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Re: Question to any users of Visual Studio

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I use Visual Studio daily for my work.  My advise to you is not to download the latest update of vs2017 as it crashes with both your Jaws and NVDA screen readers after you create your project.  Go to

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/installing-an-earlier-release-of-vs2017

and download the earlier version before the 15.8 calamity, which is 15.76.  That version works fine with both Jaws and NVDA.  Cheers!

On 20/9/2018 10:12 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello,

I am teaching myself Python, and C Sharp, and have just downloaded and installed the Free Microsoft Visual Studio 2017.

NVDA and Jaws 2018 will read some things in Visual Studio, and was wondering if any here use Visual Studio to do your programing?

I am either using it wrong, or not enough is getting read by either Screen Reader. So am asking if any here use this program to do your programing.


Thanks again, for any reply,

Dave





Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Not enough destruction testing obviously!
Somebody told me once that any software that crashed if you let the cat walk on the keyboard had issues!
I'd say, do a search after uninstall for nvda and see what you find. You should find some files in your named user folders.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices


Hi Dave,


As far as the NVDA total uninstall, as with most programs, you should do the normal uninstall routine and then delete the folders under programs file or program files X86 and/or program data that refer to NVDA.


As far as the issue with Code Factory voices, the website for that check up seems to have issues. E-mail the owners and tell them that you are having issues with the serial number/installation. They will fix it at their end. It happened to me twice so far when I installed the voices on a different system after a crash.



On 9/20/2018 9:59 AM, Dave wrote:
Hello,

Am New to the List, and have a couple of Questions that will be covered in this, and another post.

I am having problems reinstalling NVDA to a Win 7 64 bit System.

It was installed and working fine. Then I purchased the Code Factory Voices, and this is when I started to have issues.

I installed the Code Factory voices, and inserted the Authorization Key, so the Voices would work correctly.

However, when ever I started up NVDA, it would start, but I would always receive a Code Factory Message telling me that the 30 Day Demo of the voices has Expired, and that I would need to purchase the Code Factory voices if I wanted to use them.

I had already purchased them, installed them, and installed the Authorization key. And when I Clicked on the OK to make the message go away, NVDA and the Selected Code Factory Voice would work as it should.

Well, I wanted to clean up the false warning message, so I thought of re-installing the Authorization key. This hade no effect on the problem.

I then thought uninstalling NVDA and Code Factory and then reinstalling would fix the problem.

So, NVDA was uninstalled, and I was not able to find an uninstall for the Code Factory voices.

I attempted to reinstall the latest NVDA program, and I get to the License agreement screen. I agree, and when the install goes to the next screen, the System begins Beeping about one Beep per second.

I have left the NVDA install running, and Beeping for up to 40 minutes with no change, and there was No install.

Does anyone know how to remove all vestiges of NVDA and of the Code Factory Voices?

Hope so, because I now have one System that will not allow me to install NVDA.

Thanks for any reply,

Dave





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Brian - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Nancy Shackelford
 

Brian, apologies--just realized I put Jackie's name in the reply to
you. Sorry bout that!!

Nance

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
Exactly, Jackie. I think there is an e-mail addy with the name of hiss
addon. I'm going to try that.
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Re: Bookmarks in Waterfox

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, Ok will try thanks.

On 19/09/2018 23:18, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Kevin. If you sign into the bookmarks sync in Waterfox you can still get your bookmarks back like you did in FF.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:13:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA
I don't think so, How do I get book marks from say firefox into water
fox? sorry I suppose I have somewhat high jacked this sorry mods. but
to answer the question I am sure it will not work portable version of an
older ff and the webvisum might work.
On 19/09/2018 21:57, David Mehler wrote:
Hi,

Does Waterfox and Webvisum work with each other?

Thanks.
Dave.


On 9/19/18, JM Casey <crystallogic@...> wrote:
Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

But of course, Firefox Quantum is not inaccessible; NVDA quite nicely got up
to speed and I was even able to use version 57 with it for a time.
Not so with jAWS, where there still seem to be problems.
It is rather unfortunate about the add-ons, though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: September 19, 2018 3:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA

The quantom engine itself is not a bad thing.

But the fact to fix security they block direct access to windows well thats
debaitable.

Put it this way, 16 bit stuff especially old dos stuff trying to access the
hardware directly.

