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Re: NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"
Mike Sedmak
Once the slideshow starts are you using the arrow keys to attempt to
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read the slides?
On 10/3/18, Joshua Crary <JCrary@...> wrote:
It is 7 slides and I start the slide show with F5, having had high lighted
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Re: SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases
Hi, Current release process for Python 3.x notes that each 3.x release receives support for five years. We’ll move along Python 3.x releases. As for what Python 4.0.0 will be like, as of 2018, the crystal ball isn’t even showing that version yet. As for what add-on authors will do, it is up to them to decide. What we the community can do is provide guidelines and recommendations, as well as coordinate our efforts. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:13 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases
What will happen when Python 3 reaches end of life? Is all this going to be gone through again when Python 4 becomes the supported version? How many add-on developers are going to be willing to go through this every ten years? Doesn't each version of Python have a life cycle of ten years?
This needs further clarification.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 11:58 AM Subject: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases
Dear NVDA community,
A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:
SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make it work with old Windows releases.
Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:
You don’t really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification area – you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.
As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version 3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014, Python 3.4’s scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.
This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.
So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces transition to Python 3:
For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on included), I’ll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version 18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in November, SystrayList 3.0.
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"
Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
It is 7 slides and I start the slide show with F5, having had high lighted the first slide.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 12:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete" A couple sanity check questions: How many slides in the presentation? Are you using f5 to start the presentation at the beginning? In the past I have found that if I use f5 then escape then f5 a second time, the slides are readable on the second time. YMMV Mike On 10/3/18, Joshua Crary <JCrary@...> wrote: Anyone have any input on this? I have a presentation on Friday and Caution: This email originated from outside of Roxbury Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
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Re: SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases
Gene
What will happen when Python 3 reaches end of
life? Is all this going to be gone through again when Python 4 becomes the
supported version? How many add-on developers are going to be willing to
go through this every ten years? Doesn't each version of Python have a
life cycle of ten years?
This needs further clarification.
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 11:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of
support for unsupported Windows releases Dear NVDA community,
A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:
SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make it work with old Windows releases.
Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:
You don’t really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification area – you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.
As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version 3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014, Python 3.4’s scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.
This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.
So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces transition to Python 3:
For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on included), I’ll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version 18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in November, SystrayList 3.0.
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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Problem with Adobe reader
Hi!
I have problem with adobe reader. It doesn't read a tables to me. It is maybe, because Adobe was updated. Have You somebody previous versions? Thank You. Marco
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Re: Captchas Revisited
Ron Canazzi
Someone just reported on another list that Runalla is defunct.
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On 10/3/2018 12:56 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Rumolla if you can get it to workis grate.It is I think $1 for 100 credits and you have 3 months to use them but the service is grate. --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?
Hi,
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Yep, thanks for this one. This is going to be used to compare against those running 2018.3.x. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 10:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds? Running the latest version of Windows 10, 1809 Rel 17673, and last NVDA alpha, the lag in File explorer seems a thing of past... Rui Fontes Às 17:18 de 03/10/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu: Hi,study. Thanks. moment).
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Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?
Rui Fontes
Running the latest version of Windows 10, 1809 Rel 17673, and last NVDA alpha, the lag in File explorer seems a thing of past...
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Rui Fontes Às 17:18 de 03/10/2018, Joseph Lee escreveu:
Hi,
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Re: Files not showing
JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
*grins* It happens. Glad you found your files.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: October 3, 2018 12:55 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Files not showing
How to be stupid:
Of course, I wouldn't make a mistake and put all my files into one of those subfolders? hahaha! So, when I looked into those subfolders, there they were.
See my next message for the next stupid mistake.
Thanks to all who tried to help. Howard
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Re: Adobe reader
Adobe reader depending on your system cpu, etc can take a long time to load first time I notice this on slower boxes.
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It can take a time to process big files sometimes it will crash usually when that happens I have it handle it as a top down file and hope.
On 10/4/2018 3:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I get exactly the same issue. I wonder if its actually just a very long delay in loading the data?
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Re: Captchas Revisited
Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
E.T. via Groups.Io <ancient.aliens@...> wrote:
I have not used Be My Eyes and it would be quite a painful process I I agree on that one. It's a real pain to try and get a web cam focused on a monitor for such things as reading bios screens and such; never mind small areas like a captcha. I don't imagine a phone would be much easier to focus properly.
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rate of speech
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
On my notebook (IBM thinkpad t40) I can use
the
NVDA+shift+control nd up or ddown to change speech
rate. On my new HP6300 desktop, that key command makes it go faster but
not slower. I made the mistake of thinking after it got fast it would go
in a circle and start slow again. Not happen. Got it too fast to
understand. Now I can't get it slower again. Tried using jaws but it
makes me start the computer and, of course, jaws is off and nvda is running very
fast. Well then, there is narrator, but I can't remember how to start
narrator.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
Howard
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Re: Captchas Revisited
I did at Walmart. It took a while but they pulled the captchas. The difference though was that I did not have to deal with a captcha to contact their support.
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I finally posted to the support forum where hopefully tech support monitors and will respond to my concerns. I have not used Be My Eyes and it would be quite a painful process I would only use as a last resort. From E.T.'s Keyboard... Ancient.Aliens@... Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true?
On 10/3/2018 7:51 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No just shoot the person who put it on the site.
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SystrayList add-on: version 3.x, Python 3, end of support for unsupported Windows releases
Dear NVDA community,
A few days ago the add-ons community were told the following:
SystrayList add-on 3.0 will make the code compatible with Python 3 and make it work with old Windows releases.
Subsequent comments indicate that, although we still need to support old Windows releases if given a chance, we should eventually move onto newer releases. Thus, the following will happen in November 2018 and beyond:
You don’t really have to use this add-on to access Taskbar and notification area – you can press Windows+T to move to Taskbar and Windows+B to move focus to notification area. The add-on is there for convenience.
As for the question of Python 3 and old Windows releases: the version of Python 3 NV Access and some developers are looking at does not support Windows releases earlier than 7. There is a version of Python 3 (version 3.4) that does support old Windows releases, but by the time NVDA moves to Python 3, that Python version will reach end of life (released in 2014, Python 3.4’s scheduled end of life is 2019). Coupled with the fact that recent NVDA requires Windows 7, it was decided to end support for old Windows releases from SystrayList add-on once we move to Python 3.
This naturally raises the question: if Python 3 drops support for Windows XP and Vista, and if one add-on drops support for these, how about other add-ons? Yes, other add-ons that exclusively rely on Python 2 will not work in Python 3 version of NVDA. There are some add-ons the community has come to rely on that assumes Python 2 from the outset, and for some, it is difficult to port the source code to Python 3 without extensive testing and modifications. This is especially true for speech synthesizer and braille display driver add-ons, as the way Python interprets texts has changed fundamentally in Python 3. This also means once we do use Python 3 in NVDA Core itself, we must say goodbye to Windows XP and Vista.
So what should the add-ons community do, and in extension, what can the global NVDA community do? Although the details of the transition is still being worked out (with some developers researching possible showstoppers), I recommend the following to be done for now until NV Access announces transition to Python 3:
For users of add-ons I created or am maintaining (SystrayList add-on included), I’ll make sure my add-ons are compatible with Python 3 the first day Python 3 edition of NVDA is released. Speaking of that progress, version 18.10 of Object Location Tones and ObjPad are Python 3 compatible, and in November, SystrayList 3.0.
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Captchas Revisited
Rumolla if you can get it to workis grate.It is I think $1 for 100 credits and you have 3 months to use them but the service is grate.
On 2 Oct 2018, at 16:50, E.T. via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Files not showing
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
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How to be stupid:
Of course, I wouldn't make a mistake and put all my
files into one of those subfolders? hahaha! So, when I looked into those
subfolders, there they were.
See my next message for the next stupid
mistake.
Thanks to all who tried to help.
Howard
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Re: NVDA not reading slides in Presentation mode "slide show complete"
Mike Sedmak
A couple sanity check questions:
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How many slides in the presentation? Are you using f5 to start the presentation at the beginning? In the past I have found that if I use f5 then escape then f5 a second time, the slides are readable on the second time. YMMV Mike
On 10/3/18, Joshua Crary <JCrary@...> wrote:
Anyone have any input on this? I have a presentation on Friday and need to
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ObjPad and Object Location Tones 18.10
#addonrelease
Hi all,
Two add-ons updated today:
You can obtain these add-ons (or check for updates) in a number of ways:
Note: as of version 18.10, ObjPad and Object Location Tones are Python 3 compatible.
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?
Hi, For those reporting continued problems: are you sure you are all running Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update/build 17763)? If you all say “no”, then I’m afraid I cannot use your reports for this study. Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?
Hi. Actually the problem is more severe when using intensive resource apps like Sound forge and Magix Samplitude. NVDA totally freezes in the windows explorer view and takes some time to respond even after these apps have gone out of scope. Cheers!
On 3/10/2018 2:00 PM, Afik Suffir wrote:
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Re: FW: [win10] A small request: can folks using NVDA 2018.3.x on Windows 10 Version 1809 try running intensive tasks and see if File Explorer responds?
Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
Hi. Actually the problem is more severe when using intensive
resource apps like Sound forge and Magix Samplitude. NVDA totally
freezes in the windows explorer view and takes some time to
respond even after these apps have gone out of scope. Cheers!
On 3/10/2018 2:00 PM, Afik Suffir
wrote:
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