 AM, Gene wrote:
Running Malware Bytes might find something.  Or, you might run an antiadware utility.  If you want to try it first, it would be a lot faster.  Its name is AdwCleaner.  Others may have more information about it.  I believe it found a false positive when I tried it perhaps a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Adware.  What antimalware programs do you run?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene


Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

Running Malware Bytes might find something.  Or, you might run an antiadware utility.  If you want to try it first, it would be a lot faster.  Its name is AdwCleaner.  Others may have more information about it.  I believe it found a false positive when I tried it perhaps a year ago so look carefully at the list of results.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Adware.  What antimalware programs do you run?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene


Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Gene
 

I don't think they are called landmarks.  Land marks is a term used in Aria formatting, if that is the right word.  I don't use aria to find anything on web pages.
 
There is an NVDA plugin to set markers on a web page but I haven't used it and I don't know any more about it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I guess they are called Landmarks in NVDA.
Move to set landmarks with the letter D.
I've never set one in NVDA.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name.
Maybe not?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Hi!
Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to?
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@...>:
>
> I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
> You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other.
> If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it.
> And you can list links to arrow through links.
> I have to do all this stuff in my work software.
> Glenn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.
>
> I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:
> >
> > Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be
> > great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you
> > could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't
> > like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in
> > time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up
> > that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it
> > kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app
> > instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because
> > I'm in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem
> > too bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but
> > I've been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages
> > right from the notification is kind of handy really.
> >
> >
> > On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > >
> > > Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2
> > > version which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one
> > > and have a look back in the other one to see.
> > >
> > >
> > > Gene nz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote:
> > >> "Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So
> > >> yeah, not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm
> > >> pretty sure Windows
> > >> 10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time
> > >> I tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a
> > >> better experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and
> > >> gave me an OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since
> > >> they seem to be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get
> > >> used to whatever Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to
> > >> worry so much about what's maybe being killed when and then oh no
> > >> it turns out that was wrong and so on.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> > >>> hi
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2
> > >>> desktop version?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Gene nz
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
> > >>>> Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in
> > >>>> a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat.
> > >>>> Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was
> > >>>> an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get
> > >>>> into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the
> > >>>> buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought
> > >>>> that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get
> > >>>> to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in
> > >>>> a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant.
> > >>>> Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA
> > >>>> basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good
> > >>>> because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like
> > >>>> to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible.
> > >>>> There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I
> > >>>> couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on
> > >>>> the screen was pretty limited.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>










Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Ervin, Glenn
 

I only run Microsoft’s MRT and Security Essentials.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Adware.  What antimalware programs do you run?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ervin, Glenn

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene


Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

Adware.  What antimalware programs do you run?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene


Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Ervin, Glenn
 

I guess they are called Landmarks in NVDA.
Move to set landmarks with the letter D.
I've never set one in NVDA.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ervin, Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name.
Maybe not?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Hi!
Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to?
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@...>:

I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other.
If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it.
And you can list links to arrow through links.
I have to do all this stuff in my work software.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:

Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be
great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you
could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't
like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in
time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up
that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it
kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app
instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because
I'm in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem
too bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but
I've been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages
right from the notification is kind of handy really.


On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2
version which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one
and have a look back in the other one to see.


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote:
"Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So
yeah, not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm
pretty sure Windows
10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time
I tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a
better experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and
gave me an OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since
they seem to be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get
used to whatever Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to
worry so much about what's maybe being killed when and then oh no
it turns out that was wrong and so on.


On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
hi


Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2
desktop version?


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in
a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat.
Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was
an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get
into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the
buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought
that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get
to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in
a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant.
Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA
basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good
because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like
to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible.
There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I
couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on
the screen was pretty limited.












Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Ervin, Glenn
 

I figured NVDA does place markers, or by a different name.
Maybe not?
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Hi!
Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to?
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@...>:

I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other.
If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it.
And you can list links to arrow through links.
I have to do all this stuff in my work software.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:

Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be
great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you
could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't
like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in
time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up
that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it
kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app
instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because
I'm in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem
too bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but
I've been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages
right from the notification is kind of handy really.


On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2
version which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one
and have a look back in the other one to see.


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote:
"Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So
yeah, not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm
pretty sure Windows
10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time
I tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a
better experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and
gave me an OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since
they seem to be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get
used to whatever Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to
worry so much about what's maybe being killed when and then oh no
it turns out that was wrong and so on.


On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
hi


Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2
desktop version?


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in
a call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat.
Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was
an option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get
into the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the
buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought
that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get
to where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in
a call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant.
Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA
basic training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good
because I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like
to know how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible.
There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I
couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on
the screen was pretty limited.