There can be issues with windows because of that.

Before that, software used to get in other software's way.

The issue now though is that just about everything ie registry, standard
windows controls and accessibility libs need direct access, now just about
every addon author has to write their own interface.

Thats why firefox quantom is totally inaccessible.

Its a security trade off there is no solution, I understand why they do it
even aplord them for doing so but its a trade off.

Waterfox will use classic addons as well as the new quantom engine and the
web extention apis.

So in short we should be able to run both libraries eventually.

Sadly older addons as long as they will be available like noscript will
continue but newer ones will not work but eventually waterfox will go
quantom.

But will continue using classic libraries as well as the new ones.

So in theory we should be able to run most of everything.

Think of windows 10 linux or vmware or talking dosbox or something like
that.

There will probably be a few limitations.

Its unknown what those are.

However this is a community developed project based on the mozilla code
without all the extra mozilla addons etc.

Sadly its also indicated it can't stay in the happy place it is now because
the current engine has limitations.

With thunderbird quantom, addons are just not accessible at all.

Thats fine because I never used them and I find most of the rest of the
engine actually usable.

I'd like the addons to work but chances are I wouldn't be accessing them
anyway.



On 9/19/2018 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes I have to say this is a cleaner faster browser altogether from the
64 bit standpoint but anyone running 32 bit windows cannot use it, as
its been optimised for the 64 bit system and that may well be why its
snappier generally. They say they are inheriting all the classic add
ons so we assume from that that they have no intention of going Quantum,.

They are seemingly attacking any security issues through other means.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Pallett"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Waterfox works with NVDA


Hello everyone,

Further to my previous post, I noticed that Waterfox was recommended
as an alternative browser to Mozilla Firefox. I have installed
Waterfox 56.2.3 and updated NVDA to 2018.3 and Waterfox works fine.
If anything, it loads faster than Firefox and takes me straight to
Google, my preferred home page.

Best wishes,

Clive Pallett















Re: Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Travis,


From a technical standpoint you may be correct, but with the high cost of hardware synthesizers, it might be more cost efficient to buy a higher end system and then use the cheaper external USB sound device.

On 9/20/2018 1:39 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
The main purpose to using an external synthesizer, (which most folks seem to miss), is the fact that if you use an external synthesizer,
your computer doesn't have to perform the speech generation, and especially on a low resource pc, this can make a world of difference as to how responsive your system is.  If the cpu doesn't have to spend time rendering the speech, it will be free to do other things like calculating that huge spreadsheet, or converting that audio file for you.  Admittedly, this isn't as critical as it used to be, what with cpus generally having cpu cycles to burn these days, but for those who are on low end hardware, or just want to leave all the available computing power to the applications and the os, using an external synthesizer makes plenty of sense.

 On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I used to use hardware synthesizers years ago: Dectalk Serial, double talks ISA and Triple Talk USB.  Now of days, I find it easier if indeed you need a separate sound source for screen reader and system audio to use a cheaper sound card separate from the system audio.  I am using a sound blaster SBX Figo! that cost less than 40 dollars and run it into a cheap set of speakers for the screen reader and the onboard Realtech sound chip that sound good when separate from the sound blaster.  This is much cheaper and works just as well as any hardware synthesizer that costs hundreds of dollars.




On 9/20/2018 11:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The point is this. Did it work with the previous version of nvda. If it did then plainly you need to alert the writer of the add on and see if they can fix it. I suspect the person has vanished by now, but its worth a try looking at the add ons internals for a contact. This is why we try to get add on authors to submit them for testing as this sort of issue can be alerted during the beta testing and the add on modified to work. The Tripletalk was controlled by special characters as I recall, you could also get in and alter some of them, but it was a long time ago and I doubt if the utilities that we had then will work on current versions of windows. 16bit software refused to run at all on a 64 bit machine.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do


So, Nancy, I just know you're gonna think I'm a pest for asking *so*
many questions, & I don't blame you--I think I'm a pest too--but, is
this the USB TT or is it the mini? I should've asked my 1st question
in a different way before, & I apologize for that.

