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Re: Hello Everyone

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Jenny,
Fact is, I didn't invite you...I just informed you of its existence and helped you sign up. The list is open to everyone. In any case, I love nothing better than to help people and see them settled and happy in whatever they want to do, and so it was a pleasure. Welcome to the list.
There are over a thousand members here all looking for new ways to make NVDA dance to their tune as it were, and so you will see a fair few messages covering a very wide range of topics.
I'm sure if you have any questions about NVDA, and that can be anything from configuration to software cooperation, chances are there'll likely be someone on this list who works in that kind of area who can help you.
Anyways. Enough rambling from me. All's left to say from my side is, hope you find the list useful as I do.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 17/09/2018 02:08 PM, Jenny wrote:
My name is Jenny, and I'm from the U.S. I am new to this list. Thank you Damien for inviting me. I've been using NVDA for about two years and am very excited to learn more about how it works and about different add-ons. Thanks again, and I look forward to meeting you all and to learning a lot.


Re: contact you off list

Gene
 

And you didn't just insist it couldn't be done, you accused me of repeatedly insisting that black is white. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

And you never either apologized, nor did you acknowledge in any way that you were wrong about Webvisum.  Complete silence after I stated that I had created an account when you insisted it couldn't be done.  Maybe you shouldn't be so dismissive. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

Anthony,

             Below you will see what came to me just now in an e-mail message, as I changed my subscription to receive them for a short while.  

              I hasten to add, and immediately, that you are correct and the link is not there.  It appears that a feature has been added, which was not there at the outset, giving Group Owners the ability to customize the footers to the group's messages and Nimer must have done so at some point.   I have old NVDA list messages and digests, as well as some from the JAWS for Windows group and the Windows 10 for screen reader user's group, and all have what had been the "Groups.io" standard collection at the end.  I will apologize in public, too.

               As far as I'm concerned, though, it is an utterly bone-headed decision by any group owner, particularly for a blind or low-vision technology group, to remove the "Reply to Sender" link that groups.io does generate from their link collection in the footers.

                I am also in the process of researching when the ability for Group Owners to customize the footers came into existence, or if it's always been there and just so seldom used that I've now only seen it twice in the time I've been on Groups.io.

Brian

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Re: contact you off list

Gene
 

And you never either apologized, nor did you acknowledge in any way that you were wrong about Webvisum.  Complete silence after I stated that I had created an account when you insisted it couldn't be done.  Maybe you shouldn't be so dismissive. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

Anthony,

             Below you will see what came to me just now in an e-mail message, as I changed my subscription to receive them for a short while.  

              I hasten to add, and immediately, that you are correct and the link is not there.  It appears that a feature has been added, which was not there at the outset, giving Group Owners the ability to customize the footers to the group's messages and Nimer must have done so at some point.   I have old NVDA list messages and digests, as well as some from the JAWS for Windows group and the Windows 10 for screen reader user's group, and all have what had been the "Groups.io" standard collection at the end.  I will apologize in public, too.

               As far as I'm concerned, though, it is an utterly bone-headed decision by any group owner, particularly for a blind or low-vision technology group, to remove the "Reply to Sender" link that groups.io does generate from their link collection in the footers.

                I am also in the process of researching when the ability for Group Owners to customize the footers came into existence, or if it's always been there and just so seldom used that I've now only seen it twice in the time I've been on Groups.io.

Brian

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Re: iTunes bug?

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Yes Matt. This what I’ve been trying to describe to Quentin etc. on this list. I’m running NVDA 2018.3 RC 3 also its annoying. This needs work and should be worked on since today is IOS 12 day and people should do a backup before doing an update later on today.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Matt Turner <meturner2214@...>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:14:33 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] iTunes bug?
 
Hi folks.

Just thought I'd give iTunes another try.

So, I'm using the snapshot versions of NVDA, RC4.

And the latest version of iTunes.

So if your in your music view, and you have it to show by song,, with
the Column Browser enabled, the list that shows, wont read when you down
or up arrow.

But I no that its moving, because when i tab to the song the name of the
song changes.

anyone else see this?





Re: contact you off list

Antony Stone
 

Okay, there I do see "Reply to Group" and also the "Reply to Sender" link
which you were talking about. It just isn't on the NVDA list (thanks for your
other confirmations that you don't find it either now, for whatever reason).

In reply to your other question, though, I did not see the quoted footers you
tried to post, however since it was just your confirmation that what we'd been
talking about wasn't there, I don't mind not seeing it :)

Thanks,


Antony.

