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Windows 10 version 1809 being shelved do to major issues

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


From our win10 sister list and other reputable sources in the wires and
colleagues from my personal network there have been loads of reports
about people losing their data when they upgrade from windows 10 version
1803 to version 1809. Microsoft has put the version 1809 update back on
the shelf until they figure out what is happening. This seems to be
happening to folks who are signed into one drive while they run the
upgrade. Systems that are not signed into one drive appear not to have
the issue.  You can read more of this here.


https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/6/17944966/microsoft-windows-10-october-2018-update-documents-deleted-issues-windows-update-paused


Tony


Re: Anyone having issues with the latest basic training for NVDA?

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


Just checked up on NV Access and haven't seen any new revisions of the
book, where did you find this? I purchased a copy of the book about a
year and a half ago myself and if there is a new revision to reflect
changes I'll like to have it myself.  Thanks mate.


Tony

On 10/8/2018 5:08 AM, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.


I am having a problem accessing the latest edition of the basic
training for NVDA archive. When I placed my order last year, I was
able to download a zip  archive containing different formats of the
book. I recently decided to download the latest archive to take in to
account latest improvements in NVDA. When downloading the
basic_training_for_NVDA-NVAccess-20180615.zip archive, it only
contains an HTML copy of the book. Are the other formats no longer
being produced? Is there any way of downloading the latest edition in
multiple formats without me having to convert them all manually?


Very best wishes,


Mo.





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Re: NVDA and the audible app

Lenron
 

Yeah that fixed it and they are working on it.

On 10/7/18, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
What's an anagram of conversation? Voices rant on.
Am Sa., 6. Okt. 2018 um 18:23 Uhr schrieb Monte Single
<mrsingle@sasktel.net>:

What rhymes with amazon and audible and apple?? Evil!!





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: October-06-18 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app



I am afraid it is already here and not 3 years away at least here in the
UK

I found last night when I went to my audible Library the download facility
now takes you to a so called “help” page which only gives the option of
using Audible iOS, Android, Echo etc and Windows 10.

There is an apparent option to use iTunes but if you follow the help on
that it states you need the Audible app installed.

As it is now imposible to download directly from the website this is very
bad news indeed.

I tried to open a “chat”with Audible support but after stating the problem
they did not respond at all- I waited for 30 minutes for any
acknowledgement.

So for me as of last night Audible appears inaccessible for blind users
of Windows and also for devices like the victor Reader Stream/Trek and
Pocket Plextalk which could until last week support the playing of Audible
books.

As I am now blocked from accessing something like 60 books that I have
paid for over the years I am not a happy customer.

David Griffith



My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts



From: Gene
Sent: 06 October 2018 11:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app



Eventually covers a long period of potential time. Are they going to
cause problems for Windows 7 users and Windows 8 users while there are
still many around? This sounds like something that may be perhaps three
years away. I don't know when support for Windows 8 ends and support for
Windows 7 is ending a little over a year from now.



Also, why assume the worst case? Why contact blindness organizations
first? Why not discuss it with Audible and see what happens. Audible has
a good record on accessibility. If there is a problem, talking with them
may cause it to be solved.



Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app



Well do not use them myself, but their attitude is surely unacceptable
and
arrogant in the extreme in my view. I'd actually report this to the blind
organisations in the country they are in and let them have a poke at them.
I
would imagine they might well be shooting themselves in the foot if they
stop supporting things that actually work in favour of some snazzy heap
of
windows app which is a format many people seem to think ill conceived and
pretty dire even for the sighted.
Yes its probably more secure, but that is not the main issue.
Brian

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From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 10:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the audible app


Hi,
This is mainlya request for the developers, but I'm posting it here
hoping
someone tells me I am mistaken.
I use the Aubible website for Audio book purchases and downloads. I
conteacted Audible with a request of helping me fix an issue with the
Audible download manager.
WHile they helped me fix the issue, the woman warned me that they would
eventually phase out the Audible download manager because of the
Audible
app for Windows 10.
As of right now, unless I am very much mistaken, NVDA nor JAWS will
work
with the Audible app for Windows 10.
I would ask that someone look into this as it may become necessary for
those of us that use the website to use the app to download books in
the
future.
The lady I talked to said she could not give me a time frame on when
they
would do away with the Audible download manager, but that they had
already
stopped updating it.
Regards
Chris






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Re: Sort of NVDA Question

Felix G.
 

Hi!
NVDA is Windows only, so can't be installed on Android, but in theory
you should be able to hear Talkback through Team Viewer. Maybe you
need to turn sound on in Team Viewer. Or TV for Android cannot
transmit sound to Windows, not sure about that one.
Best,
Felix
Am Mo., 8. Okt. 2018 um 12:26 Uhr schrieb Stephen Costigan
<stephen.costigan@outlook.com>:


Hi All,

I have a sort of NVDA related question.

