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Re: NVDA and the audible app

Daniel Wolak
 

Hi David,

Just to say that you're not the only one experiencing this. I had exactly the same issue last evening on audible.co.uk, and turning software verification on fixed it. Not sure if it's a problem with their site or what.

Cheers,


Daniel


On 06/10/2018 17:14, David Griffith wrote:

 

I have got Audible downloading again but oddly I have  had to turn software verification on to achieve this.

Below is a thread copied which describes this.

Dear Henry

This is very useful.

Oddly I already had the recommended settings as described in your email.

However as an experiment I turned software verification on and the necessary download started without problem.

So in my case taking the entirely opposite approach to software verification worked.

I don’t know if something has changed on the website.

I would not have known to look here without your email though.

So thanks again.

Hi David

I have also encountered this problem and audible sent me the following fix:

"Hello Henry ,

Thank you for contacting Audible!

There is a software verification setting within your “Account Details” page, which needs to be turned off. Once turned off, you should be able to download

your Audible book. Below we have included the steps on how to turn off this software verification:

1.    Please log into your Audible account.

2.    Hover your mouse over "Hi, henry !" and click on "Account Details".

3.    Click on "Update Settings" tab on the left-hand side of the page.

4.    Scroll down the page and you will see Software Verification. Please be sure to turn this off.

5.    Please hover your mouse over "Library" located on the top of the page and select the subtab"Library",

http://www.audible.co.uk/lib,

and download your audiobook title from there.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: 06 October 2018 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the UK

I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10.

There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on that it states you need the Audible app installed.

As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very bad news indeed.

I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any acknowledgement.

So for me as of last night  Audible appears  inaccessible for blind users of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible books.

As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have paid for over the years I am not a happy customer.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Eventually covers a long period of potential time.  Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are still many around?  This sounds like something that may be perhaps three years away.  I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.

 

Also, why assume the worst case?  Why contact blindness organizations first?  Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens.  Audible has a good record on accessibility.  If there is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable and
arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind
organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them. I
would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they
stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap of
windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and
pretty dire even for the sighted.
 Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the  main issue.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app


> Hi,
> This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here hoping
> someone tells me I am mistaken.
> I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I
> conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the
> Audible download manager.
> WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would
> eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the Audible
> app for Windows 10.
> As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will work
> with the Audible app for Windows 10.
> I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for
> those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in the
> future.
> The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when they
> would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had already
> stopped updating it.
> Regards
> Chris
>
>
>

 

 



Re: NVDA and the audible app

David Griffith
 

 

I have got Audible downloading again but oddly I have  had to turn software verification on to achieve this.

Below is a thread copied which describes this.

Dear Henry

This is very useful.

Oddly I already had the recommended settings as described in your email.

However as an experiment I turned software verification on and the necessary download started without problem.

So in my case taking the entirely opposite approach to software verification worked.

I don’t know if something has changed on the website.

I would not have known to look here without your email though.

So thanks again.

Hi David

I have also encountered this problem and audible sent me the following fix:

"Hello Henry ,

Thank you for contacting Audible!

There is a software verification setting within your “Account Details” page, which needs to be turned off. Once turned off, you should be able to download

your Audible book. Below we have included the steps on how to turn off this software verification:

1.    Please log into your Audible account.

2.    Hover your mouse over "Hi, henry !" and click on "Account Details".

3.    Click on "Update Settings" tab on the left-hand side of the page.

4.    Scroll down the page and you will see Software Verification. Please be sure to turn this off.

5.    Please hover your mouse over "Library" located on the top of the page and select the subtab"Library",

http://www.audible.co.uk/lib,

and download your audiobook title from there.

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: David Griffith
Sent: 06 October 2018 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the UK

I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10.

There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on that it states you need the Audible app installed.

As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very bad news indeed.

I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any acknowledgement.

So for me as of last night  Audible appears  inaccessible for blind users of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible books.

As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have paid for over the years I am not a happy customer.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Eventually covers a long period of potential time.  Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are still many around?  This sounds like something that may be perhaps three years away.  I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.