On Monday 17 September 2018 at 18:22:32, Brian Vogel wrote:

Antony,

It's getting even better, and I may have discovered a bug. I
received the individual messages from Glenn Ervin regarding the roadkill
website and the disk writing software while my "individual message"
subscription was still in force. Both of those contained the following
footer: -------------------------
Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#47521) ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/47521
) | Reply To Group (
nvda@nvda.groups.io?subject=Re:%20%5Bnvda%5D%20RoadKill%20Main%20Site
) | Reply To Sender (
glenn.ervin@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20%5Bnvda%5D%20RoadKill%20
Main%20Site ) | Mute This Topic ( https://groups.io/mt/25724253/24134
) | New Topic ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/post )

NVDA on groups.io ( http://groups.io/ )

NVDA is developed by NV Access in collaboration with the community.
Get NVDA from: http://www.nvaccess.org/
Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate
at: http://www.nvaccess.org/donate
Other links:
Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net (
http://irc.blufudge.net/ ) #NVDA Get NVDA add-ons at:
http://addons.nvda-project. org/ ( http://addons.nvda-project.org/ )
NVDA on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/group. php?gid=8601265515 (
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515 ) Get SkypeTalking for
NVDA:
http://skypetalking. googlecode.com/ ( http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/
) Your Subscription ( https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/editsub/24134
) | Contact Group Owner ( nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io ) | Unsubscribe (
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/leave/defanged ) [ britechguy@... ]
-------------------------

Notice that the standard "Groups.io footer cluster" that includes the
"Reply to sender" link is right after, " Groups.io Links: You receive all
messages sent to this group. " Yet this was not the case on your
original message asking for a copy of the footer, which contained:



This is just plain weird.

I've sent a verbatim copy of this message along with a preface to groups.io
support, as I cannot imagine that the standard footers should not either
be consistently included, or excluded, from a message footer. Coming and
going is just not functional. --

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Re: contact you off list

 

Antony,

            It's getting even better, and I may have discovered a bug.  I received the individual messages from Glenn Ervin regarding the roadkill website and the disk writing software while my "individual message" subscription was still in force.  Both of those contained the following footer:
-------------------------
Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#47521) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic


NVDA on groups.io

NVDA is developed by NV Access in collaboration with the community. 
Get NVDA from: http://www.nvaccess.org/
Your continued donations help keep NVDA development going strong. Donate at: 
http://www.nvaccess.org/donate
Other links: 
Come talk with other NVDA users on irc.blufudge.net #NVDA 
Get NVDA add-ons at: 
http://addons.nvda-project.org/
NVDA on Facebook: 
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8601265515
Get SkypeTalking for NVDA: 
http://skypetalking.googlecode.com/
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [britechguy@...]
-------------------------

Notice that the standard "Groups.io footer cluster" that includes the "Reply to sender" link is right after, "Groups.io Links:
You receive all messages sent to this group."   Yet this was not the case on your original message asking for a copy of the footer, which contained:



This is just plain weird.

I've sent a verbatim copy of this message along with a preface to groups.io support, as I cannot imagine that the standard footers should not either be consistently included, or excluded, from a message footer.   Coming and going is just not functional.
--

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Hello Everyone

Jenny
 

My name is Jenny, and I'm from the U.S. I am new to this list. Thank you Damien for inviting me. I've been using NVDA for about two years and am very excited to learn more about how it works and about different add-ons. Thanks again, and I look forward to meeting you all and to learning a lot.


Re: contact you off list

 

Antony,

           Let me know if you could even see the quoted footer.  I did quote it, but it's completely invisible on the web interface, though with the amount of white space shown I suspect that e-mail participants might be able to see it.  I can bring it up in Gmail in the message I got if I show quoted material.

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: contact you off list

 

Antony,

            Done, and done from an e-mail I received with your message.

            I apologize and retract my prior statement, as it appears that Group Owners have the ability to customize what's at the end of Groups.io messages, though very few have done so (at least based on what I've seen in the groups I've been in [and sometime out] of on groups.io).   Since I don't participate by e-mail, and virtually any test e-mail messages I have from the groups I've allowed them to come in from have the standard footers that's the only thing I've ever known to be there.  I need to see if I have an ancient NVDA group message in my inbox, as I almost certainly do have one along with a couple of digests, to see if the group owner changed this at some point or if I just never noticed at all for this group.

            They're still coming in "the Groups.io standard way" for messages from all of the other groups (or I think it's all, some are so low traffic it could be weeks or a month or more until a message would come in).

