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Re: bookkeeping program

Jean <jmarcleyhaha@...>
 

Thanks so much.

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

Feel free to ask if you have any problems or questions. there is also an
email list for moneytalks.
I think the subscription info is on APH's page.

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From: "Jean" <jmarcleyhaha@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program


Thank you all for your suggestions. Money Talks looks promising.
Jean

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

For some reason older versions of Excel work better in NVDA, I suspect
half
the issue is that it keeps on being down, erm updated by Microsoft!
Brian

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From: "Rayn Darren" <rayndarren@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program


Totally understandable. I'm using Excel as well, but with Jaws as NVDA
doesn't seem to like it very much.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jean
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

Sarah,
Thank you for the offer. I want it only for my own personal finances and
am
currently using Excel.
I Used to use Quicken 98 but it became obsolete.
Jean
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

HI Jean,

I don't know of a program, I haven't tried quickbooks yet, but, if you
don't
find anything, I'd be happy to do your books for you. It's a service my
company provides, please feel free to contact me off list for more info.
Best of luck in finding a program though!

Sarah

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Jean
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] bookkeeping program

I am still looking for a bookkeeping program that can be EASILY accessed
by
NVDA. Quick Books would be my choice, but I don't want to spend the
money
if it won't work.
Is anyone using any kind of bookkeeping program that you can tell me
about?
Thanks so much.
Jean
PS: I am not a computer whiz. Most of what you all talk about is way
over
my head. I am a little old lady in Arizona working on my standup comedy
career. (smiles)











Re: bookkeeping program

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Feel free to ask if you have any problems or questions. there is also an email list for moneytalks.
I think the subscription info is on APH's page.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean" <jmarcleyhaha@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program


Thank you all for your suggestions. Money Talks looks promising.
Jean

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 12:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

For some reason older versions of Excel work better in NVDA, I suspect half
the issue is that it keeps on being down, erm updated by Microsoft!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayn Darren" <rayndarren@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program


Totally understandable. I'm using Excel as well, but with Jaws as NVDA
doesn't seem to like it very much.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jean
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 3:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

Sarah,
Thank you for the offer. I want it only for my own personal finances and
am
currently using Excel.
I Used to use Quicken 98 but it became obsolete.
Jean
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rayn Darren
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] bookkeeping program

HI Jean,

I don't know of a program, I haven't tried quickbooks yet, but, if you
don't
find anything, I'd be happy to do your books for you. It's a service my
company provides, please feel free to contact me off list for more info.
Best of luck in finding a program though!

Sarah

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Jean
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] bookkeeping program

I am still looking for a bookkeeping program that can be EASILY accessed
by
NVDA. Quick Books would be my choice, but I don't want to spend the money
if it won't work.
Is anyone using any kind of bookkeeping program that you can tell me
about?
Thanks so much.
Jean
PS: I am not a computer whiz. Most of what you all talk about is way
over
my head. I am a little old lady in Arizona working on my standup comedy
career. (smiles)










Re: turning off the "sent with mail" signature

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks so much. I’ll give it a shot.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Florian Ionașcu
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning off the "sent with mail" signature

 

Hello Rosemarie, you can turn off e-mail signatures following the steps bellow:
1. Open Mail for Windows 10 app, navigate with Tab until you get focused on a button called settings, then press it.
2. After that, press Tab and, after you reach the button called signature, press it.
3. Then, search a checkbox called use an e-mail signature. Uncheck it and press eskape to close the pop-up window.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Florian

 

La 01.10.2018 19:15, Rosemarie Chavarria a scris:

Hi, everyone,

 

I’m using the mail app now and I do really like it. How do I turn off the “sent with mail” part of the signature? I don’t want to always hear that after signing a message.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 


Re: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard
 

Grat, thanks...


Then it'll be up to her to work all this info out, but I'm glad you're providing so much stuff, because I can learn something as well.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 30/09/2018 12:19, john s ha scritto:
Ollie, here is something from Top Tidbits.

