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Re: Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Richard Bartholomew
 

Hi,

If you tab between the boxes, the position is spoken for you.

Cheers
Richard Bartholomew

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Crabtree
Sent: 25 September 2018 21:33
To: NVDA Forum <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Attempts to log into the UK Santander online banking website are causing me some frustration and I wonder if anyone has mastered the challenge that I am currently failing in.

The first login page asks for my User number - it’s a plain edit field and causes no problem.

The page which comes up next asks me for 3 characters from my password and 3 from a 5-digit security number. Here is where the problem lies.

The instructions read “ Enter the following characters of your password” and “Enter the following numbers of your security code”.

Below each is a line of numbers - first, second, third, fourth, etc, which can be voiced by NVDA.

Below each line of numbers are 3 edit boxes, the placement of which determines which characters need to be entered - so, for example, there may be a blank space under first, another blank space under second, then an edit box under third, and so on.

The problem is to figure out under which numbers the edit boxes are placed, and I have run out of ideas.

Can anyone who uses Santander online banking in the UK explain to me how they get round this problem, to complete the login?

Brian Crabtree


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Kwork
 

And, also, wasn't it JAWS who first introduced many of the single key navigation commands? Seems that it wasn't possible with Jaws 3.7, my first one with my Windows 98 system. I can't remember when first letter navigation was introduced, Jaws 5 or 6, it seems, but I don't remember GW Micro introducing that concept till a year or so later. Of course it's standard across all screenreaders now, but I do remember JAWS taking the initiative there. NVDA, though wonderful, didn't introduce many of these now taken-for-granted concepts, and credit is certainly due where deserved.

Travis

On 9/24/2018 11:50 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm nnot talking about exact methods and I don't know how proprietary they are or how generally known such methods are.  I'm talking about ways of doing things such as MSAA which is now largely replaced as I understand it by UIA and techniques that are in public view.  Quick navigation keys when using browse mode, b for button, h for heading etc. aren't proprietary and anyone can use a commercial screen-reader that uses them and see them described in documentation.  Concepts like the JAWS cursor or the Window-eyes mouse pointer are in plain view.  Commands for seeing formatting information is another example. 
 
