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Re: NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
WEll not in my case but my problem is obviously completely different so I'll regress back to waterfox and await the fix for the widespread issue before saying anything else.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:48 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing Hi everyone,
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Re: NVDA 2018.3rc1 espeak problem with Russian language.
it is difficult. there is a big problem with prepositions espeak put to much emphasis on them.
for example (в с на). some words are also misread. example (интернет.)
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NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 fix for Firefox crashing
Quentin Christensen
Hi everyone, Mick has worked overtime and compiled NVDA 2018.3.1rc1 to address the issues with Firefox crashing. Please download it and let us know if it has fixed it for your or whether there are still problems. Kind regards Quentin
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Re: Update On Firefox Crashing Issue
Kwork
Your welcome. With people talking about doing it on the web, I was just getting a bit confused since refreshing it is accessible from within the Firefox menus themselves.
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On 9/19/2018 5:51 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Nice. Thanks for filling in the gap.
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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
Hi
I am really not sure which Windows 10 and FireFox I am using. If I may ask a silly question: How do you find out if it is the 32 BIT or 64BIT version?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Are you using 32-bit Windows or 64-bit, and 32 or 64-bit Firefox? If you are using 64-bit Windows, then switch to the 64-bit version of Firefox. There do seem to be issues with 32-bit Firefox though.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:18 PM Heaven Botma <heaven@...> wrote:
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Re: Update On Firefox Crashing Issue
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Nice. Thanks for filling in the gap.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork Sent: September 19, 2018 8:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Update On Firefox Crashing Issue Help menu Restart with Add-ons Disabled… restart when prompted When firefox restarts, you can choose then to either "Start in Safe Mode" or refresh Firefox. Refreshing will put Firefox in its default state and move your old profile folder to the desktop. Travis. On 9/18/2018 7:20 PM, JM Casey wrote: I refreshed Firefox over the weekend to see if it would solve my own issue (still seems like a JAWS problem on my end and not an NVDA one). It didn't. However you can definitely do this refresh from within the options screen. Can't remember exactly where it's found; it's in there somewhere though.
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Re: Update On Firefox Crashing Issue
Kwork
Help menu
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Restart with Add-ons Disabled… restart when prompted When firefox restarts, you can choose then to either "Start in Safe Mode" or refresh Firefox. Refreshing will put Firefox in its default state and move your old profile folder to the desktop. Travis.
On 9/18/2018 7:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I refreshed Firefox over the weekend to see if it would solve my own issue (still seems like a JAWS problem on my end and not an NVDA one). It didn't. However you can definitely do this refresh from within the options screen. Can't remember exactly where it's found; it's in there somewhere though.
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Re: NVDA 2018.3
anthony borg
Hi quentin It failed caused by an error I did by mistake during the installation. Apologies I didn’t mentioned that in my previous email. With thanks in advance Anthony
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Hi Anthony,
Did it fail with an error or because the file was corrupt (didn't download properly)?
You can redownload it from: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/ (select "Skip donation this time" unless you want to make a donation, and you don't need to enter an email address).
Otherwise, a couple of reasons it might start installing and then fail: - Windows displays a User Account Control dialog - a dialog that appears in front of everything else which you need to respond to by pressing "Yes" for the install to continue - sometimes it appears behind everything else and you need to alt+tab to it. If you don't respond within 30 seconds or so, it will automatically fail.
- If you have "Controlled Folder Access" turned on in Windows 10, it will install, but it will fail to create the desktop shortcut and so show a failure error.
Otherwise, if you keep encountering it, if you could give me more information, I'd be interested in trying to get to the bottom of it.
Regards
Quentin.
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Re: Keeping NVDA from saying "selected" after switching to a new gridcell?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Brandon, I don't have an answer for you, except to say that I can reproduce the same thing, and I've filed an issue for it on our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8766 Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 8:52 PM Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs@...> wrote:
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Re: Waterfox works with NVDA
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Interesting thoughts. Thanks.
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But of course, Firefox Quantum is not inaccessible; NVDA quite nicely got up to speed and I was even able to use version 57 with it for a time. Not so with jAWS, where there still seem to be problems. It is rather unfortunate about the add-ons, though.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: September 19, 2018 3:21 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA The quantom engine itself is not a bad thing. But the fact to fix security they block direct access to windows well thats debaitable. Put it this way, 16 bit stuff especially old dos stuff trying to access the hardware directly. There can be issues with windows because of that. Before that, software used to get in other software's way. The issue now though is that just about everything ie registry, standard windows controls and accessibility libs need direct access, now just about every addon author has to write their own interface. Thats why firefox quantom is totally inaccessible. Its a security trade off there is no solution, I understand why they do it even aplord them for doing so but its a trade off. Waterfox will use classic addons as well as the new quantom engine and the web extention apis. So in short we should be able to run both libraries eventually. Sadly older addons as long as they will be available like noscript will continue but newer ones will not work but eventually waterfox will go quantom. But will continue using classic libraries as well as the new ones. So in theory we should be able to run most of everything. Think of windows 10 linux or vmware or talking dosbox or something like that. There will probably be a few limitations. Its unknown what those are. However this is a community developed project based on the mozilla code without all the extra mozilla addons etc. Sadly its also indicated it can't stay in the happy place it is now because the current engine has limitations. With thunderbird quantom, addons are just not accessible at all. Thats fine because I never used them and I find most of the rest of the engine actually usable. I'd like the addons to work but chances are I wouldn't be accessing them anyway. On 9/19/2018 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I have to say this is a cleaner faster browser altogether from the
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Re: winamp interesting news
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
Haha, wow...can't say I ever got an error message like that.