7) History of Speech Synthesis and Voice Assistants
This transcript contains lots of examples from the history of computerized voice communication:

http://bit.ly/2IjK5IA
At 08:23 AM 9/29/2018, Mallard, wrote:
Hello Rick,


I think this is something my friend Gemma will appreciate quite a lot!

Thanks for the link...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 29/09/2018 00:04, ely.r@... ha scritto:
Travis
Lost this thread, but now found it, wanted to send this site to you and friend.
Before Screen Readers, There had to be readers!
The site below is an auditory history of early speech synthesizers. Each sample has a brief description of who where and when it was developed. Obviously screen readers needed intelligible voices to be of any worth. It is incredible to see how far the technology developed and what approaches were used along the way.
Have fun!
Rick
http://www.festvox.org/history/klatt.html
n 9/28> And just to add to this, Window Bridge, was the first screen reader to
ever come out  for windows. It came out around June of 1992. In the
beginning, their were about 10 windows products, which today, has been reduced today.
The 10 windows products that you saw in the market were:
Window Bridge
Syntha Voice, released on June 1992. Now gone.
Out Spoken for the mac and windows, Berkley systems, Alva access
group, released in 1994, now gone.

Dolphin Hal, now called Supernova
Yourdolphin.com

Screen power, Telussensory, now gone.
Artic Winvision, also gone.
ASAW, also gone.
JAWS
www.freedomscientific.com
Released January 20, 1995 First developed for DOS in 1989. Created by
Henter-Joyce, which became Freedom Scientific in 2000, which became
VFO-group in 2015.
Window-Eyes, now gone as of May 15, 2017.
Release date: October 16, 1995, until May 15, 2017.
Started out as Vocal-Eyes for DOS on February 15, 1990, Which was a
year before I was born on that same day. created by GW Micro.
Vocal-Eyes was the top DOS screen reader. Then, in 1995, GW Micro
released Window-Eyes on Monday, October 16, 1995. On January 14, GW
Micro and Microsoft released a version of Window-Eyes free with
office. This version worked with Office
2010 or up, and it came with two voices. Allowed you to purchase
DecTalk, Eloquence, Vocalizer, etc. Then, on May 1, GW Micro and AI Squared merged.
Then, on June 14, AI was acquired by VFO.

System Access:
Released date: 2005.
www.serotek.com
NVDA:
www.nvaccess.com
Release date: April 2006.
Developer: NV Access
I hope these notes help your friend with the history. Thanks, Sky.
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Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers
history for her thesis



On 9/26/2018 12:24 PM, Mallard wrote:
The first screen reader I ever used was Window Bridge, which I really
loved. Pity nobody took it up after David passed out so suddenly...
Actually, I tried.  I bought the rights to the windowbridge source
code, but UPS lost the pc as it was being shipped from Canada to me
here in the U.S.  His brother did send me cds with as much material as
he could find before sending the computer, but unfortunately, since he
wasn't a programmer, he missed some vital libraries required for the
proper compile of windowbridge, and since the ocmputer was lost, I was
never able to do anything with it.  Quite a shame really, since I
personally thought it was an excellent product, and was very happy to
have gotten the rights to it.













                John




Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Mallard
 

Very interesting indeed. I'd never heard of this one. I worked at IBM during the '80's, but I used "dumb" terminale attached to mainframes or medium-size office systems. I did translations, not programming, so I worked with text processing programmes and an Optacon.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 01/10/2018 15:37, Chris Mullins ha scritto:
Hi
In the early 80's I used a German made, non-software based screen reader called Frank Audio Data to access Dos on IBM PC XT machines. The original was a replacement PC keyboard with the addition of horizontal and vertical slider controls topped with read buttons. Due to the screen in those days being 25 x 80 character cells, the sliders gave you tactile feedback and this, combined with audio output from the hardware provided excellent screen orientation. A later model retained the sliders in two separate units which worked alongside the standard PC keyboard. I found it extremely difficult to transition from DOS to Windows after working in an environment where I knew exactly how the screen looked to being unable to form a mental image of the screen layout.

Cheers
Chris

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 29 September 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hi
going back farther still, the Apple 2E in the late 70s and early 80s had
the text Tucker screen reader with the echo Cricket speech synthesizer. You
can actually download be accessible mess Apple 2 emulator and see it
working in action today if you want to.


On September 28, 2018 4:55:49 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

No, they go back further than dos. The comodore 64 ran cp/m, and it had
a screen reader too, so screen reading packages didn't start with dos.



On 9/26/2018 10:36 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her
thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought of
asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the history
and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some
documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie
















Re: turning off the "sent with mail" signature

Florian Ionașcu
 

Hello Rosemarie, you can turn off e-mail signatures following the steps bellow:
1. Open Mail for Windows 10 app, navigate with Tab until you get focused on a button called settings, then press it.
2. After that, press Tab and, after you reach the button called signature, press it.
3. Then, search a checkbox called use an e-mail signature. Uncheck it and press eskape to close the pop-up window.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Florian


La 01.10.2018 19:15, Rosemarie Chavarria a scris:

Hi, everyone,

 

I’m using the mail app now and I do really like it. How do I turn off the “sent with mail” part of the signature? I don’t want to always hear that after signing a message.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

That's very interesting. Never had heard of such a thing before.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: October 1, 2018 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hi
In the early 80's I used a German made, non-software based screen reader called Frank Audio Data to access Dos on IBM PC XT machines. The original was a replacement PC keyboard with the addition of horizontal and vertical slider controls topped with read buttons. Due to the screen in those days being 25 x 80 character cells, the sliders gave you tactile feedback and this, combined with audio output from the hardware provided excellent screen orientation. A later model retained the sliders in two separate units which worked alongside the standard PC keyboard. I found it extremely difficult to transition from DOS to Windows after working in an environment where I knew exactly how the screen looked to being unable to form a mental image of the screen layout.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: 29 September 2018 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history for her thesis

Hi
going back farther still, the Apple 2E in the late 70s and early 80s had the text Tucker screen reader with the echo Cricket speech synthesizer. You can actually download be accessible mess Apple 2 emulator and see it working in action today if you want to.


On September 28, 2018 4:55:49 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

No, they go back further than dos. The comodore 64 ran cp/m, and it had a screen reader too, so screen reading packages didn't start with dos.



On 9/26/2018 10:36 AM, Ervin, Glenn wrote:
Well, they go back as far as DOS, there's a lot of brands.
Try the NFB, they should have a historical perspective.
Glenn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] O.T.: A friend needs info on screen readers history
for her thesis

Hello all,

Please, forgive this O.T. This is the only list I'm on, so I thought
of asking here.

A friend of mine, her ein Italy, has been assigned a thesis on the
history and evolution of screen readers for Windows.

She doesn't seem to find any suitable material.

Would anyone have any suggestions as to where to look for some
documentation that might help her?

I know the request is a bit vague, but that's all I ahve for now.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Ollie






turning off the "sent with mail" signature

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I’m using the mail app now and I do really like it. How do I turn off the “sent with mail” part of the signature? I don’t want to always hear that after signing a message.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Looks like you need an archive of older versions then for these eventualities. Actually as I've said before, I am not happy about this fast churn of windows support, and as you suggest in your reply educational and corporate uses are not treated in this cavalier fashion, reinforcing my feeling that the great unwashed home user is being used as a live testbed every six months.
I'd go over to 10 permanently if I could be sure half my legacy software would not need either reinstalling or bodging around with every six months. All this does is make people stay on windows 7 in my view.
Not our fault, its Microsoft.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296


Hi,

Ah, this was partly my decision…

Windows 10 App Essentials supports a given feature update (1703, for example) for a limited time. This is in accordance with Windows as a Service where new operating system release is scheduled for twice a year. Typically, I support a given feature update for at least 12 months but no more than 18. Support also means supporting NVDA releases released at that time.

The latest version of the add-on that’ll run happily on Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update/build 15063) is 18.06.2, as 18.07 requires Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) and later. At the moment support for Version 1709 is scheduled to end this December with 18.12.x.

To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum once Version 1809 era kicks in.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296



Yes, I am aware of this. Unfortunately, this is a school machine, therefore I can not invoke the update process myself. Therefore I was wondering what add-on version I should install until such time as the local IT person performs updates on our machines.



On 10/1/2018 09:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Noah,

Based on the title of your topic it's most likely NVDA telling you that your Version of Windows 10 (1703) is out of date. That version loses all support from Microsoft in 8 days. You should have moved along to Version 1709, followed by Version 1803, long ago. You need to update Windows 10 very, very soon. Ideally, you should take a full system image and separate user data backup of your current system before doing so.

You can update your Windows 10 by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page <https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10> and invoking the Update Assistant with the "Update this PC" button. If you need a newer version of Win10 App Essentials after doing that, this is available on the NVDA Add-Ons Download Page <https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html> . I would also suggest you visit the NVDA Add-Ons Under Development Page <https://addons.nvda-project.org/dev.en.html> and snag a copy of the Add-On Updater add-nn, which monitors the add-ons you have installed to see if a newer version becomes available and will allow you to update immediately if you so choose.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134

The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

~ Bertrand Russell


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Hi,

Here it is (be sure to turn off add-on updates after installing this):

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/18.06/wintenApps-18.06.1A.nvda-addon

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Can a link be sent so I can install the latest version that supports my Windows 10 build?

 

On 10/1/2018 10:27, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, this was partly my decision…

Windows 10 App Essentials supports a given feature update (1703, for example) for a limited time. This is in accordance with Windows as a Service where new operating system release is scheduled for twice a year. Typically, I support a given feature update for at least 12 months but no more than 18. Support also means supporting NVDA releases released at that time.

The latest version of the add-on that’ll run happily on Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update/build 15063) is 18.06.2, as 18.07 requires Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) and later. At the moment support for Version 1709 is scheduled to end this December with 18.12.x.

To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum once Version 1809 era kicks in.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Yes, I am aware of this. Unfortunately, this is a school machine, therefore I can not invoke the update process myself. Therefore I was wondering what add-on version I should install until such time as the local IT person performs updates on our machines.

 

On 10/1/2018 09:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Noah,

          Based on the title of your topic it's most likely NVDA telling you that your Version of Windows 10 (1703) is out of date.  That version loses all support from Microsoft in 8 days.  You should have moved along to Version 1709, followed by Version 1803, long ago.  You need to update Windows 10 very, very soon.  Ideally, you should take a full system image and separate user data backup of your current system before doing so.

          You can update your Windows 10 by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and invoking the Update Assistant with the "Update this PC" button.  If you need a newer version of Win10 App Essentials after doing that, this is available on the NVDA Add-Ons Download Page.   I would also suggest you visit the NVDA Add-Ons Under Development Page and snag a copy of the Add-On Updater add-nn, which monitors the add-ons you have installed to see if a newer version becomes available and will allow you to update immediately if you so choose.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Can a link be sent so I can install the latest version that supports my Windows 10 build?


On 10/1/2018 10:27, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, this was partly my decision…

Windows 10 App Essentials supports a given feature update (1703, for example) for a limited time. This is in accordance with Windows as a Service where new operating system release is scheduled for twice a year. Typically, I support a given feature update for at least 12 months but no more than 18. Support also means supporting NVDA releases released at that time.

The latest version of the add-on that’ll run happily on Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update/build 15063) is 18.06.2, as 18.07 requires Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) and later. At the moment support for Version 1709 is scheduled to end this December with 18.12.x.

To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum once Version 1809 era kicks in.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Yes, I am aware of this. Unfortunately, this is a school machine, therefore I can not invoke the update process myself. Therefore I was wondering what add-on version I should install until such time as the local IT person performs updates on our machines.

 

On 10/1/2018 09:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Noah,

          Based on the title of your topic it's most likely NVDA telling you that your Version of Windows 10 (1703) is out of date.  That version loses all support from Microsoft in 8 days.  You should have moved along to Version 1709, followed by Version 1803, long ago.  You need to update Windows 10 very, very soon.  Ideally, you should take a full system image and separate user data backup of your current system before doing so.