This sounds like another really dumb question, but have you tried
different USB ports?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I removed the Triple Talk USB addon and found a download of it and
reinstalled. The Less
 than problem still exists with the Triple Talk. I hope a solution can
be found for this. Only addons I have are the E T I Eloquence and the
Triple Talk synths. Thanks for all thNance


On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
Triple Talk USB. Does not need battery. I can't find the addon for
this on N V D A site.
 >
Nance

On 9/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Nance, is this a triple talk USB or another variant? Does it have a
battery?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I need to research and find how to do that restart, but I just
discovered something:  When I use a synth such as ETI Eloquence, the
"less than" is not spoken as it is when using my Triple Talk device.
Any suggestions?? Absolutely weird!

Thanks in advance,

Nance

On 9/20/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Failing that, have you tried restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled,
just
in
case it's an add-on playing funny?  If it is an add-on, check to see
if
there are updates to any, and try enabling them one at a time to see
what
causes it.  If you do find the culprit, do please let us know.

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Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Gene
 

You can get the Eloquence SAPI 5 program.  I'm not sure which Eloquence the person is having problems with.  Also, note that the problem doesn't keep it from running.  You just have to activate the ok button and another list member said you can have the problem solved by contacting the seller of the product, it is a problem with how the feature works that checks to see if it is licensed when you run it.  If this problem is occurring with the Eloquence SAPI 5 version, it doesn't stop the program from being used.  Don't purchase the Add On that combines Eloquence and another synthesizer if you want to use Eloquence.  It has a lot of artifacts in the Eloquence it provides.  You can try both the SAPI 5 program and the add on I advise against getting as demos so you can decide for yourself and to make sure that whatever you want to get runs well on your machine.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Ah well, 'twas worth a shot.

I'm  still trying to find a software synth with that I really like with
NVDA. I get the sense from this list that a lot of people have had issues
with Code Factory voices. I'd kind of like to get Eloquence on here so, it's
too bad.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: September 20, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory
Voices

Hello,

A Good Suggestion, although, I already thought of this one, and did attempt
to give the System a Yes, in order for the UAC to allow the NVDA Install to
continue.; 

Unfortunately, the System just kept Beeping. 


but, thanks for your response,

Dave










Re: converting EPUB to word offline

Ann Byrne
 

QRead will convert epub to .txt. You can go from there to Word.

At 07:50 AM 9/20/2018, you wrote:
can you guys suggest some application to convert epub to word offline? or epub to pdf?
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Re: converting EPUB to word offline

Ângelo Abrantes
 

Hi,

Stanza is the best that I know.

Ângelo Abrantes


Às 13:50 de 20-09-2018, Sociohack AC escreveu:
 can you guys suggest some application to convert epub to word offline? or epub to pdf?
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Re: converting EPUB to word offline

Rob Hudson
 

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
What's the purpose of converting the epub books to other formats?

That isn't really a productive answer to the poster's question, Travis old chum. Our job is not to tell listers that what they want is wrong, even if we think it is. Opening the epub and dumping the often cryptically named files into a dir does work, but is not very efficient, if you want continuous reading, for example.
The answer for converting epubs to other format is calibre e-book management software.
http://www.calibre-ebook.com/
There is a front end gui for the ebook-convert program at
http://opopanax.net/download/
And calibre has excellent documentation detailing all its command line options.


Re: converting EPUB to word offline

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

What's the purpose of converting the epub books to other formats?

If the reason is so you can read them without an epub reader, or to make them more accessible, I'd like to point out that epub books are simply html files packaged in a zip container for easy distribution/reading. All you need to do to read these books is unzip them to the directory of your choice, then open them using your web browser, and poof, instant accessible book.

Of course, this won't work with drm protected epub files, and since the epub format allows for rediculous naming standards, it may be difficult to find all the files of your book in the proper order, but nonetheless, it works just fine, and is the only way I read epub formatted books, of which I have many.


On 9/20/2018 8:50 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
 can you guys suggest some application to convert epub to word offline? or epub to pdf?
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Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

Hello Ron,

Yep, have already done everything you suggested. Erased any folder
having to do with NVDA, and this after uninstalling it from Programs and
Features. Thought it was odd that
I still found a folder to remove manually.

As for contacting the folks at Code Factory. Yes, did that too. They
issued me a new Authorization code, but it have no effect in clearing up
the 30 Day Demo expiration message. So, after that was when I started
to uninstall NVDA in hopes of clearing off everything, and now I'm not
able to reinstall NVDA.