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: contact you off list

 

Anthony,

             Below you will see what came to me just now in an e-mail message, as I changed my subscription to receive them for a short while.  

              I hasten to add, and immediately, that you are correct and the link is not there.  It appears that a feature has been added, which was not there at the outset, giving Group Owners the ability to customize the footers to the group's messages and Nimer must have done so at some point.   I have old NVDA list messages and digests, as well as some from the JAWS for Windows group and the Windows 10 for screen reader user's group, and all have what had been the "Groups.io" standard collection at the end.  I will apologize in public, too.

               As far as I'm concerned, though, it is an utterly bone-headed decision by any group owner, particularly for a blind or low-vision technology group, to remove the "Reply to Sender" link that groups.io does generate from their link collection in the footers.

                I am also in the process of researching when the ability for Group Owners to customize the footers came into existence, or if it's always been there and just so seldom used that I've now only seen it twice in the time I've been on Groups.io.

Brian

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RoadKill Main Site

Ervin, Glenn
 

Good stuff here:

http://www.roadkil.net/index.php

Glenn

 

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 


Disk Writing Software that Works With NVDA

Ervin, Glenn
 

They have other free software.

http://www.roadkil.net/program.php?ProgramID=12

Glenn

 

 

Glenn Ervin  Orientation Counselor II

Norfolk Nebraska

402 370 3436

Cell: 402 992 0325

Welcome | NCBVI

 


Re: contact you off list

Antony Stone
 

Yes, the View/Reply Online link is the first in the series.

The email address in square brackets following the 'unsubscribe' link is
*always* my own address - it is never the address of the person who sent the
message I am reading (unless that was me, of course).

Could you possibly quote the footers you see from this message posted by me?


Thanks,


Antony.

On Monday 17 September 2018 at 17:29:12, Brian Vogel wrote:

If you're seeing the View/Reply Online link, that's the first in the
series.

Here is a direct cut and paste of the footer from the end of a Groups.io
message, received in plain text format, that I got from the Group_Help
group on July 22nd. You will, of course, not be able to follow most of
them since you're not a member of that group. My actual e-mail address is
shown inside square brackets after the link "Unsubscribe," and I expect
that those of you receiving the message via e-mail will be able to see
it. For anyone reading via the web interface, the address will be
partially redacted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------

Groups. io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#284) ( https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/message/284
) | Reply To Group (
Group_Help@groups.io?subject=Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BGroup_Help%5D%20Can%20a%20gr
oup%20created%20%22private%22%20be%20changed%20to%20%22public%22%20by%20its
%20owner%3F ) | Reply To Sender (
toby@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BGroup_Help%5D%20Can%20
a%20group%20created%20%22private%22%20be%20changed%20to%20%22public%22%20by
%20its%20owner%3F ) | Mute This Topic ( https://groups.io/mt/23786016/24134
) | New Topic ( https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/post )

Your Subscription ( https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/editsub/24134
) | Contact Group Owner ( Group_Help+owner@groups.io ) | Unsubscribe (
https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/leave/defanged ) [ britechguy@... ]

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Re: contact you off list

 

If you're seeing the View/Reply Online link, that's the first in the series.

Here is a direct cut and paste of the footer from the end of a Groups.io message, received in plain text format, that I got from the Group_Help group on July 22nd.  You will, of course, not be able to follow most of them since you're not a member of that group.  My actual e-mail address is shown inside square brackets after the link "Unsubscribe," and I expect that those of you receiving the message via e-mail will be able to see it.  For anyone reading via the web interface, the address will be partially redacted.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#284) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [britechguy@...]

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: contact you off list

Ervin, Glenn
 

Sometimes I get the eMail address of someone on a list by forwarding the message to that person, and my client is set by default to have include the quoted message, and at the top I usually find the eMail address of the sender, so I select that and copy it, and shift tab to the "To" field and paste it.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

I too am subscribed by email, and I *never* see a "Reply to Sender" link (or even reference) on any messages on this list.

I imagine that it's possible that if people are using certain webmail systems, this may get shown, but I'm simply pointing out that it's not safe to assume that the way one person sees information *about* emails is the same for everyone.

Obviously, the content of each message should be seen the same by everyone (except for the few people I see here who somehow end up posting HTML messages labelled as plain text, so all some recipients get is a very difficult-to-read mixture of words and HTML markup tags), but the information *about* messages (such as what the original sender's address is) is much more controlled by your own email client or other method of reading the messages, and therefore cannot be assumed to be the same for everyone.


Antony.

