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Re: NVDA remote

 

Well, you and the client can keep coppies of your keys though to be honest especially if you autoconnect to something, your system should be password protected so no one can get access to the files.

Sadly there is no way to secure the text files themselves, for autoconnections.

If the files got encripted maybe it would be more secure.

If a key never changes, a zipped protected file would be fine to save them I guess.

However, for safety's sake I'd always use the random key generator, each time you start a new session your client will need you to say a random key back to them.

Its how all the major support people do it including microsoft, I have seen especially with all the computer scams that 4 keys need to be entered in boxes for extra security.

On 9/26/2018 7:30 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I would like suggestions for best practices for remembering clients keys when using nvda remote options.
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Re: NVDA remote server refusing to auto start on debian8, any ideas?

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi,

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 09:53:03 +0100, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

I am trying to get the NVDA remote server available on git hub
running on my server running debian8 Jessie.
Are there any errors in the logs or can the server be executed in debug mode to get more information? Without an error message or more detailed logs it is hart to find the problem...

Cheers,

Schoepp


NVDA remote server refusing to auto start on debian8, any ideas?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hello Everyone.


I am new here, so please forgive me if this has been covered before. I am trying to get the NVDA remote server available on git hub running on my server running debian8 Jessie.


I have done the  following to get version 1.8 installed and running, but debian still refuses to automatically start the server on boot. I am executing all commands as root.


git clone https://github.com/jmdaweb/NVDARemoteServer.git


cd NVDARemoteServer/debian8


sudo chmod +x build.sh


sudo ./build.sh


sudo dpkg -i nvda-remote-server_1.8.deb


sudo NVDARemoteServer enable


In the past, the above commands have worked fine on debian7. Running the latest versions of all packages available for jessie. Anyone have any ideas on what else I can try?


Cheers,


Mo.


NVDA remote

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I would like suggestions for best practices for remembering clients keys when using nvda remote options. 
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2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi all.

While the e-mail I forwarded to demonstrate the problem is in portuguese,, I hope it could help.

The problem is:

If I read this e-mail using the arrow Keys in the mail app, some sentences are double read. It happens also with the first link. 

However, if I use the tab key to navigate the links, the first link  is speaked correctly.

I also accessed gmail through google schrome and read the e-mail there. The sentences are not duplicated.

 

I guess it is related to the e-mail’s format (it has tables).

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Americanas.com
Enviado:terça-feira, 25 de setembro de 2018 11:44
Para: alexandretoco@...
Assunto: Confirme se você já recebeu seu produto

 

Este é um e-mail automático, não é necessário respondê-lo.

Olá, Alexandre Alves Tôco.
Queremos ajudá-lo se você teve algum problema com a sua compra.

Você recebeu o produto?

Sim

Não

 

Pedido 02-676198462 - Entrega 01

 

Headphone Com Microfone E Controle De Volume USB 2.0 Df-55

Vendido por MINI MUNDO ELETRO
e entregue por Americanas

Qtd
1

Se você não responder esta pergunta até o dia 01/10/2018, vamos considerar que seu produto foi entregue.

Acesso rápido a atualizações do seu pedido?

Rastreie sua entrega, tire dúvidas e ainda avalie seus produtos.

Minha conta

Minha conta

 


Re: NVDA 2018.3.2 is out!

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Thanks.

Quentin Christensen 於 26/9/2018 16:48 寫道:

We are busy at the moment, ladies and gentlemen!

Announcing NVDA 2018.3.2 for your downloading and enjoyment.

As usual, being a "point" release, it only addresses one specific, but severe crash - this time, a crash in Google Chrome when navigating tweets on the Twitter website.

NVDA should offer the update the first time you start it tomorrow, otherwise you can manually check for updates, or head over to the regular download page to grab it: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

Don't forget to catch up on yesterday's In-Process (also updated) and be sure you have Joseph Lee's NVDA Remote update to work with the new version: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

Kind regards

Quentin.



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NVDA 2018.3.2 is out!

Quentin Christensen
 

We are busy at the moment, ladies and gentlemen!

Announcing NVDA 2018.3.2 for your downloading and enjoyment.

As usual, being a "point" release, it only addresses one specific, but severe crash - this time, a crash in Google Chrome when navigating tweets on the Twitter website.

NVDA should offer the update the first time you start it tomorrow, otherwise you can manually check for updates, or head over to the regular download page to grab it: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

Don't forget to catch up on yesterday's In-Process (also updated) and be sure you have Joseph Lee's NVDA Remote update to work with the new version: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-25-september-2018/

Kind regards

Quentin.



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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie


Re: Microsoft Word 2016 stop working.

Daniele Casarola
 

Any support for this issue?

At the same time I use also Microsoft Excel and also in this application something wrong sometime: voice stops reading when I move from cell to cell and application stop working until I don't close NVDA.

Other users have problems with Microsoft Office?

Thanks again.

Daniele.


Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Brian Crabtree
 

Thanks for the rapid reply. It was that simple!

