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Re: The latest versions of NVDA will not install on my Acer Swift Notebook

Brian's Mail list account
 

If this is the first time you have installed nvda and its a new machine. My main finger of blame is that it needs a bloatware clean down session if not a total reinstall.
Avast is almost like a virus and seems to be on every large store purchased machine just like Norton used to be, indeed some manufacturers fit it.
There are also often free trial versions of all sorts of rubbish installed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] The latest versions of NVDA will not install on my Acer Swift Notebook


The machine is running Windows 10 home, presumably a recent update. The last version that will install is 2018.2.1.
Subsequent attempts to install end with the Windows error message instalation terminated by User. I have not taken any
action
since pressing the install button. The machine eventually returns to a normal window, but memory has been corrupted. I
have to restart to get things to work normally.

John

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Re: NVDA 2018.3.2 definitely not Sluggish

Felix G.
 

Maybe it wasn't the update but the subsequent restart that did the trick.
Am Do., 27. Sep. 2018 um 11:30 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io <bglists@...>:


That is very peculiar, as on the face of it this should only affect you if
you wre running the Chrome browser on Twitter web site.


Anyone care to postulate on this? Coincidence perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: "'Quentin Christensen'" <quentin@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: FW: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 definitely not Sluggish


I'm just writing to confirm that all the sluggish symptoms which I reported
for NVDA 2018.3.1 disappeared immediately after installing NVDA 2018.3.2

Thanks team!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:16 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: 'Quentin Christensen' <quentin@...>
Subject: RE: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 not Sluggish

Rui,

I notice that the key action is more lively now in NVDA 2018.3.2 which I
have just downloaded.

I tested it on the file menus that were sluggish this afternoon and all is
well now. There is no longer any lag there.
I'll keep an eye on it and report again in a few days.

Looks good though!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:



Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from
the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that
the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line,
or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes
silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on
with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop
arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active
and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be
causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between
similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: NVDA 2018.3.2 definitely not Sluggish

Brian's Mail list account
 

That is very peculiar, as on the face of it this should only affect you if you wre running the Chrome browser on Twitter web site.


Anyone care to postulate on this? Coincidence perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: "'Quentin Christensen'" <quentin@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:27 AM
Subject: FW: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 definitely not Sluggish


I'm just writing to confirm that all the sluggish symptoms which I reported for NVDA 2018.3.1 disappeared immediately after installing NVDA 2018.3.2

Thanks team!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:16 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: 'Quentin Christensen' <quentin@...>
Subject: RE: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 not Sluggish

Rui,

I notice that the key action is more lively now in NVDA 2018.3.2 which I have just downloaded.

I tested it on the file menus that were sluggish this afternoon and all is well now. There is no longer any lag there.
I'll keep an eye on it and report again in a few days.

Looks good though!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:



Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from
the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that
the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line,
or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes
silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on
with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop
arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active
and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be
causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between
similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: BBC Web site has been changed again

Peter Beasley
 

                                I have never heard of the radio 9 player. Can you give details about it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 26 September 2018 19:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

 

Unfortunately I need certain podcasts for the talking newspaper.

Eventually I woke somebody up who put up the podcast  after a long wait.

However I often use the  radio  9 player as its just far more convenient

than the bbc overcluttered over featured web site for listening and can also

save an mp3 version of a show if you want to keep it.

 

If nobody else is having issue with the log in on the bbc I'll get some

sighted help to see what is really going on.

Bah humbug.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

 

 

>I don't even bother with the BBC site. I'll probably just get rid of those

> programs since I don't really use them anyway.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Brian's

> Mail list account via Groups.Io

> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:50 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

> It seems dear reader that the bbc web site even for people in the UK is

> asking you to log in, but my credentials are regected. After some messing

> about it seems unable to be satisfied. it took my re registration then

> asked

> me to sign in, and then said it was invalid as it needed a character which

> was not a letter. So back we go and try re registering and add a number we

> then get invalid characters in your password.