My point is that a lot of work and development went into for profit screen-readers which is in plain view and NVDA wouldn't be anywhere near as advanced as it is if these decades of work hadn't been done.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Hi Gene,
How can we be sure that NVDA is built on the same foundations as
commercial screen readers? To me, that doesn't make logical sense. I'm
not saying outright that it isn't the case - maybe I'm misinterpreting
or misunderstanding something here.
For one thing, commercial screen readers, by the very nature and
definition of the term, are closed-source, and thus any methods of
access would be kept a closely guarded secret. Let's face it - they
would know that competitors would be dangerous to the future of their
own operation, especially given the price tag. This is true for most
large companies, why should screen reading manufacturers be any different?
Secondly, NVDA uses open-source components to provide access to braille
and in-built speech (I'm referring of course to ESpeak), and
closed-source but publicly documented API's to provide accessibility
communication between system, applications and user. Commercial screen
readers need separate drivers that chain onto the video drivers and
access screen content that way. To me, that suggests that the way NVDA
works is totally different than its commercial predecessors.
Which is more reliable is, of course, subject to opinion. As far as I am
aware, each method will have its own advantages and disadvantages, but
that's another discussion entirely.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 24/09/2018 06:56 PM, Gene wrote:
> The problem isn't just with this one service. The underlying assumption
> of the argument is that any service a blind person needs to should be
> provided free because to charge anything exploits us by making us pay
> for something sighted people don't pay for.  Can you imagine where blind
> people would be if this had been followed throughout history?
> In an ideal world, this might be the case. But as a practical matter, it
> isn't and calling people exploitative who identify a need and fill it
> for a cost is logically invalid and not reasonable.
> NVDA, which is the list we are discussing this on, wouldn't be anywhere
> near as good a screen-reader if for profit screen-readers, in
> competition with each other hadn't accumulated decades of innovation and
> experience in how to access the computer efficiently.  NVDA built on all
> this experience.  That is not to take anything away from NVDA nor the
> very important need it fills.  but if people don't acknowledge what it
> is built on, that doesn't give credit to the important, vital actually,
> role for profit screen-readers played in the development of NVDA.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Cristóbal <mailto:cristobalmuli@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 11:14 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
> This is silly. So, who’s the arbiter of right and wrong?
>
> He has a skill. He put it to use. Everyone’s got to try their own
> hustle. Nothing’s stopping anyone else with similar  programming
> abilities to try to crack the same nut out of the kindness of their own
> heart. I mean, please, go right ahead.
>
> Don’t hate on the man for identifying a need and trying to create a
> solution to address it. He abandoned it for whatever reason. Be it lack
> of interest, maybe he priced it too high, maybe he just doesn’t follow
> through on stuff. Whatever.
>
> But this notion of right and wrong is again, silly. I do agree that it
> sucks that we as blind folks have to resort to all these workarounds for
> access to the same stuff as sighted people and of course it’s a bigger
> issue of demanding fundamental accessibility for such an essential
> process of web browsing, but until somethings done, this is how it goes.
>
> Cristóbal
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Darren
> Harris via Groups.Io
> *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:17 AM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
> No, nobody was forcing anybody to pay for it I’ll grant you that. But
> the fact that somebody was willing to make money out of that, I’m sorry
> but that is wrong! So if it has gone, then that makes me quite happy!
>
>
> On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:14, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...
> <mailto:cristobalmuli@...>> wrote:
>
>     Nobody was forcing you to pay for it.
>
>     Let’s not fire up the torches of hyperboly yet either.
>
>     Cristóbal
>
>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
>     *Darren Harris via Groups.Io
>     *Sent:* Monday, September 24, 2018 8:11 AM
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
>     I’m glad it’s gone. Why should anybody have to pay to solve
>     captures? It was nothing more than exploitation!
>
>
>     On 24 Sep 2018, at 16:07, Ervin, Glenn <glenn.ervin@...
>     <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>> wrote:
>
>         The only trouble with this solution is that I use a “headless”
>         computer.
>
>         I could hook it up to a TV, but I would have to unplug some
>         stuff and find an extra HDMI cable.
>
>         But I have used that app on other computers that I had a monitor
>         connected to, when I was setting up the BIOS.
>
>         So for most folks, that is a good solution.
>
>         Glenn
>
>         It is a NUC PPYH, a small portable desktop, and I don’t normally
>         have a monitor connected to it.
>
>         *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
>         *Desert Moon
>         *Sent:* Sunday, September 23, 2018 6:32 PM
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         *Subject:* Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?
>
>         Hello All,
>
>         When I am faced with a CAPCHA challenge, I will make use of the
>         Be My Eyes iPhone app. Just ask the volunteer to tall me what's
>         on the screen. Safer than using an unknown add-on.
>         --
>         Desert
>
>



Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

jazzyjennifer
 

yeah i think nvda remote. is one of the addons, that hasn't ben updated in a while too.


Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Brian Crabtree
 

Attempts to log into the UK Santander online banking website are causing me some frustration and I wonder if anyone has mastered the challenge that I am currently failing in.

The first login page asks for my User number - it’s a plain edit field and causes no problem.

The page which comes up next asks me for 3 characters from my password and 3 from a 5-digit security number. Here is where the problem lies.

The instructions read “ Enter the following characters of your password” and “Enter the following numbers of your security code”.

Below each is a line of numbers - first, second, third, fourth, etc, which can be voiced by NVDA.

Below each line of numbers are 3 edit boxes, the placement of which determines which characters need to be entered - so, for example, there may be a blank space under first, another blank space under second, then an edit box under third, and so on.

The problem is to figure out under which numbers the edit boxes are placed, and I have run out of ideas.

Can anyone who uses Santander online banking in the UK explain to me how they get round this problem, to complete the login?

Brian Crabtree


Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks, Hareth, I've changed those settings and they work a treat! :)

Giles

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Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

But Win 7 stops being supported in a year. What point is there in
getting another Win 7 computer if I run the risk of something going
wonky because I'm on an outdated system?

On 25/09/2018 10:10 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
To be honest synth wize every one of them bar the code factory ones
are quite expensive the way they are packaged at any rate.

Indevidual voices can be as little as 30 or as much as 70 but packages
are not everything.

I can and will probably get the code factory vocaliser ones at 115
dollars.

On the subject of win7 units though, if you can obtain a legal copy of
win7 you only need a 6th gen unit to install it on which is the last
generation of cpu about.

You can still get some of those.



On 9/25/2018 11:26 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't run Windows 10 right now, but there may come a time when I
have a new computer and little choice. Then, I suppose the best
course of action will be to leave ProTalker behind, get the updated
Emoticons and just move on...

