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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

Hi,
The easiest way is going to Nv Access website, going tot "download", then filing out the form. Someone posted a useful shortcut to the executable a few days ago, too.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

can you tell me where I can get this older version from? as far as where on the nvda site?

thanks

Hank



On 9/15/2018 3:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
NVDA 2018.2.1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the last version of nvda that will work with the add on?

I may have to uninstall current nvda install order nvda that works
with the add on

create a portable copy of that then reinstall the rc3 of 2018

Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
It'll work with 2018.2.1. Although the add-on may have installed fine, when using features such as Track Finder and editing comments for tracks (Alt+NVDA+C), the add-on won't work because it assumes wxPython 3 is in use.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The
Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03
/
s
tationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The
Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford
the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

can you tell me where I can get this older version from? as far as where on the nvda site?

thanks

Hank

On 9/15/2018 3:25 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
NVDA 2018.2.1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the last version of nvda that will work with the add on?

I may have to uninstall current nvda install order nvda that works with the add on

create a portable copy of that then reinstall the rc3 of 2018

Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
It'll work with 2018.2.1. Although the add-on may have installed fine, when using features such as Track Finder and editing comments for tracks (Alt+NVDA+C), the add-on won't work because it assumes wxPython 3 is in use.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/
s
tationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The
Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford
the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y







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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

Hi,
NVDA 2018.2.1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the last version of nvda that will work with the add on?

I may have to uninstall current nvda install order nvda that works with the add on

create a portable copy of that then reinstall the rc3 of 2018

Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
It'll work with 2018.2.1. Although the add-on may have installed fine, when using features such as Track Finder and editing comments for tracks (Alt+NVDA+C), the add-on won't work because it assumes wxPython 3 is in use.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/
s
tationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The
Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford
the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y







--
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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y







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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

what is the last version of nvda that will work with the add on?

I may have to uninstall current nvda install order nvda that works with the add on

create a portable copy of that then reinstall the rc3 of 2018

Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
It'll work with 2018.2.1. Although the add-on may have installed fine, when using features such as Track Finder and editing comments for tracks (Alt+NVDA+C), the add-on won't work because it assumes wxPython 3 is in use.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/s
tationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the
upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
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Re: itunes bug

 

thanks.

On 9/16/2018 7:14 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
the best thing to do for now, after searching for something in the store, in order to refresh the page, press f6. pressing f6 once takes you to search, pressing it again takes you back to the store, but with the page all refreshed and ready to go. pressing NVDA f5 makes it try to reload the document, but then ITunes crashes. so the only solution for now is hitting f6 two times, once to go back to search, then once more to go back to the refreshed webPage. you may have to hit tab once or twice to actually get back onto the refreshed website after hitting f6 two times though.



Re: W10 settings, was windows one core voice max rate

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hit windows i, then look for I think it's language and text in the main pannel.

Good luck.

On 14 Sep 2018, at 12:29, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,
This is probably a stupid question, but how do I get into text-to-speech settings? I just typed it into Courtanna and got about 12 different results.
Thanks for your patience,
Jan
 
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows one core voice max rate
 
Hi Manish,
 
In Windows Text-to-speech settings (start typing text to speech settings in the start menu) there is a slider for "speed".  Move that further to the right to increase the speech rate.  Note that this setting as well as NVDA's speech rate together both affect how fast the voice talks, so the fastest speed would be both at max.
 
Regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 2:08 PM, Manish Agrawal <manish10@...> wrote:

Hi,

I tried using the windows one core voice with NVDA today. I tried increasing the rate of speech but even at 100% the rate was slower than I would like.

The same voice, Microsoft David, can be set to a much faster rate when using narrator. With narrator, I could get David to speak almost as fast as espeakNG.

 

Has anyone else noticed this and figured out a way around this?

 

Regards,

Manish



 
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Re: Softwares to compose music for the blind

Sarah k Alawami
 

Not sure. I know it was discussed some months ago on this list. For example they said the key sig is not accessible. It is now and ther were some other things. I don't remember as I was no using a windows machine at the time, still am not except when I have t.

On 14 Sep 2018, at 10:39, John Isige wrote:

OK, where's the updated stuff then?