> I know its probably not NVDA related unless my computer is sending

> something not told to me, but this is merely the radio I player, a service

> in the UK which has no  age limit or licence requirements and used, until

> today be just accessible and palyayable.

> Why web sites seem to think they can mess people about I have no idea.

> It wants age date of birth post code etc, which is silly for radio catch

> up.

> This has also stopped the Web Ie utility from working as well as it cannot

> download the program list any more.

> I do sometimes winder if those who build site think before they do stuff.

> I also understand that the new site from my energy supplier is now

> completely inaccessible as well.

> Oh its no my day. Amazon Echo went off line about 9 am and is still down.

> I think I'll go for a lie down.

> Brian

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>

 

 

 

 


RES: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

The problem occurs only in Windows mail app.

If I access gmail through schrome or Firefox and read the same e-mail, the problem desappear.

To verify that there is  a table, with the e-mail opened I choose reply and read it again in edition mode this time.

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: marcio via Groups.Io
Enviado:quinta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2018 00:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

 

Hmm... the only thing I didn't do was open this mail on the Windows 10 Mail app. And after I sent this reply I did notice that you mention that the e-mail had tabs. Here the tabs didn't appear.
Maybe that's because I'm using Thunderbird, maybe that's not, I don't know.
Anyway you also mentioned that it happens on the browser if I'm not mistaken. Definitely this is too weird.
Have you tried opening the e-mail on another app like what I use?

P.S.: I'm running Windows 10 64 bits too.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 26/09/2018 23:31, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hi Marcio!

The first link whose text is “sim”.

This problem occurs if I open the message in window10 mail app and read the message with the arrow Keys.

I don’t know if it matters, but I am running windows10 64 bits.

 

Cheers

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: marcio via Groups.Io
Enviado:quarta-feira, 26 de setembro de 2018 11:34
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

 

Hi,
  What links are being double reading?
I tried to reproduce step by step following the example you sent and all seems to work as expected here.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 26/09/2018 07:04, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hi all.

While the e-mail I forwarded to demonstrate the problem is in portuguese,, I hope it could help.

The problem is:

If I read this e-mail using the arrow Keys in the mail app, some sentences are double read. It happens also with the first link. 

However, if I use the tab key to navigate the links, the first link  is speaked correctly.

I also accessed gmail through google schrome and read the e-mail there. The sentences are not duplicated.

 

I guess it is related to the e-mail’s format (it has tables).

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Americanas.com
Enviado:terça-feira, 25 de setembro de 2018 11:44
Para: alexandretoco@...
Assunto: Confirme se você já recebeu seu produto

 

 

 

 

 


FW: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 definitely not Sluggish

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

I'm just writing to confirm that all the sluggish symptoms which I reported for NVDA 2018.3.1 disappeared immediately after installing NVDA 2018.3.2

Thanks team!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 11:16 PM
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Cc: 'Quentin Christensen' <quentin@...>
Subject: RE: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.2 not Sluggish

Rui,

I notice that the key action is more lively now in NVDA 2018.3.2 which I have just downloaded.

I tested it on the file menus that were sluggish this afternoon and all is well now. There is no longer any lag there.
I'll keep an eye on it and report again in a few days.

Looks good though!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:



Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from
the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that
the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line,
or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes
silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on
with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop
arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active
and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be
causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between
similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@...
--
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Re: The latest versions of NVDA will not install on my Acer Swift Notebook

Brian's Mail list account
 

What anti virus are you using?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 9:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] The latest versions of NVDA will not install on my Acer Swift Notebook


The machine is running Windows 10 home, presumably a recent update. The last version that will install is 2018.2.1.
Subsequent attempts to install end with the Windows error message instalation terminated by User. I have not taken any
action
since pressing the install button. The machine eventually returns to a normal window, but memory has been corrupted. I
have to restart to get things to work normally.

John

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Re: Moderation on Most Open Forums

Brian's Mail list account
 

No me neither. The main crime forum me and others is topic drift, too many replies in a thread and off topic posting.
I do have some excuses for the middle one due to the odd order posts here turn up in at times!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 12:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Moderation on Most Open Forums


Earlier today, the following question was posed: If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be checked before allowing such posts on the list?

It isn't, and they're not, on virtually any forum you can name. I don't moderate here, but do elsewhere on Groups.io and on BleepingComputer.com. The vast majority of group owners and moderators are volunteers, and we have neither the time nor inclination to try to closely monitor the offerings of the membership.

Some will moderate the first post, or first several posts, of anyone joining just to make sure it's a real person and not a bot and that the real person is not a spammer.

If someone finds something problematic then they should report it. I haven't hit a bad click-through link on any one of the three blind technology forums I participate on in the entire time I've been haunting their cyber halls.

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The latest versions of NVDA will not install on my Acer Swift Notebook

John J. Boyer
 

The machine is running Windows 10 home, presumably a recent update. The last version that will install is 2018.2.1.
Subsequent attempts to install end with the Windows error message instalation terminated by User. I have not taken any
action
since pressing the install button. The machine eventually returns to a normal window, but memory has been corrupted. I
have to restart to get things to work normally.

John

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Email: john.boyer@...
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Tracking focus in Windows Explorer

Felix G.
 

Hi,
issue #8788 created on this. While the actual issue in itself may seem
pretty irrelevant, I feel it has more serious correlates, meaning a
fix may make other issues go away as well and will make the entire
interface feel less flaky.
Best,
Felix


Re: Santander UK online banking - logon problem

Brian Crabtree
 

I think both suggestions are the same. Using Tab, I was able to log in without problems. The second page doesn’t ask for the whole password or security number, it says e.g. “third, edit, protected”. From previously having read through the whole page, I understood to which field it was referring. Brian 


Re: BBC Web site has been changed again

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

The Webbie version of BBC I Player seems to have started working again
albeit in an abbreviated fashion.
Cheers,

Akbar



On 9/27/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Unfortunately I need certain podcasts for the talking newspaper.
Eventually I woke somebody up who put up the podcast after a long wait.
However I often use the radio 9 player as its just far more convenient
than the bbc overcluttered over featured web site for listening and can also

save an mp3 version of a show if you want to keep it.

If nobody else is having issue with the log in on the bbc I'll get some
sighted help to see what is really going on.
Bah humbug.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again


I don't even bother with the BBC site. I'll probably just get rid of those
programs since I don't really use them anyway.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] BBC Web site has been changed again

It seems dear reader that the bbc web site even for people in the UK is
asking you to log in, but my credentials are regected. After some messing
about it seems unable to be satisfied. it took my re registration then
asked
me to sign in, and then said it was invalid as it needed a character
which
was not a letter. So back we go and try re registering and add a number
we
then get invalid characters in your password.
I know its probably not NVDA related unless my computer is sending
something not told to me, but this is merely the radio I player, a
service
in the UK which has no age limit or licence requirements and used, until
today be just accessible and palyayable.
Why web sites seem to think they can mess people about I have no idea.
It wants age date of birth post code etc, which is silly for radio catch
up.
This has also stopped the Web Ie utility from working as well as it
cannot
download the program list any more.
I do sometimes winder if those who build site think before they do stuff.
I also understand that the new site from my energy supplier is now
completely inaccessible as well.
Oh its no my day. Amazon Echo went off line about 9 am and is still down.
I think I'll go for a lie down.
Brian

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Re: 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

 

Hmm... the only thing I didn't do was open this mail on the Windows 10 Mail app. And after I sent this reply I did notice that you mention that the e-mail had tabs. Here the tabs didn't appear.
Maybe that's because I'm using Thunderbird, maybe that's not, I don't know.
Anyway you also mentioned that it happens on the browser if I'm not mistaken. Definitely this is too weird.
Have you tried opening the e-mail on another app like what I use?
P.S.: I'm running Windows 10 64 bits too.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 26/09/2018 23:31, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hi Marcio!

The first link whose text is “sim”.

This problem occurs if I open the message in window10 mail app and read the message with the arrow Keys.

I don’t know if it matters, but I am running windows10 64 bits.

