Date   

Re: About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hi,

1.       Alarms and Clock: confirmed, a hacky fix on its way (technical: in some cases, English version is affected due to the fact that arrow keys does not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event).

2.       Twitter contents: This is screen reader dependent and ties with markup used by Twitter. This problem is caused by Twitter’s markup strategy, and I believe this was reported to Twitter not long ago. I may need to write a hack to force NVDA to announce content from child objects. Pauses is there due to presence of an unwanted Unicode character, and the optimal solution should come from Twitter.

I’ll go head and build 20160603-dev version of the add-on, and please let me know if item 1 is fixed for good (after installing that version).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

To Joseph. I have 2 questions about the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on for NVDA:

1. The fix that you provide in the add-on for NVDA to properly read the values in the time pickers in places such as the Alarms and Clock" app works if Windows is in english, but does not work if Windows is in another language such as bulgarian. Do you know why is it so? Can you make this fix not to be language-dependent?

2. In the official Twitter app for Windows 10, JAWS manages to read the content of the twittes, although be it with some strange pauses between each word in them. But NVDA and Narrator don't Can you make NVDA read the twittes content? I can even now read the twitt content with NVDA, but I have to use object navigation to do it.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Andre Fisher
 

I have no problems with it. I love it!

On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




NVDA Curiosity

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


iTunes V 12.4.1

Lino Morales
 

Well kids lists of songs do read with NVDA in the updated iTunes 12.4.1. I was also able to read the items in the playlist for Apple misc I still in the process of creating.


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Arlene observed, "Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug."

Yep, because the number of variables that come into play to make certain bugs exhibit themselves are mind boggling (which is often why the software maker cannot replicate an issue even if they try to do so in what should be "the same environment" as it was encountered in by the user).

We have folks with various versions of Windows, all sorts of different hardware, all sorts of assistive technology beyond NVDA potentially installed, all sorts of programs in general besides NVDA installed, and the list goes on.  Each and every one of those things has the potential to set things up *juuuuuust right* for you, and only you (or a very small number of people who have the same combination as you), to encounter a given bug.

I often think it's a bit of a miracle that most software functions at all given the number of variables at play that the developers have no control over and may have never even had a reason to conceive of.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

Arlene
 

Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug.  I had beta tested Jaws 5.0 and there were some bugs I did find. Some others did not find.  Or vice versa.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June-03-16 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



iTunes 12.4.1

Lino Morales
 

Glad you let us know there was an update. I'm downloading it now.

On 6/3/2016 10:05 AM, Chris wrote:
I hope so , who is going to be brave to try it first :D

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Turner
Sent: 03 June 2016 14:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes?

If so, does everything work again?






Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
To be fair, how many people tested the RC before NVDA 2016.2 came out? I know that this is the first RC I've tested. If we as a group do not test the RC and note any bugs that occur, then those bugs will show up in the next version of NVDA because the developers are unaware of them.
Chris


Re: Weird issue

Andre Fisher
 

Maybe the site's layout was changed, don't you think?

On 6/3/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it

shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size

color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and
such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't
think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the

page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and

also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader

to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted

on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be

worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go
to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I
noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it
exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check
in order to fix it?










Re: Subject lines, was, Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Lino Morales
 

I agree with you Brian. I've been on way too many email lists over the past 13 years or so.


On 6/2/2016 9:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

        I agree with you, absolutely, but I also have tired of hearing this lecture, repeatedly, on the various groups because it doesn't change anything.  I have to believe that moderators on groups.io have the same capability that moderators on most forums do and can split threads, move various posts to the threads they've just created by the split, and retitle those new threads.

        Please, please, please start asking moderators to do this, because that does create value for future searchers and gets the point across when a certain someone or someones suddenly find their tangents, which are often valuable in their own right, suddenly in new and appropriately titled threads, preferably with a note that it was necessary to split it because it broke topic continuity.

        The lectures do not and will not work.  I've been around this block way too many times to say anything otherwise.  If you have these powers please use them; if you don't then please ask for them.

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Re: Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Lino Morales
 

Well I'd take this up with with either James Teh or Michael Kerrun. They put out the updates/releases.


On 6/2/2016 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I disagree that there's no point in announcing it because it would save quite a few people from doing unnecessary downloads and installs.