Re: We have Reached a Milestone

Antony Stone
 

One thing I would greatly appreciate is that if people to see an email they
feel they have a reply to, please read the following messages which have
already been posted in the thread to find out whether someone else has already
said it, and if so, avoid the duplication.

I do know that some people seem to have problems with emails appearing out of
sequence or with significant delays, so they don't necessarily know that
something has already been said, but I really don't think that can explain the
number of times this problem crops up.

Basically, please only post a reply if you can *add* something useful to the
discussion.

Thanks,


Antony.

On Tuesday 11 September 2018 at 16:20:40, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Yes Brian there is sometimes too much traffic here, therefore could you all
just cluster mails and not respond on every single mail sometimes.
Regards
Davy

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Subject: Re: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone

Yes what you need to make sure is that the milestone does not become a
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Subject: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone

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Just writing to thank everyone on this list for making it what it is and
has been. We have now reached 1000 users earlier this week, and that is
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Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Place markers? Which add-on are you referring to?
Best,
Felix
Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Ervin, Glenn
<glenn.ervin@...>:


I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other.
If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it.
And you can list links to arrow through links.
I have to do all this stuff in my work software.
Glenn


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:

Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be
great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you
could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't
like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in
time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up
that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it
kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app
instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because I'm
in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem too
bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but I've
been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages right
from the notification is kind of handy really.


On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2 version
which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one and have a
look back in the other one to see.


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote:
"Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So yeah,
not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm pretty sure
Windows
10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time I
tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a better
experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and gave me an
OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since they seem to
be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get used to whatever
Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to worry so much about
what's maybe being killed when and then oh no it turns out that was
wrong and so on.


On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
hi


Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2
desktop version?


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in a
call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat.
Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was an
option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get into
the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the
buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought
that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get to
where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in a
call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant.
Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA basic
training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good because
I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like to know
how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible.
There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I
couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on the
screen was pretty limited.












Re: A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Ervin, Glenn
 

With regards to Chrome,

Has anyone else had ads popping up when Chrome is open?

After I close Chrome, I have to bring up the task manager and close several more instances of it to keep the pop-up ads from happening.

Chrome loads itself with multiple instances for more stability, each instance for a different process.

But I have gone through settings and seemingly turned off anything related to pop-ups and notifications, and it still happens.

Thanks.

Glenn

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.

 

See this article:

 

Gene


Re: Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

Ervin, Glenn
 

I don't think you have to tab to everything if you know the layout.
You can put place markers to the spots you use a lot, and press K to jump from one to the other.
If it is an edit field, you can press the letter E and you can search for part of a word on a page to go right to it.
And you can list links to arrow through links.
I have to do all this stuff in my work software.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 1:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting to chat messages during a call in Skype for Windows 10.

I wonder why so many developers think tabbing around is our favorite mode of navigation. It's good for familiarizing ourselves with something, but as the only way of getting around it's inefficient. For any sighted dev lurking here, it's like having to click every button in between where focus is and where you'd like it to be. You would start hating it after some time. ;) Best, Felix Am Di., 11. Sep. 2018 um 02:11 Uhr schrieb John Isige <gwynn@...>:

Oh huh! Maybe I'll try that then. If you figure it out that would be
great but I kind of started using the app because I didn't think you
could use the desktop version after 7. The other big thing I don't
like about the app is that if I don't get to the notifications in
time, like if I'm away from the computer, it leaves this window up
that just says "new notification" and I can't get rid of it. So it
kind of messes with switching apps and stuff, or if I close an app
instead of going right to the desktop I have to hit win-m because I'm
in the new notification window. Other than that it doesn't seem too
bad, I have to open it if I want to write longer messages but I've
been dealing with that OK. Being able to write shorter messages right
from the notification is kind of handy really.


On 9/10/2018 17:42, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Ok i have both on this computer but only using the skype 8.2 version
which is the desk top version. I will log out of that one and have a
look back in the other one to see.


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:37 AM, John Isige wrote:
"Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8." So yeah,
not Skype 8.2, but the app version for Windows 10. I'm pretty sure
Windows
10 won't let you run the not app version, at least the last time I
tried downloading and installing 8, it told me I'd have a better
experience if I installed from the Microsoft store and gave me an
OK button, and that's it. I could go back to 7 since they seem to
be keeping it around, but I'm really trying to get used to whatever
Microsoft wants me to use so I don't have to worry so much about
what's maybe being killed when and then oh no it turns out that was
wrong and so on.