          You can update your Windows 10 by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and invoking the Update Assistant with the "Update this PC" button.  If you need a newer version of Win10 App Essentials after doing that, this is available on the NVDA Add-Ons Download Page.   I would also suggest you visit the NVDA Add-Ons Under Development Page and snag a copy of the Add-On Updater add-nn, which monitors the add-ons you have installed to see if a newer version becomes available and will allow you to update immediately if you so choose.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

 



Re: Files not showing

Gene
 

You don't change this setting in properties.  There is a specific setting to tell Windows to show hidden files.  there may be another to tell Windows to show system files.  Since the files appear to be there, they may be hidden or, less likely, have been incorrectly designated as system files.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

In the properties control on the Documents folder, it shows 286 files but when displaying the folder I see 13 subfolders and only two files; an ini file and a zip file.  Yes, I did start to put files into the folders I created for them but I didn't get very many moved.  When I look at the subfolders, all the files that I moved do show up in there.  I don't remember file names so I can't very well do a search. 
 
I don't know what kind of an update it did.  When I shut it down, it said it would do an update and then shut down.  I didn't get a choice.  Maybe there's a place where I can roll back to before the update; kind of like a restore point in xp.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Consider the most simple possibility first.  Someone who uses Windows 10 can tell you how to do this.  Set Windows to show hidden files.  perhaps the files became hidden when the update occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Try searching for the files using Windows search feature.

Maybe they somehow did not end up where you expect.

Also refreshing the file explorer window with f5 sometimes seems to help. But that’s probably not going to help you as you say you already opened the explorer window to your new folder *after* copying the files.

 

You could try other things. Go to where you think the documents ended up on the c (or whatever) drive and check the properties. Does it show space used by the folder? If it says “0 bytes”, it’s possible the files did not even copy.

 

I’ve never had files physically disappear after a windows update, but it’s possible something is screwed up with the documents library. You should still be able to access the actual documents folder. Maybe open the run box and type in the path to your personal documents folder and see what happens. In my case it would be “c:\users\jm\documents”.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 30, 2018 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Files not showing

 

Hi, I'm just starting to use my new Win10 machine.  I copied many files and folders from my documents folder of an older machine into the documents folder under "this pc" on the new one.  Now when I go to this pc and open the documents folder, all I see is folders; no files.  I know they're in there because I was accessing them before windows did an update.  Now they don't show up.  Neither in "this pc" nor in "file explorer".--my mistake: two filenames do show, an ini file and a zip file.  When I look at properties for the folder, I see that there are 286 items in there.
What should I do to get them back?
Thanks.
Sorry; I failed to mention that I'm using the current version of NVDA.  But the demo of jaws doesn't see the files either.

Howard


Re: Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

 

Hi,
Don't know about that for sure.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 7:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

Joseph,

Does this map to the aria-descrbiedby field in web pages?

Thanks,

Jonathan


On 10/1/18, 10:22 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jim Fettgather" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jimfettgather@...> wrote:

This is by no means a bug, in fact, I am amazed that NVDA does the following:

When you start Word 2016, press Alt to bring focus to the ribbon, and
begin to tab down through the various icons on the ribbon, NVDA
announces helpful information that appears to be ignored by any other
screen reader.
In fact, I am not even certain whether or not the information is
visible on the screen. For example, when you Tab to Cut, NVDA says,
Remove the selection and put it on the clipboard so you can paste it
somewhere else.
So, how does NVDA do this, and where is this information originating,
since others have told me they cannot see it on the screen. It is
incredibly helpful and fantastic, I am just curious how it works.
Thanks a lot.


Re: Files not showing

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 


In the properties control on the Documents folder, it shows 286 files but when displaying the folder I see 13 subfolders and only two files; an ini file and a zip file.  Yes, I did start to put files into the folders I created for them but I didn't get very many moved.  When I look at the subfolders, all the files that I moved do show up in there.  I don't remember file names so I can't very well do a search. 
 