And is why I am hoping someone here might know the Secret to clearing
off everything
I could do a System restore, but I really don't wish to do this, as this
Malfunction took place a few months back, and I've done a lot of
additions to the System since.

I contacted Code Factory yesterday, and they don't even have me
registered as a purchaser of their product. Good thing I've kept my
emails confirming my order and my previous two Authorization keys.

<Slight laugh> Isn't Computing Fun?

Dave


Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Ah well, 'twas worth a shot.

I'm still trying to find a software synth with that I really like with
NVDA. I get the sense from this list that a lot of people have had issues
with Code Factory voices. I'd kind of like to get Eloquence on here so, it's
too bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: September 20, 2018 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory
Voices

Hello,

A Good Suggestion, although, I already thought of this one, and did attempt
to give the System a Yes, in order for the UAC to allow the NVDA Install to
continue.;

Unfortunately, the System just kept Beeping.


but, thanks for your response,

Dave


Re: Cannot Reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

Hello Brian,

No, didn't attempt to use a Portable copy of NVDA. I do have a copy, of
Window Eyes on this System, and it still works fine. So, if I need to
get into the HD to do some erasing of Hidden Folders, I can do this easy
enough.

Thanks again,

Dave


Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

Hello,

A Good Suggestion, although, I already thought of this one, and did
attempt to give the System a Yes, in order for the UAC to allow the
NVDA Install to continue.;

Unfortunately, the System just kept Beeping.


but, thanks for your response,

Dave


Re: Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Gene
 

When using the much more computer Intensive newer synthesizer voices, this would indeed slow a system, especially a low resource or already slow one.  But voices like Eloquence don't use much in the way of resources.  Eloquence was responsive even on my ancient 166MHZ Windows 95 machine.  On modern computers in general, I would think using Eloquence or some other older style synthesizer would be unnoticeable or almost unnoticeable in terms of how computer performance is affected.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

It also can for musicians who need the decent soundcard for other
stuff, but, hw synths are rapidly going the way of the dodo bird.

On 9/20/18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
> The main purpose to using an external synthesizer, (which most folks seem
> to miss), is the fact that if you use an external synthesizer,
> your computer doesn't have to perform the speech generation, and
> especially on a low resource pc, this can make a world of difference as to
> how responsive your system is.  If the cpu doesn't have to spend time
> rendering the speech, it will be free to do other things like calculating
> that huge spreadsheet, or converting that audio file for you.  Admittedly,
> this isn't as critical as it used to be, what with cpus generally having
> cpu cycles to burn these days, but for those who are on low end hardware,
> or just want to leave all the available computing power to the
> applications and the os, using an external synthesizer makes plenty
> of sense.
>
>   On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>>
>> I used to use hardware synthesizers years ago: Dectalk Serial, double
>> talks
>> ISA and Triple Talk USB.  Now of days, I find it easier if indeed you need
>> a
>> separate sound source for screen reader and system audio to use a cheaper
>>
>> sound card separate from the system audio.  I am using a sound blaster SBX
>>
>> Figo! that cost less than 40 dollars and run it into a cheap set of
>> speakers
>> for the screen reader and the onboard Realtech sound chip that sound good
>>
>> when separate from the sound blaster.  This is much cheaper and works just
>> as
>> well as any hardware synthesizer that costs hundreds of dollars.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/2018 11:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>> The point is this. Did it work with the previous version of nvda. If it
>>> did
>>> then plainly you need to alert the writer of the add on and see if they
>>> can
>>> fix it. I suspect the person has vanished by now, but its worth a try
>>> looking at the add ons internals for a contact. This is why we try to get
>>>
>>> add on authors to submit them for testing as this sort of issue can be
>>> alerted during the beta testing and the add on modified to work. The
>>> Tripletalk was controlled by special characters as I recall, you could
>>> also
>>> get in and alter some of them, but it was a long time ago and I doubt if
>>>
>>> the utilities that we had then will work on current versions of windows.
>>>
>>> 16bit software refused to run at all on a 64 bit machine.
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than"
>>>
>>> before everything I read and do
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, Nancy, I just know you're gonna think I'm a pest for asking *so*
>>>> many questions, & I don't blame you--I think I'm a pest too--but, is
>>>> this the USB TT or is it the mini? I should've asked my 1st question
>>>> in a different way before, & I apologize for that.
>>>>
>>>> This sounds like another really dumb question, but have you tried
>>>> different USB ports?
>>>>
>>>> On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
>>>>> I removed the Triple Talk USB addon and found a download of it and
>>>>> reinstalled. The Less
>>>>>  than problem still exists with the Triple Talk. I hope a solution can
>>>>> be found for this. Only addons I have are the E T I Eloquence and the
>>>>> Triple Talk synths. Thanks for all thNance
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
>>>>>> Triple Talk USB. Does not need battery. I can't find the addon for
>>>>>> this on N V D A site.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>> Nance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nance, is this a triple talk USB or another variant? Does it have a
>>>>>>> battery?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I need to research and find how to do that restart, but I just
>>>>>>>> discovered something:  When I use a synth such as ETI Eloquence,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> "less than" is not spoken as it is when using my Triple Talk
>>>>>>>> device.
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions?? Absolutely weird!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/20/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Failing that, have you tried restarting NVDA with add-ons
>>>>>>>>> disabled,
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> case it's an add-on playing funny?  If it is an add-on, check to
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> there are updates to any, and try enabling them one at a time to
>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> causes it.  If you do find the culprit, do please let us know.
>>>>>>>>>> >
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>>>>>>>>>> > Reid--
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>>>>>> available:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>>>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
>>>>>>>> Reid--
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
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Re: Question to any users of Visual Studio

