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Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Clive May <clive.may@...>
 

Hi Buddy


I didn't like it either but had no choice.  The people I worked for were on Unix which had no speech accessibility so they mocked up a terminal with a PC running DOS and put Vert Plus on that. When they switched to Windows, they gave me a choice but strongly "encouraged" me to choose JAWS.


To stay "on topic", in the early 80s, there was a proposal to fit the Sinclair QL with speech.  It was said to be SSC - special speech channel or SSP - special speech something or other. Nothing ever came of it as far as I can recall.

On 29/09/18 15:46, Buddy Brannan wrote:
Clive! Hey, I remember you. Back before Usenet turned into a cesspool and alt.drwho.creative was kinda cool. Gawd…I hated Vert! (Point)

On Sep 29, 2018, at 3:47 AM, Clive May <clive.may@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


Vert Plus a DOS screen reader. I was using it in the late 190s.





On 28/09/18 22:20, Sky Mundell wrote:
And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen reader to ever
come out for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the beginning,
their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access group,
released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a year
before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro. Vocal-Eyes was the
top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro released Window-Eyes on
Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW Micro and Microsoft released a
version of Window-Eyes free with office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase DecTalk,
Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
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Siegel
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Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for
her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried. I bought the rights to the windowbridge source code,
but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me here in
the U.S. His brother did send me cds with as much material as he could
find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he wasn't a
programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the proper
compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was never
able to do anything with it. Quite a shame really, since I personally
thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to have gotten
the rights to it.








Re: Mouse Over

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

You’re very welcome!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

 

Hope,

            Thanks for sharing that information.   Very useful to know.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

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Nvda certification exam

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi all, I have a question regarding the current online certification exam which people can take for NVDA. I have noticed that the questions are about version 17.3, and I wanted to know if there are any plans to update the exam to make it more relevant to the current release of NVDA, as I try to prepare for the exam it is very diffcult to make sure I am revising with the right information, a classic example being the Basic Training book which is now revevant to newer versions of NVDA than what the exam covers, and although most of the information is the same, it is extremely confusing when it comes to taking the exam.  

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk


Re: Mouse Over

 

Hope,

            Thanks for sharing that information.   Very useful to know.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Mouse Over

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi Brian, you can always extract an RSS feed from an iTunes and/or SoundCloud page using this service. http://getrssfeed.com/ I never use iTunes, but I always use this to get RSS feeds for the podcasts.


Re: Mouse Over

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi, here’s an RSS feed for this podcast, which will probably make it easier. You can just download the files that are attached. https://audioboom.com/users/1117363/posts.rss

 


Re: Mouse Over

 

Ted,

           These observations by Jonathan Cohn might help, or might not:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/43118

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Mouse Over

Gene
 

JAWS has a mouse over function.  NVDA doesn't.  I don't know if JAWS would be at all useful in this context because I don't know what happens on screen when you hover the mouse over a listen link.
 
You can move the mouse to your current position with NVDA but that isn't the full ability that is necessary to work with mouse over links as you do in JAWS.  JAWS announces where a change on the screen takes place and offers a jump to dialog so you can enter the position information to move there and see what has changed on screen.  JAWS also has a way for you to jump back to the previous position.  In NVDA, the ability to move the mouse is just so you can left click something after you move the mouse.  it has nothing to do with telling you or allowing you to work with any changes on screen related to a mouse over function.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

Ted,

           Normally I'd love to help you (or almost anyone) out, but since this is an iTunes page, and I do not have iTunes nor an iTunes account the things you see when you land on this page and what I'm presented with are totally different.

           I know that mouse over has been discussed here before, and I would have sworn there were actually mouse over commands documented for NVDA, but I'm not finding them in the latest documentation.  I'll take a quick look at the archive and see if I can find any topics that cover dealing with mouse over menus.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Mouse Over

 

Ted,

           Normally I'd love to help you (or almost anyone) out, but since this is an iTunes page, and I do not have iTunes nor an iTunes account the things you see when you land on this page and what I'm presented with are totally different.

           I know that mouse over has been discussed here before, and I would have sworn there were actually mouse over commands documented for NVDA, but I'm not finding them in the latest documentation.  I'll take a quick look at the archive and see if I can find any topics that cover dealing with mouse over menus.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Mouse Over

Gene
 

I've tried to use I-Tunes podcasts before and it can't be done from the keyboard.  Whether you might be able to do so by moving a physical mouse around the screen and having NVDA announce what is under the mouse is something I haven't tried. 
 
I've also wondered if someone would put the actual I-Tunes Windows utility on their computer, if they might be able to listen to the podcasts that way.  Maybe others can answer those questions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

Thanks to you, Gene, for responding, and thanks to Brian also.
 