On 9/10/2018 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
hi


Is it the app version which is on windows 10? or the skype 8.2
desktop version?


Gene nz



On 11/09/2018 10:04 AM, John Isige wrote:
Hey all. Ran into something today for the first time. I was in a
call with somebody and wanted to send them a link in a chat.
Skype kept telling me that call controls were shown. There was an
option to hide the chat, but no way that I could tell to get into
the area where I could type a message. Tabbing through the
buttons there was an area where NVDA read nothing and I thought
that might be it, but it turned out not to be. So how do I get to
where I can type/send a link in a chat to the person I'm in a
call with? I checked the hotkeys and I don't see anything that immediately jumps out at me as relevant.
Please note, this is Skype for Windows 10, not Skype 8.


Funnily enough I was trying to send them a link to the NVDA basic
training. I ended up emailing them instead which was good because
I sent them a bunch of other links too. Still, I'd like to know
how to be able to do that when in a call. I assume it's possible.
There are also other functions, e.g. sending a file, that I
couldn't get to either, e.g. with tab. The set of controls on the
screen was pretty limited.








A security change in Chrome you would be wise to correct

Gene
 

Given the increasing popularity of Chrome among blind users, this article from Kim Komando is important.  The Chrome designers are implementing a change which is very bad for security, dumbing down the product for asthetics.  Let's hope the protests from security experts and others cause them to remember that they are not supposed to do harm, as part of their founding principles.
 
See this article:
 
Gene


Re: We have Reached a Milestone

Davy Cuppens
 

Yes Brian there is sometimes too much traffic here, therefore could you all just cluster mails and not respond on every single mail sometimes.
Regards
Davy

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Subject: Re: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone

Yes what you need to make sure is that the milestone does not become a
millstone around your neck as the saying goes!
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone


Hello everyone,

Just writing to thank everyone on this list for making it what it is and
has been. We have now reached 1000 users earlier this week, and that is
excellent. Let's continue to make this list a welcoming home for NVDA
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Thanks.

Nimer Jaber

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Fw: [Nvda-devel] How the branches work at new version time and after

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Thought this might be handy for new folk.
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Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] How the branches work at new version time and after


Beta goes to rc and then to stable.

Once a beta comes out for 2018.4, users will need to manually download the new beta.


Mick


On 11/09/2018 5:49 am, Brian's Mail list account BY via Nvda-devel wrote:
OK seen the bit about the RC early this morning and updated my RC portable, but later in the day, the installed beta version also updated to the rc version.
Is this what is supposed to happen?
Question, so what happens when the stable version immerge, does the beta version update to the stable or carry on as the beta and the stable has to be downloaded or updated via the current stable portable or installed version?

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Re: We have Reached a Milestone

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Yes what you need to make sure is that the milestone does not become a millstone around your neck as the saying goes!
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 3:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] We have Reached a Milestone


Hello everyone,

Just writing to thank everyone on this list for making it what it is and
has been. We have now reached 1000 users earlier this week, and that is
excellent. Let's continue to make this list a welcoming home for NVDA
questions for a long time to come.

Thanks.

Nimer Jaber

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Re: Brian - Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

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Yes I believe though that unmuting audio is going to appear in an add on, but sadly if some burke has disabled the task that will not work at all!
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian - Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


It would be nice for Windows 10 users if they could ask Cortana to turn on the audio.
Glenn

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian - Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop

Normally this is turned of in task manager or maybe if troubleshooting a driver issue.
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Nancy, just curious--How did you disable the system audio?

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What a plonker as we would say over here. That is a silly way to do it.

It will need re enabling then a system restart, but as you say its an
issue.

I do not suppose you have a smart phone with be my eyes on it do you?
Obviously the well heeled person can call aira and get a paid person to
look as you are looking. Its better than nothing.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Brian - Portable copy of NVDA not working on laptop


I wish it were as simple as this, but I'm glad to know this about a
keyboard such as yours. Some dummy (who shall remain nameless) turned
off the Toshiba audio, thinking it could just be re-enabled the same
way, but this didn't work. I finally figured out that the Windows
audio service must've been disabled at the point of disabling the
Toshiba audio, so things should work again when I get someone to go in
and enable that and check in the start page to be sure the other audio
stuff is enabled.

Thanks to everyone,

Nance

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Thing is as I said at the start, if this is a simple as a turned off or
muted sound it could be that if your keyboard has 'extra' keys, one of
those

is a mute unmute toggle.It most certainly is on this logitech wireless
keyboard which had be going for a while when the keyboard fell on the
floor

and turned the sound off!
Brian
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