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Re: Captchas Revisited

Mallard
 

Hello all,


I remember finding a site a couple of years ago, which had a text description for picture captchas.


A sighted person would see the pictures, but there was also a list of text descriptions with checkboxes to check.


For esample, if you were asked to select all the pictures concerning cars, you would have something like this:


Van


Volkswagen


sports car


and so on, with checkboxes


There were a couple of unrelated items you had to leave unchecked.


The site is no longer there, though, and I never found anything like it ever again.


that would definitely be a solution.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 03/10/2018 17:39, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:

What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no
effect?

Precisely.

I fail to understand how "the blind community" cannot understand that captchas are something that has been put in place to solve a problem that, in various guises, poses a different problem for them.   The problem they are put in place to solve, bot blocking, is a major, major issue and there is no way in hell that they will ever be removed because they are so effective at preventing what they aim to prevent.

That being said, there are a number of Captchas that are not as insanely blocking for individuals who are blind as the "picture grid" captchas are.  Writing to sites that use these, telling them that they block accessibility, and telling them what to do - which would be to offer a different sort of solvable captcha or include an invisible link that would substitute for it and only be read by a screen reader that would allow some other verification method - is what is (or could be) effective.

Accessibility is not the one and only concern that the world at large is dealing with and, sadly, many don't even realize how certain things block accessibility when they're being put into place for other completely valid reasons.  Educating these folks is your only hope of raising their awareness and effecting the kind of change you not only want, but need, with regard to verification practices.

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Re: Captchas Revisited

 

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Gene wrote:
What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no effect?
Precisely.

I fail to understand how "the blind community" cannot understand that captchas are something that has been put in place to solve a problem that, in various guises, poses a different problem for them.   The problem they are put in place to solve, bot blocking, is a major, major issue and there is no way in hell that they will ever be removed because they are so effective at preventing what they aim to prevent.

That being said, there are a number of Captchas that are not as insanely blocking for individuals who are blind as the "picture grid" captchas are.  Writing to sites that use these, telling them that they block accessibility, and telling them what to do - which would be to offer a different sort of solvable captcha or include an invisible link that would substitute for it and only be read by a screen reader that would allow some other verification method - is what is (or could be) effective.

Accessibility is not the one and only concern that the world at large is dealing with and, sadly, many don't even realize how certain things block accessibility when they're being put into place for other completely valid reasons.  Educating these folks is your only hope of raising their awareness and effecting the kind of change you not only want, but need, with regard to verification practices.
 
--

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Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

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Yes I know what you mean there. Even the old Speech platform sounds better than the windows 10 stuff did.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers


Hi there,
There is actually more chance of being able to improve ESpeak, as it is open-source. But you'll need a lot of expertise on the C programming language, vocal properties and phonetics, and digital audio processing.
To be honest, I can't stand OneCore because of its extreme lagginess, both before speaking and its punctuation pauses. Unfortunately, SAPI also seems to have plunged down a mountain, except, ironically, with NVDA itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/10/2018 12:25 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore, at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...







Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

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Obviously you will need to talk to Microsoft about the one core voices. If you have a smart phone I know over here in the UK the be my Eyes app can actually connect you to the Microsoft disability team who will actually raise a ticket on Windows. Of course how high up the ranking a Portuguese voice is is debatable I guess, but might be worth at least asking.
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Subject: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers


Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore, at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...





Re: Using Help in Office 2016

Suzy
 

Hello Jim,
I can't assist you in using the Help screen in Office 365, because I haven't discovered how to use it. 
Currently, I Google any office help information I need. A Microsoft Support article is almost always the first item, and in many cases, it is the information I need. If it isn't, I explore other Office articles. As far as I am concerned using Google is quite efficient, and the support information it links to is what MS would bring up anyway.
I am sorry this is not a direct answer to your question, but I hope it is helpful. 
Suzy


Re: NVDA and Scripting?

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It would be interesting to turn off javascript on the site on the browser and see what happens too.
If it is still just a graphic, then it could be just a picture of a list. I've seen this on an energy site quite recently using some kind of so called interactive pdf, which lets say is not interactive for anyone without a real mouse!
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?


Hi,
Which browser are you using? Sometimes, using a different web browser can change things here and there. If using a different web browser doesn't help, chances are that this has to do with oddly designed web controls, something you should alert the bank about.
Regarding scripting: yes, it is possible to script NVDA via Python programming language. There has been discussion regarding how to do this for websites, but no progress on that front yet.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 8:20 PM
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Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?

Hi, Everyone.
I'm Dani from HI, and I'm new to NVDA. I'm running the latest build of the screen reader, and have tried it with my bank's website (American Savings). I can get as far as the page that lets you download statements, then it's a no-go. There's a graphic to let the user pick the range of dates for the statements he wants to download, and NVDA doesn't see the picker. (BTW, neither does JFW, which is my other go-to screen reader.)