On Monday 17 September 2018 at 16:51:09, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

I think though that if you take certain decisions if you subscribe via
the site and not via email you can make it that your personal email or
a link to it is not actually displayed in a clickable way Mine should
be seen as I subbed by email.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list


At the end of each and every individual message you receive from
groups.io there is a link, "Reply to Sender," that will allow you to
initiate off-list contact with the person who wrote the message.

It is a mailto link that gets handed to your e-mail client and will
automatically populate the To field with the e-mail address and the
subject with, "Private:," followed by the title of the original
message on the group.

--

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The tin opener was not invented until 1858.

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Re: contact you off list

Antony Stone
 

Could you please quote the footers that you do see on a message (for example,
this one) so that I can understand what you are seeing, because it doesn't
macth what I am seeing.

I'm not suggesting that you are "talking out of your ass", but neither do I
like being told that I am not looking, because in response to a question like
this I have looked very carefully at the footers to make sure I am not missing
something.

It is simply not there for me, and I therefore assume that it is not there for
some other people either.

I do see plenty of footers such as "View/Reply Online (#47513)", comments
about who develops NVDA, a donation request, an invitation to join the IRC
channel, announcments about NVDA on Facebook and Skypetalking for NVDA, and
then at the end, the link to unsubscribe.


Thanks,


Antony.

On Monday 17 September 2018 at 17:10:50, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
I imagine that it's possible that if people are using certain webmail
systems,
this may get shown, but I'm simply pointing out that it's not safe to
assume
that the way one person sees information *about* emails is the same for
everyone.
Then you aren't looking. Unless you have some sort of bizarre client that
strips the ends from the messages this is a Groups.io feature.

I see it in Gmail webmail, Outlook 2010 and 2016, Windows Live Mail, Opera
Mail, and other clients. I'm not talking out of my ass here and I'm
really tired of being told that what I know, without question, is there
unless something outside Groups.io is removing it is not there.
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Re: help with pagedown key

Ervin, Glenn
 

Here's a little trick I figured out years ago, regarding weak batteries.
When you have a device that uses two batteries and they seem to be getting weak, simply swap their positions, so the one that was on the spring is not the one on the spring, or left battery swaps places with right battery, and you will get a lot more life out of those two batteries.
I do this with my TV remotes and keyboards.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help with pagedown key

I have had that happen on a few boards, and mostly its the board.

A large note on this is if you have a wireless board or mouse, I have had windows do a lot of strange things with the boards, them not working or windows thinking keys are pressed and other crazyness.

Usually the  battery lights are on or something, sadly the effected users never have the batteries.

And usually this issue happens at night, meaning all the stores are shut.

I have it so people have batteries in stock, else I need to order online and get the morning delivery.



On 9/17/2018 3:49 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I've had that happen with the modifier keys like control and alt more
often. When that happens, I usually just press the affected key a few
times quickly to "unstick" it (it probably isn't physically stuck, it's
just Windows thinks you're holding it down).

Regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 1:45 PM Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:

hello. my computer thinks i'm pressing my pagedown key, but i'm not! but,
the key still works! this time, I think i'm skrood! please help me!
thanks.


iTunes bug?

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Just thought I'd give iTunes another try.

So, I'm using the snapshot versions of NVDA, RC4.

And the latest version of iTunes.

So if your in your music view, and you have it to show by song,, with the Column Browser enabled, the list that shows, wont read when you down or up arrow.

But I no that its moving, because when i tab to the song the name of the song changes.

anyone else see this?


Re: contact you off list

 

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
I imagine that it's possible that if people are using certain webmail systems,
this may get shown, but I'm simply pointing out that it's not safe to assume
that the way one person sees information *about* emails is the same for
everyone.
Then you aren't looking.  Unless you have some sort of bizarre client that strips the ends from the messages this is a Groups.io feature.

I see it in Gmail webmail, Outlook 2010 and 2016, Windows Live Mail, Opera Mail, and other clients.  I'm not talking out of my ass here and I'm really tired of being told that what I know, without question, is there unless something outside Groups.io is removing it is not there.
 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: contact you off list

 

Anthony,

              Am I safe in presuming you located the "Reply to Sender" link at the end of the message?

              If you are subscribed either to individual messages (whether in plain text or full format) or the digest in full format there will be a "Reply to Sender" included at the end of each and every message.  They are there.  I don't participate in many groups via e-mail, but there are one or two which are very low traffic which I do, and I know that these links come in on each and every message received.  It's a feature of Groups.io.
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

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