I had been going by heading, table, list, etc as the other screens are organised in that way. I will also try tab in future. Brian


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

There is one more thing you can try.  I have no idea if it might work.  Move to the button in the usual way.  Then, turn off browse mode and press the space bar.  I doubt that will work but its one more thing to try.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Insert numpad minus has nothing to do with what you are doing.  the first procedure you described is the way you move the mouse to the current position and then left click it with numpad slash.  But whether the golden Cursor might be any more successful, I don't know.  If you had a physical mouse, you might be able to click it after using numpad insert slash to move the mouse to the button and that might work.  Or you might have to actually move the physical mouse to the correct position, then click it.  I don't know which of these might work.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
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Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

Insert numpad minus has nothing to do with what you are doing.  the first procedure you described is the way you move the mouse to the current position and then left click it with numpad slash.  But whether the golden Cursor might be any more successful, I don't know.  If you had a physical mouse, you might be able to click it after using numpad insert slash to move the mouse to the button and that might work.  Or you might have to actually move the physical mouse to the correct position, then click it.  I don't know which of these might work.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

I don't know.  I don't know if the problem is that you can't move to the button now or if the button can't be clicked with the mouse click in your screen-reader.  I suspect it’s the second reason but I don't know.  I think you could likely click it with a physical mouse but you may want to try the Golden Cursor first.  I haven't used it so I can't discuss how to work with it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Hi Brian, Gene and group,


So would I benefit from the use of Golden Cursor?  Would it perhaps precisely locate the button and actually activate it?

Thanks.



On 9/25/2018 10:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
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Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Jen,


It actually says: 'submit button.'



On 9/26/2018 12:55 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Out of curiosity could the button be a graphic.


The reason i ask this I have seen even on my own banking website where they have used a graphic for the button and it will state graphic but acts as a button.


Or does it actually say button?


Gene nz



On 26/09/2018 2:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I just experimented with moving the mouse using Golden Cursor, and whether I left click using an actual left click on my mouse pad or number pad slash when I'm positioned over the "Reply" link to bring up the reply composition for Groups.io, or the "Reply to Group" button to send the message, both work.

The visual mouse position is the same as though I had moved it via the actual mouse pad. 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Out of curiosity could the button be a graphic.


The reason i ask this I have seen even on my own banking website where they have used a graphic for the button and it will state graphic but acts as a button.


Or does it actually say button?


Gene nz



On 26/09/2018 2:46 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I just experimented with moving the mouse using Golden Cursor, and whether I left click using an actual left click on my mouse pad or number pad slash when I'm positioned over the "Reply" link to bring up the reply composition for Groups.io, or the "Reply to Group" button to send the message, both work.

The visual mouse position is the same as though I had moved it via the actual mouse pad. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


I want to make sure I am understanding this correctly.  I have been using the keystrokes insert + numpad slash when highlighting the submit button and have then pressed the numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  I have also tried insert + numpad minus to highlight the item and have then used numpad slash by itself to try to activate it.  Am I missing something else?

Thanks again.



On 9/25/2018 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Brian, Gene and group,


So would I benefit from the use of Golden Cursor?  Would it perhaps precisely locate the button and actually activate it?

Thanks.



On 9/25/2018 10:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

 

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I hadn't considered using NVDA to move the mouse and then clicking the actual mouse.
This is a trick I try to teach everyone I work with, as there are just too many occasions when, for whatever reason, the screen reader left and/or right click functions simply will not work.  It's not like it's many times daily, not anything like that, but it always seems to happen at the most inconvenient times.

On laptops this is a cinch, as you have the left and right click hard buttons, and so long as the mouse pad is isolated from being touched they're easier to use than any of their functional equivalents.  For "real mice" you can either block the scanning light on an optical mouse or, if the mouse has a removable ball when it's a mechanical mouse, just remove it and moving the mouse doesn't move the pointer.

When it comes to accessibility the whole affair is, when it comes right down to it, a huge collection of workarounds.  Sometimes there are a few additional ones that can be put into the mix.
 
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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

That sounds like another way to do what I had in mind.  I hadn't considered using NVDA to move the mouse and then clicking the actual mouse.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Ron,

           If  the number pad slash is not working as a left mouse click when you have the mouse pointer positioned where it should be with Golden Cursor, you can also use the "immobile mouse" trick.  This is much easier to do if your system has an optical mouse, which you can tape over the laser source on the bottom that reads movement and still be able to move the mouse without it thinking it's moved.  If it's an older mouse with a ball you can tape the mouse into place on your desktop out of the way somewhere, but be able to hit the actual left click and right click button when needed.

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    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

Developers may want to comment.
 
I call it the virtual mouse but technically, I'm not sure what it should be called.  As I understand it, whether you route the mouse with the NVDA numpad command or with the Golden Triangle, you are routing the actual thing the physical mouse moves.  You can see what you can do in this case but I wouldn't be surprised if you have to use a physical mouse and click the physical mouse.  there are times, I don't know why, when I can move the mouse with the numpad command to the right place and clicking it does nothing.  I suspect I could use a physical mouse and click it successfully instead.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Gene wrote:
he golden cursor, I believe, works with the same virtual mouse as NVDA does.
Well, whatever it works with it actually moves the physical mouse pointer along with it.    The position is expressed based on the actual screen resolution, which is why if you're sharing location data you have to be sure that the screen resolution on both machines is the same and that the window in question is maximized.

When I move the mouse using Golden Cursor it moves precisely as though I were moving the mouse itself (but, of course, a bit more orderly since arrow keys are being used).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell