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Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Ron,

            Since I'm sighted I don't use these services, but since I can pull up the pertinent webpages regarding their service terms I am giving a list of those here:

https://2captcha.com/for-customer

http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/user/login  (info on cost is on the page, no login required for that)

http://www.imagetyperz.com/ 

https://front.rucaptcha.com/for-customer   (from the looks of things there must be an association between these folks and 2captcha.com; I think they're the same company)

https://anti-captcha.com/ 

https://www.solverecaptcha.com    (NOTE:  This page would not load for me at this time)

https://www.captchadecoder.com/ 


All are pay services.

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Re: CodeFactory Vocalizer

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I have the Code Factory vocalizer voices NVDA add-on that I purchased from the AT guys.

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clifboard

Brian Tew
 

How do we paste the clipboard info into a file?


weird symbols

Brian Tew
 

I use braille. some symbols come out weird, e.g. in skype apostrophe looks like
backslash x 2019

Is there a way to make these symbols become dormal text?
And whadaya call these things, hex or unicode?


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian,


Can you tell us about these 7 captcha solving services.  Are they all fee for service? Are any of them free?


Thanks in advance.



On 9/23/2018 10:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
With or without hyphens, searching for Captcha-Be-Gone in the Add-Ons under the latest version of Firefox is turning up nothing.  That suggests to me that it's either abandonware or very tardy in redeveloping for Firefox Quantum, and I'd bet on the former.

There are two add-ons that might be of use, though:

                          I'm not a robot captcha clicker which does exactly what it's name suggests

and                    ReCaptcha Solver  which allows you to use any one of 7 different Captcha solver services and to toggle between them.  You have to have account(s) with each service you might want to try to use and I have no idea of just how accessible the interface might be
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Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

With or without hyphens, searching for Captcha-Be-Gone in the Add-Ons under the latest version of Firefox is turning up nothing.  That suggests to me that it's either abandonware or very tardy in redeveloping for Firefox Quantum, and I'd bet on the former.

There are two add-ons that might be of use, though:

                          I'm not a robot captcha clicker which does exactly what it's name suggests

and                    ReCaptcha Solver  which allows you to use any one of 7 different Captcha solver services and to toggle between them.  You have to have account(s) with each service you might want to try to use and I have no idea of just how accessible the interface might be
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

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Are you meaning navigational sounds?
That is why I'm using waterfox. I do now have the latest firefox working on nvda, but still on windows 7 the 32 bit version of firefox fails to work , ie it is unknown all over the place, and in the previous version of nvda that went for the 64 bit of Firefox too.
I understood that Joseph had a patch for remote, but that the author, or one of the authors has promised to fix it. If the problem is merely wx4, then it looks like its not going to be rocket science if they know what they are doing, as even I have patched a couple of the major ones in 3d Sounds so it works with the default scheme, but am not really up to the rest of it. I think the real crunch on add ons is going to happen when they go Python 3. Its one of those things where from the look of it, the code could well be more efficient and things not now possible can be done, but the pain involved in getting the code to work and all the add ons also to work looks really nasty to me.
I cannot really help, but really, maybe more chats need to be had with NV Access on many of the points I see raised regularly here.
Programmers will always want to improve things but often lose sight of the original goal in the process.
All I'll say is that if it was not for Windows keeping on effectively bringing out a new version of Windows every six months or so, the workload at any screenreader company would not be so high.
I heard an interview with the chap at VFO/FS about Jaws 2019 yesterday and although he is spinning things positively I could not help but notice the little moan about Windows not really leaving things that work alone when they add new features etc. OK its the way things are going perhaps, but I cannot help thinking that with Windows and office changing like the wind and every other bit of software following suit, its no wonder support for us is on shaky ground at times.
OK rant over and I'm not going to blame anyone other than those involved in the development of windows itself.

Since Microsoft seem to change stuff like Skype at a whim, one wonders why we have not got the choice of ordinary and ribbon menus and why the windows 10 apps seem to have been written by people who have not read the windows style guide!
And they ask me why I'm still on Windows 7
Bah humbug.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Damien Garwood" <damien@daygar.plus.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?


Hi,
Again, unfortunately I have no firm evidence on this, but it does appear that CaptchaBeGone has also been abandoned. The following points lead me to this conclusion.
1. Out-of-date software (no support for Firefox above 57, no support for Edge etc).
2. Captchas never end up getting solved in the first place (though to be fair that could be caused by a number of different variable factors, including point 3 below).
3. Customers no longer seem to be billed (billing system comes up with "500 internal server error" and has done so for a number of months now).
4. Last tweeted 18th September 2016.
5. No reply when contacted.
I won't go starting a rant about the developer involved, however let's just say that these signs come as no big surprise to me, hence the reason I never donated to the NVDA Remote crowdfunding campaign.
That having been said, CBG was a good service while it lasted, and NVDA Remote will still work with NVDA 2018.2 (I just have a portable copy lying around with that installed so that I can still use it when necessary).
Also let's not forget that the Firefox addon interface has been completely rewritten. One of the biggest reasons I'm still stuck on ESR v52 is the fact that another addon I rely on doesn't work on versions later than 57, and the author has explicitly told me that it isn't physically possible to rewrite his addon with the new interface. So I guess this could also be a possibility with CBG. I just wish we'd been told, one way or the other.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 23/09/2018 12:09 PM, Patrick ZAJDA via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello,

Sorry for the off-topic but I contacted CAPTCHA Be Gone last week
without any answer.

It looks like this addon doesn't work with last FireFox version nor with
WaterFox, in fact same as Webvisum (which is free).
Is it like NVDARemote fore which we have no idea of its future? Strange,
it is another project from one of NVDARemote authors which is abandoned...

And to come back more to the list topic, what captcha solver can we use
with NVDA and WaterFox or last FireFox now the two best solutions are
gone out to date?

Thanks and best regards,

Patrick




Re: serious problem with nvda 2018.3 with firefox

 

hi gene.
sorry for very late reply.
i was very busy in last days and even did not use internet in two days!
yes, i should say that i tested firefox 61.01 32bit version with nvda
versions 2015.3 until 2017.2 and firefox crashed for me and wanted me
to report crash to mozilla.
i tested 32bit version of firefox with 32bit version of windows seven
pro edition.
hi jonathan.
i explaned the case and addressed gene and explaned for him.
please see it. thanks for all of your helps and God bless you all!

On 9/19/18, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Grab a 64 bit version of fire fox it does not seem to crash on it only
the 32 bit version.


I downloaded a portable version  which had the 32 bit and 64 bit version
of fire fox to see if i had the same problem.


Are you using a 64 bit operating system and if so is it windows 10? 8 or 7?

If so grab the 64 bit version of fire fox but if you are using a 32 bit
version of windows and the 32 bit fire fox browser crashes i guess there
would be more reports.


Gene nz




On 19/09/2018 10:50 AM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
Hi,
I wake up today and restart the computer, the problem is still here.
I am using win 7 64bit and Firefox 32bit.

William


Cohn, Jonathan 於 18/9/2018 23:18 寫道:
Ahra,

It appears that most of the people having problems with NVDA and
newer Firefox versions are running a 32bit version of Firefox. So,
you do fit in that category. However, I don't believe you mentioned
the version of Windows you are running and that can make a
significant difference.  Please also let us know if Windows is 32 bit
or 64 bit.

Thanks,

Jonathan Cohn


On 9/18/18, 10:12 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of zahra"
<nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

     even i tested firefox 61.01 32bit version of firefox with many
     versions of nvda 2015.3, 2016.1, 2016.3, 2016.4, 2017.1, and 2017.2
     and firefox crashed for me.
     it crashed even when openning simple websites without scripts.
     i believe that firefox quantum is not usable for screen readers
and i
     use 52.9esr forever by the grace of God.
          On 9/18/18, Kwork <istherelife@gmail.com> wrote:
     > No problems here so far. 64-bit Firefox on Win 10, 1803,
64-bit, NVDA
     > 2018.3
     >
     > On 9/18/2018 1:10 AM, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William wrote:
     >> Hi,
     >> I just tasted the latest stable version of nvda, and found
that NVDA
     >> became inaccessable with Firefox.
     >>
     >> It only say list and cannot interact with the page content.
     >> Any advice?
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> .
     >>
     >
     >
     >
     >
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     were I given all the seven heavens
     with all they contain
     in order that
     I may disobey God
     by depriving an ant
     from the husk of a grain of barley,
     I would not do it.
     imam ali








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I would not do it.
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Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Again, unfortunately I have no firm evidence on this, but it does appear that CaptchaBeGone has also been abandoned. The following points lead me to this conclusion.
1. Out-of-date software (no support for Firefox above 57, no support for Edge etc).
2. Captchas never end up getting solved in the first place (though to be fair that could be caused by a number of different variable factors, including point 3 below).
3. Customers no longer seem to be billed (billing system comes up with "500 internal server error" and has done so for a number of months now).
4. Last tweeted 18th September 2016.
5. No reply when contacted.
I won't go starting a rant about the developer involved, however let's just say that these signs come as no big surprise to me, hence the reason I never donated to the NVDA Remote crowdfunding campaign.
That having been said, CBG was a good service while it lasted, and NVDA Remote will still work with NVDA 2018.2 (I just have a portable copy lying around with that installed so that I can still use it when necessary).
Also let's not forget that the Firefox addon interface has been completely rewritten. One of the biggest reasons I'm still stuck on ESR v52 is the fact that another addon I rely on doesn't work on versions later than 57, and the author has explicitly told me that it isn't physically possible to rewrite his addon with the new interface. So I guess this could also be a possibility with CBG. I just wish we'd been told, one way or the other.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 23/09/2018 12:09 PM, Patrick ZAJDA via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello,
Sorry for the off-topic but I contacted CAPTCHA Be Gone last week
without any answer.
It looks like this addon doesn't work with last FireFox version nor with
WaterFox, in fact same as Webvisum (which is free).
Is it like NVDARemote fore which we have no idea of its future? Strange,
it is another project from one of NVDARemote authors which is abandoned...
And to come back more to the list topic, what captcha solver can we use
with NVDA and WaterFox or last FireFox now the two best solutions are
gone out to date?
Thanks and best regards,
Patrick


CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hello,

Sorry for the off-topic but I contacted CAPTCHA Be Gone last week
without any answer.

It looks like this addon doesn't work with last FireFox version nor with
WaterFox, in fact same as Webvisum (which is free).
Is it like NVDARemote fore which we have no idea of its future? Strange,
it is another project from one of NVDARemote authors which is abandoned...

And to come back more to the list topic, what captcha solver can we use
with NVDA and WaterFox or last FireFox now the two best solutions are
gone out to date?

Thanks and best regards,

Patrick


Re: Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

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Yes agreed. No problem in the latest Jaws version apart from the way it decides where H is going to take you to!

If you use tab in a very unfriendly way on nvda it is possible by getting to an apparently non spoken line to get to the calendar without changing it, but any attempt to come up past that to the displaying events from results in the same problem again. Odd stuff is going on at the bottom too, but not actually figured that out yet.
Anyway ticket raised, no doubt somebody will ask a supplemental question about versions, but since it seems not to matter I did not mention it, I've gone back a couple of nvda versions and its always done it in ie and waterfox and firefox 52, but 62.02 is just the same on the new version of nvda.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


I didn't test nearly as much with JAWS. If you try this with NVDA, you can move back to something like 4/15. Presumably, that is the earliest date on the calendar since there is no reason earlier dates shouldn't be moved to if they were available. But when I turned browse mode off, attempting to move did nothing. So what is the relation between browse mode, upward movement and the behavior? I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense but I suspect it is a JAVA script problem in combination with one or more screen-readers.