On 25/09/2018 12:11 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Looking at your situation, unless those add-ons are updated, you
can't update. That might become an issue soon.


I do not recall if you run Windows 10 or not. If you do, you might
have issues. If not, no really big issues.



________________________________


On 9/24/2018 7:35 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared
to...












Re: another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Gene,

thanks for the link to your WinAmp tutorial, I will have a read of that. You are correct though that I used to be able to navigate up and down the playlist and pick spcific tracks to play if i wanted ... but now something in this new installation is not working and I can't figure out why!

Even without the Winamp addon I've been able to navigate the playlist but, on this copy, I can't!

I don't have equalizer showing, just the main window and the playlist window, and I get into the playlist by pressing CTRL + ESC.

I'll be popping home from uni in a month's time so should be able to use the 5.666 installer againa at that point. I might even head back sooner specifically for that purpose!

Giles


Re: nvda and focus 40

Brian Tew
 

Oh hey, I remember now. Forgive me, i am getting old.
the setup file was not in the right place.
At first I got a message saying setup exe was not found.
I had to search for it.
Hit windows key and type focus 40. do not hit enter.
Arrow down until you hear setup or maybe you have to find results in folders.
Anyway, keep searching and you will find one or two setup files for focus 40.
there is a 32-bit and a 64 bit version.
Click the one appropriate for your computer.
I did the 64 bit.
Go through the setup.
Hope this helps, man.

On Sep 25, 2018, at 11:04 AM, E.T. <ancient.aliens@icloud.com> wrote:

I have, several times. Installation does not complete.

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Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
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in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/25/2018 8:40 AM, Brian Tew wrote:
After you download the driler you have to click on it and go thru the setup proceedure.
On Sep 25, 2018, at 9:15 AM, E.T. <ancient.aliens@icloud.com> wrote:
I've done that. The driver installation runs but after I connect the Focus and look in its properties, there is no driver installed and it still is not listed. So I don't think the install completed.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 9/24/2018 11:45 PM, Brian Tew wrote:
I had the same problem in windows 10.
You have to download and install the focus driver from freedom scientific; then f'oc,us 40 will be one 'of the choices.


Re: CodeFactory Vocalizer

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Abbie,
You should have a download link in your email that was sent when you purchased the add-on.
I would uninstall it and reinstall it to make sure it downloads correctly.
Chris .


Re: NVDA and Focus Blue 5th

E.T.
 

The problem is the driver does not install. I get the usual progress then the dialog closes with no indication of success or error.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/25/2018 1:09 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello ET,
Home calling...
Use the link I shared; get the drive from dropbox, install it, then choose "Freedom Scientific" in the list of braille displays in the NVDA Braille menu.
Ciao,
Ollie
Il 25/09/2018 03:10, E.T. via Groups.Io ha scritto:
   I run a Windows 7 virtual machine with the latest NVDA on a Mac. I need to install a driver for the display but it seems not to install. The dialog shows the installation progress then closes without telling me what the end result was. In the NVDA settings, the Focus is not in the list of displays to choose from. Can someone offers some ideas here? Thanks.

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Re: another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

Ervin, Glenn
 

In some cases, it's easier to hand-build your own playlist with Notepad, and the shift + applications key to copy a path.
So one could open notepad, jump around to the files in the order that you want them played, and do shift + applications key and the letter A on each file, and pasting that path into Notepad, and then going to the next file for pasting into notepad and so on.
Then after saving the file, just rename the .TXT part to .WPL or whatever your playlist extension is.
Glenn

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

I seem to recall that winamp play lists were merely text files in any case and can be edited outside of the software in notepad or similar.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp


Agree. I don't remember who the add-on dev person or persons are. If any
knows by all means pass that INFO along to us and also to the NVDA add-ons
list.

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________________________________
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Roger Stewart
<paganus2@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 4:13:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

There is already an add on for Winamp so this function should probably be
added to it.

Roger









On 9/24/2018 2:07 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Jiles. Yeah that's one NVDA needs to look into now that Winamp finally is
making a come back possibly in October. Your right that NVDA does not read
the list of tracks. I'm thinking an add-on suggestion should be submitted
here.

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________________________________
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Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com><mailto:giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

Hi all,

I have another puzzling program issue, this time with Winamp.

I'm sure I've experienced this before,but I can't for the life of me
remember how I sorted it out!

It relates to the Winamp 5.666 edition. I use it on my home laptop, my
tablet computer and this new Dell laptop that I've got for university work.