However, if it's not announced, is there somewhere that one can look to determine that for oneself?  This was the second option and one I'd exercise if I knew where I could look on a consistent basis.


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Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

What problem are you referring to. To the best of my knoledge, everything is working fine for me.
Chris


Re: Weird issue

Danni
 

No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check in order to fix it?





Re: iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Chris
 

I hope so , who is going to be brave to try it first :D

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Turner
Sent: 03 June 2016 14:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes?

If so, does everything work again?


Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
There are already a couple of check boxes in Browse settings which determine if automatic focus mode is invoked for focus changes and caret movement.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: 03 June 2016 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

hi.
today i downloaded version 2016.2 of nvda and faced this problem too!
i mean that edit box filds automatic dont work for me.
when i want to write a message i should press nvda space to activate focus mode and after completing my message i should press these keys again to nvda goes to brows mode and i can navigate in my web page easily.
the problem is automatic turn on an turn off the brows and focus mode of nvda.
i think the best way is to add one setting to select whether its automatic or manual.
thanks for your help.

On 6/3/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hi I am not having that problem at all. Every thing is working very
well for me.


On 6/2/2016 7:54 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Let us know what your thoughts are so one of us can forward this to
the developers (or if you are a member of the nvda-devel list, I'd
like to request help in shuttling emails back and forth). Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: James Teh [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:50 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not
working

This suggests NVDA is unable to inject itself into the browser. There
are a few possibilities here:
1. NVDA's dll files didn't get updated properly for some reason. This
would also affect a portable copy if that portable copy was generated
from the installed copy. However, if the portable copy was created
from a download directly, that probably isn't the issue.
2. Something is blocking NVDA's dll files on that system; e.g. a
virus scanner.
3. If NVDA is started while a browser is focused, it sometimes cannot
inject. Does the issue persist if the user opens the browser *after*
opening NVDA?

Jamie

On 3/06/2016 8:02 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I don't follow as to what's going on in the below log. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ethan
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

Hello all:

I was not sure where to post this so I apologize if this is off topic.

When I am using NVDA on the web in Firefox or Internet Explorer, it
does
not read the page content. I am able to press tab to move through the
elements on the page, but when I press up or down arrow, nothing happens.
It
is acting as if it is in browse mode and I am unable to exit out of
browse mode. No audible tones are heard to indicate entering or exit
of browse mode.
Ever since NVDA 2015.4 or NVDA 2016.1, I have been unable to use the
latest version of NVDA on my work computer. Instead, I am using NVDA
2015.3.
This problem appears to happen both on a portable copy and an
installed copy which makes me think it has to do something with
dependent software that needs to be updated on the individual
computer. Here is my log viewer on debug mode at the error point:
WindowsError: [Error 1702] The binding handle is invalid

// Start of log:
INFO - __main__ (16:15:53):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (16:15:53):
Config dir: E:\NVDA 2016.2\userConfig DEBUG - core.main (16:15:53):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (16:15:53):
NVDA version 2016.2
INFO - core.main (16:15:53):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO -
core.main
(16:15:53):
Using Python version 2.7.11 (v2.7.11:6d1b6a68f775, Dec 5 2015,
20:32:19) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (16:15:53):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:53):
Initializing addons system.
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (16:15:53):
Listing add-ons from E:\NVDA 2016.2\userConfig\addons DEBUG -
core.main
(16:15:54):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
Loading speech dictionary '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing speech
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (16:15:54):
Using eSpeak version 1.48.15 16.Apr.15 DEBUG -
speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
Loading speech dictionary
'.\userConfig\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (16:15:54):
file '.\userConfig\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic' not found.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (16:15:54):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (16:15:54):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic) DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (16:15:54):
Using liblouis version 2.6.5
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (16:15:54):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (16:15:54):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
initializing Java Access Bridge support DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing UIA support
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (16:15:54):
No locale gesture map for language en DEBUGWARNING -
inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (16:15:54):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (16:15:54):
Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (16:15:54):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (16:15:54):
entering wx application main loop
IO - speech.speak (16:15:55):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Google - Mozilla Firefox
icon
2
of 3'] IO - speech.speak (16:15:55):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Google - Mozilla Firefox']
DEBUG
- treeInterceptorHandler.update (16:15:55):
Adding new treeInterceptor to runningTable:
<virtualBuffers.gecko_ia2.Gecko_ia2 object at 0x059ACDF0> ERROR -
virtualBuffers.Gecko_ia2._loadBuffer (16:15:55):
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyo", line 369, in _loadBuffer
WindowsError: [Error 1702] The binding handle is invalid

Thank you for any information you can provide,

Ethan




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iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Matt Turner
 

Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes?

If so, does everything work again?


Re: Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Andre Fisher
 

I agree with Bhavya. That's a better route in the long run, rather
than reverting to an older version of NVDA, which does not provide the
best functionality. I would also like more persons to test out NVDA,
even the snapshots or RCs, just to ensure that more bugs are fixed.

On 6/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
You may want to file an issue on the NVDA Github issue tracker asking
for a configuration option to toggle the time selection information is
spoken, i.e. before the text or after.
User feedback compelled the 'selected' and vice versa to succeed the
text, but if you desire otherwise, customizability would be great.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
That is not an eSpeak issue, nor an NVDA issue. Most screen reader
voices like eSpeak and Eloquence say out the colon when joined
together without a space. (about:blank)

On 6/3/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi thanks so much for your report.
i read it and it was great and useful.
i think its not only for persian language.
for example: i changed the language to english-US and when i opened my
firefox, nvda said about colon blank.
i think this is a bug due to the updating of espeak version to espeak
ng.
the developers of espeak were change and it decreased the quality of
program.
if there is no way to set nvda to first selected or unselected and
then announces the selection, i stick to the previous versions for
always.
because its very important for me to hear first selected and then its
content.
because sometimes i change my selection and if i want to know for
example i should read one paragraph and then i realise that is it
selected or not!

On 6/3/16, Mohammadreza Rashad <mohammadreza5712@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I reported the issue which Nasrin mentioned, (punctuation problem) on
GitHub, numbered 6037:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6037
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza

۱۳۹۵-۰۳-۱۴ ۱۳:۵۰ +۰۴:۳۰ گرینویچ, Joseph Lee
<@joslee>:
Hi,
If you are coming from 2015.2 or earlier, you may have noticed
punctuation
announcement changes. This was due to math supported added in 2015
series.
Also, "selected" announcement was changed a few versions back (2015
series).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep,
grammar
error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between
#NVAccess #Release

hi joseph and every one.
thanks so much for great project.
i downloaded the new version today and i faced some problem using it?
could you please help me to find a solution?
first of all, i set my nvda not say any punctuation, but unfortunately
did
not work completely in this new version and nvda announces some
punctuation
like ) in all cases and : and ? in some cases.
it happen even when i want to navigate in the local disks of my
computer.
after all of them nvda says )
second, the american accent is a little robatic in compare to the
previous
version of espeak.
and third, i did not test previous versions.
but how can i return nvda to says selected or unselected and then
announces
whats the selection?
this rool changed since version 2015.4 and now i tested, because i
mentioned
i did not test the previous versions and for this reason, the best
version
for me is version 2015.2 or 2015.3 i appreciate your help and guide.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 6/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I too originally considered an oddity and thus a bug. The trick here
is to ensure that 'report spelling errors' in Document Formatting
Settings dialog is checked first, because only then will the spelling
error buzzer playing option will appear in the Keyboard Settings
dialog.
I am going to submit an issue at some point of time expressing the
confusion being caused by this dependence that the buzzer sound
playing option on the spelling error reporting option. In my opinion,
folks like me would be happy with just a real-time typeo beep rather
than having a verbal announcement all the time too.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Dang Manh Cuong <@cuongdang> wrote:
Hi Joseph and all
I updated NVDA 2016.2, and I didn't see the options for detect
spelling error in keyboard preferences. I saw this bug in the RC 1,
but forgot to report. In rc1, this bug din't occur with the portable
version.
Cuong
---------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org

Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: @cuongdang; cuong@... Yahoo! ID:
manhcuong0312 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep,
grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything
in
between #NVAccess #Release


Hi everyone,



Yes, it is finally here: NVDA 2016.2, introducing spelling error
beep, grammar error detection and more are now available. More info
can be found on the nV Access post here:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2-released/



Enjoy NVDA 2016.2.

Cheers,

Joseph (now one of the members of this list)



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written
down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them good
and
forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes
unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and
the
shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who believe in him
and
honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down
with
him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org










--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




Re: Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Nasrin,
You may want to file an issue on the NVDA Github issue tracker asking
for a configuration option to toggle the time selection information is
spoken, i.e. before the text or after.
User feedback compelled the 'selected' and vice versa to succeed the
text, but if you desire otherwise, customizability would be great.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
That is not an eSpeak issue, nor an NVDA issue. Most screen reader
voices like eSpeak and Eloquence say out the colon when joined
together without a space. (about:blank)

On 6/3/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi thanks so much for your report.
i read it and it was great and useful.
i think its not only for persian language.
for example: i changed the language to english-US and when i opened my
firefox, nvda said about colon blank.
i think this is a bug due to the updating of espeak version to espeak ng.
the developers of espeak were change and it decreased the quality of
program.
if there is no way to set nvda to first selected or unselected and
then announces the selection, i stick to the previous versions for
always.
because its very important for me to hear first selected and then its
content.
because sometimes i change my selection and if i want to know for
example i should read one paragraph and then i realise that is it
selected or not!

On 6/3/16, Mohammadreza Rashad <mohammadreza5712@...> wrote:
Hello all.
I reported the issue which Nasrin mentioned, (punctuation problem) on
GitHub, numbered 6037:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6037
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza

۱۳۹۵-۰۳-۱۴ ۱۳:۵۰ +۰۴:۳۰ گرینویچ, Joseph Lee <@joslee>:
Hi,
If you are coming from 2015.2 or earlier, you may have noticed
punctuation
announcement changes. This was due to math supported added in 2015
series.
Also, "selected" announcement was changed a few versions back (2015
series).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep,
grammar
error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between
#NVAccess #Release

hi joseph and every one.
thanks so much for great project.
i downloaded the new version today and i faced some problem using it?
could you please help me to find a solution?
first of all, i set my nvda not say any punctuation, but unfortunately
did
not work completely in this new version and nvda announces some
punctuation
like ) in all cases and : and ? in some cases.
it happen even when i want to navigate in the local disks of my
computer.
after all of them nvda says )
second, the american accent is a little robatic in compare to the
previous
version of espeak.
and third, i did not test previous versions.
but how can i return nvda to says selected or unselected and then
announces
whats the selection?
this rool changed since version 2015.4 and now i tested, because i
mentioned
i did not test the previous versions and for this reason, the best
version
for me is version 2015.2 or 2015.3 i appreciate your help and guide.
thanks so much and god bless you.

On 6/3/16, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I too originally considered an oddity and thus a bug. The trick here
is to ensure that 'report spelling errors' in Document Formatting
Settings dialog is checked first, because only then will the spelling
error buzzer playing option will appear in the Keyboard Settings
dialog.
I am going to submit an issue at some point of time expressing the
confusion being caused by this dependence that the buzzer sound
playing option on the spelling error reporting option. In my opinion,
folks like me would be happy with just a real-time typeo beep rather
than having a verbal announcement all the time too.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Dang Manh Cuong <@cuongdang> wrote:
Hi Joseph and all
I updated NVDA 2016.2, and I didn't see the options for detect
spelling error in keyboard preferences. I saw this bug in the RC 1,
but forgot to report. In rc1, this bug din't occur with the portable
version.
Cuong
---------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org

Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: @cuongdang; cuong@... Yahoo! ID:
manhcuong0312 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep,
grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in
between #NVAccess #Release


Hi everyone,



Yes, it is finally here: NVDA 2016.2, introducing spelling error
beep, grammar error detection and more are now available. More info
can be found on the nV Access post here:

http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-2-released/



Enjoy NVDA 2016.2.

Cheers,

Joseph (now one of the members of this list)



--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen
reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google
Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me
through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09




--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written
down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them good and
forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things and makes
unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their burden and
the
shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who believe in him and
honor him and help him, and follow the light which has been sent down
with
him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org










--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

Ethan
 

Joseph:

Thank you for the reply. I have tried as suggested and to open Firefox
or Internet Explorer after launching NVDA and the problem still
persists. I have reinstalled this copy of NVDA 2016.2 from the
internet downloaded file and the problem persists. I will check with
my IT department to see if one of the DLL's are being blocked by an
antivirus for some reason. Do you know of which DLL's may be causing
the problem? Using NVDA 2015.3 there are no problems. I understand
that this might be an isolated situation and appreciate your help.

Thank you,

Ethan