 

Cheers

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: marcio via Groups.Io
Enviado:quarta-feira, 26 de setembro de 2018 11:34
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

 

Hi,
  What links are being double reading?
I tried to reproduce step by step following the example you sent and all seems to work as expected here.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 26/09/2018 07:04, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hi all.

While the e-mail I forwarded to demonstrate the problem is in portuguese,, I hope it could help.

The problem is:

If I read this e-mail using the arrow Keys in the mail app, some sentences are double read. It happens also with the first link. 

However, if I use the tab key to navigate the links, the first link  is speaked correctly.

I also accessed gmail through google schrome and read the e-mail there. The sentences are not duplicated.

 

I guess it is related to the e-mail’s format (it has tables).

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Americanas.com
Enviado:terça-feira, 25 de setembro de 2018 11:44
Para: alexandretoco@...
Assunto: Confirme se você já recebeu seu produto

 

 

 

 



RES: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi Marcio!

The first link whose text is “sim”.

This problem occurs if I open the message in window10 mail app and read the message with the arrow Keys.

I don’t know if it matters, but I am running windows10 64 bits.

 

Cheers

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: marcio via Groups.Io
Enviado:quarta-feira, 26 de setembro de 2018 11:34
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] 2018.3.2 double speech in windows10 mail

 

Hi,
  What links are being double reading?
I tried to reproduce step by step following the example you sent and all seems to work as expected here.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 26/09/2018 07:04, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hi all.

While the e-mail I forwarded to demonstrate the problem is in portuguese,, I hope it could help.

The problem is:

If I read this e-mail using the arrow Keys in the mail app, some sentences are double read. It happens also with the first link. 

However, if I use the tab key to navigate the links, the first link  is speaked correctly.

I also accessed gmail through google schrome and read the e-mail there. The sentences are not duplicated.

 

I guess it is related to the e-mail’s format (it has tables).

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Americanas.com
Enviado:terça-feira, 25 de setembro de 2018 11:44
Para: alexandretoco@...
Assunto: Confirme se você já recebeu seu produto

 

 

 


Update on Focus Blie driver install

E.T.
 

I have been in contact with Freedom Scientific. They do not have any experience with VMs so I am hoping some of you who operate a Windows 7 VM on a Mac can shed some light on this issue I posted below.

Posted yesterday...
Update on the Focus driver. I installed the Jaws demo which installed the necessary driver when the display was connected to USB. I was able to update the Focus firmware. But NVDA still does not see the Focus and I still cannot get the driver to install. So can't use the display with my Windows VM. Should do fine with the Mac and iOS devices.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Ancient.Aliens@...
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?


Moderation on Most Open Forums

 

Earlier today, the following question was posed:   If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be checked before allowing such posts on the list?

It isn't, and they're not, on virtually any forum you can name.  I don't moderate here, but do elsewhere on Groups.io and on BleepingComputer.com.  The vast majority of group owners and moderators are volunteers, and we have neither the time nor inclination to try to closely monitor the offerings of the membership.

Some will moderate the first post, or first several posts, of anyone joining just to make sure it's a real person and not a bot and that the real person is not a spammer.

If someone finds something problematic then they should report it.  I haven't hit a bad click-through link on any one of the three blind technology forums I participate on in the entire time I've been haunting their cyber halls.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

Gene
 

It may not be hijacking.  It may be that the message was placed in this thread because the wrong thread was replied to by accident. 
 
As far as the suggestion that all links be approved, that is not possible if, for no other reason, than that lists don't have a provision for requiring messages with links to be approved while allowing those without links to be sent without moderator approval. 
 
I also think that members should be responsible for determining what they do or do not click on.  People should be responsible for what they do.If they are not allowed to be responsible, how will they learn to be responsible and to follow proper safety rules of Internet use for themselves.  Lists are not nannies.  Sometimes, an unfortunate mistake causes someone to really start taking their own safety seriously.  If they aren't following safe practices on lists in terms of their Internet behavior, then they are likely not following safe practices in general. 
 