For some reason I cannot navigate the playlist with NVDA. I suspect there is
a setting that relates to how tracks are displayed, but I can't spot it in
the preferences. The playlist window is definitely active.

If I move into the playlist I simply cannot navigate up and down the list.
All NVDA says is "List." I have a good 30 mp3s in the playlist and, even if
I start a new playlist and then enqueue a further set of mp3s, I remain
unable to navigate the playlist.

I didn't bring the Winamp 5.666 installer with me, unfortunately.

I installed the NVDA extended Winamp addon last night but that doesn't seem
to have changed anything.

Any suggestions very welcome.

Giles


Re: another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I seem to recall that winamp play lists were merely text files in any case and can be edited outside of the software in notepad or similar.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp


Agree. I don’t remember who the add-on dev person or persons are. If any knows by all means pass that INFO along to us and also to the NVDA add-ons list.

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________________________________
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 4:13:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

There is already an add on for Winamp so this function should probably be added to it.

Roger









On 9/24/2018 2:07 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Jiles. Yeah that’s one NVDA needs to look into now that Winamp finally is making a come back possibly in October. Your right that NVDA does not read the list of tracks. I’m thinking an add-on suggestion should be submitted here.

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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 11:11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] another puzzling seting - this time Winamp

Hi all,

I have another puzzling program issue, this time with Winamp.

I'm sure I've experienced this before,but I can't for the life of me remember how I sorted it out!

It relates to the Winamp 5.666 edition. I use it on my home laptop, my tablet computer and this new Dell laptop that I've got for university work.

For some reason I cannot navigate the playlist with NVDA. I suspect there is a setting that relates to how tracks are displayed, but I can't spot it in the preferences. The playlist window is definitely active.

If I move into the playlist I simply cannot navigate up and down the list. All NVDA says is “List.” I have a good 30 mp3s in the playlist and, even if I start a new playlist and then enqueue a further set of mp3s, I remain unable to navigate the playlist.

I didn't bring the Winamp 5.666 installer with me, unfortunately.

I installed the NVDA extended Winamp addon last night but that doesn't seem to have changed anything.

Any suggestions very welcome.

Giles


Re: stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I already asked this, as it used to be in those preferences, which sadly I no longer can access due to I know not what happening to windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media


How are you looking for the check box? Have you looked in the properties available from the system tray when you open the Drop Box menu in that way? I don't know if they are in properties, but the web site has a lot of accessibility problems and if you are using the web site, that may explain why you can't find the check box.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 3:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping DropBox from importing photos from removable media


Hi all,

I've recently installed DropBox onto a new laptop. On my other devices I've obviously managed to turn off importing photos but on this new laptop I need to make the required change in my account preferences.

First of all I searched the net for instructions on doing this but it said I should look for a chekcbox by the import photos or import photos and videos ... obviously the checkbox should be checked to allow importing and unchecked to disable it. I could find no such checkbox using NVDA.

SO I asked in the DropBox community and was told essentially the same advice ... use the checkbox.

Is there a reason I'm not finding the checkboxes with NVDA 2018.3.1 using browse mode or object navigation?

Any advice on turning this setting off would be very welcome!

thanks,

Giles


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 06:38 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
Consequently, there is the chance of someone forgetting that they have enabled this option [show password] if they have
A quick aside, I have yet to see an instance where this choice is persistent.  You must enable it every time you wish to use it and if you log out and go to log in again the default is always "hide."

While it is conceivably possible that someone might inadvertently activate "show password" accidentally via "twitchy finger mouse click (or other activation)" that is a remote possibility.  It's designed as non-persistent so that it requires conscious decision making to activate on the part of the end user for each and every use.
 
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Re: In-Process and information on NVDA Remote

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi, so the question is, Is Josephs build in effect the build the Remote team put up as the build it yourself release, and if not what will be the differences if they bring theirs out as a build in the near future, which is what is implied by your piece?
Sorry to nit pick, but I did used to get used to reading between the lines of press releases in a previous life.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process and information on NVDA Remote


Hi everyone, I've written an "In-Process" post today. Importantly in this
edition, is the link to the packaged version of NVDA Remote which works
with NVDA 2018.3.1. Thanks to Joseph Lee for providing the update. Also, a
bit of background on why some add-ons needed updates to begin with.

