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Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Brian Crabtree
 

Thanks for the rapid reply. It was that simple!

I had been going by heading, table, list, etc as the other screens are organised in that way. I will also try tab in future. Brian


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

There is one more thing you can try.  I have no idea if it might work.  Move to the button in the usual way.  Then, turn off browse mode and press the space bar.  I doubt that will work but its one more thing to try.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Insert numpad minus has nothing to do with what you are doing.  the first procedure you described is the way you move the mouse to the current position and then left click it with numpad slash.  But whether the golden Cursor might be any more successful, I don't know.  If you had a physical mouse, you might be able to click it after using numpad insert slash to move the mouse to the button and that might work.  Or you might have to actually move the physical mouse to the correct position, then click it.  I don't know which of these might work.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

Insert numpad minus has nothing to do with what you are doing.  the first procedure you described is the way you move the mouse to the current position and then left click it with numpad slash.  But whether the golden Cursor might be any more successful, I don't know.  If you had a physical mouse, you might be able to click it after using numpad insert slash to move the mouse to the button and that might work.  Or you might have to actually move the physical mouse to the correct position, then click it.  I don't know which of these might work.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

I don't know.  I don't know if the problem is that you can't move to the button now or if the button can't be clicked with the mouse click in your screen-reader.  I suspect it’s the second reason but I don't know.  I think you could likely click it with a physical mouse but you may want to try the Golden Cursor first.  I haven't used it so I can't discuss how to work with it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Brian, Gene and group,


So would I benefit from the use of Golden Cursor?  Would it perhaps precisely locate the button and actually activate it?

Thanks.



On 9/25/2018 10:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Jen,


It actually says: 'submit button.'



On 9/26/2018 12:55 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Out of curiosity could the button be a graphic.


The reason i ask this I have seen even on my own banking website where they have used a graphic for the button and it will state graphic but acts as a button.


Or does it actually say button?


Gene nz



On 26/09/2018 2:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I just experimented with moving the mouse using Golden Cursor, and whether I left click using an actual left click on my mouse pad or number pad slash when I'm positioned over the "Reply" link to bring up the reply composition for Groups.io, or the "Reply to Group" button to send the message, both work.

The visual mouse position is the same as though I had moved it via the actual mouse pad. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Out of curiosity could the button be a graphic.


The reason i ask this I have seen even on my own banking website where they have used a graphic for the button and it will state graphic but acts as a button.


Or does it actually say button?


Gene nz



On 26/09/2018 2:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I just experimented with moving the mouse using Golden Cursor, and whether I left click using an actual left click on my mouse pad or number pad slash when I'm positioned over the "Reply" link to bring up the reply composition for Groups.io, or the "Reply to Group" button to send the message, both work.

The visual mouse position is the same as though I had moved it via the actual mouse pad. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian, Gene and group,


So would I benefit from the use of Golden Cursor?  Would it perhaps precisely locate the button and actually activate it?

Thanks.



On 9/25/2018 10:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I hadn't considered using NVDA to move the mouse and then clicking the actual mouse.
This is a trick I try to teach everyone I work with, as there are just too many occasions when, for whatever reason, the screen reader left and/or right click functions simply will not work.  It's not like it's many times daily, not anything like that, but it always seems to happen at the most inconvenient times.

On laptops this is a cinch, as you have the left and right click hard buttons, and so long as the mouse pad is isolated from being touched they're easier to use than any of their functional equivalents.  For "real mice" you can either block the scanning light on an optical mouse or, if the mouse has a removable ball when it's a mechanical mouse, just remove it and moving the mouse doesn't move the pointer.

When it comes to accessibility the whole affair is, when it comes right down to it, a huge collection of workarounds.  Sometimes there are a few additional ones that can be put into the mix.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

That sounds like another way to do what I had in mind.  I hadn't considered using NVDA to move the mouse and then clicking the actual mouse.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron,

           If  the number pad slash is not working as a left mouse click when you have the mouse pointer positioned where it should be with Golden Cursor, you can also use the "immobile mouse" trick.  This is much easier to do if your system has an optical mouse, which you can tape over the laser source on the bottom that reads movement and still be able to move the mouse without it thinking it's moved.  If it's an older mouse with a ball you can tape the mouse into place on your desktop out of the way somewhere, but be able to hit the actual left click and right click button when needed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

By the way, I just experimented with moving the mouse using Golden Cursor, and whether I left click using an actual left click on my mouse pad or number pad slash when I'm positioned over the "Reply" link to bring up the reply composition for Groups.io, or the "Reply to Group" button to send the message, both work.

The visual mouse position is the same as though I had moved it via the actual mouse pad. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

Ron,

           If  the number pad slash is not working as a left mouse click when you have the mouse pointer positioned where it should be with Golden Cursor, you can also use the "immobile mouse" trick.  This is much easier to do if your system has an optical mouse, which you can tape over the laser source on the bottom that reads movement and still be able to move the mouse without it thinking it's moved.  If it's an older mouse with a ball you can tape the mouse into place on your desktop out of the way somewhere, but be able to hit the actual left click and right click button when needed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

You may have to use a physical mouse.  As I understand it, NVDA announces what is under the physical mouse when you move it.  The golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.  it is not different in what it works with, rather it adds ways to move it or assign a location to move it to when you want to move it to a location.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Group,


I have been using my bank's online services for a number of years now. 
They have a double security set up. When you first log in, you must pick
a captcha word or expression and save it and remember it and also a
graphical image.  Every time Windows gets a major update or sometimes
it's an architectural change to the website/security of the bank
(whatever that is) you have to reset the security settings.


It happened again this week.  I tried logging in and instead of just the
nromal user name and password, I had to reset the security settings.
Actually this hasn't been as bad as it could be because each of the
images (there are a choice of 20 in all) is defined by NVDA as image
200.jpg, image 201.jpg image 202.jpg and so on.  These images are
consistently associated with the same images, so that isn't the
problem.  This time however, when I had made my choices and move down to
the submit button and try to click it with the space bar, the enter key,
the routing/mouse keystrokes, nothing happens.  I tried this with NVDA,
Narrator and JAWS.  Nothing works.


I seem to remember that on this list, there is some sort of aid for such
instances where you can actually take control over the mouse with
keystrokes and click it in this way.  Am I wrong about this?  It might
have been called something like Golden Cursor or something.  I am using
a desktop PC with Windows ten latest builds.


if anyone nows what I am talking about, I would greatly appreciate some
advice.


Thanks in advance for anyhelp.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: In-Process and information on NVDA Remote

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

Unfortunately, all I know is what I included in the piece.  The NVDA Remote team promised to release their update as soon as NVDA 2018.3 was out.  They haven't done that.  Everybody needed a working version of NVDA Remote, and ideally wanted to be running the latest version of NVDA with it.  No-one has heard from the NVDA remote team and Joseph had built a working version which worked with NVDA 2018.3.  So, at this stage, we're calling that the useable solution.  If anything changes, we'll be sure to let everyone know.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:03 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi, so the question is, Is Josephs build in effect the build the  Remote
team put up as the build it yourself release, and if not what will be the
differences if they bring theirs out as a build in the near future, which is
what is implied by your piece?
 Sorry to nit pick, but I did used to get used to reading between the lines
of press releases in a previous life.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process and information on NVDA Remote


> Hi everyone, I've written an "In-Process" post today. Importantly in this
> edition, is the link to the packaged version of NVDA Remote which works
> with NVDA 2018.3.1. Thanks to Joseph Lee for providing the update. Also, a
> bit of background on why some add-ons needed updates to begin with.
>
> You can read this week's In-Process here:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>






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Update on Focus Blie driver install

E.T.
 

Update on the Focus driver. I installed the Jaws demo which installed the necessary driver when the display was connected to USB. I was able to update the Focus firmware. But NVDA still does not see the Focus and I still cannot get the driver to install. So can't use the display with my Windows VM. Should do fine with the Mac and iOS devices.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?


Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I have been using my bank's online services for a number of years now.  They have a double security set up. When you first log in, you must pick a captcha word or expression and save it and remember it and also a graphical image.  Every time Windows gets a major update or sometimes it's an architectural change to the website/security of the bank (whatever that is) you have to reset the security settings.


It happened again this week.  I tried logging in and instead of just the nromal user name and password, I had to reset the security settings. Actually this hasn't been as bad as it could be because each of the images (there are a choice of 20 in all) is defined by NVDA as image 200.jpg, image 201.jpg image 202.jpg and so on.  These images are consistently associated with the same images, so that isn't the problem.  This time however, when I had made my choices and move down to the submit button and try to click it with the space bar, the enter key, the routing/mouse keystrokes, nothing happens.  I tried this with NVDA, Narrator and JAWS.  Nothing works.


I seem to remember that on this list, there is some sort of aid for such instances where you can actually take control over the mouse with keystrokes and click it in this way.  Am I wrong about this?  It might have been called something like Golden Cursor or something.  I am using a desktop PC with Windows ten latest builds.


if anyone nows what I am talking about, I would greatly appreciate some advice.


Thanks in advance for anyhelp.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: CAPTCHA Be Gone abandoned also?

Kwork
 

And has already happened with Chicken Nugget. Same developer.

On 9/24/2018 7:51 PM, Rob Hudson wrote:
Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
That's two for two today.  The only thing I think was kind of bad about
the way this happened is that the original developer of this program
didn't tell anyone that he was discontinuing the service/software.
That particular developer is famous for that particular trait. I fear the same thing will happen with NVDA remote, QRead and anything else he has up.


.


Re: I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

Kwork
 

Or grabbing the update from the website, installing it as a portable version, in a folder of your choosing which you can choose to do at setup, then running it as a portable copy to see how add-ons work. You can have an infinite number of portable copies of NVDA on the computer, just make sure each one is in a separate folder so they won't overwrite each other. This way you can test your old add-ons without updating your installed copy first.

Travis

On 9/24/2018 5:21 PM, Gene wrote:
Is there any reason to update?  Just because an update, I'm not talking about security updates, but a program update that introduces new features occurs, that doesn't mean you have to update.  Usually, you can see information about what is new in a program on the web site.  People would save themselves trouble, perhaps a lot of trouble over time, if they don't just reflexively update. 
 
In terms of NVDA, there are some major technical changes coming and being worked on in the program.  Many add-ons that work currently won't work in future versions unless they are updated by the developers.  I don't know how many will be.  I don't know when this will occur to a significant extent.  it already has regarding certain add-ons. 
 
I would suggest reading about what's new and deciding whether to update NVDA, not just updating because there is one. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 6:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] I have a couple addons that are several years old that I want to keep, so I'm guessing I shouldn't update NVDA at this time...

Hey,


I've been hearing a lot over the grapevine about issues with the latest
NVDA being incompatible with various addons due to changes, and I have a
couple synth addons that are several years old, as well as an old
version of the Emoticons addon. I've been pretty anxious about messing
with computer stuff lately, and the last time I went to update an addon
I had to remove it from the Appdata because uninstalling it in NVDA
didn't work. I haven't updated since 2018.1 and part of me is scared to...