Manish Agrawal
 

I have been using vs for a long time now. As of vs 2017, both nvda and jaws
do a good job with pretty much everything in vs. Just make sure you have the
latest stable version of visual studio and of jaws and nvda.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 7:12 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question to any users of Visual Studio

Hello,

I am teaching myself Python, and C Sharp, and have just downloaded and
installed the Free Microsoft Visual Studio 2017.

NVDA and Jaws 2018 will read some things in Visual Studio, and was wondering
if any here use Visual Studio to do your programing?

I am either using it wrong, or not enough is getting read by either Screen
Reader. So am asking if any here use this program to do your programing.


Thanks again, for any reply,

Dave


Re: Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Jackie
 

It also can for musicians who need the decent soundcard for other
stuff, but, hw synths are rapidly going the way of the dodo bird.

On 9/20/18, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
The main purpose to using an external synthesizer, (which most folks seem
to miss), is the fact that if you use an external synthesizer,
your computer doesn't have to perform the speech generation, and
especially on a low resource pc, this can make a world of difference as to
how responsive your system is. If the cpu doesn't have to spend time
rendering the speech, it will be free to do other things like calculating
that huge spreadsheet, or converting that audio file for you. Admittedly,
this isn't as critical as it used to be, what with cpus generally having
cpu cycles to burn these days, but for those who are on low end hardware,
or just want to leave all the available computing power to the
applications and the os, using an external synthesizer makes plenty
of sense.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I used to use hardware synthesizers years ago: Dectalk Serial, double
talks
ISA and Triple Talk USB.  Now of days, I find it easier if indeed you need
a
separate sound source for screen reader and system audio to use a cheaper

sound card separate from the system audio.  I am using a sound blaster SBX

Figo! that cost less than 40 dollars and run it into a cheap set of
speakers
for the screen reader and the onboard Realtech sound chip that sound good

when separate from the sound blaster.  This is much cheaper and works just
as
well as any hardware synthesizer that costs hundreds of dollars.




On 9/20/2018 11:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The point is this. Did it work with the previous version of nvda. If it
did
then plainly you need to alert the writer of the add on and see if they
can
fix it. I suspect the person has vanished by now, but its worth a try
looking at the add ons internals for a contact. This is why we try to get

add on authors to submit them for testing as this sort of issue can be
alerted during the beta testing and the add on modified to work. The
Tripletalk was controlled by special characters as I recall, you could
also
get in and alter some of them, but it was a long time ago and I doubt if

the utilities that we had then will work on current versions of windows.

16bit software refused to run at all on a 64 bit machine.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than"

before everything I read and do


So, Nancy, I just know you're gonna think I'm a pest for asking *so*
many questions, & I don't blame you--I think I'm a pest too--but, is
this the USB TT or is it the mini? I should've asked my 1st question
in a different way before, & I apologize for that.