You can read this week's In-Process here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

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Re: serious problem with nvda 2018.3 with firefox

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Thanks for the information.
Though before the bug fix, I have already migrated to 64bit firefox.


Mohammadreza Rashad 於 24/9/2018 1:36 寫道:

Hello friends,
Please update your NVDA to version 2018.3.1; especially those who use
a 32-bit version of Firefox on 64-bit version of Windows.
According to the entry in What's new file:
NVDA 2018.3.1 is a minor release to fix a critical bug in NVDA which
caused 32 bit versions of Mozilla Firefox to crash.


Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

 

To be honest synth wize every one of them bar the code factory ones are quite expensive the way they are packaged at any rate.

Indevidual voices can be as little as 30 or as much as 70 but packages are not everything.

I can and will probably get the code factory vocaliser ones at 115 dollars.

On the subject of win7 units though, if you can obtain a legal copy of win7 you only need a 6th gen unit to install it on which is the last generation of cpu about.

You can still get some of those.

On 9/25/2018 11:26 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
I don't run Windows 10 right now, but there may come a time when I have a new computer and little choice. Then, I suppose the best course of action will be to leave ProTalker behind, get the updated Emoticons and just move on...

On 25/09/2018 12:11 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Looking at your situation, unless those add-ons are updated, you can't update. That might become an issue soon.


I do not recall if you run Windows 10 or not. If you do, you might have issues. If not, no really big issues.



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On 9/24/2018 7:35 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared to...










Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

I don't run Windows 10 right now, but there may come a time when I have a new computer and little choice. Then, I suppose the best course of action will be to leave ProTalker behind, get the updated Emoticons and just move on...


On 25/09/2018 12:11 PM, Governor staten wrote:

Looking at your situation, unless those add-ons are updated, you can't update. That might become an issue soon.


I do not recall if you run Windows 10 or not. If you do, you might have issues. If not, no really big issues.





On 9/24/2018 7:35 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest 
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a 
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old 
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing 
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon 
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA 
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared to...






Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Richard Bartholomew
 

As the original commentor on this – and that’s all it was, a comment, not an attack on anyone’s integrity – I am aware that passwords are usually hidden but there seem to be an increasing number of sites which allow you to show your password if you wish.  Consequently, there is the chance of someone forgetting that they have enabled this option if they have – probably more of a danger for a totally blind person who reads the screen linearly with their screenreader than it is for someone with useful vision who may spot that their password is showing even if they can’t actually read it! 

 

I thought it a consideration worth highlighting in case it hadn’t occurred to some and it simply seems sensible to me to minimise as much risk as possible!

 

Paranoia? What paranoia? I KNOW everyone is out to swindle me! 😊

 

Richard Bartholomew

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 25 September 2018 03:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

I think the person who wrote the first message expressing unwillingness hadn't considered that the password wouldn't be shown.  Of course, that person may comment on that if he/she wishes.  That being the case, as the song from West Side Story says, "You're well protected."

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:45 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

Hey Gene,

 

Mark this a red letter day; I totally agree with your sentiments.

 

 

On 9/24/2018 1:33 PM, Gene wrote:

I assume that in general, such people don't intend to do harm.  But I still would not show or share personal information wit them unless there were no alternative.  Hiding your password should be adequate protection.  But just as I don't assume that most volunteeers at the service would do me harm, I'm not going to assume that none of them will. 

If it is ever necessary to disclose personal information, I would disclose only what is necessary and nothing more.

 

Aside from that, I'm not sure using a service like this to solve a captcha would work.  You may want to comment on the clarity of what you see when someone sends a camera image of a screen to someone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

 

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:55 AM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

Also, you are placing a lot of faith in someone who will probably be able to see your logon details as well as the captcha!

Well, for myself, as a volunteer for Be My Eyes, I know very well both what the formal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior) and the informal rules are (which would forbid such unethical behavior).

Also, as has been pointed out, passwords themselves are virtually never shown by default, and I can't imagine there's any blind individual who would frequently wish to turn on the show password feature where it is available.

It is one thing to be cautious and another to be paranoid.  There is no reason to believe that people volunteering to assist in this way are doing so to do you harm.
 
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           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



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In-Process and information on NVDA Remote

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone, I've written an "In-Process" post today. Importantly in this edition, is the link to the packaged version of NVDA Remote which works with NVDA 2018.3.1. Thanks to Joseph Lee for providing the update. Also, a bit of background on why some add-ons needed updates to begin with.

You can read this week's In-Process here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

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