Does NVDA support the building of and use of scripts? My husband thinks it might be a java thing that's happening behind the scenes.
Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


Re: NVDA and Scripting?

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Well maybe, or maybe not. I would say if its no good in Jaws latest version then the bank need to get it sorted. if you have a smart phone you might try that, but if this is the state of their accessibility, I would not hold my breath. Are there any local laws you can quote at your bank, or threaten to move your business elsewhere?

I think its fine if its just a little problem but if the main screenreader in the world has issues, it says to me, nobody hast tested this.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 4:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Scripting?


Hi, Everyone.
I'm Dani from HI, and I'm new to NVDA. I'm running the latest build of
the screen reader, and have tried it with my bank's website (American
Savings). I can get as far as the page that lets you download
statements, then it's a no-go. There's a graphic to let the user pick
the range of dates for the statements he wants to download, and NVDA
doesn't see the picker. (BTW, neither does JFW, which is my other
go-to screen reader.)

Does NVDA support the building of and use of scripts? My husband
thinks it might be a java thing that's happening behind the scenes.
Ideas?

Thanks,
Dani


Re: Captchas Revisited

Gene
 

What is the point of boycotting something if doing so will have no effect?  I don't think site owners are shaking in their shoes about the prospect of three or five or ten blind people not using it.  If the site provides a service I want and a more accessible site isn't available, does it make sense to cut off your nose to spite your face? 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Captchas Revisited

No just shoot the person who put it on the site.
 I think many now use be my eyes of a smart phone but that is totally
unacceptable. vote with your keyboard or grill them.
 Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Captchas Revisited


>    I am not wanting to create a new flood on this one. (smiles) I could
> not keep up with the last thread on this topic so I may have missed any
> discussion about the object captchas (pictures) in particular.
>
>    Is there a way to solve this type of captchas? Usually I can get around
> captchas by contacting someone by email. But in one case, I must solve the
> captcha in order to contact support.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>    Ancient.Aliens@...
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
>
>
>




Re: Index of /tts

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Well the page appears to be just an index of files on somebody's system. It says that some are mere recordings, and as none of the downloads are signed I did not try them. It does not specify Eloquence, but I suspect one of two things. Eloquence is available officially and is still charged for, so any hack here is probably illegal and unsupported or worse. The only grey area is a sappi4 synth called Via Voice which sounds like Eloquence but being Sappi 4 is no longer supported and has some very strange and bad habits if you use it on modern computers, such as not always saying one letter at a time when cursoring and ignoring certain punctuation.
So really I suggest this web sites contents is worth every penny you spend on it, ie nothing. But beware, do not just try them, , they could be infected. I once downloaded a Christmas carol cd and found a nasty Trojan inside it, so the season of goodwill is not safe either.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 3:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Index of /tts



http://www.grossgang.com/tts/
Hi all, This is the proper link that I mentioned before.
Please tell me if the link is safe or not.
This is where I got the Eloquence TTS from.
Thanks I really appreciate it.
Best Regards
michael Munn


Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

There's a way to remove those punctuation pauses, or shorten them. You have to edit a .ini file to do so. I'll have to try and find it and refresh my memory. Unfortunately you have to do it repeatedly as Windows updates keep putting it back to its former state.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Damien Garwood
Sent: October 3, 2018 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I hel to improve synthesizers

Hi there,
There is actually more chance of being able to improve ESpeak, as it is open-source. But you'll need a lot of expertise on the C programming language, vocal properties and phonetics, and digital audio processing.
To be honest, I can't stand OneCore because of its extreme lagginess, both before speaking and its punctuation pauses. Unfortunately, SAPI also seems to have plunged down a mountain, except, ironically, with NVDA itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/10/2018 12:25 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.

But I am disappointed.

The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the
Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.

The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of
the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.

The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that
are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.

So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of
all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the
English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that
sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even
lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different
intonation of capital letters.

So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the
solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to
suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?

To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore,
at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...







Re: NVDA and Win 10 1809

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Could this be text with ink and paper set the same?
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Win 10 1809


Hi, I got the same result from here. Kinda strange to hearing those on the background.


Robert Mendoza


On 10/3/2018 8:36 AM, Don H wrote:
NVDA seems to be running great with Win 10 1809. There is one strange thing that NVDA is voicing when entering the settings app. NVDA says
C equals Microsoft Windows O equals Microsoft Corporation L equals readman S equals washington and one more that I can't understand.s
Sighted help says there is nothing like this on the screen.
Not a game changer just a little annoying




Re: Go all, another question

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Where? Never heard of it.
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Subject: [nvda] Go all, another question


Hi This is Michael Munn. I have a question about the Grossgan's website.
In Grossgan.com there are some very good speech sinthesizers that a user can use with their NVDA Screen reader. I want to know is that a safe sight to download Those oices?
I don't want to break the rule.
Pbease respond if you can.
Best Regards
Michael Munn


Re: Captchas Revisited

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No just shoot the person who put it on the site.
I think many now use be my eyes of a smart phone but that is totally unacceptable. vote with your keyboard or grill them.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Captchas Revisited


I am not wanting to create a new flood on this one. (smiles) I could not keep up with the last thread on this topic so I may have missed any discussion about the object captchas (pictures) in particular.

Is there a way to solve this type of captchas? Usually I can get around captchas by contacting someone by email. But in one case, I must solve the captcha in order to contact support.

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in the past. What if it were true?


Re: Adobe reader

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It sometimes works but its tremendously s l o w on big files.
Indeed I often give up either way and ask the supplier for a doc file as by the time you get it loaded you then find its untagged and gibberish or a ruddy picture pdf.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe reader


You didn't say what method you were trying to use to change pages. I
have found that control+page-down/page-up is required to change pages,
not just pageup/pagedown by themselves.

Thanks,
Mike

On 10/2/18, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm using latest windows 10 and latest adobe reader dc. If I select read
only currently visible page, I can read pdf file but cant change page. Same
with for large document read only currently visible page. If i select read
entire document I cant open pdf file. How to fix it?




Re: Adobe reader

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I get exactly the same issue. I wonder if its actually just a very long delay in loading the data?
I now tend to use the pdf reader application from webbie, though when you want to save the text it has been known to moan a file is missing when its quite clearly in the path.
Adobe reader was working until quite recently though.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Adobe reader


I'm using latest windows 10 and latest adobe reader dc. If I select read
only currently visible page, I can read pdf file but cant change page. Same
with for large document read only currently visible page. If i select read
entire document I cant open pdf file. How to fix it?



Re: adnormal reaction

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No but it could not hold all the data uia holds. However I am still happy with how nvda canstill use Outlook Express on my windows 7 machine. Until somebody makes a sensible email and news client with all the nice bits but none of the bloat of Outlook I'll carry on with it.

It has to not be using uia as it predates it. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction


Msaa never had all the issues uia has now.



On 10/3/2018 4:56 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Even then, there are times when UIA may get involved in this problem, holding up NVDA for some reason. NV Access tried one solution, but had to back out due to that solution causing crashes in Windows 7. A subsequent solution is now available in alpha snapshots.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction

If this was the case Joseph, the number of things I have open in 7 and lots of buffering files should slow it down, but its not. Obviously there are occasional glitches where a core maxes out if you go too mad, but in 7, I've yet to see the slow down. About the only time I've noticed anything like it is when typing in a file name for a file over the top of an old one, but that is it really.
Windows 7 was always more secure and faster than the ten I used on similar hardware, which is another reason I've still not got a permanent 10 system here.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction


Hi,

Short answer: hopefully this should be mitigated somewhat very soon.

Long explanation: this sort of slow down is caused by an app that raises so
many events to a point where UI Automation subsystem doesn’t have time to
catch up, slowing down NVDA in the process. This is partly NVDA’s fault, and
this has been addressed to some degree in NVDA 2018.4 for Windows 7, 8.x,
and Windows 10 releases prior to Version 1809; Microsoft addressed this in
Version 1809 and NVDA 2018.3 includes mitigations for Windows 10 Version
1809.

Cheers,

Joseph



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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction



i am using winrar. I have noticed something similar when I am saving a file
in Goldwave. things seem to slow down in file explorer.I cannot do anything
until the task is finished.this includes copying a file from one folder to
another.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction



I guess you could use a 3rd party extracting program like 7zip or WinRAR



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To: NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] adnormal reaction



when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until
the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a
file explorer window.

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Re: adnormal reaction

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I did not see any crashes in my windows 7 on that particular snap, but then since I do not have the issue, maybe that was why I never got a crash!
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Hi,
Even then, there are times when UIA may get involved in this problem, holding up NVDA for some reason. NV Access tried one solution, but had to back out due to that solution causing crashes in Windows 7. A subsequent solution is now available in alpha snapshots.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction

If this was the case Joseph, the number of things I have open in 7 and lots of buffering files should slow it down, but its not. Obviously there are occasional glitches where a core maxes out if you go too mad, but in 7, I've yet to see the slow down. About the only time I've noticed anything like it is when typing in a file name for a file over the top of an old one, but that is it really.
Windows 7 was always more secure and faster than the ten I used on similar hardware, which is another reason I've still not got a permanent 10 system here.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2018 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction


Hi,

Short answer: hopefully this should be mitigated somewhat very soon.