 

Also, why assume the worst case?  Why contact blindness organizations first?  Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens.  Audible has a good record on accessibility.  If there is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable and
arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind
organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them. I
would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they
stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap of
windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and
pretty dire even for the sighted.
 Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the  main issue.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app


> Hi,
> This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here hoping
> someone tells me I am mistaken.
> I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I
> conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the
> Audible download manager.
> WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would
> eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the Audible
> app for Windows 10.
> As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will work
> with the Audible app for Windows 10.
> I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for
> those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in the
> future.
> The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when they
> would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had already
> stopped updating it.
> Regards
> Chris
>
>
>

 

 


Re: bookkeeping program

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Do you have MSOffice? Why not using a spreadsheet, or two, for your needs?

Excell could be a bit of a learning curve, in case you never worked with spreadsheets before. If there would be certain operations you think you could not do with Excel,or the like, let us know, and see if someone happens to know what to do. I do realize, this might not be covering all features you want, and hence the advice was just for an idea. Still, it might take care of the more basics, if that is all you need.


On 10/6/2018 5:33 PM, Didier Colle wrote:

what about ledger? see https://www.ledger-cli.org/download.html


On 30/09/2018 20:37, Jean wrote:

I am still looking for a bookkeeping program that can be EASILY accessed by NVDA.  Quick Books would be my choice, but I don’t want to spend the money if it won’t work.

Is anyone using any kind of bookkeeping program that you can tell me about?

Thanks so much.

Jean

PS:  I am not a computer whiz.  Most of what you all talk about is way over my head.  I am a little old lady in Arizona working on my standup comedy career. (smiles)




Re: bookkeeping program

Didier Colle
 

On 30/09/2018 20:37, Jean wrote:

I am still looking for a bookkeeping program that can be EASILY accessed by NVDA.  Quick Books would be my choice, but I don’t want to spend the money if it won’t work.

Is anyone using any kind of bookkeeping program that you can tell me about?

Thanks so much.

Jean

PS:  I am not a computer whiz.  Most of what you all talk about is way over my head.  I am a little old lady in Arizona working on my standup comedy career. (smiles)



Re: Not able to read pdf file

Lino Morales
 

Hi. Well we don’t know what type of file it is. Is it an image? Was it improperly formatted perhaps? We don’t know. What is it supposed to be sir?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2018 11:30:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Not able to read pdf file
 

I'm Fahim from Dhaka, Bangladesh. I habe a pdf file. But, I'm not able to read it. I used abby fine reader and open book. But, failed to read it. Screen readers reads as there are lots of simbles. How to read it!


Not able to read pdf file

farhan israk
 

I'm Fahim from Dhaka, Bangladesh. I habe a pdf file. But, I'm not able to read it. I used abby fine reader and open book. But, failed to read it. Screen readers reads as there are lots of simbles. How to read it!


Re: 38 degrees

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 


Yes exactly they are using email formats which are not truly to spec, so how can one really be expected to do anything with them.
Do these people not test their emails on all the clients, I wonder? Shoddy work in my opinion. Do you not have any way to tell them their emails are rubbish?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] 38 degrees

                                I use Windows mail. I also have outlook, but using that the graphic does not show up.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 38 degrees

 

What are you using to get your email?

IE is it a client, if so, which one and is it set to display in html?

If its online web mail which site is it?

Personally I've had some horribly designed hover over rubbish sent to me

from  these sort of sites and ended up viewing the page source to get at the

links.

 

Brian

 

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From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>

To: <nvda@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:22 AM

Subject: [nvda] 38 degrees

 

 

I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I

had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an

ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only

use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA and the audible app

Richard Bartholomew
 

If you go into account settings and disable the option for software verification, you should still be able to download books - at least, I have been able to on the audible.com site and would presume it is the same on the audible.co.uk one, too.


Regards

Richard Bartholomew

On 6 Oct 2018, at 15:15, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the UK

I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10.

There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on that it states you need the Audible app installed.

As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very bad news indeed.

I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any acknowledgement.

So for me as of last night  Audible appears  inaccessible for blind users of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible books.