I have an Android TV box and have it connected through Team Viewer with
my laptop, but I do not hear any speech back through my laptop. Is it
possible to install NVDA on the Android box?

Even with Talkback enabled on the Android box I hear nothing back
through the laptop.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Regards, Stephen




Sort of NVDA Question

Stephen Costigan
 

Hi All,

I have a sort of NVDA related question.

I have an Android TV box and have it connected through Team Viewer with
my laptop, but I do not hear any speech back through my laptop. Is it
possible to install NVDA on the Android box?

Even with Talkback enabled on the Android box I hear nothing back
through the laptop.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Regards, Stephen


Re: Problems with tables in Adobe reader

Marco Oros
 

I have tried It, but It didn't change.

Maybe this is special format of tables in this document, but previous versions reads those tables, as a tables, not as a text.

Dňa 7. 10. 2018 o 20:33 Desert Moon napísal(a):

Hello Marco and Else,

My PC is running Windows 10 with the latest NVDA (2018.3.2) and Adobe Reader DC 19. Don't have problems reading tables in PDF files using NVDA or Read Out Loud. Suggest you walk through the accessibility setup in Adobe:

https://helpx.adobe.com/ca/reader/using/accessibility-features.html






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Re: I'm back

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Welcome back. What dou you mean with “behave”? couldn’t find this word in the dictionary 😉

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Montag, 8. Oktober 2018 09:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I'm back

 

Hi everyone,

 

I hope you had a good week and behaved yourselves while I was away :)

 

I'm back now, and I've replied to a few messages here and there.  If I haven't replied to your message and you'd like my input on it, please let me know!

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Anyone having issues with the latest basic training for NVDA?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hello Everyone.


I am having a problem accessing the latest edition of the basic training for NVDA archive. When I placed my order last year, I was able to download a zip  archive containing different formats of the book. I recently decided to download the latest archive to take in to account latest improvements in NVDA. When downloading the basic_training_for_NVDA-NVAccess-20180615.zip archive, it only contains an HTML copy of the book. Are the other formats no longer being produced? Is there any way of downloading the latest edition in multiple formats without me having to convert them all manually?


Very best wishes,


Mo.


Re: Windows10 Screen Reader in Word #NVAccess

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It sounds to me like there is a user profile for just word set up. Look at the profiles dialogue and see what you have set up. My guess is either that word has it set to sappi 5 or there is a say all rule set for that synth. I can think of no other reason for the symptoms you have.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: <sven.zoephel@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2018 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows10 Screen Reader in Word #NVAccess


Hi Bryan,
Yes, I was using the sappi 5 voice until a short time ago. Now I found out that espeak automatically reads texts in German and English, which is nice - especially for homeworks with an English text and German questions...
I've tried to change the speech setting in NVDA, but as I explained: In Word it's always switched back to sappi 5 if I close the NVDA speech settings. Are there any program specific settings somewhere? Or even better: Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between different languages in sappi 5?
Cheers, Sven


I'm back

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I hope you had a good week and behaved yourselves while I was away :)

I'm back now, and I've replied to a few messages here and there.  If I haven't replied to your message and you'd like my input on it, please let me know!

Regards

Quentin.

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Re: Windows10 Screen Reader in Word #NVAccess

Sylvie Duchateau
 




Hello Sven,
If you use the Microsoft OneCore voices in windows 10, there is also a multilingual support.
You just need to install the voices you need. This is in the speech parmeters of Windows.
Once you have installed the voices, changing languages work, I just tested it in a Word document written in French, German and English.
1. You have to make sure that language automatic detection is checked in Nvda parameters, speech, automatic language change.
2. In Word, when yo write in different languages, you have to check in the statuts bar, that your text selection is in the right language. Press f6 several times to reach the status bar, then use the arrow keys to read in which language the selection is.
3. When you read the document, the languages should work fine.
I just tested the same document with Espeak and language changes work here.
Do not hesitate if I can help.
Best
Sylvie

Le 07/10/2018 à 20:11, sven.zoephel@... a écrit :
I‘ve got a strange problem in Word under Win10. The system is setup to use the NVDA eSpeak NG as screen reader now, because it is the only screen reader with multi-language support for Word, so it can read texts in English and German without problems. I‘ve used Microsoft Speech API v5 before, because the voice is very natural. 
All Windows commands (etc.) are using eSpeak NG, but Word is still using the Microsoft Speech API v5! Only if I open the NVDA speech settings, eSpeak NG is also used as screen reader for Word. As soon as I close the settings dialog, Word switches back to the MS API! I can even confirm that when looking into the NVDA log. It also shows the switching. Is there a way to prevent this? Or is there another way to get multi-language-support?


Re: Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with Donating . . .

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

Are they coming from one of our pages to donate?  On our donation page for instance: https://www.nvaccess.org/support-us/#donation-support it lists a range of suggested values, all in Australian dollars, with the last one in each row being an edit box you can change the value of.  When you activate one of the buttons, it then takes you to PayPal ready to make a payment of that amount.  I think once you give it your credit card details, it might work out where you are from and what amount it will withdraw in your local currency?

If you go to PayPal's site and "Pay someone", then you can select the currency and choose either to send a set amount in your local currency - and it indicates how much we will receive in Australian dollars, or you can choose to donate an amount in Australian dollars and it advises how much that will be in your local currency.

We did have a currency conversion widget on the old site, but it hadn't worked for some time, so we dropped it from the new site.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 3:45 AM Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:
But it is only donations all other transactions work like they are supposed
to work.

Danny

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 1:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with
Donating . . .

Often if your card has expired, yet your new card is on their account at
Paypal you have to go in and make the new one default as some banks systems
are so bloomin thick they never ask to try the other card. What  I did was
delete the old one making the current one default, by default, if you get my
drift.
Other things can upset it. Sometimes you can tie it to an account without a
card but have a transaction limit of some sort set. This can cause problems
as well. Very handy for stopping fraud of course, but if your account is not
using an overdraft and the credit limit is small, it tends to just not  know
what to do.
I guess it is dangerous to use a debit cared, as credit cards afford some
protection, but I've not been  hacked yet, and the banks do tend to put the
money back in a goodwill gesture so far if people I talk to are anything to
go by.
But, this is all academic. It has to be something wrong with the set up
that gives such errors, and only trying to find which bit is the solution,
from what I've read here, its usually the bank. Some banks will not agree
till you reply to an email they send you and click a link in the account.
That is a bit paranoid unless you are talking about thousands of pounds or
dollars, in my view and I have found my bank normally calls me if their
algorithm spots something out of the ordinary.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danny Park" <dpark13918@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with
Donating . . .


I have had several problems trying to donate and getting an error message
saying that the card was rejected but the problem is that I was not using a
card but rather using my bank.  I talked to PayPal and they could not even
see a transaction being initiated so I could not get past the initial
screen.

Danny

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 11:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Are There Now or Has There Recently Been a Problem with
Donating . . .

. . . when installing/updating NVDA?

I ask because a friend of mine who's a long term NVDA user, and has donated
many times along the way, mentioned to me this evening that when she did the
latest update she could not get through making a donation.  We're in the
USA, and she describes the situation as being that no matter how many times
she tried to get the donation currency set to USD and enter her credit card
information things kept reverting back to Australian dollars and starting
the whole "fill in the form" process again.

She's been a screen reader user since there were screen readers, and knows
NVDA inside and out.  I thought I'd mention this here as it would be a shame
if this were not an isolated incident and others who wish to donate were
being stymied in doing so.

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Re: NVDA and Windows 7

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

~Quentin,

 

Not too late, actually! Ill pass your advice on, thanks.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 6:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows 7

 

Hi Cearbhall,

 

Probably redundant replying now, but I will anyway :)

 

The main issue that I'm aware of, is that you need to be running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1.  If you have an older version of Windows 7, you'll need to run NVDA 2017.3 until you update to SP1.

 

Otherwise, Windows 7 is certainly still supported, so if you do encounter anything else that doesn't work as expected, do please let us know.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:31 PM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Are there any known problems running NVDA 2018.3.2 on Windows 7 on a desktop PC?

 

I have heard of one case that is having difficulty and I am about to assist that person. It would help to know if there are any issues.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


 

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Re: Windows10 Screen Reader in Word #NVAccess

sven.zoephel@...
 

Hi Bryan,
Yes, I was using the sappi 5 voice until a short time ago. Now I found out that espeak automatically reads texts in German and English, which is nice - especially for homeworks with an English text and German questions...
I've tried to change the speech setting in NVDA, but as I explained: In Word it's always switched back to sappi 5 if I close the NVDA speech settings. Are there any program specific settings somewhere? Or even better: Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between different languages in sappi 5?
Cheers, Sven


Re: Files not showing

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Howard, if this is windows version 1809, unfortunately the files may be gone.  Have you attempted to unzip the file since it tells you that there are 286 items in there overall?


Folks have been talking about this phenomenon on the list lately and I believe there's an article about it up here somewhere, however, I haven't found the message with the link to it in my mass of emails. So if anyone could repost that article, it would be appreciated. 


Just the other night my business partner told me that folks were losing their data after upgrading from 1803 to 1809.  And in one such case a user lost over 250 Gigs of data. So it would appear that the first thing you'd want to do before upgrading to windows 1809 would be to backup your c:\users\documents folder, and any other folders where you have documents and things that you feel are important to an external drive. 


Tony

 


On 9/30/2018 3:05 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Hi, I'm just starting to use my new Win10 machine.  I copied many files and folders from my documents folder of an older machine into the documents folder under "this pc" on the new one.  Now when I go to this pc and open the documents folder, all I see is folders; no files.  I know they're in there because I was accessing them before windows did an update.  Now they don't show up.  Neither in "this pc" nor in "file explorer".--my mistake: two filenames do show, an ini file and a zip file.  When I look at properties for the folder, I see that there are 286 items in there.
What should I do to get them back?
Thanks.
Sorry; I failed to mention that I'm using the current version of NVDA.  But the demo of jaws doesn't see the files either.
Howard


Re: NVDA and Windows 7

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Cearbhall,

Probably redundant replying now, but I will anyway :)

The main issue that I'm aware of, is that you need to be running Windows 7 with Service Pack 1.  If you have an older version of Windows 7, you'll need to run NVDA 2017.3 until you update to SP1.

Otherwise, Windows 7 is certainly still supported, so if you do encounter anything else that doesn't work as expected, do please let us know.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:31 PM Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

Are there any known problems running NVDA 2018.3.2 on Windows 7 on a desktop PC?

 

I have heard of one case that is having difficulty and I am about to assist that person. It would help to know if there are any issues.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 



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Re: Strange pronunciations

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Walmir,

Someone (possibly you?) reported this on Twitter as well and I created an issue on the eSpeak NG issue tracker here: https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/557

Feel free to subscribe to that or reply if you have more detail to add.

If you do subscribe to the issue, feel free to prompt me when they fix and close it, and we'll look at updating the version of eSpeak NG we use in NVDA.

NVDA doesn't automatically update eSpeak NG builds as new ones are released, but we'll make updating a priority when we know there are fixes in there that users are waiting on.

Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 5:42 AM Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

After upgrading to NVDA 2018.3, eSpeak is strangely pronouncing all
words with the letter "y" when in the Portuguese brazilian language.

For example, the word "system" is being pronounced as "zystem".

Can someone communicate this to the eSpeak team?






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Re: Using Macrium Reflect Version 7 to Take A Full System Image Backup

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy,


Thanks mate. I've had a copy of this program for a while now but have yet to use it.  Looks like from what I've been reading and hearing from numerous reputable sources, here on this list, in the wires, and in my personal network that this will definitely come in handy prior to and after upgrading from windows 1803 to 1809.


Tony

On 10/5/2018 11:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
There has been much discussion on several groups about an entirely accessible backup utility with regard to actually taking a full system image backup.  I have yet to find a backup and recovery utility that is 100% accessible in all respects, but Macrium Reflect, Version 7, is 100% accessible for creating a full system image backup for "the typical user" who keeps the typical disc arrangement under Windows where all OS files and user data files are on the C: drive.

Given what's been happening over the last several days with the Windows 10 Version 1809 feature update it is really critical to take a full system image backup before it is applied.

Here's the link to download the step-by-step instructions, along with notes about setting things up, in MS-Word format:

Using Macrium Reflect With a Screen Reader To Take a Full System Image Backup

You should be presented with a Save dialog shortly after activating the link. 

I went through this process from beginning to end using NVDA to control everything.  I cannot imagine that things should be different in JAWS and possibly even Narrator.  If there are any significant differences that you encounter please share them on this topic.
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Re: Nvda certification exam

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Claire,

Thanks for raising this.  I have recently updated the Basic Training material and I was working on the Word material.  I must admit, I had intended to look at the exam and it had slipped my mind so I will catch up on my correspondence and then start looking at the certification exam.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:10 AM Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...> wrote:
Hi all, I have a question regarding the current online certification exam which people can take for NVDA. I have noticed that the questions are about version 17.3, and I wanted to know if there are any plans to update the exam to make it more relevant to the current release of NVDA, as I try to prepare for the exam it is very diffcult to make sure I am revising with the right information, a classic example being the Basic Training book which is now revevant to newer versions of NVDA than what the exam covers, and although most of the information is the same, it is extremely confusing when it comes to taking the exam.  

Warm regards, Claire Potter,   Check out my brand new website: www.pottersplace.me.uk



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