This sounds like another really dumb question, but have you tried
different USB ports?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I removed the Triple Talk USB addon and found a download of it and
reinstalled. The Less
 than problem still exists with the Triple Talk. I hope a solution can
be found for this. Only addons I have are the E T I Eloquence and the
Triple Talk synths. Thanks for all thNance


On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
Triple Talk USB. Does not need battery. I can't find the addon for
this on N V D A site.
 >
Nance

On 9/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Nance, is this a triple talk USB or another variant? Does it have a
battery?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I need to research and find how to do that restart, but I just
discovered something:  When I use a synth such as ETI Eloquence,
the
"less than" is not spoken as it is when using my Triple Talk
device.
Any suggestions?? Absolutely weird!

Thanks in advance,

Nance

On 9/20/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Failing that, have you tried restarting NVDA with add-ons
disabled,
just
in
case it's an add-on playing funny?  If it is an add-on, check to
see
if
there are updates to any, and try enabling them one at a time to
see
what
causes it.  If you do find the culprit, do please let us know.

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Reid--




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Re: Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The main purpose to using an external synthesizer, (which most folks seem to miss), is the fact that if you use an external synthesizer,
your computer doesn't have to perform the speech generation, and especially on a low resource pc, this can make a world of difference as to how responsive your system is. If the cpu doesn't have to spend time rendering the speech, it will be free to do other things like calculating that huge spreadsheet, or converting that audio file for you. Admittedly, this isn't as critical as it used to be, what with cpus generally having cpu cycles to burn these days, but for those who are on low end hardware, or just want to leave all the available computing power to the applications and the os, using an external synthesizer makes plenty of sense.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


I used to use hardware synthesizers years ago: Dectalk Serial, double talks ISA and Triple Talk USB.  Now of days, I find it easier if indeed you need a separate sound source for screen reader and system audio to use a cheaper sound card separate from the system audio.  I am using a sound blaster SBX Figo! that cost less than 40 dollars and run it into a cheap set of speakers for the screen reader and the onboard Realtech sound chip that sound good when separate from the sound blaster.  This is much cheaper and works just as well as any hardware synthesizer that costs hundreds of dollars.




On 9/20/2018 11:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The point is this. Did it work with the previous version of nvda. If it did then plainly you need to alert the writer of the add on and see if they can fix it. I suspect the person has vanished by now, but its worth a try looking at the add ons internals for a contact. This is why we try to get add on authors to submit them for testing as this sort of issue can be alerted during the beta testing and the add on modified to work. The Tripletalk was controlled by special characters as I recall, you could also get in and alter some of them, but it was a long time ago and I doubt if the utilities that we had then will work on current versions of windows. 16bit software refused to run at all on a 64 bit machine.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie" <abletec@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

So, Nancy, I just know you're gonna think I'm a pest for asking *so*
many questions, & I don't blame you--I think I'm a pest too--but, is
this the USB TT or is it the mini? I should've asked my 1st question
in a different way before, & I apologize for that.
This sounds like another really dumb question, but have you tried
different USB ports?
On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I removed the Triple Talk USB addon and found a download of it and
reinstalled. The Less
 than problem still exists with the Triple Talk. I hope a solution can
be found for this. Only addons I have are the E T I Eloquence and the
Triple Talk synths. Thanks for all thNance
On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
Triple Talk USB. Does not need battery. I can't find the addon for
this on N V D A site.
 >
Nance
On 9/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Nance, is this a triple talk USB or another variant? Does it have a
battery?
On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I need to research and find how to do that restart, but I just
discovered something:  When I use a synth such as ETI Eloquence, the
"less than" is not spoken as it is when using my Triple Talk device.
Any suggestions?? Absolutely weird!
Thanks in advance,
Nance
On 9/20/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Failing that, have you tried restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled,
just
in
case it's an add-on playing funny?  If it is an add-on, check to see
if
there are updates to any, and try enabling them one at a time to see
what
causes it.  If you do find the culprit, do please let us know.

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
Reid--


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
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Remember! Friends Help Friends Be Cybersafe
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Helping Cybercrime Victims 1 Person at a Time
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Re: Can not reinstall NVDA after installing Code Factory Voices

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Dave,


As far as the NVDA total uninstall, as with most programs, you should do the normal uninstall routine and then delete the folders under programs file or program files X86 and/or program data that refer to NVDA.


As far as the issue with Code Factory voices, the website for that check up seems to have issues.  E-mail the owners and tell them that you are having issues with the serial number/installation.  They will fix it at their end.  It happened to me twice so far when I installed the voices on a different system after a crash.

On 9/20/2018 9:59 AM, Dave wrote:
Hello,

Am New to the List, and have a couple of Questions that will be covered in this, and another post.

I am having problems reinstalling NVDA to a Win 7 64 bit System.

It was installed and working fine. Then I purchased the Code Factory Voices, and this is when I started to have issues.

I installed the Code Factory voices, and inserted the Authorization Key, so the Voices would work correctly.

However, when ever I started up NVDA, it would start, but I would always receive a Code Factory Message telling me that the 30 Day Demo of the voices has Expired, and that I would need to purchase the Code Factory voices if I wanted to use them.

I had already purchased them, installed them, and installed the Authorization key. And when I Clicked on the OK to make the message go away, NVDA and the Selected Code Factory Voice would work as it should.

Well, I wanted to clean up the false warning message, so I thought of re-installing the Authorization key. This hade no effect on the problem.

I then thought uninstalling NVDA and Code Factory and then reinstalling would fix the problem.

So, NVDA was uninstalled, and I was not able to find an uninstall for the Code Factory voices.

I attempted to reinstall the latest NVDA program, and I get to the License agreement screen. I agree, and when the install goes to the next screen, the System begins Beeping about one Beep per second.

I have left the NVDA install running, and Beeping for up to 40 minutes with no change, and there was No install.

Does anyone know how to remove all vestiges of NVDA and of the Code Factory Voices?

Hope so, because I now have one System that will not allow me to install NVDA.

Thanks for any reply,

Dave





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Hardware Synthesizers Was: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I used to use hardware synthesizers years ago: Dectalk Serial, double talks ISA and Triple Talk USB.  Now of days, I find it easier if indeed you need a separate sound source for screen reader and system audio to use a cheaper sound card separate from the system audio.  I am using a sound blaster SBX Figo! that cost less than 40 dollars and run it into a cheap set of speakers for the screen reader and the onboard Realtech sound chip that sound good when separate from the sound blaster.  This is much cheaper and works just as well as any hardware synthesizer that costs hundreds of dollars.

On 9/20/2018 11:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
The point is this. Did it work with the previous version of nvda. If it did then plainly you need to alert the writer of the add on and see if they can fix it. I suspect the person has vanished by now, but its worth a try looking at the add ons internals for a contact. This is why we try to get add on authors to submit them for testing as this sort of issue can be alerted during the beta testing and the add on modified to work. The Tripletalk was controlled by special characters as I recall, you could also get in and alter some of them, but it was a long time ago and I doubt if the utilities that we had then will work on current versions of windows. 16bit software refused to run at all on a 64 bit machine.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jackie and all - - Update -- NVDA saying "Less Than" before everything I read and do


So, Nancy, I just know you're gonna think I'm a pest for asking *so*
many questions, & I don't blame you--I think I'm a pest too--but, is
this the USB TT or is it the mini? I should've asked my 1st question
in a different way before, & I apologize for that.

This sounds like another really dumb question, but have you tried
different USB ports?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I removed the Triple Talk USB addon and found a download of it and
reinstalled. The Less
 than problem still exists with the Triple Talk. I hope a solution can
be found for this. Only addons I have are the E T I Eloquence and the
Triple Talk synths. Thanks for all thNance


On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
Triple Talk USB. Does not need battery. I can't find the addon for
this on N V D A site.
 >
Nance

On 9/20/18, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Nance, is this a triple talk USB or another variant? Does it have a
battery?

On 9/20/18, Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
I need to research and find how to do that restart, but I just
discovered something:  When I use a synth such as ETI Eloquence, the
"less than" is not spoken as it is when using my Triple Talk device.
Any suggestions?? Absolutely weird!

Thanks in advance,

Nance

On 9/20/18, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Failing that, have you tried restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled,
just
in
case it's an add-on playing funny?  If it is an add-on, check to see
if
there are updates to any, and try enabling them one at a time to see
what
causes it.  If you do find the culprit, do please let us know.

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
Reid--




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
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