Long explanation: this sort of slow down is caused by an app that raises so
many events to a point where UI Automation subsystem doesn’t have time to
catch up, slowing down NVDA in the process. This is partly NVDA’s fault, and
this has been addressed to some degree in NVDA 2018.4 for Windows 7, 8.x,
and Windows 10 releases prior to Version 1809; Microsoft addressed this in
Version 1809 and NVDA 2018.3 includes mitigations for Windows 10 Version
1809.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc
Wright godfearer
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 3:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction



i am using winrar. I have noticed something similar when I am saving a file
in Goldwave. things seem to slow down in file explorer.I cannot do anything
until the task is finished.this includes copying a file from one folder to
another.

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:30 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] adnormal reaction



I guess you could use a 3rd party extracting program like 7zip or WinRAR



From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>
Sent: 02 October 2018 09:56
To: NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] adnormal reaction



when i extract a zipped file I can do nothing else in file explorer until
the zipped file is fully unpacked. Is this normal? this only happens in a
file explorer window.

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Re: NVDA and Win 10 1809

Don H
 

Why are some users hearing this extra verbage and others are not?

On 10/3/2018 12:22 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I bet this is yet another live region text that should be suppressed from my end (once again). I’d say don’t worry about this too much.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Mendoza
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Win 10 1809

 

Hi, in addition to my earlier post this only occur in NVDA specifically  but in JAWS works fine. So, I presume NVDA reading something or voicing it from the background the scenario happens only when opening the Settings dialog by pressing the
Windows keys plus I

As for troubleshooting, I did to disable the addons to ensure NVDA 2018.3.2
reads again by got the same results.

Though significantly not affecting but somehow annoying so I believe this has a fix or workaround in the future.

As for the record again, pasting the line that is reading by NVDA 2018.3.2in Windows 10 1809:

 C equals Microsoft Windows O equals Microsoft Corporation L equals
 readman  S equals washington



Robert Mendoza

On 10/3/2018 12:29 PM, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

Dear friends, I’m using windows 10 version 2018.09 build OS17763 with NVDA 2018.3.2 but I’m not hearing any kind of extra announcement!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Mendoza
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 8:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Win 10 1809

 

Hi, I got the same result from here. Kinda strange to hearing those on

the background.

 

 

Robert Mendoza

 

 

On 10/3/2018 8:36 AM, Don H wrote:

> NVDA seems to be running great with Win 10 1809.  There is one strange

> thing that NVDA is voicing when entering the settings app. NVDA says

> C equals Microsoft Windows O equals Microsoft Corporation L equals

> readman  S equals washington and one more that I can't understand.s

> Sighted help says there is nothing like this on the screen.

> Not a game changer just a little annoying

>

 

 

 

 

 



Re: NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"

Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
 

Anyone have any input on this? I have a presentation on Friday and need to use power point.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua Crary
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 9:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"

 

Hello

 

I am running the latest NVDA and PPT 2016.  The files are not in protected mode.  In edit view, I can read the slides. However, in presentation mode (after pressing F5), and all NVDA reads out loud is “slide show complete”.  I hit space bar twice, and it exits the slide show.

 

Any thoughts on what the issue is?  I have not had this issue before with NVDA until the last 3 months or so.  Before then, it has always worked well with PPT.

 

 

 

Joshh Crary

Director of Student Accessibility Services

Roxbury Community College

Roxbury, MA 02120

857.701.1410

jcrary@...

 

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Re: How can I hel to improve synthesizers

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi there,
There is actually more chance of being able to improve ESpeak, as it is open-source. But you'll need a lot of expertise on the C programming language, vocal properties and phonetics, and digital audio processing.
To be honest, I can't stand OneCore because of its extreme lagginess, both before speaking and its punctuation pauses. Unfortunately, SAPI also seems to have plunged down a mountain, except, ironically, with NVDA itself.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 03/10/2018 12:25 PM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
    Hi,
I recently upgraded to Windows 10 mainly to use the OneCore Voices.
But I am disappointed.
The OneCore USA voices are very good, but I am from Brazil and the Portuguese brazillian voices are very bad.
The spelling, for example, is done with the english pronunciation of the letters. Very weird and difficult to understand.
The intonation is far behind of Espeak and there so many words that are pronounced the wrong way. Irritating.
So, I am forced to use eSpeak most of the time, even being tired of all those unpleasant robotic voices and, every time I need to use the English language, change to one of the American OneCore voices, that sound better, have good intonation, almost no mispronunciation, even lacking some characteristics I like in eSpeak, as the different intonation of capital letters.
So, as I know eSpeak will probably continue to sound robotic, the solution is to improve OneCore voices. Then, how can I do that? How to suggest improvements and correct errors in brazillian vocabulary?
To be honest, I really do prefer eSpeak. It is far ahead of OneCore, at least in brazillian Portuguese. If only it sounded like OneCore...