Re: Tooltips
Gene
What you read online applies to and is written by
sighted users in most cases. In terms of such information, don't assume
the sighted writer is aware of other aspects of use. It isn't the
mouse. It is whether something is selected and there are many ways of
selecting and most sighted users are unaware of them. and those who are
aware, usually write for a sighted audience and don't go into other ways such as
selecting from the keyboard.
Gene
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as well. But from what I read online, we need a mouse pointer in order to display the tooltip. That's why I was somehow puzzled and curious to know more. Moreover,if I have no way to know that an element has an available tooltip, I won't even try to read it, since I don't know it's there. Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to try and clarify things for me. Have a great weekend! Vlad.
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Re: Hi
Gene
Virtualizing a Window in JAWS doesn't allow you to
click something. It does allow you to copy material from the virtualized
window so you can paste it somewhere. This is useful when you want to
paste content from an error message into an e-mail describing the error to
someone, as an example of one use.
Does the add-on allow copying to
the clipboard of selected material? Whether it does or not, NVDA has its
own way of doing this.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi working Does the new virtualised window offer any of the operations like clicking of the inbuilt system If it does do this, then is it maybe better? Is there anything that it can do that the navigation modes cannot. I seem to recall that its still not as good as the Jaws version. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi > Hi! > > I was the mentor of this addon initially developed by Rui Batista and > currently maintained by Joseph Lee... > > I do not agree that it will force the users to do not learn NVDA review > tools, but it will be usefull untill they learn... > And it is also usefull to users coming from Jaws... > > Rui > > > > Às 19:19 de 12/10/2018, Gene escreveu: >> However, does using this add--on discourage learning how to use >> screen-review commands in NVDA? and does this lack of learning mean that, >> when it is advisable to use the activate command available on the numpad >> or to use the route and click virtual mouse commands NVDA provides, the >> user won't know how to do these things? This may be an add-on that >> duplicates functions already available in NVDA where the user would be >> much better off learning the NVDA way to do things if the user if at all >> demanding and who wishshes to go beyond rather elementary learning. Also, >> some NVDA review commands are essential for working with Windows 10 apps. >> It sounds like a bad idea to have such an add-on that discourages >> learning of the screen-reader itself. >> Gene >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Chris Mullins <mailto:cjmullins29@...> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2018 1:12 PM >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Hi >> >> Hi >> Download and install the Virtual review addon then you can use >> NVDA+Control+w to virtualise a window then browse it using arrow keys. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael >> Munn >> Sent: 12 October 2018 16:49 >> To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io> >> Subject: [nvda] Hi >> >> Hi all, This is Michael. i have a question about a feature in NVDA. >> How can one virtualize a window using NVDA? I'm asking that because >> yesterday I was doing something with NVDa and some error message pop up >> and >> I couldn't read it because I don't know how to virtualize the message. >> I would be able to read it if I use Jaws. I'm not saying bad thing about >> the >> nvda Screen reader. >> Please help if you all can. >> Best Regards Michael Munn >> >> >> >> >> > > >
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Re: Tooltips
Gene
There are times in Windows where, if you select
something, a tool tip will be shown and as I recall, NVDA is set to read
tooltips by default. Try moving through the items on the desktop and see
if tool tips are read. It is highlighting or selecting the item that
causes the tooltip to be shown. When you move to an item in a list using
the arrow keys, it is selected. If it wasn't, nothing would happen when
you pressed enter. In general, though not absolutely always, you can't
take an action on anything unless it is selected.
If you move a mouse to an item, that may cause a
tooltip to be shown as well.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tooltips the settings. Since you cannot prove a negative its hard to say without sighted help but on some things when highlighted by tabbing to them I hear a description as is supposed to be in the tooltip, on others I do not. Same with Jaws. Similar issues with windows 7 balloons etc too. For a definitive answer though you will need somebody who works with the nvda code. I have my suspicions that some objects use a different method to generate the tips. Its a bit like the extra details some folders in explore seem to reveal making it found like a file name is read twice, the second time with other data appended. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: [nvda] Tooltips > Good afternoon, > > Friends, this might seem odd to some and obvious to others, so I feel I > should apologise in advance for what follows. > > I've just learnt about the existance of tooltips. If I understand well, > they are messages displayed when someone points the mouse at certain > elements on a web page, without clicking on them. If possible, I would be > curious to know the folowing: > 1. How can we know if, and where these tooltips are present? Does NVDA > anounces them? If so, what does it say?I don't remember hearing such > information so far, and I've been using it for quite a while. > 2. How can we read those tooltips, given that we rarely use the mouse? At > least I never do that, even though I know about mouse simulation; I never > have the reflex to actually use that function. I am getting old I suppose. > > I thank in advance all those who will enlighten me on this topic. > > Warm regards from France, > > Vlad. > > >
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Re: Tooltips
Vlad Dragomir
Thank you Brian for the response. I found the "report tooltips" ceckbox as well. But from what I read online, we need a mouse pointer in order to display the tooltip. That's why I was somehow puzzled and curious to know more. Moreover,if I have no way to know that an element has an available tooltip, I won't even try to read it, since I don't know it's there. Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to try and clarify things for me.
Have a great weekend! Vlad.
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Re: Microsoft word question
Akshaya Choudhary
The only way to do this in NVDA is to check the check box for line numbers in document formatting. Go to NVDA menu> preferences> document formatting> check box for line numbers.
-- Regards, Sociohack
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Microsoft word question
Is there a way to fine out what line you are on in your document?
In Jaws when you press insert/caps lock plus period it tells you the line number you are on. Thanks 73 N2DYN Angelo
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Re: Nvda remote access
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
have you tried reinstaling it?
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From: "DAVID" <davidlacaille2@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Nvda remote access hi all.
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Re: daisy book reader
David Griffith
This is strange. I have just gone back and run FS Reader without any issue using the latest NVDA release. I have Jaws 18 and 19 Beta installed on this system though. It may be that the software now checks for a Jaws licence even if it is not running. If this is so I am sorry for misleading the list as I was unaware of this change. David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 13 October 2018 08:35 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] daisy book reader
You say that but I did this and tried to use it and it said you have to have Jaws running to use this software. That did not used to happen before this year. Brian
bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] daisy book reader
FS Reader works fine in NVDA. Just install Jaws and let it alone and run FS Reader and use it withNVDA. David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ My Blind hammer Blog https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: 12 October 2018 16:21 To: NVDA Subject: [nvda] daisy book reader
Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA?
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Re: No voice, Power Point Slide Show view on Laptop with HDMI connected, NVDA restart fixes problem
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Do you by any chance have a special profile set up for powerpoint that was in some way being used to set sound parameters, like a particular voice. I do not see how though, it would take the form you mention. This sounds almost like a sound driver quirk but only affecting one piece of software. Do any other bits of office do this?
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I've not used recent versions of Powerpoint but I do know that a virtual window from another machine won't speak but that has little to do with your action. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] No voice, Power Point Slide Show view on Laptop with HDMI connected, NVDA restart fixes problem Hello Joseph:
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Re: No voice, Power Point Slide Show view on Laptop with HDMI connected, NVDA restart fixes problem
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Do all sounds go away, or just nvda. I was wondering if the sound was going to hdmi.
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From: "Rick" <softwarethatworks@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 8:31 PM Subject: [nvda] No voice, Power Point Slide Show view on Laptop with HDMI connected, NVDA restart fixes problem I have 2 high-end Lenovo laptops with nVidia graphics cards. Both are
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Re: Hi
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
The questions are then, does having the add on stop the old commands from working
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Does the new virtualised window offer any of the operations like clicking of the inbuilt system If it does do this, then is it maybe better? Is there anything that it can do that the navigation modes cannot. I seem to recall that its still not as good as the Jaws version. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi Hi!
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Re: Hi
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I have noticed that some alerts in windows and other software are using some odd way of displaying a message. Even if it opens in the background, alt tabbing to it will not actually read it. sometimes, but not always, you can switch to screen virtual nav and read it a bit at a time, but not always.
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I noticed in Jaws this happens far less and it seems able to read these. Obviously the text can be seen by nvda, its just the automatic reading when appropriate which is missing. Its quite hard to do an nvda/F1 on some of these without losing the focus and getting meaningless log entries though. I'm just guessing this is what is being discussed. Nodal windows or some such or errors say in a C program or an exception somewhere in a program are the main ones. The other problem I often see is that nvda cannot reboot while an error that crashed its error is on screen. sometimes Narrator will read those but not always. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Hi Please explain what you mean by "virtualize a window".
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Re: Why does NVDA find not find "cars" on this page?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Specifically I'm not sure, but could the design of the page perhaps hide parts when you are not in that area, making them invisible to anything but a site search?
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 4:30 PM Subject: [nvda] Why does NVDA find not find "cars" on this page? https://harrisonburg.craigslist.org/search/cto?auto_make_model=convertible If I use a straight browser search it finds the word, "cars," in the navigation frame on the left in the "cars & trucks - by owner" link, and it is a link, as well as in the "background text" in the edit box that shows the same phrase in light gray until you start typing in a search term. Sometimes when I use the NVDA find it finds it, other times, it doesn't. It seems to depend on my having interacted with the page, but that content does not appear/disappear whether I've interacted with the page or not. I seem to have this happening more frequently lately with both NVDA and JAWS (yes, I know that this isn't the JAWS group, but wanted to note it). I have always encouraged my clients to favor the screen reader search function over the straight browser search as it takes into account controls that a straight search does not. But lately it also seems to be not finding things I can clearly see are present on the screen. It's a mystery to me why this is. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The psychology of adultery has been falsified by conventional morals, which assume, in monogamous countries, that attraction to one person cannot co-exist with a serious affection for another. Everybody knows that this is untrue. . . ~ Bertrand Russell
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Re: daisy book reader
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
You say that but I did this and tried to use it and it said you have to have Jaws running to use this software.
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That did not used to happen before this year. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] daisy book reader FS Reader works fine in NVDA. Just install Jaws and let it alone and run FS Reader and use it withNVDA. David Griffith My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/ My Blind hammer Blog https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer Sent: 12 October 2018 16:21 To: NVDA Subject: [nvda] daisy book reader Is there a reader similar to jaws fsReader for NVDA?
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Re: Tooltips
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well, I hear tooltips sometimes. Certainly NVDA can beset to read them in the settings. Since you cannot prove a negative its hard to say without sighted help but on some things when highlighted by tabbing to them I hear a description as is supposed to be in the tooltip, on others I do not. Same with Jaws. Similar issues with windows 7 balloons etc too.
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For a definitive answer though you will need somebody who works with the nvda code. I have my suspicions that some objects use a different method to generate the tips. Its a bit like the extra details some folders in explore seem to reveal making it found like a file name is read twice, the second time with other data appended. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 3:48 PM Subject: [nvda] Tooltips Good afternoon,
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Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Amazon accessibility have been told about this authoring error, have they not fixed it yet?
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From: "Aravind R" <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2018 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - [nvda] Screen reader accessibility with Kindle kindle for pc latest version is accessible with jaws and NVDA. you can
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Re: Nvda remote access
DAVID <davidlacaille2@...>
ok well guess what I did and the same problem.
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now what if I did a cleen oninstall and then reinstall would that help?
On 10/12/18, Roger Stewart <paganus2@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep, I see what's going on. You need to update to NVDA 2018.3.2. Then --
David La Caille
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Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle
Annette Moore
jscholes.net/project/codex/
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And here's the link for the documentation: jscholes.net/project_files/codex/readme-en.html
On 10/12/2018 9:28 PM, The Wolf wrote:
can I get the website?
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Re: Screen reader accessibility with Kindle
can I get the website?
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On 10/12/2018 7:27 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
Oh, I wouldn't be without Codex! Love that thing!
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