On 9/14/2018 11:46, Sarah k Alawami wrote: > The stuff for writing notiatin is I think a bit old as they did > update the key sig stuff and a lot more to work wiht nvda. > > Take care > > On 13 Sep 2018, at 17:52, John Isige wrote: > >> I missed the beginning of this, but if you're looking for stuff that >> does notation, MuseScore can at least read it, rather you can read >> it with it, and some work was done on making adding notation >> accessible, but I haven't messed with any of it. Here's the main >> MuseScore page. >> >> >> https://musescore.org/en >> >> >> Here's the accessibility stuff for writing notation. >> >> >> https://accessiblemusicnotation.wordpress.com/2017/06/17/new-accessibility-work-on-musescore/ >> >> >> On 9/13/2018 18:49, Jackie wrote: >>> Well, there's always ABC, about which you can find out more here: >>> http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/doc/ABCtut.html >>> >>> On 9/13/18, Arno Schuh arno.schuh@... wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Dancing Dots has afaIk. OCR for scores, too: >>>> http://www.dancingdots.com/main/index.htm >>>> I suppose the software to scan scores also is able to scan PDF. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely >>>> >>>> Arno >>>> >>>> Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2018 15:33 schrieb Giles Turnbull >>>> giles.turnbull@...: >>>> >>>>> I have a sort-of similar question. I used to play piano in my >>>>> sighted >>>>> days but mever memorised any of the music, prefering to read the >>>>> score as I played. Now I can't read a score I can't remember much >>>>> of >>>>> those pieces. >>>>> >>>>> I have PDF scores of a lot of piano music and wonder if there is >>>>> any >>>>> way that something like Muse Score could open a PDF and I could >>>>> somehow figure out what notes are where? I'm thinking of chords >>>>> with >>>>> three or more notes across both hands, my ear being unable to >>>>> figure >>>>> them out by listening to a recording. >>>>> >>>>> I'd love a means of converting a PDF or a midi file into a text >>>>> from >>>>> which I can determine the notes ... the durations are less >>>>> important >>>>> for me since I can remember how the pieces sound. >>>>> >>>>> It's funny, I just asked a sighted friend for help with three >>>>> notes >>>>> in Chopin's first ballade which I was struggling to remember just >>>>> this morning! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any ideas (and no, I never learned to read Braille >>>>> music) >>>>> >>>>> Giles >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > >


Re: station playlist older version add on

 

Hi,
It'll work with 2018.2.1. Although the add-on may have installed fine, when using features such as Track Finder and editing comments for tracks (Alt+NVDA+C), the add-on won't work because it assumes wxPython 3 is in use.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/s
tationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the
upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


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Re: Still having issues with iTunes with NVDA 2018.3 RC3

Lino Morales
 

Hi Josh. I’ll try that. Thanks sir.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 3:11:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Still having issues with iTunes with NVDA 2018.3 RC3
 
try setting itunes to list view, its under the view menu. once set, it reads much better. 


Re: itunes issue handled

Josh Kennedy
 

yes it works good. and if you go into the view menu and set your view to list view, it works even better. I use apple for tv shows and movies. they are the only ones which have the complete seasons of all the tv shows that I like to watch. 


Re: a nice surprise with rc3 and whatsaap web

Darren Harris
 

I know you can play voice messages using the web application, but can you send them? As yet, I have not worked out how you can do this if it is even possible.


On 15 Sep 2018, at 15:38, Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi, I don’t know if this issue was addressed intentionally.

Before rc3, if I was in WhatsApp web and changed to a browser or mail (I believe it was related with componentes that handle html), when I switched back to WhatsApp web, I couldn’t read the messages. So I had to close and open the application again.

This problem is solved and now I am enjoying to use WhatsApp web at the same time I do other things in the web...

Thank to the developers!

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: iTunes 12.9

Josh Kennedy
 

the latest jaws2018 works fine with itunes 12.9. 


Re: station playlist older version add on

 

what is the latest nvda that that add on will work with?

also am confused because I am running the rc3 of 2018 and the add on installed perfictly fine.
Hank

On 9/15/2018 12:03 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/stationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


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Re: itunes latest issue

Josh Kennedy
 

why not contact apple accessibility directly? just send an email to: accessibility@...


Re: itunes bug

Josh Kennedy
 

the best thing to do for now, after searching for something in the store, in order to refresh the page, press f6. pressing f6 once takes you to search, pressing it again takes you back to the store, but with the page all refreshed and ready to go. pressing NVDA f5 makes it try to reload the document, but then ITunes crashes. so the only solution for now is hitting f6 two times, once to go back to search, then once more to go back to the refreshed webPage. you may have to hit tab once or twice to actually get back onto the refreshed website after hitting f6 two times though. 


Re: Still having issues with iTunes with NVDA 2018.3 RC3

Josh Kennedy
 

try setting itunes to list view, its under the view menu. once set, it reads much better. 


Re: station playlist older version add on

 

Hi,
Note that 15.14-LTS is NOT compatible with NVDA 2018.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

thank you

Hank



On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/stationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
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https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y







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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

thank you

Hank

On 9/15/2018 11:52 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The direct link is:
https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/download/18.03/stationPlaylist-15.14-lts.nvda-addon

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y






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Re: station playlist older version add on

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] station playlist older version add on

Hello I am running station playlist 5.0

I realize that this is not the latest version but I can not aford the upgrade

can I please get the nvda add on for version 5.0 of station playlist studio?

thanks

Hank


--
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nvda icon

Gary Metzler
 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest win 10 and nvda rc3.  I noticed that the nvda icon doesn’t show up in the system tray.  Is there a setting I need to check to get it to show up?  Thanks for any help.

 

Regards, Gary KN4Ox

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