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The plugins were myriad but I never used many of them at one time. Recently I uninstalled another couple that came with the programme because for some reason it was taking forever to load. Works like a charm again now.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: September 19, 2018 6:30 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp interesting news Well I really want winamp's plugin database to come back. Well more than that. I want the database to stop being crap. Now winamp is not crap and its plugins are not crap but there is a lot of or were a lot of outdated things there. One thing I really did hate, was that from time to time, an plugin would need updating, that was fine, you load another version of winamp. Winamp crashes. But it crashes like this. Winamp has stopped responding because it has. Your computer needs a good reformat, please send an error to microsoft then reformat. Or crash with a lot of junk or not even start. The only way to fix this was to. 1. copy out all the plugins, reinstall the normal ones. And slowly copy things in till the crash then noting that down, then copying the rest in. Finally search the net to find the updates which wasn't hard by any means. I do think something like winamp can not start because files are out of date and then make a log of them or update them or something. At least if its logged I can find and update the files or get something different. It didn't happen a lot, but because you never knew what was outdated it took you at least an hour to find what was not compatible. Once you knew what it was, you could find and install the new plugins in 5 minutes and winamp worked afterwards to. Its just about the only thing I disliked. It didn't happen that often about 5 times during its life I had to update a few plugins but I still didn't like it. On 9/19/2018 10:07 PM, Clare Page wrote: Hi!it's just a case of wait and see what happens and what the new update is like,Casey Sent: mardi 18 septembre 2018 00:14offers. Windows 10has published a page on winamp 5.8 beta, indicating that v6 will be out laterI havn't downloaded this version since its not official as such its worth
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Keeping NVDA from saying "selected" after switching to a new gridcell?
Hello, GSheets has a new Braille View that uses aria grid. I would love to use this mode with NVDA, but every time I move to a new cell, NVDA says: "selected" after the cell contents and before the coords. how do I turn this "selected" off? I don't need to know the cell I'm on is selected. The only time when the cell under my cursor is not selected is when there is a multiselect mode where you press space to select cells and arrow keys to move around the cells. I don't see this very often, so would prefer "select" is off by default. Thanks,
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Re: winamp interesting news
Well I really want winamp's plugin database to come back.
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Well more than that. I want the database to stop being crap. Now winamp is not crap and its plugins are not crap but there is a lot of or were a lot of outdated things there. One thing I really did hate, was that from time to time, an plugin would need updating, that was fine, you load another version of winamp. Winamp crashes. But it crashes like this. Winamp has stopped responding because it has. Your computer needs a good reformat, please send an error to microsoft then reformat. Or crash with a lot of junk or not even start. The only way to fix this was to. 1. copy out all the plugins, reinstall the normal ones. And slowly copy things in till the crash then noting that down, then copying the rest in. Finally search the net to find the updates which wasn't hard by any means. I do think something like winamp can not start because files are out of date and then make a log of them or update them or something. At least if its logged I can find and update the files or get something different. It didn't happen a lot, but because you never knew what was outdated it took you at least an hour to find what was not compatible. Once you knew what it was, you could find and install the new plugins in 5 minutes and winamp worked afterwards to. Its just about the only thing I disliked. It didn't happen that often about 5 times during its life I had to update a few plugins but I still didn't like it.
On 9/19/2018 10:07 PM, Clare Page wrote:
Hi!
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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
Christo de Klerk
Hi Quentin I am using 32 bit FireFox on a 32 bit machine and NVDA 2018.3. FireFox crashes to such an extent that it became unusable and I migrated to Chrome. This started during the snapshots before the release of NVDA 2018.3. I saw others mentioning crashes, so I assumed an issue had been opened, so I did not write about it. Kind regards Christo
On 2018/09/19 10:33 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Re: winamp interesting news
Clare Page <clare.page@...>
Hi! Good to hear that there are finally plans to update Winamp. I’m currently happy with version 5.66, but if the future version turns out to be accessible and just as good, if not better, I’ll update. At the moment it’s just a case of wait and see what happens and what the new update is like, and whether it will be accessible with NVDA of course. Bye for now! From Clare
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: mardi 18 septembre 2018 00:14 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp interesting news
It’ll be interesting to see what further functionality a new version offers.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
I can’t wait thill Winamp makes a come back. I hope its still accessible also.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
That is indeed interesting. Still using (and happy with) v5.666 on Windows 10. I'll definitely consider upgrading to a version 6 at some point if things go well.
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Re: resolved [nvda] serious problem with nvda 2018.3 with firefox
Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
Hi all,
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Thanks all for your suggestions and comments. I finally try replacing the 32 bit Firefox with 64bit Firefox and everything goes well now. Z hurrikennyandopo ... 於 19/9/2018 7:19 寫道:
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Reaching spelling errors in Office 2016 with NVDA, all versions
Sylvie Duchateau
Hello all,
Someone using NvDA 2018.2 and NVDA 2018.3 with Word 2016 reported to me that he is not able to reach spelling errors in a word document with NVDA. he disables writing mode in pressing NVDA+space. When he presses w or shift+W, he gets the error message: not supported in this document. I tried to reproduce this problem, but I only have Office 2013 and can access spelling errors with the appropriate shortcuts. Did anyone have this problem? Is there an explanation / a solution? Thank you in advance Best Sylvie
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Hi what is this missing file?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Whatever it is it crashed nvda just now cos its not there.
The program can't start because oehook.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. The program was the webbie pdf reader save option on the menu with a document open. All speech stopped on the installed latest version andI had to force boot a different portable version to get to know what was actually going on. Should I be worried about this file not being there? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
Quentin Christensen
Are you using 32-bit Windows or 64-bit, and 32 or 64-bit Firefox? If you are using 64-bit Windows, then switch to the 64-bit version of Firefox. There do seem to be issues with 32-bit Firefox though.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 6:18 PM Heaven Botma <heaven@...> wrote: Dear List --
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Re: firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
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It is definitely an issue between the new version of NVDA and the new version of FireFox. I installed an older version of NVDA, and FireFox works perfectly again. Kind regards Heaven Botma Programme Co-ordinator | Program Koördineerder 20 Adderley Street, Worcester T 023 348 7616 F 086 415 6835 www.innovationfortheblind.org
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 09:07 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3 Yes this also gels with my feelings about people not knowing about the beta testing or not doing any, so never see the issue till the main update. What is needed is a post encouraging more people to try the code while its being developed, even as a portable version, so they still have their installed copy.That way a lot more feedback could be gotten and the other reason why it might have not been spotted is the generally unfriendly nature of the reporting system and the fact that there is nobody who actually feeds back in the list if a gather problem has been confirmed to keep people alerted of what the state of play is. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3 Quentin and all Have you seen people who use Firefox 32 bit in Windows 10 32 bit who report that it works properly? I suspect this is a general problem with that combination but that since the number of people using that combination is rather small and since the update has been out for only about a day, we haven't gotten many reports, at least yet. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Pipczak Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3 Hi Q, I have a 32 bit version of Windows 10 and using the latest Firefox that I upgraded last night. The 18.3 version of NVDA does indeed crash every time. Thanks, Jim From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2018 11:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3 Hi Mary, No, all feedback is good, and indeed it does indicate what I suspected - there likely is some kind of issue at play, but it isn't affecting EVERYONE who uses Firefox, or even everyone using 32-bit Firefox. Interested to hear if you do have any issues though. Regards Quentin. On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM Mary Otten <maryotten@comcast.net> wrote: I think I’m going to muddy the waters. I also have the 32-bit version of Firefox, and I just upgraded to the newest NVDA. I am running the latest stable windows, which I think is 1803? And sure enough, after installing NVDA, I had Firefox already open. When I altered to it, I got a crash. However, when I started fire fox again, it worked fine and has continued to do so. It’s only been a couple of webpages. And I still need to reboot the computer after the installation of nvDA. But it’s interesting that aside from the initial single crash, it worked. Mary > On Sep 18, 2018, at 4:51 PM, ann <tate886@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > I also had major issues with the newest NVDA and Firefox. > > > I am running a 32 bit Firefox, latest version, on the 32 bit version of windows 10. Firefox crashes each time it's launched. > > > But, after reverting back to the previous version of NVDA, this never occurs, not once. > > > ~Ann > > > > >> firefox crash with NVDA 2018.3 >> From: Clive Pallett >> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 18:55:52 EDT >> Hello everyone, >> I updated NVDA to 2018.3 and tried to launch firefox. The crash reporter screen came up and I tried to start a new session without result. I have reverted to NVDA 2018.1.1 and firefox loads normally. It also does when running NVDA 2018.2 which I was running before. I have the installation file of the former version on my laptop so used that. I noticed someone else having issues with firefox with NVDA 2018.3. Is this a problem with firefox or with NVDA? >> I will continue with NVDA 2018.1.1 until I can download the latest version and hope the issue with firefox is sorted. >> Best wishes, >> Clive Pallett > > > > -- Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess Jim Pipczak Access Technology Service Development Lead Service Innovation Vision Australia 346 Macaulay Rd (cnr Stubbs St) Kensington VIC 3031 M: +614 3375 7598 T: +613 8378 1243 (I: 344243) E: Jim.Pipczak@visionaustralia.org www.visionaustralia.org The history, culture, diversity and value of all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are recognised, acknowledged and respected.
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