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Re: Hi

Gene
 

You can't virtualize a window using NVDA.  You need to use screen review keys.  do you know them?  If you want to copy screen material to the clipboard where there is no cursor, such as in an error dialog, you need to use screen review keys and an NVDA command to copy the material to the clipboard. 
 
I won't answer further in this message because I want to be sure what you need to know.  From your message, it sounds as though you need to know screen review commands and how to copy text to the clipboard as I discussed.  There are explanations in the manual of all this.  I can look up sections where it is.
 
but others may provide the information and/or explanations of their own so I'll see how things develop.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA.
> How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because
> yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up
> and I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the message.
> I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about
> the nvda Screen reader. Please help if you all can.
> Best Regards Michael Munn

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Re: Speeding up one-core voices.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I didn't think of that. Thanks for the tip.



On 10/11/2018 11:10 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hey Rosemarie!

When you hear system, keep right arrowing until you hear the ease of access category and press enter!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speeding up one-core voices.

 

I just tried that and it didn't work. Where's the ease of access setting? The first thing I found was system instead of ease of access.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 10:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speeding up one-core voices.

 

Hi all!

To speed up the One Core voices:

Press Windows+I to open the settings app.

Tab once, and go to the Ease of access category!

Then, go to speech and press enter.

Then, tab to more speech settings and press enter.

Then, tab to a slider, and use page up to increase it to its maximum.

Then, just get out of settings with Alt+F4!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2018 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Speeding up one-core voices.

 

Hi all. Where do you go to adjust the speed of one-core voices? Not in

NVDA, you go somewhere else to increase the speed in Windows. I can't

for the life of me remember it, so of course I need to do it. I thought

it was in control panel but I guess not. Thanks in advance, I'm sure

bunches of you know.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: keyboard

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

To help with the fact that the shift key is not announced with command keys on, you could go to the voice dialog NVDA+alt+v and set up either a Capital pitch percentage, say cap when typing a capital letter or beep when typing a capital letter.  Then set speak type characters on with NVDA+2, and your newbie will be able to hear that capital letters are being typed.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 12 October 2018 01:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard

 

NVDA+4 toggles speak command keys.  That won't announce if you just press SHIFT and let it go, but it will announce "CONTROL+S" if you press those keys.

 

You can also access that option from the "Keyboard" settings (NVDA+CONTROL+K to get there directly, or via the NVDA menu).

 

In order to practise the keyboard, you can also use NVDA's "Input help" mode.  Press NVDA+1 to turn Input help on.  From then, you can press any key or key combination and NVDA will announce what you have pressed (including things like shift on its own) and what NVDA function it performs (if it's an NVDA keystroke).  The keys won't do anything however, so if you press the WINDOWS key, NVDA will report it, but the Windows Start menu will not open.

Press NVDA+1 to turn input help off again.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 10:57 AM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

I am working with a NVDA newby. how does she set NVDA so that the control and shift keys are spoken. she wants this because her keyboard is not standard.


 

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Re: Hi

Rui Fontes
 

Hi!

David, in some cases, the NVDA object navigation is better then Jaws 18 cursor... With the new cursor of Jaws 2018 and 2019 I don't know...

And there are an addon to virtualize the window.., see in:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/virtualRevision.en.html

Rui Fontes




Às 17:35 de 12/10/2018, David Griffith escreveu:

The phrase Virtualised window is often used to describe the process where text is collected from a Screen GUII and presented in a virtual window buffer which a screenreader can use.
In relation to the original question NVDA in the first case will most often read a window / dialogue box with the same keypress as Jaws – that is NVDA plus B.
Unfortunately NVDA does not have all the same cursor abilities as Jaws but if NVDA plus B does not deliver the required results then some options are still available.
First of all you can try object navigation.  Basically you can experiment with pressing numbers of the keypad if you have desktop layout to see if you get any useful results. You can refer to the User Guide for more detailed and explicit instructions.
Finally you can use the inbuilt Windows 10 OCR facility with NVDA simply by pressing NVDA plus R.
This is often as good as if not better than Jaws Virtual Convenient OCR in relation to reading window contents.
If using earlier  versions of windows you will need to download an Virtual OCR  addon but I must admit when I used to use this it did not deliver many useful results in my experience.
David Griffith.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
*From: *Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@...>
*Sent: *12 October 2018 17:19
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Hi
Please explain what you mean by "virtualize a window".
That phrase doesn't mean anything to me (and therefore, maybe not to others
here either).
Antony.
On Friday 12 October 2018 at 17:48:43, Michael Munn wrote:

> Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA.

> How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because

> yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up

> and I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the
message.

> I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about

> the nvda Screen reader. Please help if you all can.

> Best Regards Michael Munn
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Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

 

Well you could always buy an olimpus dm5 or 4 or the latest dm series most of them have voice and will support daisy among other things.

The cost is as much as an orbit.

As for your average plextalk thats round 700 bucks it is not much more than an orbit.

For software there is amis on the computer, dolphin easy reader on the pc, but I'd try to get v6, I hate the v7 interface thats 80 bucks.

Dolphin seem to have their easy reader app free on smartphones so you could use that I guess.

there is this voice dream reader thingy aparently never used that.

To be honest, while I do read books my plextalk from the library does most things, where I need to really read something I either read it on a computer or something.

Where a daisy book is split into actual tracks I have actually just played the tracks on a standard audio cd player or a media player of choice rather than my registered daisy player.

Its only a problem if the tracks are split weirdly.

On 10/13/2018 2:06 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hello guys!
Since, ebook readers especially customized for blind people, like Victor ebook reader, are very expensive, I'm thinking of buying a Kindle. I have heard that it has a screen reader called voiceview. How good is it? And how long does the battery last while using screen readers for reading books? Also, the latest version of Kindle Paper White doesn't come with an audio jack, so I'm also open to purchasing an older model.
All suggestions are welcome.

Regards
Sociohack



Re: daisy book reader

john s
 

Robert, I use FS Reader fine with Window Eyes.


At 11:21 AM 10/12/2018, Robert Doc Wright godfearer, wrote:
Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA?

                 John


Re: Suggestion regarding replies on this list

Antony Stone
 

Agreed - if the person with the problem has explained clearly enough how to
cause it, and the responder knows they're doing the same thing, it can be
helpful to point out that something else about the machine or the software
configuration must be the culprit, and the user is actually doing the right
things.

Antony.

On Friday 12 October 2018 at 18:37:41, Brian Vogel wrote:

Amen, Antony!!

Not just here, but on any venue where computers and software are being
discussed.

I will, however, say that I do believe that sometimes, "I'm not having that
problem," replies are entirely appropriate when the problem is not being
experienced when taking exactly the same steps as someone has documented.
There are many times when something idiosyncratic about an individual's
computer or software installation is giving them an issue when they're
doing everything as they should but things aren't behaving as they
should. Knowing that others cannot reproduce when doing the same thing
is a valuable piece of diagnostic information.

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Re: Suggestion regarding replies on this list

 

Amen, Antony!!

Not just here, but on any venue where computers and software are being discussed.

I will, however, say that I do believe that sometimes, "I'm not having that problem," replies are entirely appropriate when the problem is not being experienced when taking exactly the same steps as someone has documented.   There are many times when something idiosyncratic about an individual's computer or software installation is giving them an issue when they're doing everything as they should but things aren't behaving as they should.   Knowing that others cannot reproduce when doing the same thing is a valuable piece of diagnostic information.

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Re: Hi

David Griffith
 

The phrase Virtualised window is often used to describe the process where text is collected from a Screen GUII and presented in a virtual window buffer which a screenreader can use.

 

In relation to the original question NVDA in the first case will most often read a window / dialogue box with the same keypress as Jaws – that is NVDA plus B.

Unfortunately NVDA does not have all the same cursor abilities as Jaws but if NVDA plus B does not deliver the required results then some options are still available.

First of all you can try object navigation.  Basically you can experiment with pressing numbers of the keypad if you have desktop layout to see if you get any useful results. You can refer to the User Guide for more detailed and explicit instructions.

Finally you can use the inbuilt Windows 10 OCR facility with NVDA simply by pressing NVDA plus R.

This is often as good as if not better than Jaws Virtual Convenient OCR in relation to reading window contents.

If using earlier  versions of windows you will need to download an Virtual OCR  addon but I must admit when I used to use this it did not deliver many useful results in my experience.

David Griffith.

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

 

From: Antony Stone
Sent: 12 October 2018 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi

 

Please explain what you mean by "virtualize a window".

 

That phrase doesn't mean anything to me (and therefore, maybe not to others

here either).

 

Antony.

 

On Friday 12 October 2018 at 17:48:43, Michael Munn wrote:

 

> Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA.

> How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because

> yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up

> and I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the message.

> I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about

> the nvda Screen reader. Please help if you all can.

> Best Regards Michael Munn

 

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Suggestion regarding replies on this list

Antony Stone
 

Hi.

I have a couple of suggestions regarding how to make replies on this list more
useful to the people who asked the questions:


1. If your reply is basically "I don't have a problem doing this", please
explain how you do it - what application you use, how you find the content,
whether you use speech or Braille - anything which might help the person who
asked the question understand how you do manage to do it without the problem
that they are having.

Simply saying "I don't have a problem doing this" doesn't give the person who
asked the question any information about how they might be able to do it too.


2. If you are the person asking the question, please give as much information
as possible about what you are doing when you encounter a problem - either so
that other people can reproduce your problem and possibly suggest what to do
about it, or possibly so that someone who doesn't have the problem can see
"ah, this bit is different from what I do" and tell you how you might go about
it differently.


And finally, if you find a solution to your problem (either on this list or from
elsewhere), please post a follow-up message saying what you had to do
differently in order to make something work better, so that others can learn
from it, and maybe find your answer in the list archives later and avoid having
to ask the same question again.

Just saying "it's okay, everything is working now" without saying what you did
or what has changed can be quite frustrating for someone else with the same
proble, who now knows that you have a solution but doesn't know what it is.


Thanks,


Antony.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Hope Williamson <isepic@...>
 

Hi, I’ve never found the process of reading Kindle books from the PC difficult at all. You do have to go to Amazon to buy the books, it would be the same way if you have the Kindle app for your iPhone, I believe.


Re: Hi

Antony Stone
 

Please explain what you mean by "virtualize a window".

That phrase doesn't mean anything to me (and therefore, maybe not to others
here either).

Antony.

On Friday 12 October 2018 at 17:48:43, Michael Munn wrote:

Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA.
How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because
yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up
and I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the message.
I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about
the nvda Screen reader. Please help if you all can.
Best Regards Michael Munn
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Hi

Michael Munn
 

Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA.
How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up and I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the message.
I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about the nvda Screen reader.
Please help if you all can.
Best Regards Michael Munn


Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Sarah k Alawami
 

I love the kindal app on android, it is a fun and pleasent experience. Subscribe othe eyes free list or my android discuss lit if you want ot know more. Info about that will be in my sig.

Take care

For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
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On 12 Oct 2018, at 6:50, Sociohack AC wrote:

I have an android phone and find it very annoying to read books on it.


Re: daisy book reader

David Griffith
 

FS Reader works fine in NVDA.

Just install Jaws and let it alone and run FS Reader and use it withNVDA.

David Griffith

 

My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
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From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 12 October 2018 16:21
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] daisy book reader

 

Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA? 

 


Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Clarissa Mitchell
 

I've used the Kindle for PC app, and the latest version has the
accessibility function built directly in. You used to have to install
a separate plugin for it to work; now it's just there. The app is free
too. I think you do need to have NVDA on at the same time, in order to
navigate the menu that is accessed by pressing the alt key. Regarding
books that don't have this enabled, I'm pretty sure you can find out,
when you go to the book's page on Amazon. It will say whether speech
is enabled or not on the Kindle version of the book. hth

On 10/12/18, Dave <dlh007@...> wrote:
Why not just download the Kendal for PC program?

I've been using it for about a year, and have bought close to 15 Books
so far and counting.

Almost all Books will let you read their Text with JAWS or NVDA. But I
have purchased Two Books that do not allow the use of a Screen Reader,
but the Kendal program attempts to speak the text. It isn't a good
clear voice, and so far I've not figured a way to re-read a line, or go
back a line or two.

Not sure how to know if a Book will read with the Screen Reader or not.

but, having the Kendal program on your Computer works for me.







Why does NVDA find not find "cars" on this page?

 

https://harrisonburg.craigslist.org/search/cto?auto_make_model=convertible

If I use a straight browser search it finds the word, "cars," in the navigation frame on the left in the "cars & trucks - by owner" link, and it is a link, as well as in the "background text" in the edit box that shows the same phrase in light gray until you start typing in a search term.

Sometimes when I use the NVDA find it finds it, other times, it doesn't.  It seems to depend on my having interacted with the page, but that content does not appear/disappear whether I've interacted with the page or not.

I seem to have this happening more frequently lately with both NVDA and JAWS (yes, I know that this isn't the JAWS group, but wanted to note it).  I have always encouraged my clients to favor the screen reader search function over the straight browser search as it takes into account controls that a straight search does not.  But lately it also seems to be not finding things I can clearly see are present on the screen.  It's a mystery to me why this is.

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daisy book reader

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA? 


Tooltips

Vlad Dragomir
 

Good afternoon,

Friends, this might seem odd to some and obvious to others, so I feel I should apologise in advance for what follows.

I've just learnt about the existance of tooltips. If I understand well, they are messages displayed when someone points the mouse at certain elements on a web page, without clicking on them. If possible, I would be curious to know the folowing:
1. How can we know if, and where these tooltips are present? Does NVDA anounces them? If so, what does it say?I don't remember hearing such information so far, and I've been using it for quite a while.
2. How can we read those tooltips, given that we rarely use the mouse? At least I never do that, even though I know about mouse simulation; I never have the reflex to actually use that function. I am getting old I suppose.

I thank in advance all those who will enlighten me on this topic.

Warm regards from France,

Vlad.


Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle

Dave <dlh007@...>
 

Why not just download the Kendal for PC program?

I've been using it for about a year, and have bought close to 15 Books
so far and counting.

Almost all Books will let you read their Text with JAWS or NVDA. But I
have purchased Two Books that do not allow the use of a Screen Reader,
but the Kendal program attempts to speak the text. It isn't a good
clear voice, and so far I've not figured a way to re-read a line, or go
back a line or two.

Not sure how to know if a Book will read with the Screen Reader or not.

but, having the Kendal program on your Computer works for me.