As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have paid for over the years I am not a happy customer.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Eventually covers a long period of potential time.  Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are still many around?  This sounds like something that may be perhaps three years away.  I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.

 

Also, why assume the worst case?  Why contact blindness organizations first?  Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens.  Audible has a good record on accessibility.  If there is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable and
arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind
organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them. I
would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they
stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap of
windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and
pretty dire even for the sighted.
 Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the  main issue.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app


> Hi,
> This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here hoping
> someone tells me I am mistaken.
> I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I
> conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the
> Audible download manager.
> WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would
> eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the Audible
> app for Windows 10.
> As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will work
> with the Audible app for Windows 10.
> I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for
> those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in the
> future.
> The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when they
> would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had already
> stopped updating it.
> Regards
> Chris
>
>
>


 


Re: NVDA and the audible app

David Griffith
 

I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the UK

I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10.

There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on that it states you need the Audible app installed.

As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very bad news indeed.

I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any acknowledgement.

So for me as of last night  Audible appears  inaccessible for blind users of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible books.

As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have paid for over the years I am not a happy customer.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Eventually covers a long period of potential time.  Are they going to cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are still many around?  This sounds like something that may be perhaps three years away.  I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.

 

Also, why assume the worst case?  Why contact blindness organizations first?  Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens.  Audible has a good record on accessibility.  If there is a problem, talking with them may cause it to be solved.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 1:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app

 

Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable and
arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind
organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them. I
would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they
stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap of
windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and
pretty dire even for the sighted.
 Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the  main issue.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app


> Hi,
> This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here hoping
> someone tells me I am mistaken.
> I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I
> conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the
> Audible download manager.
> WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would
> eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the Audible
> app for Windows 10.
> As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will work
> with the Audible app for Windows 10.
> I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for
> those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in the
> future.
> The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when they
> would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had already
> stopped updating it.
> Regards
> Chris
>
>
>


 


Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Richard Wells
 

I just finished upgrading eight machines without incident using both the windows update method and the Media Creation Tool.


On 10/6/2018 2:31 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
this only happens if you choose not to maintain your default folders. Such as the folders that fall under the users folder.music.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading.
--
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

Image for windows and clone zilla are also excellent tools and fully accessible.

Cheers,

Mo.



On 06/10/2018 08:27, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
You might check out Casper. I used it to clone my C drive to an SSD drive and it worked flawlessly with no accessibility hiccups.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 9:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup

There has been much discussion on several groups about an entirely accessible backup utility with regard to actually taking a full system image backup.  I have yet to find a backup and recovery utility that is 100% accessible in all respects, but Macrium Reflect, Version 7, is 100% accessible for creating a full system image backup for "the typical user" who keeps the typical disc arrangement under Windows where all OS files and user data files are on the C: drive.

Given what's been happening over the last several days with the Windows 10 Version 1809 feature update it is really critical to take a full system image backup before it is applied.

Here's the link to download the step-by-step instructions, along with notes about setting things up, in MS-Word format:

Using Macrium Reflect With a Screen Reader To Take a Full System Image Backup

You should be presented with a Save dialog shortly after activating the link. 

I went through this process from beginning to end using NVDA to control everything.  I cannot imagine that things should be different in JAWS and possibly even Narrator.  If there are any significant differences that you encounter please share them on this topic.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 



Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup

 

Most restores are for recovery from drive failure of some sort, so you are correct that they occur outside the normal Windows environment.  Most use Windows PE as part of that, but Windows PE is not Windows.

One also generally has to tweak UEFI/BIOS to change the default boot order, which is also inaccessible.

Hence the reason I state I am not concerned with the recovery part.  You will need an assistant if you're recovering from hardware failure or something like a terribly botched update as it involves doing things where no screen reader support is available.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134  

    The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another.  Everybody knows that this is untrue. . .

           ~ Bertrand Russell

 

 


Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

no.
windows 10 is the largest tested software in the history of computers
with a large number of insiders at least 20 million insiders.
and no software is perfect even windows 7 or windows 8 is not perfect
but all i can say is that they have at least admited the bug and are fixing it.

On 10/6/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
This article deals with business users of Windows 10 but my guess is that
many of the issues, at least in terms of stability and bugs in new full
upgrades, refer to individual consumers as well.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3238005/microsoft-windows/microsofts-windows-10-update-strategy-is-showing-strains.html

And, you will see that there is an actual term, I believe Microsoft uses
and promotes it, "Windows As A Service." I strongly maintain that Windows
is an operating system before it is a service and my view is that Microsoft
has this backwards in Windows 10.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 6:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition


I doubt admitting bugs is a new culture at all. These releases are released
six months apart. Either too many changes are made atoo close to the time
of release to test for properly, or there is an insufficient testing base.
If two full upgrades a year are too much to test properly, then only havbe
one. Windows users, I think, would much rather have properly tested
releases without the problems, some of which cripple the systems of many
users, when many of these releases are made.

Windows is releasing versions too quickly, it is my guess because the
emphasis has changed from stability to cramming new features into Windows to
entice people to use more services Microsoft makes money from. Why did
Microsoft give Windows 10 away for a year? Actually, they aggressively
badgered Windows users to upgrade. They didn't do so for humanitarian
reasons. They did so because Windows is far more a means of promoting
Microsoft services than it used to be.

I suspect the problem is both that new services are added too quickly to be
tested properly and that the sample for testing in the insider program is
too limited.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition


Hi!
Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of
admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in
developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures
are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge.
Best,
Felix
Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:

Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which
are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested
before release. How many update cycles have wee seen where there are
major problems with the release? Maybe the insiders program isn't large
enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those
testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of
machines.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer
<godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:

I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web
site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used
for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works
just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find
yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to
use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Hi, Abbie,



I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what
could be happening.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie
Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition



What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files
in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good
idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else
had this experience after upgrading.
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com





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Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Gene
 

This article deals with business users of Windows 10 but my guess is that many of the issues, at least in terms of stability and bugs in new full upgrades, refer to individual consumers as well. 
 
And, you will see that there is an actual term, I believe Microsoft uses  and promotes it, "Windows As A Service."  I strongly maintain that Windows is an operating system before it is a service and my view is that Microsoft has this backwards in Windows 10.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

I doubt admitting bugs is a new culture at all.  These releases are released six months apart.  Either too many changes are made atoo close to the time of release to test for properly, or there is an insufficient testing base.  If two full upgrades a year are too much to test properly, then only havbe one.  Windows users, I think, would much rather have properly tested releases without the problems, some of which cripple the systems of many users, when many of these releases are made. 
 
Windows is releasing versions too quickly, it is my guess because the emphasis has changed from stability to cramming new features into Windows to entice people to use more services Microsoft makes money from.  Why did Microsoft give Windows 10 away for a year?  Actually, they aggressively badgered Windows users to upgrade.  They didn't do so for humanitarian reasons.  They did so because Windows is far more a means of promoting Microsoft services than it used to be. 
 
I suspect the problem is both that new services are added too quickly to be tested properly and that the sample for testing in the insider program is too limited.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Hi!
Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of
admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in
developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures
are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge.
Best,
Felix
Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
>
> Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested before release.  How many update cycles have wee seen where there are major problems with the release?  Maybe the insiders program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of machines.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Austin Pinto
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM
> To: nvda
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>
> Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
>>
>> I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>>
>> Hi, Abbie,
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what could be happening.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>>
>>
>>
>> What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading.
>> --
>> Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
>> http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
>> http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
>> abbietaylor945@...
>
>



Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Gene
 

I doubt admitting bugs is a new culture at all.  These releases are released six months apart.  Either too many changes are made atoo close to the time of release to test for properly, or there is an insufficient testing base.  If two full upgrades a year are too much to test properly, then only havbe one.  Windows users, I think, would much rather have properly tested releases without the problems, some of which cripple the systems of many users, when many of these releases are made. 
 
Windows is releasing versions too quickly, it is my guess because the emphasis has changed from stability to cramming new features into Windows to entice people to use more services Microsoft makes money from.  Why did Microsoft give Windows 10 away for a year?  Actually, they aggressively badgered Windows users to upgrade.  They didn't do so for humanitarian reasons.  They did so because Windows is far more a means of promoting Microsoft services than it used to be. 
 
I suspect the problem is both that new services are added too quickly to be tested properly and that the sample for testing in the insider program is too limited.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Hi!
Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of
admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in
developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures
are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge.
Best,
Felix
Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
>
> Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested before release.  How many update cycles have wee seen where there are major problems with the release?  Maybe the insiders program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of machines.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Austin Pinto
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM
> To: nvda
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>
> Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
>>
>> I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>>
>> Hi, Abbie,
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what could be happening.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition
>>
>>
>>
>> What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading.
>> --
>> Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
>> http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
>> http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
>> abbietaylor945@...
>
>



Re: 38 degrees

Peter Beasley
 

                                I use Windows mail. I also have outlook, but using that the graphic does not show up.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 38 degrees

 

What are you using to get your email?

IE is it a client, if so, which one and is it set to display in html?

If its online web mail which site is it?

Personally I've had some horribly designed hover over rubbish sent to me

from  these sort of sites and ended up viewing the page source to get at the

links.

 

Brian

 

bglists@...

Sent via blueyonder.

Please address personal E-mail to:-

briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'

in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>

To: <nvda@groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:22 AM

Subject: [nvda] 38 degrees

 

 

I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I

had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an

ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only

use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: google chrome

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

This is true. Sometimes there would be an alert notification asking you: Are you sure you want to leave this page? If you don't respond to that prompt, you're not going anywhere. NVDA doesn't tell you when one discretely pops up. Maybe it's due to how Chrome displays them.


Wish there was a way to disable those stupid alerts for I'm not so old that I don't realize if I want to leave a page or not.

On 10/5/2018 2:48 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That depends on the way the page is designed. Many pages stop you going back which is one reason tabbed browsing was invented of  course.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: "NVDA" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] google chrome


When i click a link and go to another page I cannot alt+left arrow to get back to the previous page. it just sits there no matter how many times i repeat the command.






Re: Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Software is never perfect, and I, for one, prefer this new culture of
admitting bugs. I don't have enough information and experience in
developing software to judge whether or not their testing procedures
are adequate, which is why I choose not to judge.
Best,
Felix
Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 12:11 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


Maybe these full updates of Windows, released every six months, and which are, in effect, new full versions of Windows, aren't sufficiently tested before release. How many update cycles have wee seen where there are major problems with the release? Maybe the insiders program isn't large enough or maybe no or insufficient effort is made to make sure those testing cover a wide enough variety of different brands and models of machines.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 2:40 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Please wait for some days the update is withdrawn due to a major bug


On Sat, Oct 6, 2018, 1:04 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:

I would suggest using the mediaCreator that Microsoft offers on their web site. It is a lot faster than the update assistant.Normally it is used for creating a useable flashdrive to boot and install from but it works just as well when run from your download folder. also, if you find yourself in need of doing a clean install of windows this is the tool to use. i have done a clean install with no sighted help.

----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition

Hi, Abbie,



I didn't have that problem when I was upgrading. I don't understand what could be happening.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Fall Creators Edition



What about files being lost? Someone on another forum said all his files in his documents folder disappeared after he upgraded. I know it's a good idea to back things up before upgrading, but I'm wondering if anyone else had this experience after upgrading.
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@gmail.com


Re: 38 degrees

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What are you using to get your email?
IE is it a client, if so, which one and is it set to display in html?
If its online web mail which site is it?
Personally I've had some horribly designed hover over rubbish sent to me from these sort of sites and ended up viewing the page source to get at the links.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2018 11:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] 38 degrees


I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


38 degrees

Peter Beasley
 

I get e-mails from 38 degrees which is a petition site. Until recently, I had no problem entering on links to sign their petitions. Instead of an ordinary link, what I get now is graphic wrecked angle contains link. I only use NVDA, so has anyone got any ideas on how I can click on these links.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10