I don't know what kind of an update it did.  When I shut it down, it said it would do an update and then shut down.  I didn't get a choice.  Maybe there's a place where I can roll back to before the update; kind of like a restore point in xp.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Consider the most simple possibility first.  Someone who uses Windows 10 can tell you how to do this.  Set Windows to show hidden files.  perhaps the files became hidden when the update occurred. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing

Try searching for the files using Windows search feature.

Maybe they somehow did not end up where you expect.

Also refreshing the file explorer window with f5 sometimes seems to help. But that’s probably not going to help you as you say you already opened the explorer window to your new folder *after* copying the files.

 

You could try other things. Go to where you think the documents ended up on the c (or whatever) drive and check the properties. Does it show space used by the folder? If it says “0 bytes”, it’s possible the files did not even copy.

 

I’ve never had files physically disappear after a windows update, but it’s possible something is screwed up with the documents library. You should still be able to access the actual documents folder. Maybe open the run box and type in the path to your personal documents folder and see what happens. In my case it would be “c:\users\jm\documents”.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: September 30, 2018 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Files not showing

 

Hi, I'm just starting to use my new Win10 machine.  I copied many files and folders from my documents folder of an older machine into the documents folder under "this pc" on the new one.  Now when I go to this pc and open the documents folder, all I see is folders; no files.  I know they're in there because I was accessing them before windows did an update.  Now they don't show up.  Neither in "this pc" nor in "file explorer".--my mistake: two filenames do show, an ini file and a zip file.  When I look at properties for the folder, I see that there are 286 items in there.
What should I do to get them back?
Thanks.
Sorry; I failed to mention that I'm using the current version of NVDA.  But the demo of jaws doesn't see the files either.

Howard


Re: Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

Jonathan COHN
 

Joseph,

Does this map to the aria-descrbiedby field in web pages?

Thanks,

Jonathan


On 10/1/18, 10:22 AM, "nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Jim Fettgather" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of jimfettgather@...> wrote:

This is by no means a bug, in fact, I am amazed that NVDA does the following:

When you start Word 2016, press Alt to bring focus to the ribbon, and
begin to tab down through the various icons on the ribbon, NVDA
announces helpful information that appears to be ignored by any other
screen reader.
In fact, I am not even certain whether or not the information is
visible on the screen. For example, when you Tab to Cut, NVDA says,
Remove the selection and put it on the clipboard so you can paste it
somewhere else.
So, how does NVDA do this, and where is this information originating,
since others have told me they cannot see it on the screen. It is
incredibly helpful and fantastic, I am just curious how it works.
Thanks a lot.


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Yes, we are using the education version as far as I know.


On 10/1/2018 10:27, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, this was partly my decision…

Windows 10 App Essentials supports a given feature update (1703, for example) for a limited time. This is in accordance with Windows as a Service where new operating system release is scheduled for twice a year. Typically, I support a given feature update for at least 12 months but no more than 18. Support also means supporting NVDA releases released at that time.

The latest version of the add-on that’ll run happily on Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update/build 15063) is 18.06.2, as 18.07 requires Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) and later. At the moment support for Version 1709 is scheduled to end this December with 18.12.x.

To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum once Version 1809 era kicks in.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Yes, I am aware of this. Unfortunately, this is a school machine, therefore I can not invoke the update process myself. Therefore I was wondering what add-on version I should install until such time as the local IT person performs updates on our machines.

 

On 10/1/2018 09:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Noah,

          Based on the title of your topic it's most likely NVDA telling you that your Version of Windows 10 (1703) is out of date.  That version loses all support from Microsoft in 8 days.  You should have moved along to Version 1709, followed by Version 1803, long ago.  You need to update Windows 10 very, very soon.  Ideally, you should take a full system image and separate user data backup of your current system before doing so.

          You can update your Windows 10 by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and invoking the Update Assistant with the "Update this PC" button.  If you need a newer version of Win10 App Essentials after doing that, this is available on the NVDA Add-Ons Download Page.   I would also suggest you visit the NVDA Add-Ons Under Development Page and snag a copy of the Add-On Updater add-nn, which monitors the add-ons you have installed to see if a newer version becomes available and will allow you to update immediately if you so choose.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

 



Re: Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

 

Hi,
This is controlled by Report Object Descriptions checkbox found int NvDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Object Presentation panel. With this turned on, NvDA will try its best to gather control descriptions through whatever accessibility API the control uses 9UIA, in this case).
Cheers,
Joseph
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Fettgather
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

This is by no means a bug, in fact, I am amazed that NVDA does the following:

When you start Word 2016, press Alt to bring focus to the ribbon, and begin to tab down through the various icons on the ribbon, NVDA announces helpful information that appears to be ignored by any other screen reader.
In fact, I am not even certain whether or not the information is visible on the screen. For example, when you Tab to Cut, NVDA says, Remove the selection and put it on the clipboard so you can paste it somewhere else.
So, how does NVDA do this, and where is this information originating, since others have told me they cannot see it on the screen. It is incredibly helpful and fantastic, I am just curious how it works.
Thanks a lot.


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Hi,

Ah, this was partly my decision…

Windows 10 App Essentials supports a given feature update (1703, for example) for a limited time. This is in accordance with Windows as a Service where new operating system release is scheduled for twice a year. Typically, I support a given feature update for at least 12 months but no more than 18. Support also means supporting NVDA releases released at that time.

The latest version of the add-on that’ll run happily on Windows 10 Version 1703 (Creators Update/build 15063) is 18.06.2, as 18.07 requires Version 1709 (Fall Creators Update/build 16299) and later. At the moment support for Version 1709 is scheduled to end this December with 18.12.x.

To Brian V: I bet Noah’s school uses Windows 10 Education, which will receive support until October 2019. I’ll make that clear on Win10 Forum once Version 1809 era kicks in.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials on Windows 10Ver1703 (64-bit) build 15063.296

 

Yes, I am aware of this. Unfortunately, this is a school machine, therefore I can not invoke the update process myself. Therefore I was wondering what add-on version I should install until such time as the local IT person performs updates on our machines.

 

On 10/1/2018 09:07, Brian Vogel wrote:

Noah,

          Based on the title of your topic it's most likely NVDA telling you that your Version of Windows 10 (1703) is out of date.  That version loses all support from Microsoft in 8 days.  You should have moved along to Version 1709, followed by Version 1803, long ago.  You need to update Windows 10 very, very soon.  Ideally, you should take a full system image and separate user data backup of your current system before doing so.

          You can update your Windows 10 by going to the Microsoft Windows 10 Download Page and invoking the Update Assistant with the "Update this PC" button.  If you need a newer version of Win10 App Essentials after doing that, this is available on the NVDA Add-Ons Download Page.   I would also suggest you visit the NVDA Add-Ons Under Development Page and snag a copy of the Add-On Updater add-nn, which monitors the add-ons you have installed to see if a newer version becomes available and will allow you to update immediately if you so choose.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 

 


Help Announcements in Office 2016 While Navigating The Ribbon

Jim Fettgather <jimfettgather@...>
 

This is by no means a bug, in fact, I am amazed that NVDA does the following:

When you start Word 2016, press Alt to bring focus to the ribbon, and
begin to tab down through the various icons on the ribbon, NVDA
announces helpful information that appears to be ignored by any other
screen reader.
In fact, I am not even certain whether or not the information is
visible on the screen. For example, when you Tab to Cut, NVDA says,
Remove the selection and put it on the clipboard so you can paste it
somewhere else.
So, how does NVDA do this, and where is this information originating,
since others have told me they cannot see it on the screen. It is
incredibly helpful and fantastic, I am just curious how it works.
Thanks a lot.


Re: Mouse Over

Jonathan COHN
 

There is an fairly accessible web interface to the Apple store infrastructure at: https://fnd.io

 

I searched for Blind Square there and found this page:

https://fnd.io/#/us/podcast/948257850-blindsquares-posts-by-blindsquare

 

This site was used as a demo for developing accessible react web pages at a conference I was listening to online. FYI react is the component library used and developed by Facebook I did find after doing my search that there was little feedback that it had completed, but updated information was on the screen.

 

 

Jonathan

.

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ted <ted@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2018 at 12:45 PM
To: NVDA Support Group <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Mouse Over