Since either the wrong thread on this list or perhaps a thread on an entirely different list was intended to be replied to, we can't discuss whatever links are being objected to.  As far as I know, there aren't any objectionable links in this thread.
 
I am discussing my views of this matter but I am not moderating in this case.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On My Banking Site

    And neither are these responses, including mine. (smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
    Ancient.Aliens@...
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/26/2018 12:38 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
> Sounds like hijacking to me too. That post from Carlos wasn't necessary.
>
> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
> *Ron Canazzi
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:00 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
> *Subject:* Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit Button On
> My Banking Site
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> Why did you post this item about list moderators in the  thread
> concerning the submit button issue?  Sounds like hijacking to me!
>
> On 9/26/2018 12:37 PM, Carlos wrote:
>
>          Is it not the responsibility of those who read these post to
>     decide if they want to click on unfamiliar web links?
>
>          If the list is monitored by moderators is it not their
>     responsibility to make sure that all posts that contain web links be
>     checked before allowing such posts on the list?
>
>          It should be mandatory that all posts on the list which contain
>     web links be thoroughly checked out before being allowed on the list.
>
>          On more than one occasion posts have gotten on this list which
>     should have been checked out by moderators before having ever been
>     allowed on the list!
>
>          There should be some kind of filtering rules set up to make
>     sure that posts that have web links be kept out until the moderators
>     checked them out.
>
>          List moderators need to look at all the changes that are
>     happening all over the internet to monitor content before it ever
>     gets to anyone's browsers!
>
>          And yes! I know that I will be called into the principal's
>     office for having posted this publicly on the list for everyone to
>     read!  However, we all need to ask the moderators to keep the list
>     as uncluttered as possible!
>
>     On 9/26/2018 8:04 AM, Gene wrote:
>
>         That's largely because of poor training, however.  Not for
>         everything, but for a lot of what people do, you can learn
>         perhaps ten or fifteen commands that are different for a
>         different screen-reader and do a lot of what you could do
>         before.  Most of what people do uses Windows or program
>         commands.  a different screen-reader may use different screen
>         review commands and a different command for read title bar and
>         certain other commands, but a lot of what people do would be the
>         same because a lot of what is done doesn't use screen-reader
>         commands.
>
>         Gene
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>
>         *From:* Ervin, Glenn <mailto:glenn.ervin@...>
>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2018 9:43 AM
>
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit
>         Button On My Banking Site
>
>         Although this concept of using multiple screenreaders is okay
>         for those of us who can do that, but if it comes to that as
>         generally accepted practice, then the majority of users are left
>         behind.
>
>         Glenn
>
>         *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
>         *Brian Vogel
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:48 AM
>         *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>         *Subject:* [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [nvda] Problem With Submit
>         Button On My Banking Site
>
>         On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 08:58 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:
>
>             Simply told, the procedure is unaccessible so cal your bank
>             and tel them.
>
>         Not that I don't think this is a good idea, because it is, but
>         you also have to understand that accessibility will always be,
>         to some extent, a game of catch up.
>
>         Web coding keeps changing at blinding speed, and that's not
>         going to stop.  Sometimes it's a matter of the screen readers
>         catching up to it, and particularly when the reason for doing a
>         certain thing a certain way revolves around increased security.
>
>         It's really generally helpful to check to see if what doesn't
>         work under one screen reader might work under another if you
>         happen to have a system with two or more screen readers
>         available.  That can help to tease out where the issue might lie.
>
>         --
>
>         Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134
>
>         /The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional
>         morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction
>         to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for
>         another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . ./
>
>                     ~ Bertrand Russell
>
>     --
>
>     Microsoft Windows 10.1803, NVDA 2018.2, Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird
>
>
>
> --
>
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>




Re: NVDA remote server refusing to auto start on debian8, any ideas?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.


Further to my last email containing the log, I tried running the server in debug mode. The server has so far not exited when running in debug mode, so it would be a little pointless me posting a log here as the problem is not occurring in debug mode. I have added an entry to /etc/rc.local to make it run in debug mode for now in the backround, but I will post this issue on git hub if no one has any further ideas. To replicate, install the latest server on a fully up to date jessie install and try to enable it as a service. When you restart, the server will run for a few minutes. Then it will receive a kill command or similar from debian and exit as shown in the previous log I posted. Now try disabling the service and adding an entry to /etc/rc.local with sudo -u root NVDARemoteServer debug&

this will make the server run next time you reboot. When you reboot, the server stays running as it should. Very strange indeed. Does anyone have a debian system such as a raspberry pi to replicate? So far I have tested on a VPS and pi both running clean installs of debian.


Cheers,


Mo.

On 26/09/2018 11:45, Patrick ZAJDA via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello,

Why don't you use systemd?
sudo systemctl start NVDARemoteServer.service
The debian package install it, if this is not the case look for the path
to the PID file in /etc/nvdaremote.conf
It should be: /var/run/NVDARemoteServer/NVDARemoteServer.pid

Hop this helps.

Le 26/09/2018 à 10:53, Mobeen Iqbal a écrit :
Hello Everyone.


I am new here, so please forgive me if this has been covered before. I
am trying to get the NVDA remote server available on git hub running on
my server running debian8 Jessie.


I have done the  following to get version 1.8 installed and running, but
debian still refuses to automatically start the server on boot. I am
executing all commands as root.


git clone https://github.com/jmdaweb/NVDARemoteServer.git


cd NVDARemoteServer/debian8


sudo chmod +x build.sh


sudo ./build.sh


sudo dpkg -i nvda-remote-server_1.8.deb


sudo NVDARemoteServer enable


In the past, the above commands have worked fine on debian7. Running the
latest versions of all packages available for jessie. Anyone have any
ideas on what else I can try?


Cheers,


Mo.





Re: NVDA 2018.3.2 not Sluggish

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Rui,

I notice that the key action is more lively now in NVDA 2018.3.2 which I have just downloaded.

I tested it on the file menus that were sluggish this afternoon and all is well now. There is no longer any lag there.
I'll keep an eye on it and report again in a few days.

Looks good though!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2018.3.1 Sluggish

Have all of you installed 2018.3.2?

Rui Fontes


Às 18:59 de 26/09/2018, Mário Navarro escreveu:



Hi.
Yes, I have that issue too.
And in browsers in HTML content, it's even worse...
But this issue is not new in this version of NVDA. It's coming from
the previous version.
and has not been resolved on this update.
It's really annoying.
cheers.


Às 16:32 de 26/09/2018, Cearbhall O'Meadhra escreveu:

Hi all,

Since installing Version 2018.3.1 on my Windows 10 PC, I find that
the system keeps pausing as if something is buffering.

For instance, when I read a document, If I arrow down line by line,
or if I arrow down a long list of filenames, NVDA pauses and goes
silent so that I think it has stopped and then suddenly carries on
with the list as the arrow continues down the list. If I don’t stop
arrowing then NVDA comes back at the point where the cursor is active
and so misses the lines that I moved over while it was buffering.


Is this usual? Is there anything that I can check that could be
causing this behaviour? It is very annoying!

In the attached view log I can see how uneven the timings are between
similar keystrokes.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Thanks Brian.


Ciao,
Ollie

Il 26/09/2018 20:59, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
I'd also suggest Jonathan Mosen, contact him via mosen consulting. He has been involved with lots of projects and also has a good knowledge about voice over on apple and other platforms.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis


Hi,
Please tell your friend to interview the following people: Travis Siegal (who is a member of this list I believe and familiar with Window Bridge), Ted Henter (JAWS creator), Doug Gefrey (Window-Eyes and Vocal Eyes), Marc Mulcahy (various projects), Matt Campbell (System Access), Eric Damery (Vfo/Vispero), Doug Lee (scripting), Mick (NV Access), Jeff Bishop (Microsoft and advocacy leadership), and if your friend wants to, me (NVDA and latest developments).
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ervin, Glenn" <glenn.ervin@...
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:36:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T.  This is the only list I'm on, so I thought of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie