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Why does NVDA find not find "cars" on this page?

 

https://harrisonburg.craigslist.org/search/cto?auto_make_model=convertible

If I use a straight browser search it finds the word, "cars," in the navigation frame on the left in the "cars & trucks - by owner" link, and it is a link, as well as in the "background text" in the edit box that shows the same phrase in light gray until you start typing in a search term.

Sometimes when I use the NVDA find it finds it, other times, it doesn't.  It seems to depend on my having interacted with the page, but that content does not appear/disappear whether I've interacted with the page or not.

I seem to have this happening more frequently lately with both NVDA and JAWS (yes, I know that this isn't the JAWS group, but wanted to note it).  I have always encouraged my clients to favor the screen reader search function over the straight browser search as it takes into account controls that a straight search does not.  But lately it also seems to be not finding things I can clearly see are present on the screen.  It's a mystery to me why this is.

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daisy book reader

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA? 


Tooltips

Vlad Dragomir
 

Good afternoon,

Friends, this might seem odd to some and obvious to others, so I feel I should apologise in advance for what follows.

I've just learnt about the existance of tooltips. If I understand well, they are messages displayed when someone points the mouse at certain elements on a web page, without clicking on them. If possible, I would be curious to know the folowing:
1. How can we know if, and where these tooltips are present? Does NVDA anounces them? If so, what does it say?I don't remember hearing such information so far, and I've been using it for quite a while.
2. How can we read those tooltips, given that we rarely use the mouse? At least I never do that, even though I know about mouse simulation; I never have the reflex to actually use that function. I am getting old I suppose.

I thank in advance all those who will enlighten me on this topic.

Warm regards from France,

Vlad.


Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

Why not just download the Kendal for PC program?

I've been using it for about a year, and have bought close to 15 Books
so far and counting.

Almost all Books will let you read their Text with JAWS or NVDA. But I
have purchased Two Books that do not allow the use of a Screen Reader,
but the Kendal program attempts to speak the text. It isn't a good
clear voice, and so far I've not figured a way to re-read a line, or go
back a line or two.

Not sure how to know if a Book will read with the Screen Reader or not.

but, having the Kendal program on your Computer works for me.


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Antony Stone
 

Can you be any more specific - which aspects do you find annoying?

Which app do you use to read the books, and are you talking about audiobooks
or eBooks?

Antony.

On Friday 12 October 2018 at 15:50:51, Sociohack AC wrote:

I have an android phone and find it very annoying to read books on it.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Aravind R
 

kindle for pc latest version is accessible with jaws and NVDA. you can
read kindle books with nvda commands provided book has screen reader
supported and wordwise enabled which you can check in product
description. finding buy now button in amazon site using jaws or nvda
is difficult now days

On 10/12/18, Joshua Crary <JCrary@rcc.mass.edu> wrote:
I believe you can also download a Kindle App for Windows. However, I found
the process of downloading books through Kindle in a browser on my PC and
accessing those books with NVDA or other screen readers difficult and never
successfully read Kindle books on my PC. I have ben using my Iphone and
Ibooks as my portable ebook reader.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Hello guys!
Since, ebook readers especially customized for blind people, like Victor
ebook reader, are very expensive, I'm thinking of buying a Kindle. I have
heard that it has a screen reader called voiceview. How good is it? And how
long does the battery last while using screen readers for reading books?
Also, the latest version of Kindle Paper White doesn't come with an audio
jack, so I'm also open to purchasing an older model.
All suggestions are welcome.

Regards
Sociohack

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Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Akshaya Choudhary
 

I have an android phone and find it very annoying to read books on it.


Re: Password for certification Exam

Keith Bundy <kbun@...>
 

Hi, Quentin. I did find a way to create a new account on the page. I’ll try the password recovery one more time and, if that doesn’t work, will create a new account with a different email address.

 

Should I wait to take the exam? I believe I read that you are in the process of confirming that the updated questions are live. Your thoughts?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Password for certification Exam

 

Hi Keith,

 

If you haven't purchased anything else, you can create a new account from: https://www.nvaccess.org/my-account/

 

If you have purchased other things (eg training material), you will need to recover your existing account in order to retrieve those (there is no pre-requisite for the original certification exam, though ideally you'd only want one account).

 

In the meantime, I will look into our system, just in case there is any issue with sending out the password recovery email.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:00 AM Keith Bundy <kbun@...> wrote:

Hi. I am wanting to take the NVDA certification exam. When I click on it, I am taken to a login page.

 

I apparently have an account, but I have forgotten my password. I have clicked on the reset password link at least three times and have never gotten a password reset email. I have checked all spam folders.

 

Does anyone have a suggestion for what I should do next? I tried going to the login page directly, as an old message on this group said you could create an account from there. But I didn’t find that option.

 

Any suggestions will be sincerely appreciated.

 

 

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nvda remote windows server lock screen.

Jack Mendez
 

Hello.

Anyone work with windows server and nvda remote?

I have tried several times to interact remotely with a windows server and been unable to successfully send ctrl+alt+del through the NVDA remote menu to get to the authentication dialog.

 

 

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Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Joshua Crary <JCrary@...>
 

I believe you can also download a Kindle App for Windows.  However, I found the process of downloading books through Kindle in a browser on my PC and accessing those books with NVDA or other screen readers difficult and never successfully read Kindle books on my PC.  I have ben using my Iphone and Ibooks as my portable ebook reader. 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

 

 Hello guys!
Since, ebook readers especially customized for blind people, like Victor ebook reader, are very expensive, I'm thinking of buying a Kindle. I have heard that it has a screen reader called voiceview. How good is it? And how long does the battery last while using screen readers for reading books? Also, the latest version of Kindle Paper White doesn't come with an audio jack, so I'm also open to purchasing an older model.
All suggestions are welcome.

Regards
Sociohack

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Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Hello guys!
Since, ebook readers especially customized for blind people, like Victor ebook reader, are very expensive, I'm thinking of buying a Kindle. I have heard that it has a screen reader called voiceview. How good is it? And how long does the battery last while using screen readers for reading books? Also, the latest version of Kindle Paper White doesn't come with an audio jack, so I'm also open to purchasing an older model.
All suggestions are welcome.

Regards
Sociohack


Re: Password for certification Exam

Keith Bundy <kbun@...>
 

Thanks, Quentin. I did donate, so that’s probably why I have an account. But I tried every password I know – all to no avail.

 

Thanks for looking into the system for me. I’ll try retrieving my password later today. I didn’t even see an option on the page to create a new account, and I am guessing this is because I have donated and thus have the account.

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Password for certification Exam

 

Hi Keith,

 

If you haven't purchased anything else, you can create a new account from: https://www.nvaccess.org/my-account/

 

If you have purchased other things (eg training material), you will need to recover your existing account in order to retrieve those (there is no pre-requisite for the original certification exam, though ideally you'd only want one account).

 

In the meantime, I will look into our system, just in case there is any issue with sending out the password recovery email.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:00 AM Keith Bundy <kbun@...> wrote:

Hi. I am wanting to take the NVDA certification exam. When I click on it, I am taken to a login page.

 

I apparently have an account, but I have forgotten my password. I have clicked on the reset password link at least three times and have never gotten a password reset email. I have checked all spam folders.

 

Does anyone have a suggestion for what I should do next? I tried going to the login page directly, as an old message on this group said you could create an account from there. But I didn’t find that option.

 

Any suggestions will be sincerely appreciated.

 

 

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Some time nvda seems quite laggy in my laptop. I am using asus laptop with windows 10 1803, latest version of nvda and I have 8 gb ram along with ssd as well Most of the time nvda is unable to respond specially on file explorer, eg When I open this-pc nvda stop reading all those list as local disk c, d and other shortcut icon. This is mainly happening when I am using some other program in the background, if I am downloading some thing then I open file explorer then nvda keeps quite. In another case if I had close other running program and open file explorer then also nvda’s feedback is very slow and laggy. I do have another disappointing experience with nvda, mainly I have to work in a Microsoft office’s program like word, excel etc in their also nvda gives very let respond while typing and reading. Please fixed this issue if possible, thankyou Madhusudan ghimire from Nepal.

ma.sudan.10@...
 

nvda's slow respond and laggy issue


Re: Password for certification Exam

Quentin Christensen
 

There was and I meant to reply, as we have just updated the questions.  I just wanted to confirm they were live, which I'll do and then post officially.


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There was another query about up to date info  in training material while
you were away, but I could not find it just now.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Password for certification Exam


Hi Keith,

If you haven't purchased anything else, you can create a new account from:
https://www.nvaccess.org/my-account/

If you have purchased other things (eg training material), you will need to
recover your existing account in order to retrieve those (there is no
pre-requisite for the original certification exam, though ideally you'd
only want one account).

In the meantime, I will look into our system, just in case there is any
issue with sending out the password recovery email.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 8:00 AM Keith Bundy <kbun@...> wrote:

> Hi. I am wanting to take the NVDA certification exam. When I click on it,
> I am taken to a login page.
>
>
>
> I apparently have an account, but I have forgotten my password. I have
> clicked on the reset password link at least three times and have never
> gotten a password reset email. I have checked all spam folders.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion for what I should do next? I tried going to
> the login page directly, as an old message on this group said you could
> create an account from there. But I didn’t find that option.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions will be sincerely appreciated.
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Re: NVDA Snapshot types

Quentin Christensen
 

While I don't disagree with you, most of the errors and issues which have required additional RC's and stable releases, have been from issues which do not affect everyone, but for those they affect, they would manifest very quickly.  Which is why we get these reports almost immediately after releasing the new version.

I think then, that the issue is not so much the length of time of the beta cycle, but how do we get more people, on different systems, to try the betas earlier?



On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 7:24 PM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes I have a portable running on Alpha, but I seem to recall that before the
renaming you also allowed beta snaps to be put up much earlier, as five
weeks sounds a short time for the great unwashed like myself to have enough
experience of a running everyday version to find the more obscure things. I
think the release record of the last version shows this to be true as there
had to be many more iterations of the RC and finally a couple of updates to
stable. If you look back when the beta length was longer you find fewer
versions after a stable was issued.
 In a way I think many programmers underestimate the time needed to fully
test increasingly complex code.
 I used to know a person whose first test of any software was to randomly do
stuff on the keyboard and you would be surprised how often such an
apparently random act would thro up a problem with the software crashing.



Just my opinion of 68 years on the planet.
 Brian

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Cc: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Snapshot types


> Hi Brian,
>
> Apologies if you've asked this before and I missed it :)
>
> The new release process is that Alpha builds come out quite regularly,
> every few days or sometimes several in a day, like the old "next"
> snapshots
> did.
>
> The key point about Beta releases is: "
>
>   - Starting from 5 weeks before final release, tagged beta releases will
>   be published periodically, allowing the wider community to try out the
>   betas. At this stage code originally introduced through master will have
>   been tested for at least 2 weeks, thus the beta builds can be seen as
> beta
>   quality."
>
> So, if you are interested in testing the latest "bleeding edge" code which
> gets updated regularly, then you want the Alpha snapshots (with the usual
> caveat that while they usually work fine, they may not be completely
> stable
> or work in every situation - in which case please let us know, and also
> keep a stable build handy).
>
> If you want a more reliably stable experience but still want to test out
> new features before the masses, Beta should have you covered for that and
> you'll start to get those about 5 weeks before a new release is due (the
> last beta cycle was longer, being the first time we'd changed to that
> system).
>
> All the snapshots are available from the snapshots page at:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/
>
> If you'd like to read the release process in full, you can find it here:
> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ReleaseProcess
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 5:54 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>
>> I know I asked a similar question before, but looking at the  email list
>> of
>> different snap releases I see alpha and beta, yet on the snapshot web
>> site
>> it seems only alpha have updated, the beta is showing  rc versions of the
>> last stable release. Am I missing something here, or are betas not
>> actually
>> on the site?
>>  Brian
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Re: PASTEL AND NVDA

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Something odd here as it told me it could not send it so i rewrote it and now the one it could not send has sent.
Ineed a lie down.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] PASTEL AND NVDA


Just thought you should know that for some odd reason, virginmedia in the UK
are putting this message into the spam bin.
It merely says seem me scorie=100.00 percent

Brian

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Re: PASTEL AND NVDA

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The post I'm replying to was copied only to my spam folder by virginmedia
servers in the UK It seemed to have more than one address in the to field
and both were the same but whether this was the reason who knows.
Brian

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Re: PASTEL AND NVDA

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Just thought you should know that for some odd reason, virginmedia in the UK
are putting this message into the spam bin.
It merely says seem me scorie=100.00 percent

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Re: NVDA key to be assignable to any key

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Not so sure they are the same. When using another device to control the machine its more like the remote add on situation I would imagine.
The question really is, what key could one use that is not important in any other setting if its hi jacked for the nvda key. Might be interesting to see if the Shark works and kind of see what they did if it does.

I'm thinking of some kind of double tap of a key with the other key you need or something like that.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA key to be assignable to any key


Hi Aman,

I don't have a comment on the validity of the issue at this stage (it seems
a reasonable question to ask at least), but having created an issue as you
have done is definitely the best way to have it addressed by those who can
comment on the technicalities of whether there are any barriers to
implementing it. Here in the group is also a good place to get comments
and other people's thoughts on it and have that discussion, so yes, I think
you've done all the right things.

Actually you mentioned an older issue - I haven't looked that one up, but
if it's the same, it's possible one will get closed as a duplicate of the
other (if that happens, subscribe to the other issue, and add any extra
comments there as well).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM Aman Singer <aman.singer@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,



I’m not sure what the best method of proposing this is, I
have put the following up as an issue at



https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8836





And am also posting the below to the list. If there is a
better way to make suggestions, or if I ought not to post through one of
these methods, I would appreciate being corrected.



Allowing the NVDA key to be any key on the keyboard





I am using NVDA from iOS through a VNC application. I find
that this works fairly well except that the application will not properly
pass through the capslock or insert key as a modifier. I am, therefore,
unable to use the NVDA commands without another program being involved to
modify the keyboard. I have used autohotkey to map the right alt key to the
insert key. Sharpkeys and other registry-based keyboard mapping
applications don’t work. I would like the ability to have the NVDA key set
to any key on the keyboard that Windows can see. I have seen keyboards
with, for example, the ` key next to the space and there is always, of
course, one of the alt keys. Would this be wise and possible? I have
searched the issue archives but have only found one similar issue, issue
225, which has the same request but as a modification for the mac. That
issue, made in 2009, is still open but I’m not sure of its status. Given
that NVDA, unlike Jaws, will happily work with VNC input, this may be worth
doing as I have yet to see a VNC application which sends the capslock key
as a modifier properly.


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Re: keyboard

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I seem to remember that there were very valid reasons why trying to read just control and shift keys was not a good idea. For a start on their own, except windows ones, they only do stuff if they are combined with another, also I think that if you do intercept them then you get a stutter if you try to use a combination which is often more confusing. One of the biggest issues I get with people is that they seem unaware that the right hand key next to the space bar is in fact alt/control or that the right windows key has specific context sensitive uses, but can be still used if the laptop does not have the key by using shift with a function key. And do not get me started with the issue of laptops having the normal functions only available if you use an fn key as well.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard


NVDA+4 toggles speak command keys. That won't announce if you just press
SHIFT and let it go, but it will announce "CONTROL+S" if you press those
keys.

You can also access that option from the "Keyboard" settings
(NVDA+CONTROL+K to get there directly, or via the NVDA menu).

In order to practise the keyboard, you can also use NVDA's "Input help"
mode. Press NVDA+1 to turn Input help on. From then, you can press any
key or key combination and NVDA will announce what you have pressed
(including things like shift on its own) and what NVDA function it performs
(if it's an NVDA keystroke). The keys won't do anything however, so if you
press the WINDOWS key, NVDA will report it, but the Windows Start menu will
not open.

Press NVDA+1 to turn input help off again.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:57 AM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <
godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:

I am working with a NVDA newby. how does she set NVDA so that the control
and shift keys are spoken. she wants this because her keyboard is not
standard.


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