The website states "To listen to an audio podcast, mouse over the title and click Play."
 
 
Regards,
 
Ted.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

If you send us the link of the page, we can look but we can't tell you how to do what you are asking about on a given page without seeing the page, if it can be done at all. 
 
Copy the address from the address bar to the clipboard and paste it into a message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Mouse Over

Hi,
 
This is my first post.
 
On a website with podcasts I'm told to "mouse over and click play" to hear the podcast.  How do I do this with NVDA?
 
Regards,
 
Ted.

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Re: Mouse Over

Ted <ted@...>
 

Thanks to you, Gene, for responding, and thanks to Brian also.
 
The website states "To listen to an audio podcast, mouse over the title and click Play."
 
 
Regards,
 
Ted.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Over

If you send us the link of the page, we can look but we can't tell you how to do what you are asking about on a given page without seeing the page, if it can be done at all. 
 
Copy the address from the address bar to the clipboard and paste it into a message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Mouse Over

Hi,
 
This is my first post.
 
On a website with podcasts I'm told to "mouse over and click play" to hear the podcast.  How do I do this with NVDA?
 
Regards,
 
Ted.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Mouse Over

Gene
 

If you send us the link of the page, we can look but we can't tell you how to do what you are asking about on a given page without seeing the page, if it can be done at all. 
 
Copy the address from the address bar to the clipboard and paste it into a message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Mouse Over

Hi,
 
This is my first post.
 
On a website with podcasts I'm told to "mouse over and click play" to hear the podcast.  How do I do this with NVDA?
 
Regards,
 
Ted.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Mouse Over

 

Ted,

             Can you supply the URL of the page where you're being instructed to do this?

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Mouse Over

Ted <ted@...>
 

Hi,
 
This is my first post.
 
On a website with podcasts I'm told to "mouse over and click play" to hear the podcast.  How do I do this with NVDA?
 
Regards,
 
Ted.

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

Hi,

Ah, this one – although the add-on did some important things in the past, some of those important ones are now part of NVDA.

Things Windows 10 App Essentials can do include:

  • Suppressing unnecessary notifications in Calculator.
  • Announcing more alerts in Microsoft Edge.
  • Fixing bugs here and there in Settings app.
  • Providing needed commands for Skype in older Skype releases.
  • Announcing suggestion count (not just sounds) in some cases.
  • Improved access to Weather app and reading forecasts.

 

Things transferred to NVDA:

  • Search suggestion sounds.
  • Reading live text in various apps.
  • Detecting and reading dialogs in universal apps.
  • Working with emoji panel.
  • Reading text from dictation panel.
  • Announcing hardware keyboard input suggestions.
  • Navigating cloud clipboard history/paste screen (October 2018 Update).
  • Announcing notifications from various apps.

 

In fact, NVDA 2018.3.x includes important parts of Windows 10 App Essentials, namely working with modern Windows 10 input features and dialog detection.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

                What dows this addon actually do that can’t be done without it?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rob Hudson
Sent: 29 September 2018 13:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

Removing the win 10 essentials addon fixed the problem.

 

 

 


Re: Update: Openwith Barely Usable

Peter Beasley
 

                What dows this addon actually do that can’t be done without it?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rob Hudson
Sent: 29 September 2018 13:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

Removing the win 10 essentials addon fixed the problem.

 

 

 


Re: Addon Updater

 

Hi,
That button will open the add-ons website. The link to the add-on in question is under "add-ons under development". I have no intention of declaring Add-on Updater as stable, as it is really an add-on to test a feature planned for NVDA (and also because there is already a pull request for this feature).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 1:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon Updater

You don't need to there is a link on the add ons part of tools menu in nvda.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "René Linke" <rene.linke@hamburg.de>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon Updater


Hi Georges,

Where do I find it, thanks.

Did you ever use the Google Search with the keywords "nvda" and "add-ons"?

<https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html>

René




Re: Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

Hi,
By the way, Openwith also works if I press Tab key, so I think this may have
nothing to do with my add-on; I'll keep all possibilities open (and delay my
vacation for a bit).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

Hi,
Eh? I'm interested in finding out which part of this add-on was causing
problems.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

Removing the win 10 essentials addon fixed the problem.


Re: Update: Openwith Barely Usable

 

Hi,
Eh? I'm interested in finding out which part of this add-on was causing
problems.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 5:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Update: Openwith Barely Usable

Removing the win 10 essentials addon fixed the problem.


Re: speech dictionary

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I'm sure I sent a reply to this before pointing to application dictionary in the add ons section.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 7:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] speech dictionary


Has there been any talk on having the speech dictionary specific for a particular program? for example,I have the greater than sign blanked for email. I want to hear it other than in email.
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