Gene
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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 2:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


Well in the latest Jaws I have it is fine now. However when I tested it last
night it changed when moving down from the line showing dates from was
cursored don from and yes when you move back up it says showing dates from
that earlier date. Not sure if you can do this over and over till you reach
the start date of the calendar.

Could it be that the page somehow detects the cursoring as a mouse up or
something?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


I'm not exactly sure when the date moving back problem occurs. It may occur
when I am on the first date and move up to the line that says something like
showing events after (a date.) Look for earlier events. When I move back
from the first event, or perhaps from the line about showing events though I
think its back from the first event, the date of events shown from changes.
I'm not sure to what extent this may happen using JAWS.

We need reports from other members. I'm using an old version of JAWS but I
see all headings. Also, when I press enter on the showing events line in
JAWS, the date line changes, as you would expect it to do. When I pressed
enter using NVDA on that line, nothing changed.

In both cases, I am using an old copy of both screen-readers and Chrome is
somewhat old as well.

I don't know this, but I suspect this may be some sort of JAVA script
problem. I found that the calendar doesn't display if I turn JAVA off.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:15 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page



Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
With me so far?
However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
Brian

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Re: Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

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Yes that is exactly what happens. I just tested it and yet jaws is fine on the same page with cursor control. I have raised a ticket. It seems not to matter which versions of nvda you use or whether installed or portable. Apart from the fact that in the previous stable of nvda Firefox never did work but does in this one as long as its the 64 bit version. 32 bit versions just say unknown like the previous nvda did, but this is a red herring in this case.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


Well in the latest Jaws I have it is fine now. However when I tested it last night it changed when moving down from the line showing dates from was cursored don from and yes when you move back up it says showing dates from that earlier date. Not sure if you can do this over and over till you reach the start date of the calendar.

Could it be that the page somehow detects the cursoring as a mouse up or something?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


I'm not exactly sure when the date moving back problem occurs. It may occur when I am on the first date and move up to the line that says something like showing events after (a date.) Look for earlier events. When I move back from the first event, or perhaps from the line about showing events though I think its back from the first event, the date of events shown from changes. I'm not sure to what extent this may happen using JAWS.

We need reports from other members. I'm using an old version of JAWS but I see all headings. Also, when I press enter on the showing events line in JAWS, the date line changes, as you would expect it to do. When I pressed enter using NVDA on that line, nothing changed.

In both cases, I am using an old copy of both screen-readers and Chrome is somewhat old as well.

I don't know this, but I suspect this may be some sort of JAVA script problem. I found that the calendar doesn't display if I turn JAVA off.

Gene
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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:15 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page



Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
With me so far?
However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
Brian

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Re: Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

Gene
 

I didn't test nearly as much with JAWS.  If you try this with NVDA, you can move back to something like 4/15.  Presumably, that is the earliest date on the calendar since there is no reason earlier dates shouldn't be moved to if they were available.  But when I turned browse mode off, attempting to move did nothing.  So what is the relation between browse mode, upward movement and the behavior?  I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense but I suspect it is a JAVA script problem in combination with one or more screen-readers.
 
Gene

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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

Well in the latest Jaws I have it is fine now. However when I tested it last
night it changed when moving down from the line showing dates from was
cursored don from and yes when you move back up it  says showing dates from
that earlier date. Not sure if you can do this over and over till you reach
the start date of the calendar.

Could it be that the page somehow detects the cursoring as a mouse up or
something?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


I'm not exactly sure when the date moving back problem occurs.  It may occur
when I am on the first date and move up to the line that says something like
showing events after (a date.)  Look for earlier events.  When I move back
from the first event, or perhaps from the line about showing events though I
think its back from the first event, the date of events shown from changes.
I'm not sure to what extent this may happen using JAWS.

We need reports from other members.  I'm using an old version of JAWS but I
see all headings.  Also, when I press enter on the showing events line in
JAWS, the date line changes, as you would expect it to do.  When I pressed
enter using NVDA on that line, nothing changed.

In both cases, I am using an old copy of both screen-readers and Chrome is
somewhat old as well.

I don't know this, but I suspect this may be some sort of JAVA script
problem.  I found that the calendar doesn't display if I turn JAVA off.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:15 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page



Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the  frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
 With me so far?
 However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave  the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but  is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
 Brian

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Re: Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

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Well in the latest Jaws I have it is fine now. However when I tested it last night it changed when moving down from the line showing dates from was cursored don from and yes when you move back up it says showing dates from that earlier date. Not sure if you can do this over and over till you reach the start date of the calendar.

Could it be that the page somehow detects the cursoring as a mouse up or something?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


I'm not exactly sure when the date moving back problem occurs. It may occur when I am on the first date and move up to the line that says something like showing events after (a date.) Look for earlier events. When I move back from the first event, or perhaps from the line about showing events though I think its back from the first event, the date of events shown from changes. I'm not sure to what extent this may happen using JAWS.

We need reports from other members. I'm using an old version of JAWS but I see all headings. Also, when I press enter on the showing events line in JAWS, the date line changes, as you would expect it to do. When I pressed enter using NVDA on that line, nothing changed.

In both cases, I am using an old copy of both screen-readers and Chrome is somewhat old as well.

I don't know this, but I suspect this may be some sort of JAVA script problem. I found that the calendar doesn't display if I turn JAVA off.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:15 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page



Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
With me so far?
However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
Brian

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Re: NVDA vocalizer, and JAWS

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I have Jaws but have their own set of downloadable voices, and I have not yet figured out how to make it pronounce things better. Not as intuitive as nvda is. Sadly the driver for nvda is not around unless you re register them again and pay for them in effect again, so not bothered.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 5:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA vocalizer, and JAWS


Hi,
Could someone that has JAWS, Vocalizer expressive, and NVDA on their computer or computers please contact me privately?
I have a question about the way the vocalizer voices pronounce words like McDonalds.
Thanks
Chris


Re: contact you off list

Gene
 

Here is confirmation of what I suspected was the case and which I discuss in my message, quoted below this one. 
 
the setting for telling Groups.io to send me my own messages or whatever the exact wording is applies only to GMail accounts.  Ordinarily, GMail doesn't send messages from lists to the sender.  I tried the solution that is often given for this problem which is to use the "recent" command that Google provides.  But I found that that command doesn't tell you whether the message reached the list.  It sends you a copy of any message you send to anyone.  I started receiving copies of messages I sent to friends and all nonlist mail.  So the recent command is useless for this problem.  I'm glad I found this out because now I won't suggest a command that gives the illusion that you are receiving your messages from the list when you are just being sent every message you send to everyone.  I just started using GMail so I tested out this often given possible solution and I found, as I said, that it isn't one.
 
The solution is briefly discussed in the following thread, as well as that only GMail users have this probem and that everyone else should receive copies of messages they send to the list. 
 
When I started using GMail, I received all messages I sent to Groups.io lists so this setting is evidently on by default.  I don't know if it always was so people who signed up before a certain date may not be receiving copies of their messages and may want to change it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

I get copies of my own messages on this and all other lists I have been on.  therefore, it is reasonable to assume that this is the expected behavior in general.  It may be that those using GMail may not get copies of their messages and I suspect the person who asked this question is a GMail user.  A lot of GMail users have complained about this in the past.  Checking the send me a copy option may solve the problem for Groups.io lists but not for other e-mail lists when using GMail.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] contact you off list

This will be my last message regarding "the footer issue" until or unless Mark comes back with something indicating he's made a change.

First, I will apologize to folks, because my memory of "the footer cluster" only applies to HTML formatted e-mail messages from Groups.io.  This is the default format, and the vast majority of traffic I see from all groups when I'm in individual message mode comes to me this way.  That being said, if a user changes the "send format" that they use to plain text email under groups.io the "Reply to Sender" link/function will not be available at the end of plain text messages.  I have never been on any group, including this one or any of the blind and low-vision technology groups, where the bulk of the membership in said group has gone in to their account settings on the Groups.io website and set their e-mail send format to plain text.

Mark has said he will look into trying to create a function in the plain text messages that would allow for the "Reply to Sender" function, or something quite similar to it, that's part and parcel of each and every HTML e-mail that goes out from Groups.io to be available in plain text messages as well.  My guess is that this will be at or near the bottom of the priority list, since relatively few users choose to set their send option to plain text so relatively few recipients ever get a plain text message from a Groups.io group.

If you have an individual message from Groups.io that does not have a "Reply to Sender" link after the main body of the message the only reason that should occur is if the originating party has tweaked their Groups.io account preferences (https://groups.io/account?page=prefs), Post Preference item to "Plain text."  As an aside, I have seen someone recently asking why they did not get a copy of their own message when they posted.  That's not the default behavior, either, since it is reasonable to believe that most are not interested in seeing what they've written themselves.  There is a checkbox at the bottom of the preferences page for, "I always want copies of my own messages," and it is unchecked by default.

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Re: Question to any users of Visual Studio

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, is visual studio 2017 can be used for java programming?

 

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From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 6:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question to any users of Visual Studio

 

Hi.  I use Visual Studio daily for my work.  My advise to you is not to

download the latest update of vs2017 as it crashes with both your Jaws

and NVDA screen readers after you create your project.  Go to

 

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/productinfo/installing-an-earlier-release-of-vs2017

 

and download the earlier version before the 15.8 calamity, which is

15.76.  That version works fine with both Jaws and NVDA.  Cheers!

On 20/9/2018 10:12 PM, Dave wrote:

> Hello,

> I am teaching myself Python, and C Sharp, and have just downloaded and installed the Free Microsoft Visual Studio 2017.

> NVDA and Jaws 2018 will read some things in Visual Studio, and was wondering if any here use Visual Studio to do your programing?

> I am either using it wrong, or not enough is getting read by either Screen Reader.  So am asking if any here use this program to do your programing.

> Thanks again, for any reply,

> Dave

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Need some browser and screenreader input on a page

Gene
 

I'm not exactly sure when the date moving back problem occurs.  It may occur when I am on the first date and move up to the line that says something like showing events after (a date.)  Look for earlier events.  When I move back from the first event, or perhaps from the line about showing events though I think its back from the first event, the date of events shown from changes.  I'm not sure to what extent this may happen using JAWS.  
 
We need reports from other members.  I'm using an old version of JAWS but I see all headings.  Also, when I press enter on the showing events line in JAWS, the date line changes, as you would expect it to do.  When I pressed enter using NVDA on that line, nothing changed.
 
In both cases, I am using an old copy of both screen-readers and Chrome is somewhat old as well. 
 
I don't know this, but I suspect this may be some sort of JAVA script problem.  I found that the calendar doesn't display if I turn JAVA off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 2:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] Need some browser and screenreader input on a page


Our charity has a page with an events calendar on it at
www.kingstonassociationforblind.org

Now with nvda, I can navigate by header to the  frame with the calendar in
it. I can hear it say the date its showing events from, with a clickable if
you wish to change it, but when I cursor down, it seems that the calendar
date is a month before the date its supposed to be.
 With me so far?
 However just powered up jaws 2018 and tried to do the same thing. Headers
do not seem to work to that point. I need to stop before it and go down, but
I'm still cursoring down and this time the event in the calendar does not
alter at all. This is in the latest version of firefox and the latest
version of Waterfox. Both seem to behave  the same, ie differently on the
calendar.

Its as if the calendar thinks I've hit the scroll up in nvda but  is OK in
Jaws. About the headings, well I am not an expert on Jaws, so I might be
missing something.


So what is occurring, our site builder is beginning to lose his mind!
 Brian

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Re: CodeFactory Vocalizer

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Which one do you have. Do you have the sapi voices or the one for NVDA?
CHris


Re: CodeFactory Vocalizer

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

I'm not sure. I haven't downloaded it I just listened to the preview.
It sounds American to me.
Chris